The Socialist State Provides

[kyzr]

The government didn't shell out any part of the $28b in aid to the farmers. More "fake news" from the MSM.
The US took in $59b year-to-date in tariffs, so should net about $100b for 2019, thats a net gain in revenue.


Trump tariffs: How much is US collecting in revenue?

Those tariffs that our citizens are paying....so just more tax dollars

Those tariffs are being paid by China, at least in part.
Who pays Trump's tariffs, China or U.S. customers and companies?

 

[Synthaholic]

In fact, if you love democracy, everyone should vote for Democrats. They have so much to clean up from the Trump/GOP corruption and incompetence they won't have time to work on big new social programs. They will be busy fortifying voter rights, rule of law, immigration, and correcting everything Trump fucked up. A full-time job.

 

[cnm]

Farmers contribute something essential.

Soy for export. That's essential, is it?

You should tell Donald.

 

[cnm]

Those tariffs are being paid by China, at least in part.

The importers write the only cheques the US government gets. Ffs.

 

[dblack]

Whereas Democrats only cheer for the welfare state when it benefits the political welfare of Democrats. Yep, hypocrites galore.

What do you think C? Should government be subsidizing farmers?

No, when it benefits the people who directly receive that “welfare”. That’s when we cheer. Bleeding hearts, remember?

You don't think the farm subsidies benefit farmers?

Why are you talking about subsidies when this is an illegal bailout of an industry that is in crisis due to Trump's trade war. It's Socialism, using taxpayer dollars to pick winners and losers.

I agree. Trump is no conservative. In many ways, he's as bad as the Democrats.

Then reject Dem-Lite and go for the real thing. Seriously dude, 4 years of Democratic policies is a worthwhile price for saving democracy in America. Think of your grandkids living in a Trumpian future. I've always known you to not be a wingnut, just a rightwinger, so I'm guessing you're not a Cult45 member. Hoping, anyway.

I'm no rightwinger. I want Trump out of there. I just don't want to hand over power to socialists to do it. That's really what this fucking election is coming down to: socialism vs fascism. I'll support neither and fight against both.

 

[dblack]

In fact, if you love democracy, everyone should vote for Democrats.

I guess they chose the right name for their party!

Anyway, I don't. Love democracy that is. I love freedom. Democracy is a reasonable way to elect leaders, but it's not a god way to run society. That's where the democrats lose me.

 

[Denizen]

The farm subsidies are GOP's socialism by stealth.

Same as tariffs being a price subsidy to protected industries.

The real problem for the US is the US$ is over-valued.

 

[westwall]

I remember so-called “conservatives” were grabbin’ their pitchforks in OUTRAGE over Obama bailing out the Auto industry for $12B. And they paid back every cent. Think the farmers will be required to repay the US taxpayer? If not this is flat-out Socialism.

But now the Right is a cult who won’t criticize Dear Leader.

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The socialist state provides serf level food and medical care, and in the event of war you are expected to die for the dear leader...

 

[cnm]

Anyway, I don't. Love democracy that is. I love freedom. Democracy is a reasonable way to elect leaders, but it's not a god way to run society. That's where the democrats lose me.

Jesus.

 

[cnm]

The socialist state provides serf level food and medical care, and in the event of war you are expected to die for the dear leader...

Whereas the capitalist state provides neither and one is still expected to die for the dear leader in the event of war.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

So, The State owns all the farms?...Are they making any move to nationalize them all?

The OP and you are dopey hacks, who are trying to score a cheap political point....And you've failed.

Under Medicare For All, The State will not own all the hospitals, so it’s not Socialism.

So I guess it's almost-but-not-quite socialism in your book. Call it whatever you want. It still sucks and I don't want it. Way too much power concentrated under government.

The difference is Medicare 4 All is "Socialism" that will benefit millions of citizens. Trump's hush-money "Socialism" payoffs to farmers benefit only him. Not the country. Not the citizens.

So, The State owns all the farms?...Are they making any move to nationalize them all?

The OP and you are dopey hacks, who are trying to score a cheap political point....And you've failed.

Under Medicare For All, The State will not own all the hospitals, so it’s not Socialism.

So I guess it's almost-but-not-quite socialism in your book. Call it whatever you want. It still sucks and I don't want it. Way too much power concentrated under government.

The difference is Medicare 4 All is "Socialism" that will benefit millions of citizens. Trump's hush-money "Socialism" payoffs to farmers benefit only him. Not the country. Not the citizens.

Libs have many payoffs to keep their voters sucking on the govt tit. None of them benefit me. Your faux outrage is noted. You can't even troll anymore.

Name them.

Business loans, welfare, minority loans, etc. I could go on. Don't act surprised.

 

[dblack]

The socialist state provides serf level food and medical care, and in the event of war you are expected to die for the dear leader...

Whereas the capitalist state provides neither and one is still expected to die for the dear leader in the event of war.

That's true. A capitalist state doesn't provide anything other than the freedom to provide for yourself. Providing for people isn't the purpose of government.

As far as being expected to die for your government in the event of war - how easy will it be to say "no" when the government is providing you with all your needs?

 

[dblack]

Anyway, I don't. Love democracy that is. I love freedom. Democracy is a reasonable way to elect leaders, but it's not a god way to run society. That's where the democrats lose me.

Jesus.

Can you expound on that? Clearly, the concept of freedom is preposterous to you - a joke. How come?