The Right To Destroy Jewish History

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So what? How does it make Arabs, especially the now named Palestinians, indigenous to the land of Canaan, and the Jews invaders, occupiers of their land?

90% of Palestinians are descended from 1st century Jewish farmers according to Ben Gurion, Slomo Sands and Israel Finklestein.
BS. Show me the link.

You continue to be non existent about links to any and all allegations you continue to copy and paste from conspiracy theory sites.
 
Sixties Fan
Roudy

The Canaanites mostly lived in the plains (the coastal strip and near the Jordan).

The Amorites lived in the hill country. Other tribes lived in Canaan: The Perizzites, Hivites, Hittites, Jebusites, Moabites, Edomites, Philistines and Girgashites.
Map of the Canaanites (Bible History Online)
www.bible-history.com/maps/canaanite_nations.html
www.bible-history.com/maps/canaanite_nations.html
And there were no Arabs.

Sure there were, Joseph's brothers sold him to Arab traders. Both Abraham and Moses had Arab wives. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria about 700 BC and Ezra writes about Arabs in Jerusalem when they returned from Babylon.

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And please do give a link where it says that Ezra met Arabs on the return to rebuild Jerusalem. I want a link to it.

Read the Book of Ezra.

The Jewish ban on intermarriage has become a curse ...
Jan 01, 2016 · Ezra the Scribe is the person who banned intermarriage between the Jews who had returned from Babylon to the Land of Israel and the other nations already living here. He not only declared this prohibition but also forcibly broke up many mixed marriages that he discovered when he returned to Jerusalem from Persia.


GESHEM
ge'-shem (geshem, gashmu; Gesam, "rain storm"): An Arabian, probably chief of an Arabian tribe that had either settled in Southern Palestine during the exile in Babylon, or had been settled in or near Samaria by Sargon (Nehemiah 2:19; Nehemiah 6:1, 2, 6). He was a confederate of Sanballat and Tobiah, and strenuously opposed the building of the wall under Nehemiah. He with the others mocked at the first efforts to build the wall, and afterward repeatedly sought to entice Nehemiah to the plains of Ono. The name also occurs in the form Gashmu, perhaps an Assyrian form of the same name Geshem.
 
So what? How does it make Arabs, especially the now named Palestinians, indigenous to the land of Canaan, and the Jews invaders, occupiers of their land?

90% of Palestinians are descended from 1st century Jewish farmers according to Ben Gurion, Slomo Sands and Israel Finklestein.
BS. Show me the link.

You continue to be non existent about links to any and all allegations you continue to copy and paste from conspiracy theory sites.

NONE are connspiracy sites.
 
Sixties Fan
Roudy

The Canaanites mostly lived in the plains (the coastal strip and near the Jordan).

The Amorites lived in the hill country. Other tribes lived in Canaan: The Perizzites, Hivites, Hittites, Jebusites, Moabites, Edomites, Philistines and Girgashites.
Map of the Canaanites (Bible History Online)
www.bible-history.com/maps/canaanite_nations.html
www.bible-history.com/maps/canaanite_nations.html
And there were no Arabs.

Sure there were, Joseph's brothers sold him to Arab traders. Both Abraham and Moses had Arab wives. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria about 700 BC and Ezra writes about Arabs in Jerusalem when they returned from Babylon.

OIP.7RnVeawZRaLD7Wb00PAedwHaKW
And please do give a link where it says that Ezra met Arabs on the return to rebuild Jerusalem. I want a link to it.

Read the Book of Ezra.

The Jewish ban on intermarriage has become a curse ...
Jan 01, 2016 · Ezra the Scribe is the person who banned intermarriage between the Jews who had returned from Babylon to the Land of Israel and the other nations already living here. He not only declared this prohibition but also forcibly broke up many mixed marriages that he discovered when he returned to Jerusalem from Persia.


GESHEM
ge'-shem (geshem, gashmu; Gesam, "rain storm"): An Arabian, probably chief of an Arabian tribe that had either settled in Southern Palestine during the exile in Babylon, or had been settled in or near Samaria by Sargon (Nehemiah 2:19; Nehemiah 6:1, 2, 6). He was a confederate of Sanballat and Tobiah, and strenuously opposed the building of the wall under Nehemiah. He with the others mocked at the first efforts to build the wall, and afterward repeatedly sought to entice Nehemiah to the plains of Ono. The name also occurs in the form Gashmu, perhaps an Assyrian form of the same name Geshem.
A couple of Arabian tribes living on the land, does not an indigenous people to the land make.

I will repeat again, the Arabs are indigenous of Arabia. The fact that a few Arab tribes were living in Israel , Judea before the Muslim invasion, does not give them the indigenous Status you insist on giving them.

Geshem the Arabian (or Geshem the Arab; Hebrew: גֶשֶׁם הָעַרְבִי) is the only Arab person mentioned in the Hebrew Bible.[1]He was an ally of Sanballat and Tobiah and adversary of Nehemiah (Neh. 2:19, 6:1). In Neh. 6:6 he is called "Gashmu," which is probably more correct, as an Arab tribe named "Gushamu" is known (Cook, "Aramaic Glossary," s.v. גשמו). When Nehemiah proceeded to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem, the Samaritans and the Arabs made efforts to hinder him. Geshem or Gashmu, who probably was the chief of the Arabs, joined the Samaritans and accused Nehemiah of conspiracy against the Persian king.



Then, like now, the Arabs seemed to be enemies of Israel.
 
So what? How does it make Arabs, especially the now named Palestinians, indigenous to the land of Canaan, and the Jews invaders, occupiers of their land?

90% of Palestinians are descended from 1st century Jewish farmers according to Ben Gurion, Slomo Sands and Israel Finklestein.
BS. Show me the link.

You continue to be non existent about links to any and all allegations you continue to copy and paste from conspiracy theory sites.

NONE are connspiracy sites.
And again, you have given no link to your sources.
 
Sixties Fan
Roudy

The Canaanites mostly lived in the plains (the coastal strip and near the Jordan).

The Amorites lived in the hill country. Other tribes lived in Canaan: The Perizzites, Hivites, Hittites, Jebusites, Moabites, Edomites, Philistines and Girgashites.
Map of the Canaanites (Bible History Online)
www.bible-history.com/maps/canaanite_nations.html
www.bible-history.com/maps/canaanite_nations.html
And there were no Arabs.

Sure there were, Joseph's brothers sold him to Arab traders. Both Abraham and Moses had Arab wives. Sargon 2 settled 4 Arab tribes in Samaria about 700 BC and Ezra writes about Arabs in Jerusalem when they returned from Babylon.

