CDZ The two biggest mistakes of George W. Bush

[rightwinger]

Just like they were not behind the murder of Khosheggi

They were complicit in the rise of radical Islam as long as they stayed in power

Journalists come and go...not of overall importance...he was not an American Citizen, he was not killed in America.....let Turkey and Saudia Arabia deal with it.



Khashoggi was Not a Friend of America

Time Person of the Year

May bring down the Saudi Regime

just liberal pc bullshilte....The American media are an enemy of the American People....doing everything in their power to turn us into a 3rd world hellhole.

Part of the fascist agenda is to convince a population that the media is the enemy. - because the media provides facts which inconveniently refute the lies put out by governments.

Laughable......you have drank the Kool-Aid


LIST: 24 Pieces of MSM Fake News in 5 Days

Most of those offer opinion instead of facts to justify a claim of fake news

 

[MaryL]

I never understood why Bush attacked Iraq ("Desert Storm" 1990) to begin with. It was avoidable. Yes, it was, before people roll their eyes or get nasty, Saddam asked us BEFORE he invaded Kuwait. And we could have at least diplomatically said HELL NO. And Bush's remark on islam, he sort stuck his foot in his mouth. Islam is the most hyper aggressive threat to humanity and free thought I can think of...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I never understood why Bush attacked Iraq ("Desert Storm" 1990) to begin with. It was avoidable. Yes, it was, before people roll their eyes or get nasty, Saddam asked us BEFORE he invaded Kuwait. And we could have at least diplomatically said HELL NO. And Bush's remark on islam, he sort stuck his foot in his mouth. Islam is the most hyper aggressive threat to humanity and free thought I can think of...

No, he did not "ask us before he invaded". You have bought into the lie. Saddam told our ambassador that the Kuwaiti crown prince was going to negotiate with Iraq over the dispute. He lied.

 

[MaryL]

I never understood why Bush attacked Iraq ("Desert Storm" 1990) to begin with. It was avoidable. Yes, it was, before people roll their eyes or get nasty, Saddam asked us BEFORE he invaded Kuwait. And we could have at least diplomatically said HELL NO. And Bush's remark on islam, he sort stuck his foot in his mouth. Islam is the most hyper aggressive threat to humanity and free thought I can think of...

No, he did not "ask us before he invaded". You have bought into the lie. Saddam told our ambassador that the Kuwaiti crown prince was going to negotiate with Iraq over the dispute. He lied.

I knew someone would say this. I remember at the time the US Ambassador to gods knows whom was informed of Saddam's intentions ahead of time, on the invasion of Kuwait. So I looked that up, to refresh my memory. April Gillespie. It really gets muddy, but we sure as hell knew of Saddams intentions visa vis Kuwait ahead of time and should have addressed it then in a diplomatic matter. Iraq was supposedly a ally of ours, we could have used a little more finesse.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I never understood why Bush attacked Iraq ("Desert Storm" 1990) to begin with. It was avoidable. Yes, it was, before people roll their eyes or get nasty, Saddam asked us BEFORE he invaded Kuwait. And we could have at least diplomatically said HELL NO. And Bush's remark on islam, he sort stuck his foot in his mouth. Islam is the most hyper aggressive threat to humanity and free thought I can think of...

No, he did not "ask us before he invaded". You have bought into the lie. Saddam told our ambassador that the Kuwaiti crown prince was going to negotiate with Iraq over the dispute. He lied.

I knew someone would say this. I remember at the time the US Ambassador to gods knows whom was informed of Saddam's intentions ahead of time, on the invasion of Kuwait. So I looked that up, to refresh my memory. April Gillespie. It really gets muddy, but we sure as hell knew of Saddams intentions visa vis Kuwait ahead of time and should have addressed it then in a diplomatic matter. Iraq was supposedly a ally of ours, we could have used a little more finesse.

So now you can see that your previous statement is not true? He didn't ask our permission and we did not give it to him.

