Time To Play "Civil Liberty: Which Doesn't Belong"

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

If I say, "Harris is a giggling buffoon", is that criminal or defamatory?

Neither. If you say she whored for money, it is at least defamatory.

If someone said you were smart, everyone would start laughing at you.

 

[Foxfyre]

1. " To ensure that the people would become and remain submissive, East German communist leaders saturated their realm with more spies than had any other totalitarian government in recent history.

The Soviet Union's KGB employed about 480,000 full-time agents to oversee a nation of 280 million, which means there was one agent per 5,830 citizens.
... for the Nazi Gestapo, there was one officer for 2,000 people.
The ratio for the Stasi was one secret policeman per 166 East Germans. When the regular informers are added, these ratios become much higher: In the Stasi's case, there would have been at least one spy watching every 66 citizens!"
Stasi


2. "The British government's push to criminalize all speech and thought that runs counter to state ideology didn't just begin this past week. In February 2019, a street preacher was arrested in Enfield for preaching Christianity in a Muslim neighborhood. In February 2021, two men were arrested in south London for distributing flyers critical of COVID vaccines. In March 2023, a woman was arrested in Birmingham for silently praying outside an abortion clinic.

But Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley, who thinks criticism of mass immigration equates "hate" and "terrorism," ....
The dictatorial drive being pursued by the British ruling class doesn't fall neatly into a category that Hannah Arendt would recognize as totalitarian. This is because none of the typical totalitarian movements (communism, socialism, fascism, Nazism, and Islamism).....

Britain Is Now a Totalitarian State

pjmedia.com

3. Democrat Supreme Court Justice Kagan on free speech...
"In her 1993 article "Regulation of Hate Speech and Pornography After R.A.V," for the University of Chicago Law Review, Kagan writes:
"I take it as a given that we live in a society marred by racial and gender inequality, that certain forms of speech perpetuate and promote this inequality, and that the uncoerced disappearance of such speech would be cause for great elation."

In a 1996 paper, "Private Speech, Public Purpose: The Role of Governmental Motive in First Amendment Doctrine," Kagan argued it may be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.
That paper asserted First Amendment doctrine is comprised of "motives and ... actions infested with them" and she goes so far as to claim that "First Amendment law is best understood and most readily explained as a kind of motive-hunting."

Kagan's name was also on a brief, United States V. Stevens, dug up by the Washington Examiner, stating: "Whether a given category of speech enjoys First Amendment protection depends upon a categorical balancing of the value of the speech against its societal costs."
If the government doesn't like what you say, Elena Kagan believes it is the duty of courts to tell you to shut up. If some pantywaist is offended by what you say, Elena Kagan believes your words can be "disappeared".
WyBlog -- Elena Kagan's America: some speech can be "disappeared"


4. "The White House wants people to believe they are losing the health care debate because “scary … videos are starting to percolate on the internet” that are spreading “disinformation” about Obama’s health care plan. The White House is even encouraging Obama supporters to help them identify people spreading this “disinformation.” Theofficial White House blog now asks Americans: “If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected].”
Morning Bell: The People Spreading "Disinformation" About Obamacare


5. "Walz's coronavirus policies were extremely heavy-handed and restrictive; under his leadership, the state endured the pandemic in a fundamentally anti-libertarian fashion.

.....Minnesota's ridiculous hotline for COVID-19 snitches. That's right: Walz's government maintained a method for people to report their neighbors for failing to abide by social distancing rules. "

Tim Walz was a COVID-19 tyrant

Under Walz's leadership, Minnesota endured the COVID-19 pandemic in a fundamentally anti-libertarian fashion.

reason.com

C'mon.....guess.


Which one doesn't belong?

Whenever government tries to micromanage speech, the people's private behavior, and/or the economy, can totalitarianism be far behind?

 

[daveman]

Neither. If you say she whored for money, it is at least defamatory.

If someone said you were smart, everyone would start laughing at you.

She didn't whore for money. She whored for jobs.

Is that what you want in the leader of the free world?

 

[daveman]

Whenever government tries to micromanage speech, the people's private behavior, and/or the economy, can totalitarianism be far behind?

That's the Democratic Party's business plan.

 

[Foxfyre]

That's the Democratic Party's business plan.

I resisted thinking that for a very long time, but I have concluded that yes, totalitarianism--they won't call it that of course but that is what it will be--is their plan.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

She didn't whore for money. She whored for jobs.

Is that what you want in the leader of the free world?

You want a felon? A sex perv? One who says vets are 'losers' and 'suckers'. And so on.