OIP.7RnVeawZRaLD7Wb00PAedwHaKW
And please do give a link where it says that Ezra met Arabs on the return to rebuild Jerusalem. I want a link to it.

Read the Book of Ezra.

The Jewish ban on intermarriage has become a curse ...
Jan 01, 2016 · Ezra the Scribe is the person who banned intermarriage between the Jews who had returned from Babylon to the Land of Israel and the other nations already living here. He not only declared this prohibition but also forcibly broke up many mixed marriages that he discovered when he returned to Jerusalem from Persia.


GESHEM
ge'-shem (geshem, gashmu; Gesam, "rain storm"): An Arabian, probably chief of an Arabian tribe that had either settled in Southern Palestine during the exile in Babylon, or had been settled in or near Samaria by Sargon (Nehemiah 2:19; Nehemiah 6:1, 2, 6). He was a confederate of Sanballat and Tobiah, and strenuously opposed the building of the wall under Nehemiah. He with the others mocked at the first efforts to build the wall, and afterward repeatedly sought to entice Nehemiah to the plains of Ono. The name also occurs in the form Gashmu, perhaps an Assyrian form of the same name Geshem.
Haaretz is a newspaper which is against the existence of Israel. Choose your sources more wisely.
And that portion you posted says nothing about Arabs in Jerusalem, which is what you were talking about.
 
Sixties Fan
Roudy

The Canaanites mostly lived in the plains (the coastal strip and near the Jordan).

The Amorites lived in the hill country. Other tribes lived in Canaan: The Perizzites, Hivites, Hittites, Jebusites, Moabites, Edomites, Philistines and Girgashites.
Map of the Canaanites (Bible History Online)
www.bible-history.com/maps/canaanite_nations.html
www.bible-history.com/maps/canaanite_nations.html
All of which have nothing to do with today's Arabs. There is not a single land that Arabs don't currently occupy that wasn't conquered via invasions, looting, pillaging and raping.
 
I was not going to start a new thread on the forums, but this one seems to be a must.

I know that there are many well meaning people on these threads who want to see an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, like Coyote and many others. And then, there are those who are very ill meaning and do nothing but bash Israel and Jews over everything.

I believe that any and all, need to be reminded that this is Jewish land. It has been Jewish land for over 3000 years, and never contested by any one of its invaders and conquerors until the "dreadful day" when the Jews assumed that they could legally regain sovereignty over it and the Balfour Declaration happened and the Mandate for Palestine was to give the Jews their ancient homeland back.

We all know what has happened since 1920.

But what many do not know and do not seem to be aware of is what the people who have been calling themselves Palestinians since 1964 have been doing to ancient places they should have been claiming as their own, for after all, do they not say that they have been on the land as the Ancient Palestinians for the past 5000, no - 6000, no - 10000 years?

Aren't these ancient places and artifacts in Jerusalem and in Judea and Samaria part of the Palestinian History? Then why are they destroying any and all of it?

This is what has been going on for decades. Why are the "Palestinians" destroying their alleged history?

Palestinians destroying ancient Herodian and Hashmonean antiquities - literally bulldozing Jewish history ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

We've discussed the The Temple Mount Sifting Project before:
The Temple Mount Sifting Project (formerly known as the Temple Mount Salvage Operation) is an Israeli archaeological project begun in 2005 dedicated to recovering archaeological artifacts from 400 truckloads of topsoil removed from the Temple Mount by the Waqf during the construction of the underground el-Marwani Mosque from 1996 to 1999.[1] The project is under the academic auspices of Bar Ilan University and until 2017 was funded by the Ir David Foundation and Israel Exploration Society.The destruction of so many tons of property from the Temple Mount was the biggest archaeological crime in history.

The project webpage is now warning of other large-scale destruction of Jewish history by Palestinians, ISIS-style.
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In full view of people passing on the highway 90, Palestinians are using bulldozers and other heavy equipment to destroy Second Temple-era Jewish settlements in order to build a new village.

This is all happening in Area B, under Palestinian administrative control.

Moreover, it looks like Palestinian antiquities thieves are working in the area at night to steal whatever ancient artifacts they can find to sell on the market.

The article notes that similar destruction has recently begun in the area of the Hasmonean palaces in Jericho.
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Give Area C and the former Jewish Quarter and the Temple Mount to the invading Arabs who are now calling themselves the ancient inhabitants of the land, who should be protecting their ancient history and making tourism out of it?

Which one of you would dare do so?

Does the UN have any say on the Arabs destroying other people's ancient places?
Where has UNESCO been all of this time? What is their position about the endless destruction of Jewish History? Have they not complained about ISIS destroying antiquity?

Oh, wait......they have been giving Palestinian Status to Jewish places like the Cave of the Patriarchs and Rachel's Tomb, and many other places.

I guess if the UN is in on it, then there is no hope for the Jewish people to ever get their ancient lands back, much less be allowed to freely visit those places, which is true when it comes to the Cave and the Tombs, etc, where Jews can only visit if they have a military escort.

Questions:

How can peace be achieved with the PA, the alleged partner for Peace, when it is the PA itself which allows such destruction to happen?

How can peace be achieved when destroying Israel is still in the Hamas and PLO, and Fatah charters and is taught on a daily basis to all Arabs who live in Gaza and areas A and B, and C and even in Israel?

What in the world is going to be done about the endless destruction and the want to destroy all which is Jewish on the Land of Israel, which does include all of Judea and Samaria which is the land of the Jewish People.
(I will not eve speculate what may already have been done to Jewish history in Jordan and Gaza )

DO the Arabs have the right to destroy any and all Jewish History they find and never have to answer to the rest of the world, much less to the Jewish People?

Jews were never the sole inhabitants of Palestine. Arab tribes settled in Samaria in 700 BC. Jordan was never Jewish and Gaza belonged to the Philistines.
The philistines are an extinct people and they were Greek anyhow, not Arabs or Semitic.

They were living in the coastal region long before the Hebrews emerged from the North Coast Canaanites..

Bedouins have to have a relationship with settled communities to survive. Its symbiotic,. The Hebrews moved into the hill country because they had lost that and they needed the townies who provided grain, textiles and tools to the bedu in exchange for meat, hides, salt etc

Endless picking and choosing of parts of history in order to minimize the presence of the Israelites/Jews in the area.
Whether they were conquered, or became the conquerors, they were there, and the Arabs who are calling themselves Palestinians today......were not.

The Israelites/Jews had a history with the Philistines, first as conquered, then as conquerors. The Philistines (the word means Invaders) disappeared from the pages of history, the Israelites/Jews did not.

And the Jews continued to have a history with other peoples who came through the area and conquered it, be it the Greeks, the Assyrians, the Romans, the Byzantine, the Kurdish Muslims, or the Arab Muslims in the 7th Century. But the Jews were always there, in Judea, Israel, Gaza, TransJordan.

