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I'm not calling you an asshole. I don't broad-stroke like the lunatic right does. I also don't think all Zionists are assholes. Just the ones Ahad Ha'am was referring to.Thank you for calling me an asshole, Zionists are definitely assholes, that's why we never would agree to the Palestinian freedom fighters and resistance to step in Israel.
And according to you the Zionists agreed to give back all the land they controlled back to the Palestinians, the Palestinians didn't accept it, hilarious.
That's what you're trying to spin it into.Billy. Ahad Ha'am was most likely referring to the Jewish land purchases from the Arabs. These land purchases would go on from the 1840's right up until the year Israel declared it's independence. Gee, imagine that. Even then Palestine was shooting itself in the foot. He would accurately predict how the "natives would not stand aside so easily" as Jews settled there, that happened when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem incited the great Arab Revolt of 1936, which resulted in the deaths of 300 non Zionist Jews. And as a result of that, such a revolt led the British Mandate to lend its support to the Haganah, it forced Husseini to flee during the 1948 Palestine War.
Ha'am was the founder of Cultural Zionism, whose views were in conflict with those who touted practical "political" Zionism. He and Theodore Herzl were often at odds. His views mainly hinged on "A Jewish state, not a state of Jews."
In reality, Ha'am contradicts your argument. He isn't what you thought he was.
Ahad Ha'am was not a realtor, he was a "humanist".
And he wasn't talking about land purchases, he was talking about the inalienable rights of the indigenous, non-Jewish population of Palestine, being systematically stripped away by a bunch of Zionist assholes.
You can't give what you don't have. And the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem, are not Israeli property. They've never been Israeli property. They will never be Israeli property.I Think you are wrong Billo, but again you always show a picture or a come with a singular statement which far from being the majority of the Israelis.
The fact is very simple, Israel accepted 20% size of state and the Palestinians did not.
I Don't see where you go with this but this is what happened and you can't argue with the past and history, all land transfers with the Palestinians were a big failure except for Egypt and Jordan, and if Israel would give any more land now we will be under a massive threat and that is not an option as it was in the past so I won't take such risk of living under mercy of those who swore to kill me.
Here is the Israel point of view about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEeiDjdUuU
If the world allowed Israel to annex that land, it would be like saying it was okay for Hitler to annex Poland.
BTW, when Zionists unilaterally stood up and declared independence against the requests of UN officials in 1948, they were 10% of the population and took 70% of the land.
Palestinian's have a right to their freedom and you have no right whatsoever to keep it from them.
That's what you're trying to spin it into.Billy. Ahad Ha'am was most likely referring to the Jewish land purchases from the Arabs. These land purchases would go on from the 1840's right up until the year Israel declared it's independence. Gee, imagine that. Even then Palestine was shooting itself in the foot. He would accurately predict how the "natives would not stand aside so easily" as Jews settled there, that happened when the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem incited the great Arab Revolt of 1936, which resulted in the deaths of 300 non Zionist Jews. And as a result of that, such a revolt led the British Mandate to lend its support to the Haganah, it forced Husseini to flee during the 1948 Palestine War.
Ha'am was the founder of Cultural Zionism, whose views were in conflict with those who touted practical "political" Zionism. He and Theodore Herzl were often at odds. His views mainly hinged on "A Jewish state, not a state of Jews."
In reality, Ha'am contradicts your argument. He isn't what you thought he was.
Ahad Ha'am was not a realtor, he was a "humanist".
And he wasn't talking about land purchases, he was talking about the inalienable rights of the indigenous, non-Jewish population of Palestine, being systematically stripped away by a bunch of Zionist assholes.
(COMMENT)If what you're claiming was true, there would be more incidents of violence before the Zionist migration and there isn't. All the major incidents of violence occurred AFTER the Zionist migration.Billo_Really, et al,
The quote is true - that is - it comes from what Asher Zvi Hirsch Ginsberg (AKA: Ahad Ha'am, Russian Writer) said in 1891.
(COMMENT)Here's a clue...
Who feels like making friends after that shit?
This had nothing to do with Jewish immigrants going to Palestine. This was a statement made in the 1891 published essay called "A Truth from Eretz Yisrael." Written 23 years before WWI erupted (1914), a quarter century before the Sykes-Picot Agreement (1916), 26 years before the Balfour Declaration (1917), 28 years before the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement (1919), 29 years before the San Remo Convention (1920), three decades before the Mandate of Palestine was created (1922) and the implementation (of Articles 4 and 6) to encourage and facilitate Jewish immigration for Jews willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
Ahad Ha'am was talking about the relationship between the indigenous Jews and the indigenous Arabs; not immigrants under the Mandate.
Most Respectfully,
R
Furthermore, I only posted the 2nd half of Ahad Ha'am's quote, here's the full quote...
He wouldn't be calling indigenous, Palestinian-Jews, "settlers". That would be the migrating Zionists.the settlers must under no circumstances arouse the wrath of the natives ... 'Yet what do our brethren do in Palestine? Just the very opposite! Serfs they were in the lands of the Diaspora and suddenly they find themselves in unrestricted freedom and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination."