 

[MaryL]

I never understood why Bush attacked Iraq ("Desert Storm" 1990) to begin with. It was avoidable. Yes, it was, before people roll their eyes or get nasty, Saddam asked us BEFORE he invaded Kuwait. And we could have at least diplomatically said HELL NO. And Bush's remark on islam, he sort stuck his foot in his mouth. Islam is the most hyper aggressive threat to humanity and free thought I can think of...

No, he did not "ask us before he invaded". You have bought into the lie. Saddam told our ambassador that the Kuwaiti crown prince was going to negotiate with Iraq over the dispute. He lied.

I knew someone would say this. I remember at the time the US Ambassador to gods knows whom was informed of Saddam's intentions ahead of time, on the invasion of Kuwait. So I looked that up, to refresh my memory. April Gillespie. It really gets muddy, but we sure as hell knew of Saddams intentions visa vis Kuwait ahead of time and should have addressed it then in a diplomatic matter. Iraq was supposedly a ally of ours, we could have used a little more finesse.

So now you can see that your previous statement is not true? He didn't ask our permission and we did not give it to him.

Ok, we agree to disagree. I'm reasonably sure of my assertion. I will look further into it. But on another note, one significant to ME, is the fact I saw us preparing for war in the middle east months before the official announced invasion of Kuwait . I know it's anecdotal and proves nothing. And the military doesn't just do stuff on whims and whimsies. So, color me skeptical on the necessity of desert storm. Our government prepared for it months in advance. Or was it just a coincidence?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I never understood why Bush attacked Iraq ("Desert Storm" 1990) to begin with. It was avoidable. Yes, it was, before people roll their eyes or get nasty, Saddam asked us BEFORE he invaded Kuwait. And we could have at least diplomatically said HELL NO. And Bush's remark on islam, he sort stuck his foot in his mouth. Islam is the most hyper aggressive threat to humanity and free thought I can think of...

No, he did not "ask us before he invaded". You have bought into the lie. Saddam told our ambassador that the Kuwaiti crown prince was going to negotiate with Iraq over the dispute. He lied.

I knew someone would say this. I remember at the time the US Ambassador to gods knows whom was informed of Saddam's intentions ahead of time, on the invasion of Kuwait. So I looked that up, to refresh my memory. April Gillespie. It really gets muddy, but we sure as hell knew of Saddams intentions visa vis Kuwait ahead of time and should have addressed it then in a diplomatic matter. Iraq was supposedly a ally of ours, we could have used a little more finesse.

So now you can see that your previous statement is not true? He didn't ask our permission and we did not give it to him.

Ok, we agree to disagree. I'm reasonably sure of my assertion. I will look further into it. But on another note, one significant to ME, is the fact I saw us preparing for war in the middle east months before the official announced invasion of Kuwait . I know it's anecdotal and proves nothing. And the military doesn't just do stuff on whims and whimsies. So, color me skeptical on the necessity of desert storm. Our government prepared for it months in advance. Or was it just a coincidence?

We were always preparing for a war in the Middle East. In the months before the war, my cruiser was escorting the USS Forrestal conducting workups and carrier qualifications. Is that the type of preparation you are talking about? We didn't deploy until the ground war was over.

 

[MaryL]

I never understood why Bush attacked Iraq ("Desert Storm" 1990) to begin with. It was avoidable. Yes, it was, before people roll their eyes or get nasty, Saddam asked us BEFORE he invaded Kuwait. And we could have at least diplomatically said HELL NO. And Bush's remark on islam, he sort stuck his foot in his mouth. Islam is the most hyper aggressive threat to humanity and free thought I can think of...

No, he did not "ask us before he invaded". You have bought into the lie. Saddam told our ambassador that the Kuwaiti crown prince was going to negotiate with Iraq over the dispute. He lied.

