The War on Journalism

[Manonthestreet]

journalists have done more damage to their trade than anything else....period end of story.

 

[Pogo]

Trump has had several lame comments on this subject to be sure. On the other hand, ruining the economy over one person seems a pretty high price to pay. I find most journalists, are not. They are socialists with a mission. It would be great if we had journalists.

How many journalists do you actually know?

 

[pismoe]

Trump has had several lame comments on this subject to be sure. On the other hand, ruining the economy over one person seems a pretty high price to pay. I find most journalists, are not. They are socialists with a mission. It would be great if we had journalists.

I think that the claim it would ruin the economy is a straw man. The Saudi’s by 99.9% of their weapons systems from us. These are complex proprietary systems. Russian systems don’t talk to Chinese systems don’t talk to American systems etc. The Saudi’s have invested billions into our systems, they are not going to start from scratch with another supplier.

The other question is...are you proposing we give Carter Blanche to them? They can do whatever they want in the territory of another ally, Turkey? When do we take a stand?

Does journalistic freedom mean anything to you? I don’t like all journalists and reporting, but where do you draw the line? Authoritarianism vs a free media. And a free media is the only check on governments.

I think it is up to Turkey to take care of problems in Turkey. The Saudis are under no pressure to buy anything this year or next. That is billions lost. Also there is this thing called oil....

So we don’t stand for anything?

---------------------------- TRUMP will decide what America stands for Coyote .

 

[pismoe]

Reporters Without Borders ranks Norway as best and N Korea the worst for journalistic freedom (no surprise there). It ranks Mexico as the second most deadly country. Mexico and Central America suffer heavy corruption from organized crime and trafficking. Journalists attempting to investigate it are frequent targerpts for murder.

------------------------------------ i think that these journalist targets freely signed up for their jobs Coyote .

 

[AvgGuyIA]

The abduction and likely death of Kashoggi. A surprisingly sycophantic attitude from an American President known for cosying to autocrats. It must be “rogue assassins”...or something. Or something.

To abduct a person from a consulate on another nation’s territory...against that nation’s laws, represents a new and much more dangerous assault on journalistic freedom. In fact...I think it is unheard of. And it puts the US in a tricky position. Saudi Arabia is our ally. But a free media and the rights of journalists to report, and to hold their governments responsible has long been an underpinning of American Democracy. We have censored allies before for bad behavior...withheld sales for example.

We are witnessing a demise journalistic freedomof around the world journalists are being threatened, killed and jailed for trying to do their jobs. They depend on bigger more powerful countries to look out for their rights should authoritarian states come down on them.

If we kow tow to the Saudi’s over this, what does that tell other dictators and what does it say to our values?

#repealFOTP

 

[Tilly]

Turkey now has a worse record than China for its abuse of journalists (among other people). Nobody seems to care.

 

[pismoe]

A year after Gauri Lankesh murder, no end to attacks on journalists | Major cases of 2018

A year has passed by since senior journalist Gauri Lankesh was murdered outside her home in Bengaluru. The investigation is on, nearly 10 people have been arrested but the masterminds behind the attack are still at large. The nationwide outrage after Lankesh's murder has however failed to change the situation on the ground as journalists continue to be attacked and threatened across the country.

The deteriorating freedom of press in India was also highlighted by Reporters Without Borders in its annual report on freedom of speech across the world. India's rank fell by two positions from 136 in 2017 to 138 in 2018 in regards to independence enjoyed by the press. The report places India as one of the most dangerous place for journalists to work in.

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[skye]

If only y'all had been as shook up about the dead AMERICANS in Benghazi.

Totally agree!

Or when Seth Rich was murdered in the heart of Washington D.C.


Talk about fake journalism!

Picking and choosing your crimes to suit your political agenda is NOT journalism.

 

[bodecea]

If only y'all had been as shook up about the dead AMERICANS in Benghazi.

