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" [We] will keep them (the skeptics) out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"
~Phil Jones, the director of the East Anglia climate center.
Yeah....No cover-up to see here!
" [We] will keep them (the skeptics) out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"
~Phil Jones, the director of the East Anglia climate center.
Yeah....No cover-up to see here!
That's it? You've got to have something else. If Fat Boy Rush ain't jumping all over this, something does not line up...
Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,
Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or first thing tomorrow. I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd [sic] from1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual land and marine values while theother two got April-Sept for NH land N of
20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999 for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.
Thanks for the comments, Ray.
Cheers, Phil
Keith,
Thanks for your consideration. Once I get a draft of the central and southern siberian data and talk to Stepan and Eugene I’ll send it to you.
I really wish I could be more positive about the Kyrgyzstan material, but I swear I pulled every trick out of my sleeve trying to milk something out of that. It was pretty funny though – I told Malcolm what you said about my possibly being too Graybill-like in evaluating the response functions – he laughed and said that’s what he thought at first also. The data’s tempting but there’s too much variation even within stands. I don’t think it’d be productive to try and juggle the chronology statistics any more than I already have – they just are what they are (that does sound Graybillian). I think I’ll have to look for an option where I can let this little story go as it is.
Not having seen the sites I can only speculate, but I’d be optimistic if someone could get back there and spend more time collecting samples, particularly at the upper elevations.
Yeah, I doubt I’ll be over your way anytime soon. Too bad, I’d like to get together with you and Ed for a beer or two. Probably someday though.
Cheers, Gary
Yes, it's been posted on this thread several times. But I understand your reluctance to actually think beyond the drooling, birther mindset.Ame®icano;1751565 said:Anyone has any idea what words hide the decline means?
You mean, "Now that they have had time to come up with a spin that their sycophant idiots out there will believe and regurgitate..."Well, now that the scientists have had time to start answering the criminal hack of their private e-mails, we will see the e-mails in context.
Yes, it's been posted on this thread several times. But I understand your reluctance to actually think beyond the drooling, birther mindset.Ame®icano;1751565 said:Anyone has any idea what words hide the decline means?
Well, now that the scientists have had time to start answering the criminal hack of their private e-mails, we will see the e-mails in context.
One thing that this has acheived, other than having braindead denialists having little and big orgasms all over themselves, is to unite the scientific community on this attack on their integrity.
Lets look at one of the illegally hacked emails in more detail the one by NCARs Kevin Trenberth on where the heck is global warming? « Climate Progress
The answer to the question where the heck is global warming? is precisely where you would expect, as we will see.
Wired has done some excellent reporting on one of the supposed start-dumping-your-clean-energy-stocks e-mails the one by Kevin Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) in Boulder, Colorado:
Well I have my own article on where the heck is global warming? We are asking that here in Boulder where we have broken records the past two days for the coldest days on record. We had 4 inches of snow. The high the last 2 days was below 30F and the normal is 69F, and it smashed the previous records for these days by 10F. The low was about 18F and also a record low, well below the previous record low .
The fact is that we cant account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we cant. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.
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But Trenberth, who acknowledged the e-mail is genuine, says bloggers are missing the point hes making in the e-mail by not reading the article cited in it. That article An Imperative for Climate Change Planning (.pdf) actually says that global warming is continuing, despite random temperature variations that would seem to suggest otherwise.
It says we dont have an observing system adequate to track it, but there are all other kinds of signs aside from global mean temperatures including melting of Arctic sea ice and rising sea levels and a lot of other indicators that global warming is continuing, he says.
Or, as Gavin Schmidt explains deep in the comments section of RealClimate, when asked Is Dr Trenberth correct in his claim that we cant explain why the planet hasnt been warming as expected?
[Response: It is the level of explanation that is the issue. The zero-th order explanation is that 'natural variation' and possible structural issues in the surface data sets are plenty large enough. But it would be good to know exactly what form that natural variation has taken and why exactly it has the impact on the global mean temperatures it has. It is this second-order explanation that Trenberth is discussing. - gavin]
I would urge people to read Trenberths article, which asks:
The global mean temperature in 2008 was the lowest since about 2000 (Fig. 1). Given that there is continual heating of the planet, referred to as radiative forcing, by accelerating increases of carbon dioxide (Fig. 1) and other greenhouses due to human activities, why isnt the temperature continuing to go up? The stock answer is that natural variability plays a key role1 and there was a major La Niña event early in 2008 that led to the month of January having the lowest anomaly in global temperature since 2000. While this is true, it is an incomplete explanation. In particular, what are the physical processes? From an energy standpoint, there should be an explanation that accounts for where the radiative forcing has gone. Was it compensated for temporarily by changes in clouds or aerosols, or other changes in atmospheric circulation that allowed more radiation to escape to space? Was it because a lot of heat went into melting Arctic sea ice or parts of Greenland and Antarctica, and other glaciers? Was it because the heat was buried in the ocean and sequestered, perhaps well below the surface? Was it because the La Niña led to a change in tropical ocean currents and rearranged the configuration of ocean heat? Perhaps all of these things are going on? But surely we have an adequate system to track whether this is the case or not, dont we?
"Illegally hacked e-mails" is nothing more than a talking point by a bunch of hacks who got caught with the goods. No surprise, though, coming from an offshoot of the far-leftist Center for American Progress.
Getting past the ad hom, the rationalizing away of one e-mail or thread hardly puts a dent in the overwhelming stack of evidence that the CRU has been gaming the statistics, burying or destroying others, evading FOIA and blackballing skeptics.
Pretty flaccid effort, old man. But I gotta give you credit for being the only one who has put even half of an effort into it.