I knew someone would say this. I remember at the time the US Ambassador to gods knows whom was informed of Saddam's intentions ahead of time, on the invasion of Kuwait. So I looked that up, to refresh my memory. April Gillespie. It really gets muddy, but we sure as hell knew of Saddams intentions visa vis Kuwait ahead of time and should have addressed it then in a diplomatic matter. Iraq was supposedly a ally of ours, we could have used a little more finesse.

So now you can see that your previous statement is not true? He didn't ask our permission and we did not give it to him.

Ok, we agree to disagree. I'm reasonably sure of my assertion. I will look further into it. But on another note, one significant to ME, is the fact I saw us preparing for war in the middle east months before the official announced invasion of Kuwait . I know it's anecdotal and proves nothing. And the military doesn't just do stuff on whims and whimsies. So, color me skeptical on the necessity of desert storm. Our government prepared for it months in advance. Or was it just a coincidence?

We were always preparing for a war in the Middle East. In the months before the war, my cruiser was escorting the USS Forrestal conducting workups and carrier qualifications. Is that the type of preparation you are talking about? We didn't deploy until the ground war was over.

Let me elaborate. I am not in the military. The shipping industry, quite a different thing. I am sure that Generals don't tell you what their directives are from the Commander in chief. Do they? Let me give you my perspective: I worked at the time in the shipping industry, leave it at that. I saw all sorts of things. Primarily, the military used to ship via rail various sorts of equipment. All painted NATO green, east to Europe. Follow me? So in early 90' I start seeing trainloads of exotic military equipment painted DESERT TAN .That was ..well, extraordinary at the time. Train load after trainload going west, the opposite direction. I knew something was up then, There has to be manifests and records in the upsurge in military activity. I can't be the only person that noticed that at the time...So that indicated to me that somebody somewhere KNEW ahead of time something and was preparing for it. For me that's what gamblers call a "tell".

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No, he did not "ask us before he invaded". You have bought into the lie. Saddam told our ambassador that the Kuwaiti crown prince was going to negotiate with Iraq over the dispute. He lied.

I knew someone would say this. I remember at the time the US Ambassador to gods knows whom was informed of Saddam's intentions ahead of time, on the invasion of Kuwait. So I looked that up, to refresh my memory. April Gillespie. It really gets muddy, but we sure as hell knew of Saddams intentions visa vis Kuwait ahead of time and should have addressed it then in a diplomatic matter. Iraq was supposedly a ally of ours, we could have used a little more finesse.

So now you can see that your previous statement is not true? He didn't ask our permission and we did not give it to him.

Ok, we agree to disagree. I'm reasonably sure of my assertion. I will look further into it. But on another note, one significant to ME, is the fact I saw us preparing for war in the middle east months before the official announced invasion of Kuwait . I know it's anecdotal and proves nothing. And the military doesn't just do stuff on whims and whimsies. So, color me skeptical on the necessity of desert storm. Our government prepared for it months in advance. Or was it just a coincidence?

We were always preparing for a war in the Middle East. In the months before the war, my cruiser was escorting the USS Forrestal conducting workups and carrier qualifications. Is that the type of preparation you are talking about? We didn't deploy until the ground war was over.

Let me elaborate. I am not in the military. The shipping industry, quite a different thing. I am sure that Generals don't tell you what their directives are from the Commander in chief. Do they? Let me give you my perspective: I worked at the time in the shipping industry, leave it at that. I saw all sorts of things. Primarily, the military used to ship via rail various sorts of equipment. All painted NATO green, east to Europe. Follow me? So in early 90' I start seeing trainloads of exotic military equipment painted DESERT TAN .That was ..well, extraordinary at the time. Train load after trainload going west, the opposite direction. I knew something was up then, There has to be manifests and records in the upsurge in military activity. I can't be the only person that noticed that at the time...

22 Jul 90 Egypt's Mubarak goes to Baghdad to mediate dispute, says he received Saddam's "assurances" that Iraq would not move against Kuwait.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a234743.pdf

Note the date.