Hey, that's a good name for a Jewish rap group...........The Migrating Zionists!
So Israel now has a War on Authors?You expect Israel to allow their enemies to freely use their airport? Your nuts.
Who knew?
You can't give what you don't have. And the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and East Jerusalem, are not Israeli property. They've never been Israeli property. They will never be Israeli property.I Think you are wrong Billo, but again you always show a picture or a come with a singular statement which far from being the majority of the Israelis.
The fact is very simple, Israel accepted 20% size of state and the Palestinians did not.
I Don't see where you go with this but this is what happened and you can't argue with the past and history, all land transfers with the Palestinians were a big failure except for Egypt and Jordan, and if Israel would give any more land now we will be under a massive threat and that is not an option as it was in the past so I won't take such risk of living under mercy of those who swore to kill me.
Here is the Israel point of view about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIEeiDjdUuU
You don't know what I support.Bullshit. You support barbaric savage religious murderers over civilization. A culture that has blessed civilization with great music, literature, and science. You're sick.
All you know, is that I should be killed, because I don't share your Israeli kiss-ass views.
Yer killing me, I R edyoukated!No, you shouldn't be killed. You should be educated.
I don't lie.Your either and idiot or a liar.
http://www.christianityoasis.com/images/Israel During the Judges.jpg
Jordan.I don't lie.Your either and idiot or a liar.
http://www.christianityoasis.com/images/Israel During the Judges.jpg
Name one country on the face of this planet that recognizes Israel's right to that land.
Just one.
No that is not the way things work.Are you really that dumb. If we are at war with Germany we wouldn't allow German residents from Germany to use our airports civilian or not. That is the way things work. Israel is at war with Gaza and Hamas.
I don't lie.Your either and idiot or a liar.
http://www.christianityoasis.com/images/Israel During the Judges.jpg
Name one country on the face of this planet that recognizes Israel's right to that land.
Just one.
The international recognition of Israel refers to the diplomatic recognition of the State of Israel, which was established by the Israeli Declaration of Independence on 14 May 1948. 160 of the 192 other UN member states (83%) currently recognize Israel.
He was talking about how migrating Zionists were coming in and treating the indigenous population of non-Jews.LOL.
A 'humanist'? He was doing a documentary, not a propaganda piece. He was acting to help Jews do better by the Arabs, not submit to them. How idiotic.
Germans.No that is not the way things work.Are you really that dumb. If we are at war with Germany we wouldn't allow German residents from Germany to use our airports civilian or not. That is the way things work. Israel is at war with Gaza and Hamas.
If someone takes no part in hostilities, you cannot treat them as if they do.
You're just going to make up any excuse to justify Israeli atrocities.
He was talking about how migrating Zionists were coming in and treating the indigenous population of non-Jews.LOL.
A 'humanist'? He was doing a documentary, not a propaganda piece. He was acting to help Jews do better by the Arabs, not submit to them. How idiotic.
Fast forward to today and you're still doing what he had warned about.
Stop being so obtuse!So when did Israel annexe the west bank, gaza and Jerusalem then.
East Jerusalem is not Israeli property.And for the record Jerusalem is not arab muslim property either so they have no claim on it.
What is wrong with you? I've shown you the official land records at the time, yet you keep acting like I haven't.nearer to 50% of the population and owned 8 times the amount of land the arab muslims did.
Here's your link!Care to provide a link to the UN requesting that the Jews should not declare independence
I don't know why you're asking for links, because you just give the same bullshit excuse you always give.As the hostilities in Palestine escalated, efforts intensified in the United Nations to find ways to stop the violence. A United States proposal to place Palestine under temporary United Nations trusteeship met strong opposition from Zionist leaders, who saw in it a possibility of a reversal of the partition decision. A move to negotiate a truce was similarly opposed. Weizmann describes this stage as follows:
"It had been anticipated that the trusteeship plan would be adopted without difficulty; but within the two months since its proposal, the situation had again altered radically;...
"... When it became clear in the Assembly that the trusteeship plan could not be adopted, another delaying formula was devised - a 'temporary truce': both parties were to cease fire, no political decision was to be taken, a limited Jewish immigration was to be permitted for a few months, and in exchange for this transient and dubious security the Jews were to refrain from proclaiming their State in accordance with the November decision ...
Israel declared its independence on 14 May 1948. The departure of the British High Commissioner the next day ceremonially signalled the end of the Mandate.
Can you be anymore irresponsible?No one is keeping the Palestinians from their freedom but them selves.
My country does not have US soldiers in Mexico, unless they're down there buying weed.If you look at your own country they treat the Mexicans no better, and in most cases much worse
Just put yourself in their shoes.Uh, okay? And how does this prove your point? America treats a lot of people like shit, but I don't see you denouncing our claim over this land, now do I?
What does the Holy Grail have to do with anything I just said?
