The World Is Sick Of Israeli Atrocities...

[aris2chat]

Israel gave up the Gaza strip. I'm saying they should take it back. Why shouldn't they?

Palestine, including Gaza, was inhabited by Muslims and Christians before the Jews invaded from Europe. They gave back nothing.

What Jews invaded Palestine then monti, or are you talking about the legal land owners coming and evicting the squatters from their land. At no time was any part of Palestine bequeathed to the arab muslims by its legal owners, so were was this fictional land ?

Right, I don't have a deed or any proof, but this is "my" land. What a crock! Like I said above, it's akin to a Native American demanding you give up your home because that was his families lands generations ago.

These people are unrealistic and ridiculous expectations, and I wonder what they think the region would be like then? Do they actually think these people are going to be "peaceful" suddenly? Good grief!

In the camps in beirut, palestinians were handed old keys and the publishing house were printing fake deed for those keys.

There is fraud on the other side as well.

Israeli court orders settlers to return land to Palestinian owners - Diplomacy Defense Israel News Haaretz

Israel courts have favored palestinians on land issues in the WB, for the most part.
Like in the US, courts are not there to green light politicians but to bring balance to bills being passed.
Israel s High Court rules in favor of Palestinians i24news - See beyond

 

[aris2chat]

I don't think there is any doubt that this resolution will pass, even AIPAC influenced America may support it. The world is sick of Israeli atrocities...

Palestinians Israeli occupation must end in 2016 - Yahoo News
UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The Palestinians are asking the U.N. Security Council to set a deadline of November 2016 for an Israeli withdrawal from all Palestinian territory occupied since 1967 including East Jerusalem in a new push to achieve independence.
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1. Abbas demands end to Israeli occupation 'now' AFP
2. Palestinian leader in new UN bid to end occupation Associated Press
3. Israel-Palestinian 'solution' to be put to UN Security Council AFP
4. West Bank settler group boasts rapid growth Associated Press
5. How Palestinian divisions undercut call for a UN deadline on statehood Christian Science Monitor

The circulation of the draft resolution to council members follows Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' announcement to the U.N. General Assembly last Friday that he would ask the council to set a deadline for a pullout and dictate the ground rules for any talks with Israel.
The draft resolution, obtained Wednesday by The Associated Press, would affirm the Security Council's determination to contribute to attaining a peaceful solution that ends the Israeli occupation "without delay" and fulfill the vision of two states — "an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable state of Palestine" living side by side with Israel in peace and security in borders based on those before the 1967 Mideast war.

PBel must be losing his marbles. Thread title says "The World Is Sick Of Israel Attrocities." And yet in his post, the links only show that the Palestinians are pissed with Israel. Oh well, want another VICTORY, keep them rocket missiles comin' boys.

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We veterans get irked when you and your tribe quote Veterans Today, a site of anti-American communistic deadbeats who are no better than terrorist supporters.

Hey pansy ass, you are no veteran. You are just a little Nazi wannabe.

This is a veteran.

"Gordon Duff is a Marine combat veteran of the Vietnam War. He is a disabled veteran and has worked on veterans and POW issues for decades.

Gordon Duff is an accredited diplomat and is generally accepted as one of the top global intelligence specialists. He manages the world's largest private intelligence organization and regularly consults with governments challenged by security issues.

Gordon Duff has traveled extensively, is published around the world and is a regular guest on TV and radio in more than "several" countries.

Gordon Duff is a trained chef, wine enthusiast, avid motorcyclist and gunsmith specializing in historical weapons and restoration.

Business experience and interests are in energy and defense technology."

Copied right off the VT web site. You do realize that most of what they print is CT nonsense. Duff is also frequently quoted by Press TV Iran.

 

[ChrisL]

Then ok lets deal. We will take the Palestinians and the Zionist and Jews living in the US move to Israel , to make room for the Pals here , and the Israel lobby in the US is abolished (no reason for them to be here since there are no Jews living here), and so is any aid going to Israel , as now we need to use it to help the Palestinians get homes and education.

Sound good?

Nope.

Move the Palestinians to Jordan and/or Lebanon and/or Egypt and/or some other place(s) in that region or in coastal Africa, once the UN negotiates all those arrangements.

No need (or desire) to do any such thing on our own shores.

The Jews (Israelis) are the winners.

Losers do not dictate terms.

No don't think so, its a give and take. No deal with me then. You live in the US as I do, but your unwilling to relocate the Pals here.