That history cannot be changed to make others give the invading Arab Muslims a right they do not have over ALL the land considered to be the Jewish Homeland.
The British gave the newly arrived Hashemite Arab tribe 78% of land they had no right to. It was part of the Mandate for Palestine, Israel, part of the Jewish Homeland. It is now Jordan.
I will not repeat the information given above.
The Mandate for Palestine, aka Israel, was sabotaged by the British and the Muslims, and the Jews ended up with a sliver of their homeland to build up their future state. Something which did not happen to the other three Mandates. Why? Because all the governments of Iraq, Lebanon and Syria were going to be Muslim.

Muslims cannot have any non Muslim be sovereign of any land once conquered by Muslims, which is why no Arabs ever complained when the Ottomans had control of the area for some 800 years, or the Hashemites took control of TransJordan in 1925, or later took control of Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967.
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The Philistines are referred to as the descendants of the Casluchim in Genesis 10:14 and Exodus 13:17. Known as a seafaring nation, the Philistines were a non-Semitic people who left Crete and arrived in Canaan at the beginning of the 12th century B.C.E. The Philistines inhabited the Mediterranean coast of Canaan during the period of the Book of Judges. They founded five principalities - Gaza, Asheklon, Ashdod, Ekron, and Gath.

Their highly-developed weapons brought a great threat to the Israelites. During the Exodus from Egypt, the Israelites purposely took a southern route to circumvent them. The Philistines often battled against the Israelites. The first King of Israel, Saul, temporarily weakened them. Later, a little-known shepherd by the name of David (later second King of Israel) defeated them after his battle with the large Philistine by the name of Goliath. The Philistines were reduced to mainly commercial ventures rather than military ventures. Throughout the Books of Kings, different Jewish leaders fought the nation until the Assyrians completely defeated them. The Philistines then assimilated into the surrounding cultures and ceased to exist as a separate nation.

The name Palestine originates from the Philistine inhabitance of the land of Judea. After the Romans conquered the region in the second century C.E., the Romans used the term Palestinia to refer to the region in an attempt to minimize Jewish attachment to the land. The Arabic use of the term Filastin is from this Latin root.


Arabs were in Palestine from the time of Abraham.. Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah. .. long before Islam. The Arabs didn't leave ..

Further, most Jews din't live in Palestine by the time of Christ.. They lived in Damascus, Aleppo, Alexandria, Persia, Elephantine Island, Rome and all around the Mediterrean.

The Jewish people do not have a unique claim to Palestine.. Most arrived after1880 from Europe, Russia, Poland etc.

They have no right to take land that belonged to the indigneous people for 2000 years and force them out.
When posting anything, please give links to your sources.

What? The Bible? Even Ezra writes about Arabs in Jerusalem when they returned from the Babylonian exile. You question the Bible about the wives of Moses and Abraham? Or the history of Sargon 2 about the four Arab tribes he settled in Samaria in 738 BC?
I do question your sources, which is not the Bible, but some interpretation of it by who knows who.

In Genesis 21:1, we learn that Abraham remarried three years after the death of Sarah. Once his son Isaac was married off, Abraham, at age 140, married Keturah, who bore him six children.

But who exactly was Keturah and why did Abraham marry her? What pushed him to have six more children so late in life?

Rashi tells us that Keturah was one and the same as Hagar, whom Abraham had married more than 50 years prior (when he was 85 years of age), and who bore his firstborn, Ishmael.1



Hagar, or Keturah, was Egyptian, not Arab.

Abraham never was in Arabia, neither was Ishamel who also married an Egyptian, as some Muslim Arab folklore attempts to spread to its Muslim followers, or anyone else.

Do you actually believe Abraham was 140 years old.. Life expectancy was not long in the ME.. 75-80 was extreme old age.. Most men married before they were 20 and most girls before they were 16.

Jews have their folklore too.
Our folklore is our folklore. We respect other people's folklore and expect them to respect ours, instead of stealing most or all of it, and then telling us that what is our stories or history, really never was as it is written and understood by Jews for the past 3800 years.

But you are not here to respect anything about Jewish history and the Jewish people's rights to be sovereign over any part of their land. That is extremely clear from your never ending deflections to anything which is posed to you.

Whether you are Christian or Muslim, the lack of respect by both religions towards Judaism began at the foundation of either ideology, be it 2000 years ago, or 1300 years ago. Both were formed at the total disrespect, delegitimization and endless disregard for the truth, and each got started by the idea that either was superior to Judaism and therefore Jews should have followed either one, "Or Else".

You spill one debunkable idea after another, and never really answer points I or others have made. And never will.

Jews, Muslims and Christians lived side by side for more than a thousand years. . and the Arab Jews prospered.. You are are too keen to shift blame for the Holocaust on the Arabs, to justify what European Zionist have done.

Why do you think most Jews did not live in Palestine by the time of Christ?
Actually all Jews did live in Judeah during Jesus' Time. The diaspora began after that. Another completely ignorant comment.

Nope the diaspora began 500 years earlier.. Check your facts. Start with Elephantine Island in Egypt ad then go to Persia and Damascus, Alexandria and Aleppo.
The Diaspora started with the Babylonians taking the leaders of the Jews from Judea to Babylon and keeping them from returning.

Any other Jews who lived anywhere else outside of Judea, Israel, had migrated to those areas before and after that invasion, keeping their religion wherever they went at any other time.

The Messianic idea started with the Babylonian invasion and the taking of the leaders to Babylon. It was the beginning of the Diaspora.

All of the above is about a Jewish leader freeing the land of Israel/Judea from any invading people and restoring sovereignty over the land, and the Jewish people again being a free people and owner of their land and their own destiny.

As it is today.

According to this article this is when it began:

The Jewish diaspora began with the Assyrian captivity and continued on a much larger scale with the Babylonian captivity. Jews were also widespread throughout the Roman Empire, and this carried on to a lesser extent in the period of Byzantine rule in the central and eastern Mediterranean.


This is what happens when you get your info from IslamoNazi sources.

Zionism - The desire of a dispersed, scattered cultural group to return to an ancestral homeland after 2000 years of expulsion This is a motive. It's a desire. An objective.

Indigenous - Any and all culture groups that previously resided an area that is now under occupation and settlement by another culture group that has replaced, not integrated, culture / language etc. This is an adjective to describe a people or culture group.

Occupation - a condition whereby a culture group is being policed / controlled / governed by another culture group, but still as seperate culture groups. Not as an integrated whole with equal rights, opportunities and shared identity. "Us" governs and polices "them". By force. This is a condition. A state of being.