 

[MaryL]

I knew someone would say this. I remember at the time the US Ambassador to gods knows whom was informed of Saddam's intentions ahead of time, on the invasion of Kuwait. So I looked that up, to refresh my memory. April Gillespie. It really gets muddy, but we sure as hell knew of Saddams intentions visa vis Kuwait ahead of time and should have addressed it then in a diplomatic matter. Iraq was supposedly a ally of ours, we could have used a little more finesse.

So now you can see that your previous statement is not true? He didn't ask our permission and we did not give it to him.

Ok, we agree to disagree. I'm reasonably sure of my assertion. I will look further into it. But on another note, one significant to ME, is the fact I saw us preparing for war in the middle east months before the official announced invasion of Kuwait . I know it's anecdotal and proves nothing. And the military doesn't just do stuff on whims and whimsies. So, color me skeptical on the necessity of desert storm. Our government prepared for it months in advance. Or was it just a coincidence?

We were always preparing for a war in the Middle East. In the months before the war, my cruiser was escorting the USS Forrestal conducting workups and carrier qualifications. Is that the type of preparation you are talking about? We didn't deploy until the ground war was over.

Let me elaborate. I am not in the military. The shipping industry, quite a different thing. I am sure that Generals don't tell you what their directives are from the Commander in chief. Do they? Let me give you my perspective: I worked at the time in the shipping industry, leave it at that. I saw all sorts of things. Primarily, the military used to ship via rail various sorts of equipment. All painted NATO green, east to Europe. Follow me? So in early 90' I start seeing trainloads of exotic military equipment painted DESERT TAN .That was ..well, extraordinary at the time. Train load after trainload going west, the opposite direction. I knew something was up then, There has to be manifests and records in the upsurge in military activity. I can't be the only person that noticed that at the time...

22 Jul 90 Egypt's Mubarak goes to Baghdad to mediate dispute, says he received Saddam's "assurances" that Iraq would not move against Kuwait.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a234743.pdf

Note the date.

There is two ways of looking at this. The official version, or that down and dirty antidotal things that see things aren't adding up to the official version . I know what I saw, and the war in Iraq seemed contrived. And the other thing, why do we cover for Saudi Arabia? Which is the larger issue, 9/11 was committed by Saudis. A human rights violation and an mass atrocity? Saudi Arabia this, the oil industry THAT. Bush big oil money. Saudi Arabia attacked us on 9/11. We let that slide. THAT is BUSH's legacy. Instead, we invade Iraq on the flimsiest of reasons. WMDs weren't there, hell, we didn't let the UN investigate that and validate those claims. Nope. So I am left in the lurch. And now, Saudi prince kills a outspoken critic (Khashoggi) and that is acceptable by the body politic, because that's acceptable. Apparently our leadership under Bush thought the mass murder of 3000 Americans was acceptable, too that really bothers ME as an American. That should bother all of you, too.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So now you can see that your previous statement is not true? He didn't ask our permission and we did not give it to him.

Ok, we agree to disagree. I'm reasonably sure of my assertion. I will look further into it. But on another note, one significant to ME, is the fact I saw us preparing for war in the middle east months before the official announced invasion of Kuwait . I know it's anecdotal and proves nothing. And the military doesn't just do stuff on whims and whimsies. So, color me skeptical on the necessity of desert storm. Our government prepared for it months in advance. Or was it just a coincidence?

We were always preparing for a war in the Middle East. In the months before the war, my cruiser was escorting the USS Forrestal conducting workups and carrier qualifications. Is that the type of preparation you are talking about? We didn't deploy until the ground war was over.