Hey...a great idea...let's do the same thing...8 Congressional investigations on this. Sounds good.

 

[Oddball]

I don't imagine the name Charyl Atkisson has come up, huh?....Daniel Pearl, anyone?

War on journalism indeed.

 

[bodecea]

Trump has had several lame comments on this subject to be sure. On the other hand, ruining the economy over one person seems a pretty high price to pay. I find most journalists, are not. They are socialists with a mission. It would be great if we had journalists.

I think that the claim it would ruin the economy is a straw man. The Saudi’s by 99.9% of their weapons systems from us. These are complex proprietary systems. Russian systems don’t talk to Chinese systems don’t talk to American systems etc. The Saudi’s have invested billions into our systems, they are not going to start from scratch with another supplier.

The other question is...are you proposing we give Carter Blanche to them? They can do whatever they want in the territory of another ally, Turkey? When do we take a stand?

Does journalistic freedom mean anything to you? I don’t like all journalists and reporting, but where do you draw the line? Authoritarianism vs a free media. And a free media is the only check on governments.

I think it is up to Turkey to take care of problems in Turkey. The Saudis are under no pressure to buy anything this year or next. That is billions lost. Also there is this thing called oil....

So we don’t stand for anything?

Not with tiny trump in "charge".

 

[Oddball]

If only y'all had been as shook up about the dead AMERICANS in Benghazi.

Hey...a great idea...let's do the same thing...8 Congressional investigations on this. Sounds good.

What difference does it make?

 

[Coyote]

Turkey now has a worse record than China for its abuse of journalists (among other people). Nobody seems to care.

Actually a lot do care. Under Erdogon they have jailed huge numbers of journalists, dissidents and government critics. But the Saudi’s are not any better and until now their wealth and oil power has insulated them from much international criticism. Egypt is also right up there.

 

[Coyote]

If only y'all had been as shook up about the dead AMERICANS in Benghazi.

Totally agree!

Or when Seth Rich was murdered in the heart of Washington D.C.


Talk about fake journalism!

Picking and choosing your crimes to suit your political agenda is NOT journalism.

Reporting on fake crimes is not good journalism.

 

[skye]

If only y'all had been as shook up about the dead AMERICANS in Benghazi.

Totally agree!

Or when Seth Rich was murdered in the heart of Washington D.C.


Talk about fake journalism!

Picking and choosing your crimes to suit your political agenda is NOT journalism.

Reporting on fake crimes is not good journalism.

No it's not.

So where is the fake crime??

 

[bodecea]

Hatred of Journalism threatens democracies.

RSF Index 2018: Hatred of journalism threatens democracies

The climate of hatred is steadily more visible in the Index, which evaluates the level of press freedom in 180 countries each year. Hostility towards the media from political leaders is no longer limited to authoritarian countries such as Turkey (down two at 157th) and Egypt (161st), where “media-phobia” is now so pronounced that journalists are routinely accused of terrorism and all those who don’t offer loyalty are arbitrarily imprisoned.

More and more democratically-elected leaders no longer see the media as part of democracy’s essential underpinning, but as an adversary to which they openly display their aversion. The United States, the country of the First Amendment, has fallen again in the Index under Donald Trump, this time two places to 45th. A media-bashing enthusiast, Trump has referred to reporters “enemies of the people,” the term once used by Joseph Stalin.

The line separating verbal violence from physical violence is dissolving. In the Philippines (down six at 133rd), President Rodrigo Duterte not only constantly insults reporters but has also warned them that they “are not exempted from assassination.” In India (down two at 138th), hate speech targeting journalists is shared and amplified on social networks, often by troll armies in Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s pay. In each of these countries, at least four journalists were gunned down in cold blood in the space of a year.