There is no free, democratic nation that can exist in permanent occupation, regardless of how noble or relatable or emotionally powerful the motivation.

There is no motivation that justifies permanent occupation. None. It's tyranny. It must end or maintain the injustice by force. Those are the only two options.

Having a noble motivation doesn't excuse stepping on the neck of a neighbour.
There is no occupation, and there has never been a Palestinian nation or people.
 
Sixties Fan
Roudy

The Canaanites mostly lived in the plains (the coastal strip and near the Jordan).

The Amorites lived in the hill country. Other tribes lived in Canaan: The Perizzites, Hivites, Hittites, Jebusites, Moabites, Edomites, Philistines and Girgashites.
Map of the Canaanites (Bible History Online)
www.bible-history.com/maps/canaanite_nations.html
www.bible-history.com/maps/canaanite_nations.html
All of which have nothing to do with today's Arabs. There is not a single land that Arabs don't currently occupy that wasn't conquered via invasions, looting, pillaging and raping.

Or today's Jews either.


 
I was not going to start a new thread on the forums, but this one seems to be a must.

I know that there are many well meaning people on these threads who want to see an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, like Coyote and many others. And then, there are those who are very ill meaning and do nothing but bash Israel and Jews over everything.

I believe that any and all, need to be reminded that this is Jewish land. It has been Jewish land for over 3000 years, and never contested by any one of its invaders and conquerors until the "dreadful day" when the Jews assumed that they could legally regain sovereignty over it and the Balfour Declaration happened and the Mandate for Palestine was to give the Jews their ancient homeland back.

We all know what has happened since 1920.

But what many do not know and do not seem to be aware of is what the people who have been calling themselves Palestinians since 1964 have been doing to ancient places they should have been claiming as their own, for after all, do they not say that they have been on the land as the Ancient Palestinians for the past 5000, no - 6000, no - 10000 years?

Aren't these ancient places and artifacts in Jerusalem and in Judea and Samaria part of the Palestinian History? Then why are they destroying any and all of it?

This is what has been going on for decades. Why are the "Palestinians" destroying their alleged history?

Palestinians destroying ancient Herodian and Hashmonean antiquities - literally bulldozing Jewish history ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

We've discussed the The Temple Mount Sifting Project before:
The Temple Mount Sifting Project (formerly known as the Temple Mount Salvage Operation) is an Israeli archaeological project begun in 2005 dedicated to recovering archaeological artifacts from 400 truckloads of topsoil removed from the Temple Mount by the Waqf during the construction of the underground el-Marwani Mosque from 1996 to 1999.[1] The project is under the academic auspices of Bar Ilan University and until 2017 was funded by the Ir David Foundation and Israel Exploration Society.The destruction of so many tons of property from the Temple Mount was the biggest archaeological crime in history.

The project webpage is now warning of other large-scale destruction of Jewish history by Palestinians, ISIS-style.
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In full view of people passing on the highway 90, Palestinians are using bulldozers and other heavy equipment to destroy Second Temple-era Jewish settlements in order to build a new village.

This is all happening in Area B, under Palestinian administrative control.

Moreover, it looks like Palestinian antiquities thieves are working in the area at night to steal whatever ancient artifacts they can find to sell on the market.

The article notes that similar destruction has recently begun in the area of the Hasmonean palaces in Jericho.
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Give Area C and the former Jewish Quarter and the Temple Mount to the invading Arabs who are now calling themselves the ancient inhabitants of the land, who should be protecting their ancient history and making tourism out of it?

Which one of you would dare do so?

Does the UN have any say on the Arabs destroying other people's ancient places?
Where has UNESCO been all of this time? What is their position about the endless destruction of Jewish History? Have they not complained about ISIS destroying antiquity?

Oh, wait......they have been giving Palestinian Status to Jewish places like the Cave of the Patriarchs and Rachel's Tomb, and many other places.

I guess if the UN is in on it, then there is no hope for the Jewish people to ever get their ancient lands back, much less be allowed to freely visit those places, which is true when it comes to the Cave and the Tombs, etc, where Jews can only visit if they have a military escort.

Questions:

How can peace be achieved with the PA, the alleged partner for Peace, when it is the PA itself which allows such destruction to happen?

How can peace be achieved when destroying Israel is still in the Hamas and PLO, and Fatah charters and is taught on a daily basis to all Arabs who live in Gaza and areas A and B, and C and even in Israel?

What in the world is going to be done about the endless destruction and the want to destroy all which is Jewish on the Land of Israel, which does include all of Judea and Samaria which is the land of the Jewish People.
(I will not eve speculate what may already have been done to Jewish history in Jordan and Gaza )

DO the Arabs have the right to destroy any and all Jewish History they find and never have to answer to the rest of the world, much less to the Jewish People?

Jews were never the sole inhabitants of Palestine. Arab tribes settled in Samaria in 700 BC. Jordan was never Jewish and Gaza belonged to the Philistines.
The philistines are an extinct people and they were Greek anyhow, not Arabs or Semitic.

They were living in the coastal region long before the Hebrews emerged from the North Coast Canaanites..

Bedouins have to have a relationship with settled communities to survive. Its symbiotic,. The Hebrews moved into the hill country because they had lost that and they needed the townies who provided grain, textiles and tools to the bedu in exchange for meat, hides, salt etc

Endless picking and choosing of parts of history in order to minimize the presence of the Israelites/Jews in the area.
Whether they were conquered, or became the conquerors, they were there, and the Arabs who are calling themselves Palestinians today......were not.

The Israelites/Jews had a history with the Philistines, first as conquered, then as conquerors. The Philistines (the word means Invaders) disappeared from the pages of history, the Israelites/Jews did not.

And the Jews continued to have a history with other peoples who came through the area and conquered it, be it the Greeks, the Assyrians, the Romans, the Byzantine, the Kurdish Muslims, or the Arab Muslims in the 7th Century. But the Jews were always there, in Judea, Israel, Gaza, TransJordan.

That history cannot be changed to make others give the invading Arab Muslims a right they do not have over ALL the land considered to be the Jewish Homeland.
The British gave the newly arrived Hashemite Arab tribe 78% of land they had no right to. It was part of the Mandate for Palestine, Israel, part of the Jewish Homeland. It is now Jordan.
I will not repeat the information given above.
The Mandate for Palestine, aka Israel, was sabotaged by the British and the Muslims, and the Jews ended up with a sliver of their homeland to build up their future state. Something which did not happen to the other three Mandates. Why? Because all the governments of Iraq, Lebanon and Syria were going to be Muslim.