Let me elaborate. I am not in the military. The shipping industry, quite a different thing. I am sure that Generals don't tell you what their directives are from the Commander in chief. Do they? Let me give you my perspective: I worked at the time in the shipping industry, leave it at that. I saw all sorts of things. Primarily, the military used to ship via rail various sorts of equipment. All painted NATO green, east to Europe. Follow me? So in early 90' I start seeing trainloads of exotic military equipment painted DESERT TAN .That was ..well, extraordinary at the time. Train load after trainload going west, the opposite direction. I knew something was up then, There has to be manifests and records in the upsurge in military activity. I can't be the only person that noticed that at the time...

22 Jul 90 Egypt's Mubarak goes to Baghdad to mediate dispute, says he received Saddam's "assurances" that Iraq would not move against Kuwait.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a234743.pdf

Note the date.

There is two ways of looking at this. The official version, or that down and dirty antidotal things that see things aren't adding up to the official version . I know what I saw, and the war in Iraq seemed contrived. And the other thing, why do we cover for Saudi Arabia? Which is the larger issue, 9/11 was committed by Saudis. A human rights violation and an mass atrocity? Saudi Arabia this, the oil industry THAT. Bush big oil money. Saudi Arabia attacked us on 9/11. We let that slide. THAT is BUSH's legacy. Instead, we invade Iraq on the flimsiest of reasons. WMDs weren't there, hell, we didn't let the Un investigate that and validate those claims. So I am left in the lurch. A Saudi prince kills Kasoggi and that is acceptable by the body politic, because that's acceptable. Apparently our leadership under Bush though the mass murder of 3000 Americans was acceptable, too that really bothers ME as an American.

Saudi Arabia did not attack us on 9/11.

We did not invade Iraq until 18 months AFTER 9/11.

The Iraqis would not let the UN inspect anything!

Where do you get those silly ideas?

BTW, the word is "anecdotal".

 

[MacTheKnife]

I never understood why Bush attacked Iraq ("Desert Storm" 1990) to begin with. It was avoidable. Yes, it was, before people roll their eyes or get nasty, Saddam asked us BEFORE he invaded Kuwait. And we could have at least diplomatically said HELL NO. And Bush's remark on islam, he sort stuck his foot in his mouth. Islam is the most hyper aggressive threat to humanity and free thought I can think of...

I never understood why Bush attacked Iraq ("Desert Storm" 1990) to begin with. It was avoidable. Yes, it was, before people roll their eyes or get nasty, Saddam asked us BEFORE he invaded Kuwait. And we could have at least diplomatically said HELL NO. And Bush's remark on islam, he sort stuck his foot in his mouth. Islam is the most hyper aggressive threat to humanity and free thought I can think of...

ARCHIVES | 1990
CONFRONTATION IN THE GULF; U.S. Gave Iraq Little Reason Not to Mount Kuwait Assault
By ELAINE SCIOLINO WITH MICHAEL R. GORDON and SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMESSEPT. 23, 1990

• In the two weeks before Iraq's seizure of Kuwait, the Bush Administration on the advice of Arab leaders gave President Saddam Hussein little reason to fear a forceful American response if his troops invaded the country.
  
  The Administration's message to Baghdad, articulated in public statements in Washington by senior policy makers and delivered directly to Mr. Hussein by the United States Ambassador, April C. Glaspie, was this: The United States was concerned about Iraq's military buildup on its border with Kuwait, but did not intend to take sides in what it perceived as a no-win border dispute between Arab neighbors.
  
  In a meeting with Mr. Hussein in Baghdad on July 25, eight days before the invasion, Ms. Glaspie urged the Iraqi leader to settle his differences with Kuwait peacefully but added, ''We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait,'' according to an Iraqi document described as a transcript of their conversation.
  
  Details of U.S. Diplomacy
  
  Portions of the document, prepared in Arabic by the Iraqi Government, were translated and broadcast by ABC News on Sept. 11 and were the basis of accounts by The Washington Post and The Guardian of London. The State Department declined to confirm the accuracy of the document, but officials did not dispute Ms. Glaspie's essential message.
  
