The way to keep burkini's off the beaches

[Alex.]

"‘I am commanded by Allah to be modest’

I enjoy wearing the burkini. As a Muslim woman I am encouraged by the Qur’an not to wear the same as non-Muslims and to remain identifiably Muslim at all times. Anyone who says otherwise is either putting their love of the dunya (or their culture first. As a Muslim, we believe this world is a temporary pleasure trap. It will seduce you from your akhira (our rewards in the afterlife). I am also commanded by Allah to be modest (hayaa) and observe hijab at all times. So I am covered up from legs to neck and my lower arms are on display when there are women or family members present. I’m white British, and a revert Muslim. "

Why we wear the burkini: five women on dressing modestly at the beach

Such is the life of someone who follows their faith.

 

[Coyote]

there is no need to try to be the resident thread nazi.

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Don't worry -- your role is safe from competition.

Your arguments strike me as much akin to those of pedophiles when it comes to their having sex with children, though. Now, I realize you don't really oppose that, either, but pedophiles also argue that it is the child's choice -- actually empowering to them just as you argue in cases of women under the yoke of Islam. You see, if pedophiles can start grooming children at a young enough age, they come to accept it as normal and by the time they are seven or eight, they will actually claim it is their choice. Similarly, in these Islamic cultures you love so much, girls are conditioned from a very young age -- groomed for their role just as thoroughly as the pedophiles groom children for sex. You do not worry about this exploitation, of course, since you are simply looking for an opportunity to call people a bigot or an Islamophobe or a racist since that makes you feel good about yourself, but you are propping up an entire system of degradation here.

Calling these symbols of female subservience a "choice" is simply one of those ruses you use time and time again to invert the true nature of what you actually support. A women who has been groomed from the time she was a child to say it is her "choice" is no different than an 8 year old saying her having sex with a 42 year old man is hers. The same type of grooming is invo

Well, it isn't their culture. If the French culture says you can't wear this outfit, we don't find it acceptable, then that's what you adhere to. I have lived in far more conservative Muslim countries than Turkey and I and other Western women are expected to conform to a certain level of modesty in public dress. We are not onlyy expected to, we are required to. Now, for me, an older woman, it is not really an issue, but young women simply cannot wear the kind of clothing, like mini skirts or tank tops, for instance, they would wear in the West

I find it extremelyy hypocritical that the Muslim women get so bent out of shape being required to abstain from certain dress when they are in the West, but expect Western women to adhere to their standards in Muslim countries.

This is where i am at... Our women can't wear normal clothes over there so why on earth should we bend over backwards for their nonsense.

If our women need to put on a scarf and cover up all skin then when they Muslims come to the west they can wear tank tops and shorts. And if it's that big of an issue for them then they can just not come. Just as we can not go there if we don't wanna respect their ways.

Precisely because we ARE NOT those countries we can allow women to choose to wear what they want. We don't impose irrational standards on them. Why do people seem to think we should be like those countries?

Who says it's irrational? It's a matter of perspective, and culture is alI about perspective. Is preserving and protecting one's culture irrational? Is allowing a dominant minority of immigrants to refuse to adapt to the culture rational?

How many free, pluralistic and democratic countries such as France or the US mandate standards of clothing other than minimal required coverage?

How is choosing a more modest swimsuit style for ONESELF - refusing to adapt to a culture that has, up to now, imposed no standard on beachwear other than minimal coverage?

If the dominant culture prefered wearing thongs and you were highly uncomfortable wearing them - should you be forced to? Maybe in Saudi Arabia where there are no individual rights (subsitute Burka) - but in a country like the US?

This is not about clothing. As I have said, thie issue is not strictly the burkini per se. This is aobut a refusal to adapt to the culture. I have spent a lot of time in France and a have been noting the impact of the large population of Muslims there. They are mostly poor, uneducated, religious people who come to France for economic reasons. They don't embrace the culture nor do they adapt to it. They scorn French customs and perspectives. They take advantage of the freedoms (such as wearing whatever you want) and better economic conditions but do not embrace or love the country itself. That is the statement the burkini makes. The French are offended by this and quite rightly.