Verbal violence from politicians against the media is also on the rise in Europe, although it is the region that respects press freedom most. In the Czech Republic (down 11 at 34th), President Milos Zeman turned up at a press conference with a fake Kalashnikov inscribed with the words “for journalists.” In Slovakia, (down 10 at 27th), then Prime Minister Robert Fico called journalists “filthy anti-Slovak prostitutes” and “idiotic hyenas.” A Slovak reporter, Ján Kuciak, was shot dead in his home in February 2018, just four months after another European journalist, Daphne Caruana Galizia, was killed by a targeted car-bombing in Malta (down 18 at 65th).

The unleashing of hatred towards journalists is one of the worst threats to democracies,” RSF secretary-general Christophe Deloire said. “Political leaders who fuel loathing for reporters bear heavy responsibility because they undermine the concept of public debate based on facts instead of propaganda. To dispute the legitimacy of journalism today is to play with extremely dangerous political fire.”

The media in this country has declared war on the President and the REpublicans.



Whining about Trump fighting back makes libs look like babies. Spoiled babies not used to not getting their own way, all the time.

"The media in this country has declared war on..." tiny trump.

So it's ok to kill them?

 

[Tilly]

Khashoggi was pals with bin Laden, a former member of the Muslim Brotherhood (listed as a terrorist organisation in SA), and more recently he formed a group which agitates for ‘Arab Springs’ - in SA among other countries.
I don’t believe ‘journalist’ was formost among the reasons he was allegedly murdered. And I still don’t get why the alleged murder of such a man gets people more agitated than any of the other murders and mass murders of innocent people - including children.

 

[eagle1462010]

Record number of journalists jailed as Turkey, China, Egypt pay scant price for repression

In its annual prison census, CPJ found 262 journalists behind bars around the world in relation to their work, a new record after a historical high of 259 last year. The worst three jailers are responsible for jailing 134--or 51 percent--of the total. CPJ has been conducting an annual survey of journalists in jail since the early 1990s.



Despite releasing some journalists in 2017, Turkey remains the world’s worst jailer for the second consecutive year, with 73 journalists behind bars, compared with 81 last year. Dozens more still face trial, and fresh arrests take place regularly. In several other cases in Turkey, CPJ was unable to establish a link to journalism. Other press freedom groups using a different methodology have higher numbers. Every journalist CPJ found jailed for their work in Turkey is under investigation for, or charged with, anti-state crimes, as was true of last year’s census.

Venezuela

 

[bodecea]

Trump has had several lame comments on this subject to be sure. On the other hand, ruining the economy over one person seems a pretty high price to pay. I find most journalists, are not. They are socialists with a mission. It would be great if we had journalists.

I think that the claim it would ruin the economy is a straw man. The Saudi’s by 99.9% of their weapons systems from us. These are complex proprietary systems. Russian systems don’t talk to Chinese systems don’t talk to American systems etc. The Saudi’s have invested billions into our systems, they are not going to start from scratch with another supplier.

The other question is...are you proposing we give Carter Blanche to them? They can do whatever they want in the territory of another ally, Turkey? When do we take a stand?

Does journalistic freedom mean anything to you? I don’t like all journalists and reporting, but where do you draw the line? Authoritarianism vs a free media. And a free media is the only check on governments.

I think it is up to Turkey to take care of problems in Turkey. The Saudis are under no pressure to buy anything this year or next. That is billions lost. Also there is this thing called oil....

So we don’t stand for anything?

---------------------------- TRUMP will decide what America stands for Coyote .

Fascinating......it's as if we no longer had any national pride....or a Constitution.

 

[eagle1462010]

Khashoggi was pals with bin Laden, a former member of the Muslim Brotherhood (listed as a terrorist organisation in SA), and more recently he formed a group which agitates for ‘Arab Springs’ - in SA among other countries.
I don’t believe ‘journalist’ was formost among the reasons he was allegedly murdered. And I still don’t get why the alleged murder of such a man gets people more agitated than any of the other murders and mass murders of innocent people - including children.

Election time..........most of the posts coming out are anti Trump threads.........

Coyote is actually focusing on the issue from more of a middle of the road thread.