The "SAVIOUR" Of The GOP????

[Ernie S.]

I would place even odds on Marco being the GOP Nominee in 2016.

I met him in 08. Great guy and smart as hell.

His immigration plan is going to hurt him in the primaries with the hard core "deportation only" Republican base.

I don't think there are that many "deportation only" Republicans. I'm all for making it so uncomfortable here for illegals that they self deport. but I don't represent anything like the center/right who need to be convinced to pull the GOP lever. The far right wouldn't vote for Jefferson if he ran as a Democrat. The 2016 GOP candidate has to excite people to win. So far, only Marco Rubio has shown any potential to do so.
Rubio's plan isn't set in stone and will "evolve" (like obama's stance on gay marriage?). It would face lots of changes in a GOP controlled Congress; likely a requirement for illegals to return home and go through proper channels before receiving any favored status.

 

[nitroz]

Let the GOP die.

 

[Ernie S.]

Rubio simply does not have the sand that Christie, Martinez, and Jindall exhibit.

He won't be the 2106 candidate.

A conservative who is willing to reach out to women and Hispanics is the type of GOP candidate that we responsible Republicans need. No neo-con, no social values radical need apply

The very LAST thing the GOP should do is listen Fake Republicans like you, Jake. We did the last 2 elections and look where that got us.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rubio simply does not have the sand that Christie, Martinez, and Jindall exhibit.

He won't be the 2106 candidate.

A conservative who is willing to reach out to women and Hispanics is the type of GOP candidate that we responsible Republicans need. No neo-con, no social values radical need apply

The very LAST thing the GOP should do is listen Fake Republicans like you, Jake. We did the last 2 elections and look where that got us.

Listening to the reactionary far right of the GOP is the last thing we need: just look where it has gotten us. Losses in 5 of 6 popular votes, losses in 4 of 6 electoral votes.

Any more "victories" like that, and we go the way of the Whigs.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Rubio seems to have done a good job fooling a lot of republicans and the pundits, where the former are clearly desperate for some sort of quick fix.

Otherwise, it makes no difference whom republicans perceive as a ‘savior’ if they continue to allow their party to be dominated by the social right, Christian fundamentalists, fiscal extremists, and warmongering neo-cons.

You just described the T Party.

 

[DaGoose]

Rubio seems to have done a good job fooling a lot of republicans and the pundits, where the former are clearly desperate for some sort of quick fix.

Otherwise, it makes no difference whom republicans perceive as a ‘savior’ if they continue to allow their party to be dominated by the social right, Christian fundamentalists, fiscal extremists, and warmongering neo-cons.

You know, Mr. Jones, the GOP listened to the liberal media and essentially allowed the DNC to pick their nominee in 2008 and 2012. Hopefully, the GOP will stop listening.

You keep telling us who we should run and we refuse to see that you are handing of dull, uncharismatic has beens that are know as "Mavericks" and "able to reach across the aisle" knowing full well that even if they should win, they won't have the balls to undo all the damage Liberals have done in one or two terms.
A strong, charismatic Conservative would devastate obamacare, DADT, the EPA and make us net energy producers, not dependent on the Middle East for energy.

Wow....you're really in denial, aren't you? You make it sound like the GOP voters took liberal pundits in the voter booths with them.

The reason Mitt lost so badly is that he had to run so far right in the primary to satisfy the "ultra right wing" folks that he could not compete in the general election.

But please.....go on thinking that you need to run ultra RW TP candidates in the general elections. The Dems just love that!!

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[Zoom-boing]

The GOP needs to run a fiscally conservative candidate who is socially moderate.

 

[Stephanie]

Rubio simply does not have the sand that Christie, Martinez, and Jindall exhibit.

He won't be the 2106 candidate.

A conservative who is willing to reach out to women and Hispanics is the type of GOP candidate that we responsible Republicans need. No neo-con, no social values radical need apply

The very LAST thing the GOP should do is listen Fake Republicans like you, Jake. We did the last 2 elections and look where that got us.

Listening to the reactionary far right of the GOP is the last thing we need: just look where it has gotten us. Losses in 5 of 6 popular votes, losses in 4 of 6 electoral votes.

Any more "victories" like that, and we go the way of the Whigs.

are you EVER going to blame anyone else? how about the people they put in to run? naaaa, you just want to blame the people in the country for your losses

you are such a broken record..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Mac1958]

The GOP needs to run a fiscally conservative candidate who is socially moderate.

Yup. There's PLENTY of room on the fiscal conservatism side in which they could work.

Look at what happened when Mitch Daniels, a solid and believable fiscal conservative, suggested a "truce on social issues". Holy crap, the absolutists damn near had a freakin' stroke, and I'll bet that played into his decision to stay out. So they were stuck with the weird Mitt Romney, who simply was not believable.

Such a candidate would not have to be a wild-eyed social liberal, just leave the social issues out of the conversation and concentrate on growth and jobs.

It's still stunning to me that the GOP allowed the 2012 election to be diverted away from "it's the economy, stupid", to the social issues crap. The Democrats were masterful in their strategy, the GOP was stupid and got blind-sided. Let's see if they learn.

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[editec]

The problem is that the RNC's agenda is NOT the same as their Know-Nothing wing of the party

This is so very evidently true, based on the responses we read right here on this very board.