Then perhaps the thing to do is not to ban an article of clothing that allows these women to enjoy the beach - banning it will do nothing to encourage integration into French society and will more likely have the opposite effect, creating increased isolation and division because they won't go out.

I'll give you a parallel. In Minnesota (I think) is a significant community of Somali immigrants - refugees resettled there. Their community is in an area with many lakes and bodies of water, and drowning deaths are not uncommon. Most people know how to swim, and there are many town programs sponsoring swimming lessons. The problem is that the Somali women and girls don't know how to swim, and there had been a number of drowning deaths. Because their religion forbids them from uncovering themselves around strange men, they were not able to take part in any of these programs. The local police department together the YMCA put together an ingenious program. They set up an hour one night a week for women/girls only swimming - no men. It was open to all women and girls, in any style of swimwear, not just the Somali's. They learned how to swim, but more than that - they met new people, and made friends in the community. These people had been through a lot of trauma The girls were becoming more confident, and making new friends in school. It was a win-win for the town, for the Somali refugees and for successful integration into the community.

It wasn't all lightness and honey though - there were those who protested, who claimed it was giving in to "creeping Sharia" etc. They could have just said - screw those girls and women, if they don't want to accept our culture and swim with men and wear western style swimwear - then they can stay at home. What would that have accomplished? Better integration? Or more isolation?

It seems in France, a burkini is a means of allowing women who might otherwise not go out and mingle on a holiday beach or in the water just like any French person, a chance to do so and the more they mingle, the more they are going to learn about each other. If France has an integration problem - banning the burkini is not going to solve it.

 

[Tilly]

The burqini was designed in line with the misogynistic Islamic code of modesty. It reinforces the belief that women's body's are somehow shameful, and that women must take on all the responsibility for men who apparently cannot control their sexual urges. Men can bare themselves at the beach, and at the pool - why don't they have to shroud themselves? Women have to cover up and appear as though they are members of some third world backwards tribe where equality does not exist.
Women and children have been attacked by muslims in France for wearing shorts and T shirts, and bikinis. These kind of attacks will only continue if the French gvmnt is seen to endorse the belief that women should be covered up, whilst men are absolutely not expected to.
There are plenty of ways to dress modestly at the beach without announcing you are a muslim woman. If that is too arduous for them, perhaps they should consider living in a Muslim country instead of trying to change the established cultures of Europe, where people fought long and hard for the equality and rights they have now.

 

[flacaltenn]

A French woman's perspective:


Why should France accept the burkini? Its time to debate integration head-on

• MURIEL DEMARCUS

30 AUGUST 2016 • 1:36PM

The burkini ban in my home country (I am a French woman living in London) has made headlines for most of August. Despite the fact that it has eventually been overturned by the highest French court, the debate is far from over. Journalists have had a field day mocking what they see as an attack against personal freedoms, and keep mentioning that the rightwing in France still supports the ban. What a simplistic view of the situation!

According to various polls, two thirds of the French population supported the ban, and this included the socialist French Prime Minister, Manuel Valls, who famously said that that the full-body swimsuit symbolised the enslavement of women. So what is this really about? I got tired of reading analysis that, in my view, only gave a partial side of the issue, so here is my (very French) take on it.

First of all, France is a secular country. Obviously, France is not the only Western country to insist on the separation of church and state – but I believe that it does so more militantly than any other. To an extent, you could say that secularism is the closest thing we French have to a state religion. It underpinned the French Revolution and has been a foundation of the country's progressive thought for centuries. The law of separation meant strict official neutrality in religious affairs. The Republic has always recognised individuals, rather than groups: this means that you are supposed to be French first, then Muslim, or Catholic, or whatever your religion or ethnic minority might be. You therefore need to comply with the law even if it goes against your religious beliefs, because secularism prevails in all circumstances. Although it can be carried to extremes that other countries don’t understand, this view of citizenship is fundamentally non-discriminatory and inclusive. It’s all about finding a common ground, whatever your religion. Burkini bans must be viewed in this context, and are nothing new.