Muslims cannot have any non Muslim be sovereign of any land once conquered by Muslims, which is why no Arabs ever complained when the Ottomans had control of the area for some 800 years, or the Hashemites took control of TransJordan in 1925, or later took control of Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967.
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The Philistines are referred to as the descendants of the Casluchim in Genesis 10:14 and Exodus 13:17. Known as a seafaring nation, the Philistines were a non-Semitic people who left Crete and arrived in Canaan at the beginning of the 12th century B.C.E. The Philistines inhabited the Mediterranean coast of Canaan during the period of the Book of Judges. They founded five principalities - Gaza, Asheklon, Ashdod, Ekron, and Gath.

Their highly-developed weapons brought a great threat to the Israelites. During the Exodus from Egypt, the Israelites purposely took a southern route to circumvent them. The Philistines often battled against the Israelites. The first King of Israel, Saul, temporarily weakened them. Later, a little-known shepherd by the name of David (later second King of Israel) defeated them after his battle with the large Philistine by the name of Goliath. The Philistines were reduced to mainly commercial ventures rather than military ventures. Throughout the Books of Kings, different Jewish leaders fought the nation until the Assyrians completely defeated them. The Philistines then assimilated into the surrounding cultures and ceased to exist as a separate nation.

The name Palestine originates from the Philistine inhabitance of the land of Judea. After the Romans conquered the region in the second century C.E., the Romans used the term Palestinia to refer to the region in an attempt to minimize Jewish attachment to the land. The Arabic use of the term Filastin is from this Latin root.


Arabs were in Palestine from the time of Abraham.. Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah. .. long before Islam. The Arabs didn't leave ..

Further, most Jews din't live in Palestine by the time of Christ.. They lived in Damascus, Aleppo, Alexandria, Persia, Elephantine Island, Rome and all around the Mediterrean.

The Jewish people do not have a unique claim to Palestine.. Most arrived after1880 from Europe, Russia, Poland etc.

They have no right to take land that belonged to the indigneous people for 2000 years and force them out.
When posting anything, please give links to your sources.

What? The Bible? Even Ezra writes about Arabs in Jerusalem when they returned from the Babylonian exile. You question the Bible about the wives of Moses and Abraham? Or the history of Sargon 2 about the four Arab tribes he settled in Samaria in 738 BC?
I do question your sources, which is not the Bible, but some interpretation of it by who knows who.

In Genesis 21:1, we learn that Abraham remarried three years after the death of Sarah. Once his son Isaac was married off, Abraham, at age 140, married Keturah, who bore him six children.

But who exactly was Keturah and why did Abraham marry her? What pushed him to have six more children so late in life?

Rashi tells us that Keturah was one and the same as Hagar, whom Abraham had married more than 50 years prior (when he was 85 years of age), and who bore his firstborn, Ishmael.1



Hagar, or Keturah, was Egyptian, not Arab.

Abraham never was in Arabia, neither was Ishamel who also married an Egyptian, as some Muslim Arab folklore attempts to spread to its Muslim followers, or anyone else.

Do you actually believe Abraham was 140 years old.. Life expectancy was not long in the ME.. 75-80 was extreme old age.. Most men married before they were 20 and most girls before they were 16.

Jews have their folklore too.
Our folklore is our folklore. We respect other people's folklore and expect them to respect ours, instead of stealing most or all of it, and then telling us that what is our stories or history, really never was as it is written and understood by Jews for the past 3800 years.

But you are not here to respect anything about Jewish history and the Jewish people's rights to be sovereign over any part of their land. That is extremely clear from your never ending deflections to anything which is posed to you.

Whether you are Christian or Muslim, the lack of respect by both religions towards Judaism began at the foundation of either ideology, be it 2000 years ago, or 1300 years ago. Both were formed at the total disrespect, delegitimization and endless disregard for the truth, and each got started by the idea that either was superior to Judaism and therefore Jews should have followed either one, "Or Else".

You spill one debunkable idea after another, and never really answer points I or others have made. And never will.

Jews, Muslims and Christians lived side by side for more than a thousand years. . and the Arab Jews prospered.. You are are too keen to shift blame for the Holocaust on the Arabs, to justify what European Zionist have done.

Why do you think most Jews did not live in Palestine by the time of Christ?
Actually all Jews did live in Judeah during Jesus' Time. The diaspora began after that. Another completely ignorant comment.

Nope the diaspora began 500 years earlier.. Check your facts. Start with Elephantine Island in Egypt ad then go to Persia and Damascus, Alexandria and Aleppo.
The Diaspora started with the Babylonians taking the leaders of the Jews from Judea to Babylon and keeping them from returning.

Any other Jews who lived anywhere else outside of Judea, Israel, had migrated to those areas before and after that invasion, keeping their religion wherever they went at any other time.

The Messianic idea started with the Babylonian invasion and the taking of the leaders to Babylon. It was the beginning of the Diaspora.

All of the above is about a Jewish leader freeing the land of Israel/Judea from any invading people and restoring sovereignty over the land, and the Jewish people again being a free people and owner of their land and their own destiny.

As it is today.

According to this article this is when it began:

The Jewish diaspora began with the Assyrian captivity and continued on a much larger scale with the Babylonian captivity. Jews were also widespread throughout the Roman Empire, and this carried on to a lesser extent in the period of Byzantine rule in the central and eastern Mediterranean.


This is what happens when you get your info from IslamoNazi sources.

Zionism - The desire of a dispersed, scattered cultural group to return to an ancestral homeland after 2000 years of expulsion This is a motive. It's a desire. An objective.

Indigenous - Any and all culture groups that previously resided an area that is now under occupation and settlement by another culture group that has replaced, not integrated, culture / language etc. This is an adjective to describe a people or culture group.

Occupation - a condition whereby a culture group is being policed / controlled / governed by another culture group, but still as seperate culture groups. Not as an integrated whole with equal rights, opportunities and shared identity. "Us" governs and polices "them". By force. This is a condition. A state of being.

There is no free, democratic nation that can exist in permanent occupation, regardless of how noble or relatable or emotionally powerful the motivation.

There is no motivation that justifies permanent occupation. None. It's tyranny. It must end or maintain the injustice by force. Those are the only two options.

Having a noble motivation doesn't excuse stepping on the neck of a neighbour.
There is no occupation, and there has never been a Palestinian nation or people.

There was no Germany or Italy until 1850 either.
 
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Roudy

The Canaanites mostly lived in the plains (the coastal strip and near the Jordan).

The Amorites lived in the hill country. Other tribes lived in Canaan: The Perizzites, Hivites, Hittites, Jebusites, Moabites, Edomites, Philistines and Girgashites.
Map of the Canaanites (Bible History Online)
www.bible-history.com/maps/canaanite_nations.html
www.bible-history.com/maps/canaanite_nations.html
All of which have nothing to do with today's Arabs. There is not a single land that Arabs don't currently occupy that wasn't conquered via invasions, looting, pillaging and raping.