You can't speak for another nation , only as a citizen of the US and what you'd accept.

Oh, make no mistake, I am under no illusion that I am speaking for any other nation or any other people.

And, I understand that you don't think so (you don't think that relocation of the Palestinians is the answer).

My point is that there is no other choice, in the long run.

I serve-up a way to cut the Gordian Knot, so that Israel is left intact and strong, and so that the Palestinians get something out of it as well, and a new lease on life, elsewhere.

The Palestinians can relocate, and build new lives, or they can slowly (or quickly) die in-place.

Why subject yourselves (the Palestinian side) to such a miserable fate?

You are hanging onto a few postage-stamp -sized scraps of land by the skin of your teeth.

All it will take is a fart in the wind to blow you away.

Plead with the UN and neighboring countries to take you in, to help you to relocate, and to help you to establish the basis for new and happier and peaceful lives.

Or stubbornly and stupidly stay in-place and die.

Either outcome is fine, to much of the rest of the world.

There is no Arab (nor UN) cavalry coming over the hill this time to rescue you.

You are on your own now, and you are dying (as a failed nation-state wannabe, and, to a lesser extent, as individuals).

Snap out of it, regain your sanity, admit you've lost, run up the white flag, and ask for help in getting a fresh start, elsewhere.

You'll be surprised at how much of the world will be willing to step up to the plate to help you do just that.

Or be stupid, and continue to die - as a nation-state and as individuals - for no good purpose, and to no useful end.

Palestinian Mentality - God help those infected with it.

Patient: "Hi, I'm Walid, and I'm a recovering Palestinian Mentality victim."

Group: "Hi, Walid, and welcome!"

This is so true, but obviously they would be too ignorant to listen to any good advice.

Excellent post, BTW. The best post I've seen on this topic yet!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Hey pansy ass, you are no veteran. You are just a little Nazi wannabe.

"

Perhaps, some day, you can have one of the older kids explain to you that the Nazis were the ones who hated the Jews just as do you instead of defending them as does he.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel gave up the Gaza strip. I'm saying they should take it back. Why shouldn't they?

Palestine, including Gaza, was inhabited by Muslims and Christians before the Jews invaded from Europe. They gave back nothing.

What Jews invaded Palestine then monti, or are you talking about the legal land owners coming and evicting the squatters from their land. At no time was any part of Palestine bequeathed to the arab muslims by its legal owners, so were was this fictional land ?

Right, I don't have a deed or any proof, but this is "my" land. What a crock! Like I said above, it's akin to a Native American demanding you give up your home because that was his families lands generations ago.

These people are unrealistic and ridiculous expectations, and I wonder what they think the region would be like then? Do they actually think these people are going to be "peaceful" suddenly? Good grief!

In the camps in beirut, palestinians were handed old keys and the publishing house were printing fake deed for those keys.

There is fraud on the other side as well.

Israeli court orders settlers to return land to Palestinian owners - Diplomacy Defense Israel News Haaretz

Can you see the difference between the two sides in your post, how Israel ALWAYS acts in the correct manner and finds for the Palestinians when the law of Israel is on their side. When was the last time the Palestinians did a similar thing ?

 

[Kondor3]

...Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries...

Indeed. Just as it has since 1948.

...If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

Indeed. Just ask the 2nd and 3rd and 4th -generation Israelis now in possession of that land.

Agree - when you get to that point, the original owners are dead and there is no sense in displacing people. But the land theft that occurred in 1967 and later - the original people are still alive, and return of the land or compensation should be addressed as well as a complete stop to more taking of land through "settlements".

Right of Return will no longer work, in connection with 1948-1949.

Return to the 1967 borders will no longer work, in connection with Israeli security and safety.

Compensation has marvelous possibilities.

But there is no longer enough land with which to make-up a sustainable nation-state.

That leaves population transfer - relocation - as the only practical outcome.

I know that this does not sit well, but the Losing Side is just going to have to suck it up, eventually, and move on.

If they did so voluntarily and with the blessing and large-scale assistance of the outside world, that would be best.

But, sooner or later, it's going to happen.

The Palestinians might as well leverage that as best they can, while they still can.

I sense time running out for the Palestinians to get anything whatsoever.

 

[Kondor3]

TBH, The fascist Zionist are the problem in the world today. Middle America, we aren't even taking care of the America we have as we are too invested in the ME for Israel and SA and our neocons who love war.

I for one do not want 1 cent of my tax dollars going to Israel anymore.