Rightly or wrongly, French citizens are scared of the Islamisation of their society. Obviously the latest attacks in Nice have further polarised an already divided population. The population is still traumatised, and believes that things have become worse over the last decade or so: people see more veiled women on the street, and are shocked to see a few niqabs or burkas from time to time, despite a full ban. This is compounded by the fact that young women are more and more targeted by some members of the Muslim community on the issue of modesty. For instance, last year in Reims a young woman sunbathing in a public park was set upon by a gang of teenage girls. They objected to her bikini, and the town’s authorities were fast to insist there was no religious aspect to the attack. Nobody believed them.

I belong to a generation that never saw a burkini or a full-body swimsuit at the beach before this summer’s events. This is clearly a new occurrence. The French also are shocked to learn that France is now home to thousands of Islamic radicals. Citizens feel that enough ground has been ceded to minorities in general, and to the Muslim minorities in particular. They think that things have now come to a head, and learned the hard way that political correctness doesn’t work. Furthermore, the French don’t understand why their women should cover up when they visit some Muslim country, but let women wear a veil or a burkini when they visit France. In short, they don’t understand why they should compromise when other countries don’t. It’s all about "my country, my rules".

Then again, I keep reading that the burkini is empowering for Muslim women who wouldn’t be able to go to the beach otherwise. I am struggling with such a point. Just look at the 1950s and 1960s photos of women in modern, comfortable clothes in Afghanistan or Egypt. They clearly were not forced to succumb to the new wave of stricter Islamic dress code. What changed? Why should women suddenly cover up? Islam seems to have been hijacked, and women are, once again, the first hostages. Why should women sympathise with the hijackers? Isn’t this a classic case of Stockholm syndrome?

Egyptian leader Gamal Abdul Nasser with his family in the 1960s CREDIT: AFP/GETTY
And what’s next? Should we also allow FGM to be respectful of different cultural practices? What about polygamy? In short, Western societies need to define what’s acceptable for them, and what’s not. There is a need to draw a line, and maybe the French have drawn it at the burkini. Is it futile? Maybe. But at least a social debate is starting. It’s a debate that societies simply can’t avoid forever. Whether we like it or not, society must have a clear set of "inclusiveness principles", and it’s probably better to face the issue rather than ignore it.

Don’t get me wrong, if covering up was simply a matter of personal style I would be all for it. But let’s be honest: it’s fairly easy to see whether women cover up for religious reasons or not (for starters women would get a hat, not a veil). What makes me angry is when I am out in blistering heat, and I see a family at the beach with kids in bathing suits, the dad in swimming trunks, and the mum covered in black from head to toe. It’s modest and it’s for religious reasons, but those reasons clearly seem oppressive and unfair. I can’t understand why a husband would want his wife to wear this. And don’t even try to swim in such an attire.

In the end, the burkini and some other Islamic dresses are less innocuous than they seem. It has to do with an explicit inequality between genders, which is unacceptable under French law. Let’s face it: we already have far too many of such inequalities…So why should the French accept this one? And let’s not forget that Syrian women burnt burqas in celebration after being freed from Isil. In the meantime, in France, more Muslim women are peer-pressured to wear the veil or the burkini. This seems rather counter-intuitive.

In conclusion, it’s time to go back, understand and reinforce the principles that underpin our democracies. Integration is a two-way street. Was the ban the best way to deal with the issue? Probably not. But I sincerely hope that it will start a much-needed social debate, in France and anywhere else.

Why should France accept the burkini? Its time to debate integration head-on

Personally, I think it's shaky ground to allow "one pieces" or "modesty skirts". If I go to a French beach --- I want the entire French "experience" dammit !!!!

It's gonna be a generational thing.

It maybe that the next generation ends all of that. THey will marry more open-minded husbands, want to integrate into the workforce and STILL be a practicing Muslim. Besides tolerance -- there's patience. It's a HUGE cultural adjustment. FORCING adjustment does not seem productive. Just like FORCING tolerance out of the picture by replacing it with law may not be productive.

The focus should be on NOT housing recent immigrants in LARGE closed govt housing where adaptation is NEVER likely to happen. And insisting on making French law dominant over religious law.. There's the priorities really. Focus on those.