Or today's Jews either.


Jews have not invaded a single land. It's the Arabs that started doing it when Mohammad appeared on the scene. Today's Jews are in their ancestral, religious homeland. Israel is not going anywhere. Deal with it. Palestinians are invaders and squatters from Egypt, Jordan and other Arab lands.
 
I was not going to start a new thread on the forums, but this one seems to be a must.

I know that there are many well meaning people on these threads who want to see an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, like Coyote and many others. And then, there are those who are very ill meaning and do nothing but bash Israel and Jews over everything.

I believe that any and all, need to be reminded that this is Jewish land. It has been Jewish land for over 3000 years, and never contested by any one of its invaders and conquerors until the "dreadful day" when the Jews assumed that they could legally regain sovereignty over it and the Balfour Declaration happened and the Mandate for Palestine was to give the Jews their ancient homeland back.

We all know what has happened since 1920.

But what many do not know and do not seem to be aware of is what the people who have been calling themselves Palestinians since 1964 have been doing to ancient places they should have been claiming as their own, for after all, do they not say that they have been on the land as the Ancient Palestinians for the past 5000, no - 6000, no - 10000 years?

Aren't these ancient places and artifacts in Jerusalem and in Judea and Samaria part of the Palestinian History? Then why are they destroying any and all of it?

This is what has been going on for decades. Why are the "Palestinians" destroying their alleged history?

Palestinians destroying ancient Herodian and Hashmonean antiquities - literally bulldozing Jewish history ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

We've discussed the The Temple Mount Sifting Project before:
The Temple Mount Sifting Project (formerly known as the Temple Mount Salvage Operation) is an Israeli archaeological project begun in 2005 dedicated to recovering archaeological artifacts from 400 truckloads of topsoil removed from the Temple Mount by the Waqf during the construction of the underground el-Marwani Mosque from 1996 to 1999.[1] The project is under the academic auspices of Bar Ilan University and until 2017 was funded by the Ir David Foundation and Israel Exploration Society.The destruction of so many tons of property from the Temple Mount was the biggest archaeological crime in history.

The project webpage is now warning of other large-scale destruction of Jewish history by Palestinians, ISIS-style.
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In full view of people passing on the highway 90, Palestinians are using bulldozers and other heavy equipment to destroy Second Temple-era Jewish settlements in order to build a new village.

This is all happening in Area B, under Palestinian administrative control.

Moreover, it looks like Palestinian antiquities thieves are working in the area at night to steal whatever ancient artifacts they can find to sell on the market.

The article notes that similar destruction has recently begun in the area of the Hasmonean palaces in Jericho.
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Give Area C and the former Jewish Quarter and the Temple Mount to the invading Arabs who are now calling themselves the ancient inhabitants of the land, who should be protecting their ancient history and making tourism out of it?

Which one of you would dare do so?

Does the UN have any say on the Arabs destroying other people's ancient places?
Where has UNESCO been all of this time? What is their position about the endless destruction of Jewish History? Have they not complained about ISIS destroying antiquity?

Oh, wait......they have been giving Palestinian Status to Jewish places like the Cave of the Patriarchs and Rachel's Tomb, and many other places.

I guess if the UN is in on it, then there is no hope for the Jewish people to ever get their ancient lands back, much less be allowed to freely visit those places, which is true when it comes to the Cave and the Tombs, etc, where Jews can only visit if they have a military escort.

Questions:

How can peace be achieved with the PA, the alleged partner for Peace, when it is the PA itself which allows such destruction to happen?

How can peace be achieved when destroying Israel is still in the Hamas and PLO, and Fatah charters and is taught on a daily basis to all Arabs who live in Gaza and areas A and B, and C and even in Israel?

What in the world is going to be done about the endless destruction and the want to destroy all which is Jewish on the Land of Israel, which does include all of Judea and Samaria which is the land of the Jewish People.
(I will not eve speculate what may already have been done to Jewish history in Jordan and Gaza )

DO the Arabs have the right to destroy any and all Jewish History they find and never have to answer to the rest of the world, much less to the Jewish People?

Jews were never the sole inhabitants of Palestine. Arab tribes settled in Samaria in 700 BC. Jordan was never Jewish and Gaza belonged to the Philistines.
The philistines are an extinct people and they were Greek anyhow, not Arabs or Semitic.

They were living in the coastal region long before the Hebrews emerged from the North Coast Canaanites..

Bedouins have to have a relationship with settled communities to survive. Its symbiotic,. The Hebrews moved into the hill country because they had lost that and they needed the townies who provided grain, textiles and tools to the bedu in exchange for meat, hides, salt etc

Endless picking and choosing of parts of history in order to minimize the presence of the Israelites/Jews in the area.
Whether they were conquered, or became the conquerors, they were there, and the Arabs who are calling themselves Palestinians today......were not.

The Israelites/Jews had a history with the Philistines, first as conquered, then as conquerors. The Philistines (the word means Invaders) disappeared from the pages of history, the Israelites/Jews did not.

And the Jews continued to have a history with other peoples who came through the area and conquered it, be it the Greeks, the Assyrians, the Romans, the Byzantine, the Kurdish Muslims, or the Arab Muslims in the 7th Century. But the Jews were always there, in Judea, Israel, Gaza, TransJordan.

That history cannot be changed to make others give the invading Arab Muslims a right they do not have over ALL the land considered to be the Jewish Homeland.
The British gave the newly arrived Hashemite Arab tribe 78% of land they had no right to. It was part of the Mandate for Palestine, Israel, part of the Jewish Homeland. It is now Jordan.
I will not repeat the information given above.
The Mandate for Palestine, aka Israel, was sabotaged by the British and the Muslims, and the Jews ended up with a sliver of their homeland to build up their future state. Something which did not happen to the other three Mandates. Why? Because all the governments of Iraq, Lebanon and Syria were going to be Muslim.

Muslims cannot have any non Muslim be sovereign of any land once conquered by Muslims, which is why no Arabs ever complained when the Ottomans had control of the area for some 800 years, or the Hashemites took control of TransJordan in 1925, or later took control of Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967.
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The Philistines are referred to as the descendants of the Casluchim in Genesis 10:14 and Exodus 13:17. Known as a seafaring nation, the Philistines were a non-Semitic people who left Crete and arrived in Canaan at the beginning of the 12th century B.C.E. The Philistines inhabited the Mediterranean coast of Canaan during the period of the Book of Judges. They founded five principalities - Gaza, Asheklon, Ashdod, Ekron, and Gath.