Meanwhile, the majority of voting taxpayers who DO support Israel, thank you for your tax dollars, tasked for that purpose.

 

[Coyote]

Palestine, including Gaza, was inhabited by Muslims and Christians before the Jews invaded from Europe. They gave back nothing.

What Jews invaded Palestine then monti, or are you talking about the legal land owners coming and evicting the squatters from their land. At no time was any part of Palestine bequeathed to the arab muslims by its legal owners, so were was this fictional land ?

Right, I don't have a deed or any proof, but this is "my" land. What a crock! Like I said above, it's akin to a Native American demanding you give up your home because that was his families lands generations ago.

These people are unrealistic and ridiculous expectations, and I wonder what they think the region would be like then? Do they actually think these people are going to be "peaceful" suddenly? Good grief!

In the camps in beirut, palestinians were handed old keys and the publishing house were printing fake deed for those keys.

There is fraud on the other side as well.

Israeli court orders settlers to return land to Palestinian owners - Diplomacy Defense Israel News Haaretz

Israel courts have favored palestinians on land issues in the WB, for the most part.
Like in the US, courts are not there to green light politicians but to bring balance to bills being passed.
Israel s High Court rules in favor of Palestinians i24news - See beyond

I think the Israeli High Court does a decent job and keeps the government in check.

Edited to add - finished reading the article, that's a good article - it's heartening to read. Thanks for posting it!

 

[Coyote]

...Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries...

Indeed. Just as it has since 1948.

...If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

Indeed. Just ask the 2nd and 3rd and 4th -generation Israelis now in possession of that land.

Agree - when you get to that point, the original owners are dead and there is no sense in displacing people. But the land theft that occurred in 1967 and later - the original people are still alive, and return of the land or compensation should be addressed as well as a complete stop to more taking of land through "settlements".

Right of Return will no longer work, in connection with 1948-1949.

Return to the 1967 borders will no longer work, in connection with Israeli security and safety.

Compensation has marvelous possibilities.

But there is no longer enough land with which to make-up a sustainable nation-state.

That leaves population transfer - relocation - as the only practical outcome.

I know that this does not sit well, but the Losing Side is just going to have to suck it up, eventually, and move on.

If they did so voluntarily and with the blessing and large-scale assistance of the outside world, that would be best.

But, sooner or later, it's going to happen.

The Palestinians might as well leverage that as best they can, while they still can.

I sense time running out for the Palestinians to get anything whatsoever.

Yes there is.

Start negotiations at the 1967 borders and negotiate landswaps.

Israel needs to give up some things too.

 

[Phoenall]

Then ok lets deal. We will take the Palestinians and the Zionist and Jews living in the US move to Israel , to make room for the Pals here , and the Israel lobby in the US is abolished (no reason for them to be here since there are no Jews living here), and so is any aid going to Israel , as now we need to use it to help the Palestinians get homes and education.

Sound good?

Nope.

Move the Palestinians to Jordan and/or Lebanon and/or Egypt and/or some other place(s) in that region or in coastal Africa, once the UN negotiates all those arrangements.

No need (or desire) to do any such thing on our own shores.

The Jews (Israelis) are the winners.

Losers do not dictate terms.

No don't think so, its a give and take. No deal with me then. You live in the US as I do, but your unwilling to relocate the Pals here.

You can't speak for another nation , only as a citizen of the US and what you'd accept.

Oh, make no mistake, I am under no illusion that I am speaking for any other nation or any other people.

And, I understand that you don't think so (you don't think that relocation of the Palestinians is the answer).

My point is that there is no other choice, in the long run.

I serve-up a way to cut the Gordian Knot, so that Israel is left intact and strong, and so that the Palestinians get something out of it as well, and a new lease on life, elsewhere.

The Palestinians can relocate, and build new lives, or they can slowly (or quickly) die in-place.

Why subject yourselves (the Palestinian side) to such a miserable fate?

You are hanging onto a few postage-stamp -sized scraps of land by the skin of your teeth.

All it will take is a fart in the wind to blow you away.

Plead with the UN and neighboring countries to take you in, to help you to relocate, and to help you to establish the basis for new and happier and peaceful lives.

Or stubbornly and stupidly stay in-place and die.

Either outcome is fine, to much of the rest of the world.

There is no Arab (nor UN) cavalry coming over the hill this time to rescue you.

You are on your own now, and you are dying (as a failed nation-state wannabe, and, to a lesser extent, as individuals).