 

[flacaltenn]

The burqini was designed in line with the misogynistic Islamic code of modesty. It reinforces the belief that women's body's are somehow shameful, and that women must take on all the responsibility for men who apparently cannot control their sexual urges. Men can bare themselves at the beach, and at the pool - why don't they have to shroud themselves? Women have to cover up and appear as though they are members of some third world backwards tribe where equality does not exist.
Women and children have been attacked by muslims in France for wearing shorts and T shirts, and bikinis. These kind of attacks will only continue if the French gvmnt is seen to endorse the belief that women should be covered up, whilst men are absolutely not expected to.
There are plenty of ways to dress modestly at the beach without announcing you are a muslim woman. If that is too arduous for them, perhaps they should consider living in a Muslim country instead of trying to change the established cultures of Europe, where people fought long and hard for the equality and rights they have now.

So it's a matter of "style" then? Maybe you just need a few fully gay Paris designers to offer a spring line of "modesty suits"..

And how do you change the culture of France by wearing a burkini? Shouldn't we be MORE concerned about certain Muslim mayors banning Bikini ads from city transportation? I can see the latter being FAR more corrosive to established culture than a bathing suit choice.

 

[flacaltenn]

Don't know guys. The RIGHT burkini looks good to me.

When you grew up with women in wetsuits out sharing the waves ---- THAT ^^^^ bothers me less than some of the horrors I can't UNSEE from my beach days.

 

[skye]

Don't know guys. The RIGHT burkini looks good to me.

When you grew up with women in wetsuits out sharing the waves ---- THAT ^^^^ bothers me less than some of the horrors I can't UNSEE from my beach days.

Why a burkini when you can have a bikini??? hehe

 

[flacaltenn]

Don't know guys. The RIGHT burkini looks good to me.

When you grew up with women in wetsuits out sharing the waves ---- THAT ^^^^ bothers me less than some of the horrors I can't UNSEE from my beach days.

Why a burkini when you can have a bikini??? hehe

Well --- I AM a sucker for tans. This is sounding like an old Beach Boys tune now.

We all know that there dozens of Hollywood mansions kept by rich Arab men so that they can come here and see stuff like that, drink a bit, watch porn and slum around with no judgement. Don't think they get scolded or imprisoned when they return to Abi Dhabi or Saudi.. It's irresistable. That's why they hate us. Right ^^^^ up there....

 

[Esmeralda]

"‘I am commanded by Allah to be modest’

I enjoy wearing the burkini. As a Muslim woman I am encouraged by the Qur’an not to wear the same as non-Muslims and to remain identifiably Muslim at all times. Anyone who says otherwise is either putting their love of the dunya (or their culture first. As a Muslim, we believe this world is a temporary pleasure trap. It will seduce you from your akhira (our rewards in the afterlife). I am also commanded by Allah to be modest (hayaa) and observe hijab at all times. So I am covered up from legs to neck and my lower arms are on display when there are women or family members present. I’m white British, and a revert Muslim. "

Why we wear the burkini: five women on dressing modestly at the beach

Such is the life of someone who follows their faith.

They are not commanded by Allah to wear the burkini, the abaya, the hijab, etc.

 

[Esmeralda]

Don't worry -- your role is safe from competition.

Your arguments strike me as much akin to those of pedophiles when it comes to their having sex with children, though. Now, I realize you don't really oppose that, either, but pedophiles also argue that it is the child's choice -- actually empowering to them just as you argue in cases of women under the yoke of Islam. You see, if pedophiles can start grooming children at a young enough age, they come to accept it as normal and by the time they are seven or eight, they will actually claim it is their choice. Similarly, in these Islamic cultures you love so much, girls are conditioned from a very young age -- groomed for their role just as thoroughly as the pedophiles groom children for sex. You do not worry about this exploitation, of course, since you are simply looking for an opportunity to call people a bigot or an Islamophobe or a racist since that makes you feel good about yourself, but you are propping up an entire system of degradation here.

Calling these symbols of female subservience a "choice" is simply one of those ruses you use time and time again to invert the true nature of what you actually support. A women who has been groomed from the time she was a child to say it is her "choice" is no different than an 8 year old saying her having sex with a 42 year old man is hers. The same type of grooming is invo

This is where i am at... Our women can't wear normal clothes over there so why on earth should we bend over backwards for their nonsense.