  As those and other details of the Administration's diplomacy have unfolded in recent weeks, its handling of Iraq before the invasion has begun to draw strong criticism in Congress, even among those who generally support the Administration's military action in the Persian Gulf. Some lawmakers have asserted that the Administration conveyed a sense of indifference to Baghdad's threats.

CONFRONTATION IN THE GULF; U.S. Gave Iraq Little Reason Not to Mount Kuwait Assault


P.S. This format sucks. Why is this the only message board that persists in having such a ridiculous format i.e. all the little arrow thingies pointing upwards. Distorts and confuses the entire thread.

 

[Syriusly]

I never understood why Bush attacked Iraq ("Desert Storm" 1990) to begin with. It was avoidable. Yes, it was, before people roll their eyes or get nasty, Saddam asked us BEFORE he invaded Kuwait. And we could have at least diplomatically said HELL NO. And Bush's remark on islam, he sort stuck his foot in his mouth. Islam is the most hyper aggressive threat to humanity and free thought I can think of...

Wrong Bush.
Wrong war.

And Bush's remark on Islam was one his finest moments after 9/11
September 20, 2001

I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I never understood why Bush attacked Iraq ("Desert Storm" 1990) to begin with. It was avoidable. Yes, it was, before people roll their eyes or get nasty, Saddam asked us BEFORE he invaded Kuwait. And we could have at least diplomatically said HELL NO. And Bush's remark on islam, he sort stuck his foot in his mouth. Islam is the most hyper aggressive threat to humanity and free thought I can think of...

I never understood why Bush attacked Iraq ("Desert Storm" 1990) to begin with. It was avoidable. Yes, it was, before people roll their eyes or get nasty, Saddam asked us BEFORE he invaded Kuwait. And we could have at least diplomatically said HELL NO. And Bush's remark on islam, he sort stuck his foot in his mouth. Islam is the most hyper aggressive threat to humanity and free thought I can think of...

ARCHIVES | 1990
CONFRONTATION IN THE GULF; U.S. Gave Iraq Little Reason Not to Mount Kuwait Assault
By ELAINE SCIOLINO WITH MICHAEL R. GORDON and SPECIAL TO THE NEW YORK TIMESSEPT. 23, 1990

• In the two weeks before Iraq's seizure of Kuwait, the Bush Administration on the advice of Arab leaders gave President Saddam Hussein little reason to fear a forceful American response if his troops invaded the country.
  
  The Administration's message to Baghdad, articulated in public statements in Washington by senior policy makers and delivered directly to Mr. Hussein by the United States Ambassador, April C. Glaspie, was this: The United States was concerned about Iraq's military buildup on its border with Kuwait, but did not intend to take sides in what it perceived as a no-win border dispute between Arab neighbors.
  
  In a meeting with Mr. Hussein in Baghdad on July 25, eight days before the invasion, Ms. Glaspie urged the Iraqi leader to settle his differences with Kuwait peacefully but added, ''We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait,'' according to an Iraqi document described as a transcript of their conversation.
  
  Details of U.S. Diplomacy
  
  Portions of the document, prepared in Arabic by the Iraqi Government, were translated and broadcast by ABC News on Sept. 11 and were the basis of accounts by The Washington Post and The Guardian of London. The State Department declined to confirm the accuracy of the document, but officials did not dispute Ms. Glaspie's essential message.
  
  As those and other details of the Administration's diplomacy have unfolded in recent weeks, its handling of Iraq before the invasion has begun to draw strong criticism in Congress, even among those who generally support the Administration's military action in the Persian Gulf. Some lawmakers have asserted that the Administration conveyed a sense of indifference to Baghdad's threats.

CONFRONTATION IN THE GULF; U.S. Gave Iraq Little Reason Not to Mount Kuwait Assault

You did not read the quote or link that I provided, did you?