 

[Truthmatters]

there is just no way arround dumping the right wing tea party base that make up about 30 % of the gop voters right now.

they can not win with them and can not win without them.


The GOP will be in the hinterlands for some time no matter what they do.

 

[Truthmatters]

The GOP needs to run a fiscally conservative candidate who is socially moderate.

that means no 30% tea party voters.

that means no winning.


they need to change their ideas from the historically failed ones into ones that may actually have a chance of working.


They wont because the ARE the stupid party jsut like jindal said.

there is no republican who can rewin their seat without the tea party vote.

the republican party is stuck between a rock and a stupid place

 

[Cammmpbell]

Rubio seems to have done a good job fooling a lot of republicans and the pundits, where the former are clearly desperate for some sort of quick fix.

Otherwise, it makes no difference whom republicans perceive as a ‘savior’ if they continue to allow their party to be dominated by the social right, Christian fundamentalists, fiscal extremists, and warmongering neo-cons.

You know, Mr. Jones, the GOP listened to the liberal media and essentially allowed the DNC to pick their nominee in 2008 and 2012. Hopefully, the GOP will stop listening.

You keep telling us who we should run and we refuse to see that you are handing of dull, uncharismatic has beens that are know as "Mavericks" and "able to reach across the aisle" knowing full well that even if they should win, they won't have the balls to undo all the damage Liberals have done in one or two terms.
A strong, charismatic Conservative would devastate obamacare, DADT, the EPA and make us net energy producers, not dependent on the Middle East for energy.

Wow....you're really in denial, aren't you? You make it sound like the GOP voters took liberal pundits in the voter booths with them.

The reason Mitt lost so badly is that he had to run so far right in the primary to satisfy the "ultra right wing" folks that he could not compete in the general election.

But please.....go on thinking that you need to run ultra RW TP candidates in the general elections. The Dems just love that!!

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You damn right we do! The Blacks, Hispanics, Gays, Unions, Working Poor, Disabled etc. All of us except the NRA, corporations and the 1%.

 

[Ernie S.]

Rubio simply does not have the sand that Christie, Martinez, and Jindall exhibit.

He won't be the 2106 candidate.

A conservative who is willing to reach out to women and Hispanics is the type of GOP candidate that we responsible Republicans need. No neo-con, no social values radical need apply

The very LAST thing the GOP should do is listen Fake Republicans like you, Jake. We did the last 2 elections and look where that got us.

Listening to the reactionary far right of the GOP is the last thing we need: just look where it has gotten us. Losses in 5 of 6 popular votes, losses in 4 of 6 electoral votes.

Any more "victories" like that, and we go the way of the Whigs.

Sorry pal, but that wasn't the result of listening to the far right, that was a result of listening to the media.

 

[Truthmatters]

I catn figure out if ernie is a rock or a stupid place

 

[Ernie S.]

Rubio seems to have done a good job fooling a lot of republicans and the pundits, where the former are clearly desperate for some sort of quick fix.

Otherwise, it makes no difference whom republicans perceive as a ‘savior’ if they continue to allow their party to be dominated by the social right, Christian fundamentalists, fiscal extremists, and warmongering neo-cons.

You know, Mr. Jones, the GOP listened to the liberal media and essentially allowed the DNC to pick their nominee in 2008 and 2012. Hopefully, the GOP will stop listening.

You keep telling us who we should run and we refuse to see that you are handing of dull, uncharismatic has beens that are know as "Mavericks" and "able to reach across the aisle" knowing full well that even if they should win, they won't have the balls to undo all the damage Liberals have done in one or two terms.
A strong, charismatic Conservative would devastate obamacare, DADT, the EPA and make us net energy producers, not dependent on the Middle East for energy.

Wow....you're really in denial, aren't you? You make it sound like the GOP voters took liberal pundits in the voter booths with them.

The reason Mitt lost so badly is that he had to run so far right in the primary to satisfy the "ultra right wing" folks that he could not compete in the general election.

But please.....go on thinking that you need to run ultra RW TP candidates in the general elections. The Dems just love that!!

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If the GOP ever runs a Conservative, we'll see, won't we?

 

[Truthmatters]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


yeah when they lose just say they were pretending to be what you wanted

 

[Truthmatters]

I think he may be a stupid place

 

[Ernie S.]

I catn figure out if ernie is a rock or a stupid place

You're funny!

 

[EriktheRed]

Let’s just say it: Marco Rubio is the Wes Clark of 2013. Only with many fewer accomplishments.

It pains me to say this because I’m an admirer of Gen. Wesley Clark. I think he would have made a good president. He was an extremely accomplished career military officer. He was also a West Point valedictorian and Rhodes Scholar, so you might say a Democrat’s vision of what a warrior-scholar should be.

But there’s a difference between a person’s innate qualities and accomplishments and the reason they become the person of the moment or get seized upon for some special role by a political party. And there’s no question Democrats seized on Clark in 2003/2004 because his credentials as a retired 4 star general and a combat vet promised to serve as a heat shield to protect them from charges of weakness in an era in which an aggressive national security posture was the sine qua non of national elections.

Nor was Clark the only example. Finding the retired General or combat vet to carry the Democratic banner was a thing for a couple decades — and for obvious reasons: the public consistently rated Republicans better on national security issues.

But nominating a general doesn’t solve the political problem. Ask President Kerry. And neither will nominating Marco Rubio or putting him at the party’s helm.

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