If our women need to put on a scarf and cover up all skin then when they Muslims come to the west they can wear tank tops and shorts. And if it's that big of an issue for them then they can just not come. Just as we can not go there if we don't wanna respect their ways.

Precisely because we ARE NOT those countries we can allow women to choose to wear what they want. We don't impose irrational standards on them. Why do people seem to think we should be like those countries?

Who says it's irrational? It's a matter of perspective, and culture is alI about perspective. Is preserving and protecting one's culture irrational? Is allowing a dominant minority of immigrants to refuse to adapt to the culture rational?

How many free, pluralistic and democratic countries such as France or the US mandate standards of clothing other than minimal required coverage?

How is choosing a more modest swimsuit style for ONESELF - refusing to adapt to a culture that has, up to now, imposed no standard on beachwear other than minimal coverage?

If the dominant culture prefered wearing thongs and you were highly uncomfortable wearing them - should you be forced to? Maybe in Saudi Arabia where there are no individual rights (subsitute Burka) - but in a country like the US?

This is not about clothing. As I have said, thie issue is not strictly the burkini per se. This is aobut a refusal to adapt to the culture. I have spent a lot of time in France and a have been noting the impact of the large population of Muslims there. They are mostly poor, uneducated, religious people who come to France for economic reasons. They don't embrace the culture nor do they adapt to it. They scorn French customs and perspectives. They take advantage of the freedoms (such as wearing whatever you want) and better economic conditions but do not embrace or love the country itself. That is the statement the burkini makes. The French are offended by this and quite rightly.

Then perhaps the thing to do is not to ban an article of clothing that allows these women to enjoy the beach - banning it will do nothing to encourage integration into French society and will more likely have the opposite effect, creating increased isolation and division because they won't go out.

I'll give you a parallel. In Minnesota (I think) is a significant community of Somali immigrants - refugees resettled there. Their community is in an area with many lakes and bodies of water, and drowning deaths are not uncommon. Most people know how to swim, and there are many town programs sponsoring swimming lessons. The problem is that the Somali women and girls don't know how to swim, and there had been a number of drowning deaths. Because their religion forbids them from uncovering themselves around strange men, they were not able to take part in any of these programs. The local police department together the YMCA put together an ingenious program. They set up an hour one night a week for women/girls only swimming - no men. It was open to all women and girls, in any style of swimwear, not just the Somali's. They learned how to swim, but more than that - they met new people, and made friends in the community. These people had been through a lot of trauma The girls were becoming more confident, and making new friends in school. It was a win-win for the town, for the Somali refugees and for successful integration into the community.

It wasn't all lightness and honey though - there were those who protested, who claimed it was giving in to "creeping Sharia" etc. They could have just said - screw those girls and women, if they don't want to accept our culture and swim with men and wear western style swimwear - then they can stay at home. What would that have accomplished? Better integration? Or more isolation?

It seems in France, a burkini is a means of allowing women who might otherwise not go out and mingle on a holiday beach or in the water just like any French person, a chance to do so and the more they mingle, the more they are going to learn about each other. If France has an integration problem - banning the burkini is not going to solve it.

Saving lives became a serious problem, so the local community was forced to adapt to the immigrants. But my position is that immigrants should adapt to their new country; the country they choose to live in should not have to adapt to them. When in Rome...adapt, accept, embrace your new country.

 

[StLucieBengal]

"‘I am commanded by Allah to be modest’

I enjoy wearing the burkini. As a Muslim woman I am encouraged by the Qur’an not to wear the same as non-Muslims and to remain identifiably Muslim at all times. Anyone who says otherwise is either putting their love of the dunya (or their culture first. As a Muslim, we believe this world is a temporary pleasure trap. It will seduce you from your akhira (our rewards in the afterlife). I am also commanded by Allah to be modest (hayaa) and observe hijab at all times. So I am covered up from legs to neck and my lower arms are on display when there are women or family members present. I’m white British, and a revert Muslim. "

Why we wear the burkini: five women on dressing modestly at the beach

Such is the life of someone who follows their faith.

They are not commanded by Allah to wear the burkini, the abaya, the hijab, etc.

This is true that oppressive gear predates Islam and the Koran.

It's just their way to oppress women and treat them like dogs

 

[StLucieBengal]

Don't know guys. The RIGHT burkini looks good to me.