Their highly-developed weapons brought a great threat to the Israelites. During the Exodus from Egypt, the Israelites purposely took a southern route to circumvent them. The Philistines often battled against the Israelites. The first King of Israel, Saul, temporarily weakened them. Later, a little-known shepherd by the name of David (later second King of Israel) defeated them after his battle with the large Philistine by the name of Goliath. The Philistines were reduced to mainly commercial ventures rather than military ventures. Throughout the Books of Kings, different Jewish leaders fought the nation until the Assyrians completely defeated them. The Philistines then assimilated into the surrounding cultures and ceased to exist as a separate nation.

The name Palestine originates from the Philistine inhabitance of the land of Judea. After the Romans conquered the region in the second century C.E., the Romans used the term Palestinia to refer to the region in an attempt to minimize Jewish attachment to the land. The Arabic use of the term Filastin is from this Latin root.


Arabs were in Palestine from the time of Abraham.. Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah. .. long before Islam. The Arabs didn't leave ..

Further, most Jews din't live in Palestine by the time of Christ.. They lived in Damascus, Aleppo, Alexandria, Persia, Elephantine Island, Rome and all around the Mediterrean.

The Jewish people do not have a unique claim to Palestine.. Most arrived after1880 from Europe, Russia, Poland etc.

They have no right to take land that belonged to the indigneous people for 2000 years and force them out.
When posting anything, please give links to your sources.

What? The Bible? Even Ezra writes about Arabs in Jerusalem when they returned from the Babylonian exile. You question the Bible about the wives of Moses and Abraham? Or the history of Sargon 2 about the four Arab tribes he settled in Samaria in 738 BC?
I do question your sources, which is not the Bible, but some interpretation of it by who knows who.

In Genesis 21:1, we learn that Abraham remarried three years after the death of Sarah. Once his son Isaac was married off, Abraham, at age 140, married Keturah, who bore him six children.

But who exactly was Keturah and why did Abraham marry her? What pushed him to have six more children so late in life?

Rashi tells us that Keturah was one and the same as Hagar, whom Abraham had married more than 50 years prior (when he was 85 years of age), and who bore his firstborn, Ishmael.1



Hagar, or Keturah, was Egyptian, not Arab.

Abraham never was in Arabia, neither was Ishamel who also married an Egyptian, as some Muslim Arab folklore attempts to spread to its Muslim followers, or anyone else.

Do you actually believe Abraham was 140 years old.. Life expectancy was not long in the ME.. 75-80 was extreme old age.. Most men married before they were 20 and most girls before they were 16.

Jews have their folklore too.
Our folklore is our folklore. We respect other people's folklore and expect them to respect ours, instead of stealing most or all of it, and then telling us that what is our stories or history, really never was as it is written and understood by Jews for the past 3800 years.

But you are not here to respect anything about Jewish history and the Jewish people's rights to be sovereign over any part of their land. That is extremely clear from your never ending deflections to anything which is posed to you.

Whether you are Christian or Muslim, the lack of respect by both religions towards Judaism began at the foundation of either ideology, be it 2000 years ago, or 1300 years ago. Both were formed at the total disrespect, delegitimization and endless disregard for the truth, and each got started by the idea that either was superior to Judaism and therefore Jews should have followed either one, "Or Else".

You spill one debunkable idea after another, and never really answer points I or others have made. And never will.

Jews, Muslims and Christians lived side by side for more than a thousand years. . and the Arab Jews prospered.. You are are too keen to shift blame for the Holocaust on the Arabs, to justify what European Zionist have done.

Why do you think most Jews did not live in Palestine by the time of Christ?
Actually all Jews did live in Judeah during Jesus' Time. The diaspora began after that. Another completely ignorant comment.

Nope the diaspora began 500 years earlier.. Check your facts. Start with Elephantine Island in Egypt ad then go to Persia and Damascus, Alexandria and Aleppo.
The Diaspora started with the Babylonians taking the leaders of the Jews from Judea to Babylon and keeping them from returning.

Any other Jews who lived anywhere else outside of Judea, Israel, had migrated to those areas before and after that invasion, keeping their religion wherever they went at any other time.

The Messianic idea started with the Babylonian invasion and the taking of the leaders to Babylon. It was the beginning of the Diaspora.

All of the above is about a Jewish leader freeing the land of Israel/Judea from any invading people and restoring sovereignty over the land, and the Jewish people again being a free people and owner of their land and their own destiny.

As it is today.

According to this article this is when it began:

The Jewish diaspora began with the Assyrian captivity and continued on a much larger scale with the Babylonian captivity. Jews were also widespread throughout the Roman Empire, and this carried on to a lesser extent in the period of Byzantine rule in the central and eastern Mediterranean.


This is what happens when you get your info from IslamoNazi sources.

Zionism - The desire of a dispersed, scattered cultural group to return to an ancestral homeland after 2000 years of expulsion This is a motive. It's a desire. An objective.

Indigenous - Any and all culture groups that previously resided an area that is now under occupation and settlement by another culture group that has replaced, not integrated, culture / language etc. This is an adjective to describe a people or culture group.

Occupation - a condition whereby a culture group is being policed / controlled / governed by another culture group, but still as seperate culture groups. Not as an integrated whole with equal rights, opportunities and shared identity. "Us" governs and polices "them". By force. This is a condition. A state of being.

There is no free, democratic nation that can exist in permanent occupation, regardless of how noble or relatable or emotionally powerful the motivation.

There is no motivation that justifies permanent occupation. None. It's tyranny. It must end or maintain the injustice by force. Those are the only two options.

Having a noble motivation doesn't excuse stepping on the neck of a neighbour.
There is no occupation, and there has never been a Palestinian nation or people.

There was no Germany or Italy until 1850 either.

The land the Jews are on is their ancestral and religious homeland. Palestine and Palestinian is a modern invention.
 
[ They cannot build a Nation, or two, with the Billions coming their way. But they can try to steal the land from its indigenous people by claiming to be "the indigenous people". Arabia misses them so much:(
All those fights between tribes......oh, they are still happening. Never mind. ]


The Palestinian Authority:​

“[Israeli] plots are being woven against it [Jerusalem] to forge its identity”

“The stones in the ground are fabricated graves planted [by Israel] to prove… an ancient Israeli and Jewish presence”​

“The greatest liar is [Israel]… stealing our heritage”

”[Jewish history is] delusional myths and the arrogance of power”​

”They [Israel] imagine that by this brute force they can invent a [Jewish] history”​

“Their so-called 'Temple' - the greatest crime and forgery in history"​

This evening, the 9th of the Jewish month of Av, Jews commemorate the destruction of both Temples in Jerusalem, by Babylon in 586 BCE and by Rome in 70 CE.