 

[MaryL]

Ok, we agree to disagree. I'm reasonably sure of my assertion. I will look further into it. But on another note, one significant to ME, is the fact I saw us preparing for war in the middle east months before the official announced invasion of Kuwait . I know it's anecdotal and proves nothing. And the military doesn't just do stuff on whims and whimsies. So, color me skeptical on the necessity of desert storm. Our government prepared for it months in advance. Or was it just a coincidence?

We were always preparing for a war in the Middle East. In the months before the war, my cruiser was escorting the USS Forrestal conducting workups and carrier qualifications. Is that the type of preparation you are talking about? We didn't deploy until the ground war was over.

Let me elaborate. I am not in the military. The shipping industry, quite a different thing. I am sure that Generals don't tell you what their directives are from the Commander in chief. Do they? Let me give you my perspective: I worked at the time in the shipping industry, leave it at that. I saw all sorts of things. Primarily, the military used to ship via rail various sorts of equipment. All painted NATO green, east to Europe. Follow me? So in early 90' I start seeing trainloads of exotic military equipment painted DESERT TAN .That was ..well, extraordinary at the time. Train load after trainload going west, the opposite direction. I knew something was up then, There has to be manifests and records in the upsurge in military activity. I can't be the only person that noticed that at the time...

22 Jul 90 Egypt's Mubarak goes to Baghdad to mediate dispute, says he received Saddam's "assurances" that Iraq would not move against Kuwait.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a234743.pdf

Note the date.

There is two ways of looking at this. The official version, or that down and dirty antidotal things that see things aren't adding up to the official version . I know what I saw, and the war in Iraq seemed contrived. And the other thing, why do we cover for Saudi Arabia? Which is the larger issue, 9/11 was committed by Saudis. A human rights violation and an mass atrocity? Saudi Arabia this, the oil industry THAT. Bush big oil money. Saudi Arabia attacked us on 9/11. We let that slide. THAT is BUSH's legacy. Instead, we invade Iraq on the flimsiest of reasons. WMDs weren't there, hell, we didn't let the Un investigate that and validate those claims. So I am left in the lurch. A Saudi prince kills Kasoggi and that is acceptable by the body politic, because that's acceptable. Apparently our leadership under Bush though the mass murder of 3000 Americans was acceptable, too that really bothers ME as an American.

Saudi Arabia did not attack us on 9/11.

We did not invade Iraq until 18 months AFTER 9/11.

The Iraqis would not let the UN inspect anything!

Where do you get those silly ideas?

BTW, the word is "anecdotal".

The key word is you are deluded or a shill. Or something I have no word for. The Oil industry is running America, and the Bush family didn't get their money selling tickets at the carnival. Common, Saudi Arabia was behind 9/11. When Japan did that sneak attack in 1941. we didn't try to hide that, we didn't wring our hands and blame someone else either. No, instead, we actually went after the bad guys. After 2001? We genuflect, we divert, we avoid. We tippy toe, and you are doing it now. WHY? Never mind, forget I asked.

 

[MacTheKnife]

I never understood why Bush attacked Iraq ("Desert Storm" 1990) to begin with. It was avoidable. Yes, it was, before people roll their eyes or get nasty, Saddam asked us BEFORE he invaded Kuwait. And we could have at least diplomatically said HELL NO. And Bush's remark on islam, he sort stuck his foot in his mouth. Islam is the most hyper aggressive threat to humanity and free thought I can think of...

Wrong Bush.
Wrong war.

And Bush's remark on Islam was one his finest moments after 9/11
September 20, 2001

I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith. It's practiced freely by many millions of Americans and by millions more in countries that America counts as friends. Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah. The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself. The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them.

You are mouthing islamic propaganda and obviously easily coinfused having no analytical ability to understand the reality of the Islamic Jihad against the west.

You are entitled to your opinion but that is all you have and it is not enough.

A clue to the clueless........the islamic fanatics swim in the ocean of Islam like fish swim in the sea....the world wide muslim community enables them to committ their horrendous acts of violence all across the world.

Former C.I.A. officer............stop calling Islam a religion of peace.