When you grew up with women in wetsuits out sharing the waves ---- THAT ^^^^ bothers me less than some of the horrors I can't UNSEE from my beach days.

Why a burkini when you can have a bikini??? hehe

Yes please.

 

[Mindful]

Don't know guys. The RIGHT burkini looks good to me.

When you grew up with women in wetsuits out sharing the waves ---- THAT ^^^^ bothers me less than some of the horrors I can't UNSEE from my beach days.

Women in wet suits. Ha ha.

A senior Tory MP has waded into the burkini row, saying concealment “leaves more to the imagination”.

Sir Desmond Swayne, a former minister, said that there is “something quite attractive, alluring, even sensual” about garments that aren’t too revealing.

His comments come as a response to a constituent’s concern about the burkini row in France after the country’s top administrative court overturned the controversial burkini ban last week.

Tory MP Sir Desmond Swayne said that concealment ‘leaves more to the imagination’.
The ban was overturned following outrage after a Muslim woman sitting on a Nice beach was forced by four armed police officers to remove her burkini.

Sir Desmond said that as a “hot-blooded male” he can appreciate a bikini-clad body, but that concealment is still “alluring”.

The New Forest West MP said that it was for the French authorities to sort out their own affairs, but “as a general rule, most of us look far better with all our clothes on”.

In a blog post on his website, Sir Desmond wrote that he had received an “outraged email” from a constituent in Barton-on-Sea who was “disgusted” that the burkini ban had been overturned by a French court.
“Alas, the court is not accountable to me, and the French must sort out their own affairs.

“In any event, I am confident that no burkinis have been seen in Barton-on-Sea, or on any other beach in the New Forest parliamentary division.

“Am I disappointed? I have always taken the view that people should feel free to show off as little or as much as they like, when it comes to beachwear.

“Like any hot-blooded male however, I appreciate beauty, which can sometimes be enhanced by a bikini. Equally, often there can be something quite attractive, alluring, even sensual, about concealment. It leaves more to the imagination.

“Whilst there are of course exceptions, as a general rule, most of us look far better with all our clothes on.”

Huffington Post.

 

[Mindful]

Don't know guys. The RIGHT burkini looks good to me.

When you grew up with women in wetsuits out sharing the waves ---- THAT ^^^^ bothers me less than some of the horrors I can't UNSEE from my beach days.

Why a burkini when you can have a bikini??? hehe

Yes please.

I went yesterday to my favourite Turkish cafe for a Gözleme. The woman who cooked it for me wore a head covering. Which contrasted starkly with the girl sitting by the window wearing a backless summer top. No burkhas, but the whole place was full of a contradiction in terms. My beautiful waitress, head covered, but with the most elaborately and seductively made up eyes.

But, to make the point of alluring concealment. The women whose bodies were totally covered; those garments clung to every curve.

What would any normal hot blooded male make of that?

 

[gtopa1]

Don't know guys. The RIGHT burkini looks good to me.

When you grew up with women in wetsuits out sharing the waves ---- THAT ^^^^ bothers me less than some of the horrors I can't UNSEE from my beach days.

Why a burkini when you can have a bikini??? hehe

Yes please.

I went yesterday to my favourite Turkish cafe for a Gözleme. The woman who cooked it for me wore a head covering. Which contrasted starkly with the girl sitting by the window wearing a backless summer top. No burkhas, but the whole place was full of a contradiction in terms. My beautiful waitress, head covered, but with the most elaborately and seductively made up eyes.

But, to make the point of alluring concealment. The women whose bodies were totally covered; those garments clung to every curve.

What would any normal hot blooded male make of that?

Nothing if the food was crappy!!!

Greg

 

[Mindful]

Don't know guys. The RIGHT burkini looks good to me.

When you grew up with women in wetsuits out sharing the waves ---- THAT ^^^^ bothers me less than some of the horrors I can't UNSEE from my beach days.

Why a burkini when you can have a bikini??? hehe

Yes please.

I went yesterday to my favourite Turkish cafe for a Gözleme. The woman who cooked it for me wore a head covering. Which contrasted starkly with the girl sitting by the window wearing a backless summer top. No burkhas, but the whole place was full of a contradiction in terms. My beautiful waitress, head covered, but with the most elaborately and seductively made up eyes.