The Palestinians, hoping to create a state on land in which they have no national or political ancient history, feel threatened by the more than 3000 years of Jewish history which is thoroughly documented. Thousands of archaeological finds, including coins, stamps, Hebrew inscriptions and more, many of which go back to the First Temple period, all are testimony to the thriving Jewish history in the land. Accordingly, denial of Jewish history in the land of Israel and especially in Jerusalem is a central component of PA national - political ideology. It is expressed regularly by PA leader Mahmoud Abbas himself as well as other senior PA officials.

Recently the PA produced a TV filler of Abbas again denying Israel’s history in Jerusalem saying Palestinans must “confront the [Israeli] plots that are being woven against it to forge its identity and to change its character.” While Abbas’ voice is heard, images of Jews visiting the Temple Mount are shown:

(full article online)

 
Photograph taken at the opening of a trade fair in Tel Aviv in the 1930s. The words "first taaruchah" are written on the back of the photograph so perhaps the Levant Fair in 1934.

Perhaps Meir Dizengoff in the dark suit.


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The Arab Provocation​

Did Israel attack its neighbours with no provocation?
To answer that, one have to follow the chain of events that led to 5 of June.

A meeting for “The Final Liquidation Of Israel”​

On 13 January 1964,
Representatives of 13 Arab countries gathered at Cairo in what became known as the first Arab League summit
This summit was gathered following Syria and Palestinian fedayeen call for a rematch of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War

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The participants of the 1964 Arab League summit
The issue that most worried the participants of this summit was that at that time, Israel dealt with the construction project of the National Water Carrier, in order to increase the water supply to its citizens
The Arab leaders view this project as a threat, it could boost Israel’s economy and strengthen it and thus leave the Zionist entity as an existing fact

“The establishment of Israel is the basic threat that the Arab nation in its entirety has agreed to forestall. And since the existence of Israel is a danger that threatens the Arab nation, the diversion of the Jordan waters by it multiplies the dangers to Arab existence. Accordingly, the Arab states have to prepare the plans necessary for dealing with the political, economic and social aspects, so that if necessary results are not achieved, collective Arab military preparations, when they are not completed, will constitute the ultimate practical means for the final liquidation of Israel.” [1]

And so at night of 31 of December 1964 — A squad of Palestinian guerrillas crossed from Lebanon into northern Israel. Armed with Soviet-made explosives, uniforms supplied by the Syrians, advance toward their target: a pump for conveying Galilee water to the Negev desert.
the explosive charges failed to detonate and exiting Israel, the guerrillas were arrested by Lebanese police

This was the Fatah’s first attack on Israel, and the beginning of a series of confrontations and attacks between 1964–1967 that were known as “The War over Water”, attempts by the Arab countries to divert Israel’s water flow.

(full article online)

 
Jewish soldiers from the German and Austro-Hungarian Empire celebrating Hanukkah, 1916.

A group photo of Jews serving in the armies of the German and Astro-Hungarian Empire. The Menorah in the center is being held by a German Landsturm soldier and a Austro-Hungarian soldier, probably to show the unity of the two empires. It’s placed on top a pile of snow with the hebrew inscription “Hanukkah, 1916”. On the left side of the Menorah is a Astro-Hungarian nurse who has the red and white ribbon for the ‘Decoration for Services to the Red Cross’. On the right side of the Menorah is a German field rabbi, the star of David can be seen on his field cap.

An estimated 100,000 German Jewish military personnel served in the German Army during World War I, of whom 12,000 were killed in action. In the Austro-Hungarian army it’s estimated that about 300,000 served.


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Jewish soldiers from the German and Austro-Hungarian Empire celebrating Hanukkah, 1916.

A group photo of Jews serving in the armies of the German and Astro-Hungarian Empire. The Menorah in the center is being held by a German Landsturm soldier and a Austro-Hungarian soldier, probably to show the unity of the two empires. It’s placed on top a pile of snow with the hebrew inscription “Hanukkah, 1916”. On the left side of the Menorah is a Astro-Hungarian nurse who has the red and white ribbon for the ‘Decoration for Services to the Red Cross’. On the right side of the Menorah is a German field rabbi, the star of David can be seen on his field cap.

An estimated 100,000 German Jewish military personnel served in the German Army during World War I, of whom 12,000 were killed in action. In the Austro-Hungarian army it’s estimated that about 300,000 served.


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This is about destroying Jewish history, how?
Maybe it belongs on another thread?
 
Jewish soldiers from the German and Austro-Hungarian Empire celebrating Hanukkah, 1916.

A group photo of Jews serving in the armies of the German and Astro-Hungarian Empire. The Menorah in the center is being held by a German Landsturm soldier and a Austro-Hungarian soldier, probably to show the unity of the two empires. It’s placed on top a pile of snow with the hebrew inscription “Hanukkah, 1916”. On the left side of the Menorah is a Astro-Hungarian nurse who has the red and white ribbon for the ‘Decoration for Services to the Red Cross’. On the right side of the Menorah is a German field rabbi, the star of David can be seen on his field cap.

An estimated 100,000 German Jewish military personnel served in the German Army during World War I, of whom 12,000 were killed in action. In the Austro-Hungarian army it’s estimated that about 300,000 served.


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This is about destroying Jewish history, how?
Maybe it belongs on another thread?

Jewish participation in the Great War is almost never mentioned. Why is that I wonder.

Move it by all means if it disturbs you.
 
Jewish soldiers from the German and Austro-Hungarian Empire celebrating Hanukkah, 1916.

A group photo of Jews serving in the armies of the German and Astro-Hungarian Empire. The Menorah in the center is being held by a German Landsturm soldier and a Austro-Hungarian soldier, probably to show the unity of the two empires. It’s placed on top a pile of snow with the hebrew inscription “Hanukkah, 1916”. On the left side of the Menorah is a Astro-Hungarian nurse who has the red and white ribbon for the ‘Decoration for Services to the Red Cross’. On the right side of the Menorah is a German field rabbi, the star of David can be seen on his field cap.

An estimated 100,000 German Jewish military personnel served in the German Army during World War I, of whom 12,000 were killed in action. In the Austro-Hungarian army it’s estimated that about 300,000 served.


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This is about destroying Jewish history, how?
Maybe it belongs on another thread?

Jewish participation in the Great War is almost never mentioned. Why is that I wonder.

Move it by all means if it disturbs you.
It does not disturb me at all. I am all for Jewish history. This thread is about any attempt to destroy Jewish history, but this article does not fit the bill. It is Jewish history but it is not anyone attempting to destroy, change Jewish history, which is what this thread is about.

Thanks
 

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