Snap out of it, regain your sanity, admit you've lost, run up the white flag, and ask for help in getting a fresh start, elsewhere.

You'll be surprised at how much of the world will be willing to step up to the plate to help you do just that.

Or be stupid, and continue to die - as a nation-state and as individuals - for no good purpose, and to no useful end.

Palestinian Mentality - God help those infected with it.

Palestinians only need to be patient, demographics will rule the day.

Not in this case as they cant function as a collective, something to do with the Palestinian mentality. they would spend more time fighting each other than they would trying to kill the Jews and lose that war like they lost all the others. No support from their mentors as they will be fighting their own wars against the Palestinian IS or what ever it will call itself then.

 

[montelatici]

Yeah right.

"Israeli Supreme Court upholds law allowing housing discrimination against Palestinians"

"Yesterday, Israel’s Supreme Court dismissed a petition by Adalah: The Legal Center for Arab Minority Rights in Israel effectually facilitating the Judaization of more Palestinian owned land inside Israel. According to Adalah, the court’s decision holding up Israel’s Admissions Committees Law, “entrenches racial segregation; 434 small communities in Israel, or 43% of all residential areas, will be allowed to close their doors to Palestinian Arab citizens of the state.” Much of the land in question was originally confiscated from Palestinian refugees, and the court’s decision will result in the continued concentration and containment of the Palestinian population in Israel. -"

See more at: Israeli Supreme Court upholds law allowing housing discrimination against Palestinians 8211 Mondoweiss

 

[Coyote]

Palestine, including Gaza, was inhabited by Muslims and Christians before the Jews invaded from Europe. They gave back nothing.

What Jews invaded Palestine then monti, or are you talking about the legal land owners coming and evicting the squatters from their land. At no time was any part of Palestine bequeathed to the arab muslims by its legal owners, so were was this fictional land ?

Right, I don't have a deed or any proof, but this is "my" land. What a crock! Like I said above, it's akin to a Native American demanding you give up your home because that was his families lands generations ago.

These people are unrealistic and ridiculous expectations, and I wonder what they think the region would be like then? Do they actually think these people are going to be "peaceful" suddenly? Good grief!

In the camps in beirut, palestinians were handed old keys and the publishing house were printing fake deed for those keys.

There is fraud on the other side as well.

Israeli court orders settlers to return land to Palestinian owners - Diplomacy Defense Israel News Haaretz

Can you see the difference between the two sides in your post, how Israel ALWAYS acts in the correct manner and finds for the Palestinians when the law of Israel is on their side. When was the last time the Palestinians did a similar thing ?

They don't "always". The courts are pretty good. When it goes through the courts. But when it falls in military jurisdiction - not so much OR when land is confiscated for state purposes.

 

[Phoenall]

Israel gave up the Gaza strip. I'm saying they should take it back. Why shouldn't they?

Palestine, including Gaza, was inhabited by Muslims and Christians before the Jews invaded from Europe. They gave back nothing.

What Jews invaded Palestine then monti, or are you talking about the legal land owners coming and evicting the squatters from their land. At no time was any part of Palestine bequeathed to the arab muslims by its legal owners, so were was this fictional land ?

There were no "squatters".

They were never land owners and were just travelling nomadic farm workers in the main. They acted just like the muslims of old and took what land they wanted until they had worn it out and then discarded it and moved on. 3 Times they stole Hebron from the Jews and 3 times they destroyed the land through lack of intelligence and laziness.

Now produce the treaty by the ottomans or LoN that gives the land of Palestine to the arab muslims..............

For all practical purposes they were landowners and many of them were indiginous to the area. As you may recall, even though there was an indiginous Jewish population in Palestine prior to immigration, there was a larger Arab population.

Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries if you have to attempt to go back that far it's meaningless. If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

No they refused to become land owners under the Ottomans as it meant paying taxes and being conscripted into the army. So they just ignored the requests and carried on being tenants or nomadic farm workers.

Then because the Jews had been living on the land for 4,500 years by your criteria they have a more valid claim than the arab muslims who can only go back 1400 years with gaps when they were driven out by invaders. Now back to International law that you don't like when it comes down in Israel's favour the LEGAL LAND OWNERS GAVE THE LAND TO THE JEWS BACK IN 1924 THEY DID NOT GIVE ANY TO THE ARAB MUSLIMS APART FROM JORDAN, SYRIA AND IRAQ.

 

[Kondor3]

...Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries...

Indeed. Just as it has since 1948.