But, to make the point of alluring concealment. The women whose bodies were totally covered; those garments clung to every curve.

What would any normal hot blooded male make of that?

Nothing if the food was crappy!!!

Greg

Brilliant food.

Win win situation for all concerned. Including hot blooded males.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Don't know guys. The RIGHT burkini looks good to me.

When you grew up with women in wetsuits out sharing the waves ---- THAT ^^^^ bothers me less than some of the horrors I can't UNSEE from my beach days.

Why a burkini when you can have a bikini??? hehe

Yes please.

I went yesterday to my favourite Turkish cafe for a Gözleme. The woman who cooked it for me wore a head covering. Which contrasted starkly with the girl sitting by the window wearing a backless summer top. No burkhas, but the whole place was full of a contradiction in terms. My beautiful waitress, head covered, but with the most elaborately and seductively made up eyes.

But, to make the point of alluring concealment. The women whose bodies were totally covered; those garments clung to every curve.

What would any normal hot blooded male make of that?

Yeah I guess I am old fashioned. Just not into ninjas. I like to see more than just eyes.

Besides these days you never know .... Could be a tranny under there....

 

[StLucieBengal]

Don't know guys. The RIGHT burkini looks good to me.

When you grew up with women in wetsuits out sharing the waves ---- THAT ^^^^ bothers me less than some of the horrors I can't UNSEE from my beach days.

Why a burkini when you can have a bikini??? hehe

Yes please.

I went yesterday to my favourite Turkish cafe for a Gözleme. The woman who cooked it for me wore a head covering. Which contrasted starkly with the girl sitting by the window wearing a backless summer top. No burkhas, but the whole place was full of a contradiction in terms. My beautiful waitress, head covered, but with the most elaborately and seductively made up eyes.

But, to make the point of alluring concealment. The women whose bodies were totally covered; those garments clung to every curve.

What would any normal hot blooded male make of that?

Side note of Turkish fare. One of my mates is Turkish and it's great when we go over to his house everytime the food is wonderful. Plus he always has amazing tea.

What's funny is that they love to come over to our house for the Belorussian fare.

 

[Mindful]

Don't know guys. The RIGHT burkini looks good to me.

When you grew up with women in wetsuits out sharing the waves ---- THAT ^^^^ bothers me less than some of the horrors I can't UNSEE from my beach days.

Why a burkini when you can have a bikini??? hehe

Yes please.

I went yesterday to my favourite Turkish cafe for a Gözleme. The woman who cooked it for me wore a head covering. Which contrasted starkly with the girl sitting by the window wearing a backless summer top. No burkhas, but the whole place was full of a contradiction in terms. My beautiful waitress, head covered, but with the most elaborately and seductively made up eyes.

But, to make the point of alluring concealment. The women whose bodies were totally covered; those garments clung to every curve.

What would any normal hot blooded male make of that?

Yeah I guess I am old fashioned. Just not into ninjas. I like to see more than just eyes.

Besides these days you never know .... Could be a tranny under there....

I might hang out with the ninjas today. They frequent the expensive coffee bars.
I like looking at the designer bags, and catching the waftings of Chanel no. 5.

 

[StLucieBengal]

Don't know guys. The RIGHT burkini looks good to me.

When you grew up with women in wetsuits out sharing the waves ---- THAT ^^^^ bothers me less than some of the horrors I can't UNSEE from my beach days.

Why a burkini when you can have a bikini??? hehe

Yes please.

I went yesterday to my favourite Turkish cafe for a Gözleme. The woman who cooked it for me wore a head covering. Which contrasted starkly with the girl sitting by the window wearing a backless summer top. No burkhas, but the whole place was full of a contradiction in terms. My beautiful waitress, head covered, but with the most elaborately and seductively made up eyes.

But, to make the point of alluring concealment. The women whose bodies were totally covered; those garments clung to every curve.

What would any normal hot blooded male make of that?

Side note of Turkish fare. One of my mates is Turkish and it's great when we go over to his house everytime the food is wonderful. Plus he always has amazing tea.

What's funny is that they love to come over to our house for the Belorussian fare.