You are a loser and sucker. And Trump will lose.

 

[Dragonlady]

1. " To ensure that the people would become and remain submissive, East German communist leaders saturated their realm with more spies than had any other totalitarian government in recent history.

The Soviet Union's KGB employed about 480,000 full-time agents to oversee a nation of 280 million, which means there was one agent per 5,830 citizens.
... for the Nazi Gestapo, there was one officer for 2,000 people.
The ratio for the Stasi was one secret policeman per 166 East Germans. When the regular informers are added, these ratios become much higher: In the Stasi's case, there would have been at least one spy watching every 66 citizens!"
Stasi


2. "The British government's push to criminalize all speech and thought that runs counter to state ideology didn't just begin this past week. In February 2019, a street preacher was arrested in Enfield for preaching Christianity in a Muslim neighborhood. In February 2021, two men were arrested in south London for distributing flyers critical of COVID vaccines. In March 2023, a woman was arrested in Birmingham for silently praying outside an abortion clinic.

But Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley, who thinks criticism of mass immigration equates "hate" and "terrorism," ....
The dictatorial drive being pursued by the British ruling class doesn't fall neatly into a category that Hannah Arendt would recognize as totalitarian. This is because none of the typical totalitarian movements (communism, socialism, fascism, Nazism, and Islamism).....

Britain Is Now a Totalitarian State

pjmedia.com

3. Democrat Supreme Court Justice Kagan on free speech...
"In her 1993 article "Regulation of Hate Speech and Pornography After R.A.V," for the University of Chicago Law Review, Kagan writes:
"I take it as a given that we live in a society marred by racial and gender inequality, that certain forms of speech perpetuate and promote this inequality, and that the uncoerced disappearance of such speech would be cause for great elation."

In a 1996 paper, "Private Speech, Public Purpose: The Role of Governmental Motive in First Amendment Doctrine," Kagan argued it may be proper to suppress speech because it is offensive to society or to the government.
That paper asserted First Amendment doctrine is comprised of "motives and ... actions infested with them" and she goes so far as to claim that "First Amendment law is best understood and most readily explained as a kind of motive-hunting."

Kagan's name was also on a brief, United States V. Stevens, dug up by the Washington Examiner, stating: "Whether a given category of speech enjoys First Amendment protection depends upon a categorical balancing of the value of the speech against its societal costs."
If the government doesn't like what you say, Elena Kagan believes it is the duty of courts to tell you to shut up. If some pantywaist is offended by what you say, Elena Kagan believes your words can be "disappeared".
WyBlog -- Elena Kagan's America: some speech can be "disappeared"


4. "The White House wants people to believe they are losing the health care debate because “scary … videos are starting to percolate on the internet” that are spreading “disinformation” about Obama’s health care plan. The White House is even encouraging Obama supporters to help them identify people spreading this “disinformation.” Theofficial White House blog now asks Americans: “If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected].”
Morning Bell: The People Spreading "Disinformation" About Obamacare


5. "Walz's coronavirus policies were extremely heavy-handed and restrictive; under his leadership, the state endured the pandemic in a fundamentally anti-libertarian fashion.

.....Minnesota's ridiculous hotline for COVID-19 snitches. That's right: Walz's government maintained a method for people to report their neighbors for failing to abide by social distancing rules. "

Tim Walz was a COVID-19 tyrant

Under Walz's leadership, Minnesota endured the COVID-19 pandemic in a fundamentally anti-libertarian fashion.

reason.com

C'mon.....guess.


Which one doesn't belong?

That was one long way around trying to claim that sound Public Health Policy in a pandemic, is the same thing as the KGB and the STASI controlling every aspect of public life in communicst countries.

Even for you this is a reallly looooooooooooooooooong fucking stretch.

LIES AND BULLSHIT ARE ALL YOU EVER HAD.

 

[Dragonlady]

I resisted thinking that for a very long time, but I have concluded that yes, totalitarianism--they won't call it that of course but that is what it will be--is their plan.

How to tell us you're in a Cult, without saying it.

 

[The Duke]

Hate speech is an exception to free speech, which IS NOT absolute.

Hate Speech is a Commie construct used to censor opposing views.

 

[The Duke]

You misdefined what I said. If you defame, you will get the blame. Free speech does not protect criminal or defamatory speech.

So why isn't most of the press under the jail right now?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So why isn't most of the press under the jail right now?

Many of them, plus almost all of MAGA, should be, yes.

 

[The Duke]

Many of them, plus almost all of MAGA, should be, yes.

But why?