...If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

Indeed. Just ask the 2nd and 3rd and 4th -generation Israelis now in possession of that land.

Agree - when you get to that point, the original owners are dead and there is no sense in displacing people. But the land theft that occurred in 1967 and later - the original people are still alive, and return of the land or compensation should be addressed as well as a complete stop to more taking of land through "settlements".

Right of Return will no longer work, in connection with 1948-1949.

Return to the 1967 borders will no longer work, in connection with Israeli security and safety.

Compensation has marvelous possibilities.

But there is no longer enough land with which to make-up a sustainable nation-state.

That leaves population transfer - relocation - as the only practical outcome.

I know that this does not sit well, but the Losing Side is just going to have to suck it up, eventually, and move on.

If they did so voluntarily and with the blessing and large-scale assistance of the outside world, that would be best.

But, sooner or later, it's going to happen.

The Palestinians might as well leverage that as best they can, while they still can.

I sense time running out for the Palestinians to get anything whatsoever.

Yes there is.

Start negotiations at the 1967 borders and negotiate landswaps.

Israel needs to give up some things too.

Israel is the winner, Coyote.

Losers do not dictate terms.

The West Bank no longer exists as a coherent and contiguous Palestinian-controlled land mass.

Gaza can be overrun in a week, should the Isrealis put their mind to it.

They no longer have any motive to make concessions, and they've been burned on land-for-peace deals multiple times in the past.

Confidence is reasonably high that the time for such talk is behind us now.

And, if that turns out to be true, then the Losing Side is going to be sent packing, one way or another.

Why not get ahead of that trend and bend it to your (their) people's advantage?

But they won't.

 

[aris2chat]

...Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries...

Indeed. Just as it has since 1948.

...If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

Indeed. Just ask the 2nd and 3rd and 4th -generation Israelis now in possession of that land.

Agree - when you get to that point, the original owners are dead and there is no sense in displacing people. But the land theft that occurred in 1967 and later - the original people are still alive, and return of the land or compensation should be addressed as well as a complete stop to more taking of land through "settlements".

Right of Return will no longer work, in connection with 1948-1949.

Return to the 1967 borders will no longer work, in connection with Israeli security and safety.

Compensation has marvelous possibilities.

But there is no longer enough land with which to make-up a sustainable nation-state.

That leaves population transfer - relocation - as the only practical outcome.

I know that this does not sit well, but the Losing Side is just going to have to suck it up, eventually, and move on.

If they did so voluntarily and with the blessing and large-scale assistance of the outside world, that would be best.

But, sooner or later, it's going to happen.

The Palestinians might as well leverage that as best they can, while they still can.

I sense time running out for the Palestinians to get anything whatsoever.

Yes there is.

Start negotiations at the 1967 borders and negotiate landswaps.

Israel needs to give up some things too.

Israel has made offers of land. The one to make the most sense was land east of gaza which would reduce the over crowding. Egypt also offered land in the sinai as part of a total peace deal.
Land considered NW of the WB was rejected by the arab population living there. They did not want to be part of a palestinian state.

 

[Phoenall]

There were a handful of Jews in Palestine before 1850 and several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims.

According to ISLAMONAZI sources, while unbiased sources say that the arab muslims were thin on the ground and most of the larger towns were majority Jewish. Just like Jerusalem was prior to the land thefts of 1948 and 1949 by the Palestinians.

 

[montelatici]

Palestine, including Gaza, was inhabited by Muslims and Christians before the Jews invaded from Europe. They gave back nothing.

What Jews invaded Palestine then monti, or are you talking about the legal land owners coming and evicting the squatters from their land. At no time was any part of Palestine bequeathed to the arab muslims by its legal owners, so were was this fictional land ?

There were no "squatters".

They were never land owners and were just travelling nomadic farm workers in the main. They acted just like the muslims of old and took what land they wanted until they had worn it out and then discarded it and moved on. 3 Times they stole Hebron from the Jews and 3 times they destroyed the land through lack of intelligence and laziness.

Now produce the treaty by the ottomans or LoN that gives the land of Palestine to the arab muslims..............

For all practical purposes they were landowners and many of them were indiginous to the area. As you may recall, even though there was an indiginous Jewish population in Palestine prior to immigration, there was a larger Arab population.

Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries if you have to attempt to go back that far it's meaningless. If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

No they refused to become land owners under the Ottomans as it meant paying taxes and being conscripted into the army. So they just ignored the requests and carried on being tenants or nomadic farm workers.