List of Islamic Terror Attacks

 

[MaryL]

You people are amazing. Really. So I won't bother anymore. GW Bush was a sweet man and I wish him well in the afterlife. Happy?

 

[MacTheKnife]

You people are amazing. Really. So I won't bother anymore. GW Bush was a sweet man and I wish him well in the afterlife. Happy?

The battle against Islamic terrorism is not for the faint of heart.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We were always preparing for a war in the Middle East. In the months before the war, my cruiser was escorting the USS Forrestal conducting workups and carrier qualifications. Is that the type of preparation you are talking about? We didn't deploy until the ground war was over.

Let me elaborate. I am not in the military. The shipping industry, quite a different thing. I am sure that Generals don't tell you what their directives are from the Commander in chief. Do they? Let me give you my perspective: I worked at the time in the shipping industry, leave it at that. I saw all sorts of things. Primarily, the military used to ship via rail various sorts of equipment. All painted NATO green, east to Europe. Follow me? So in early 90' I start seeing trainloads of exotic military equipment painted DESERT TAN .That was ..well, extraordinary at the time. Train load after trainload going west, the opposite direction. I knew something was up then, There has to be manifests and records in the upsurge in military activity. I can't be the only person that noticed that at the time...

22 Jul 90 Egypt's Mubarak goes to Baghdad to mediate dispute, says he received Saddam's "assurances" that Iraq would not move against Kuwait.

https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a234743.pdf

Note the date.

There is two ways of looking at this. The official version, or that down and dirty antidotal things that see things aren't adding up to the official version . I know what I saw, and the war in Iraq seemed contrived. And the other thing, why do we cover for Saudi Arabia? Which is the larger issue, 9/11 was committed by Saudis. A human rights violation and an mass atrocity? Saudi Arabia this, the oil industry THAT. Bush big oil money. Saudi Arabia attacked us on 9/11. We let that slide. THAT is BUSH's legacy. Instead, we invade Iraq on the flimsiest of reasons. WMDs weren't there, hell, we didn't let the Un investigate that and validate those claims. So I am left in the lurch. A Saudi prince kills Kasoggi and that is acceptable by the body politic, because that's acceptable. Apparently our leadership under Bush though the mass murder of 3000 Americans was acceptable, too that really bothers ME as an American.

Saudi Arabia did not attack us on 9/11.

We did not invade Iraq until 18 months AFTER 9/11.

The Iraqis would not let the UN inspect anything!

Where do you get those silly ideas?

BTW, the word is "anecdotal".

The key word is you are deluded or a shill. Or something I have no word for. The Oil industry is running America, and the Bush family didn't get their money selling tickets at the carnival. Common, Saudi Arabia was behind 9/11. When Japan did that sneak attack in 1941. we didn't try to hide that, we didn't wring our hands and blame someone else either. No, instead, we actually went after the bad guys. After 2001? We genuflect, we divert, we avoid. We tippy toe, and you are doing it now. WHY?

This is the CDZ. I suggest you take a chill pill.

Was Osama bin Laden behind the 9/11 terrorist attacks? Yes.

Was he a Saudi? Yes.

Was he sponsored by the Saudi royal family in any way? No. They threw him out of the country.

Was Pearl Harbor an attack by the Japanese military on the US? Yes.

Were the 9/11 attacks in any way connected to the Saudi government? No.

Was Al Qaeda responsible? Yes.

Are they a government? No. They are a terrorist organization.

Where was Al Qaeda hiding and protected by the government of that country? Afghanistan.

Who did we attack shortly after 9/11? Afghanistan.

 

[MaryL]

You people are amazing. Really. So I won't bother anymore. GW Bush was a sweet man and I wish him well in the afterlife. Happy?

The battle against Islamic terrorism is not for the faint of heart.

So ignoring that Saudi Arabia attacked us on 9/11 and attacking Iraq instead. That is really addressing Islamic terrorism. Bully.