Then because the Jews had been living on the land for 4,500 years by your criteria they have a more valid claim than the arab muslims who can only go back 1400 years with gaps when they were driven out by invaders. Now back to International law that you don't like when it comes down in Israel's favour the LEGAL LAND OWNERS GAVE THE LAND TO THE JEWS BACK IN 1924 THEY DID NOT GIVE ANY TO THE ARAB MUSLIMS APART FROM JORDAN, SYRIA AND IRAQ.

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921 ​

"Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews."

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

 

[Coyote]

Palestine, including Gaza, was inhabited by Muslims and Christians before the Jews invaded from Europe. They gave back nothing.

What Jews invaded Palestine then monti, or are you talking about the legal land owners coming and evicting the squatters from their land. At no time was any part of Palestine bequeathed to the arab muslims by its legal owners, so were was this fictional land ?

There were no "squatters".

They were never land owners and were just travelling nomadic farm workers in the main. They acted just like the muslims of old and took what land they wanted until they had worn it out and then discarded it and moved on. 3 Times they stole Hebron from the Jews and 3 times they destroyed the land through lack of intelligence and laziness.

Now produce the treaty by the ottomans or LoN that gives the land of Palestine to the arab muslims..............

For all practical purposes they were landowners and many of them were indiginous to the area. As you may recall, even though there was an indiginous Jewish population in Palestine prior to immigration, there was a larger Arab population.

Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries if you have to attempt to go back that far it's meaningless. If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

No they refused to become land owners under the Ottomans as it meant paying taxes and being conscripted into the army. So they just ignored the requests and carried on being tenants or nomadic farm workers.

Then because the Jews had been living on the land for 4,500 years by your criteria they have a more valid claim than the arab muslims who can only go back 1400 years with gaps when they were driven out by invaders. Now back to International law that you don't like when it comes down in Israel's favour the LEGAL LAND OWNERS GAVE THE LAND TO THE JEWS BACK IN 1924 THEY DID NOT GIVE ANY TO THE ARAB MUSLIMS APART FROM JORDAN, SYRIA AND IRAQ.

By my criteria?

A handful of jews....somewhere between 10,000 and 15,000. Attempting to go back thousands of years is blatently ridiculous - land and property rights varied considerably. For example - in some regions all land belonged to a ruler, and the people were tenants. Do you see how silly this is?

I support International Law. It states that West Bank and Gaza are occupied territories and it recognizes Israel's right to exist. Sounds good enough.

 

[Coyote]

There were a handful of Jews in Palestine before 1850 and several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims.

According to ISLAMONAZI sources, while unbiased sources say that the arab muslims were thin on the ground and most of the larger towns were majority Jewish. Just like Jerusalem was prior to the land thefts of 1948 and 1949 by the Palestinians.

What unbiased sources?

 

[montelatici]

What Jews invaded Palestine then monti, or are you talking about the legal land owners coming and evicting the squatters from their land. At no time was any part of Palestine bequeathed to the arab muslims by its legal owners, so were was this fictional land ?

There were no "squatters".

There were a handful of Jews in Palestine before 1850 and several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims.

According to ISLAMONAZI sources, while unbiased sources say that the arab muslims were thin on the ground and most of the larger towns were majority Jewish. Just like Jerusalem was prior to the land thefts of 1948 and 1949 by the Palestinians.

They were never land owners and were just travelling nomadic farm workers in the main. They acted just like the muslims of old and took what land they wanted until they had worn it out and then discarded it and moved on. 3 Times they stole Hebron from the Jews and 3 times they destroyed the land through lack of intelligence and laziness.

Now produce the treaty by the ottomans or LoN that gives the land of Palestine to the arab muslims..............

For all practical purposes they were landowners and many of them were indiginous to the area. As you may recall, even though there was an indiginous Jewish population in Palestine prior to immigration, there was a larger Arab population.

Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries if you have to attempt to go back that far it's meaningless. If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

No they refused to become land owners under the Ottomans as it meant paying taxes and being conscripted into the army. So they just ignored the requests and carried on being tenants or nomadic farm workers.

Then because the Jews had been living on the land for 4,500 years by your criteria they have a more valid claim than the arab muslims who can only go back 1400 years with gaps when they were driven out by invaders. Now back to International law that you don't like when it comes down in Israel's favour the LEGAL LAND OWNERS GAVE THE LAND TO THE JEWS BACK IN 1924 THEY DID NOT GIVE ANY TO THE ARAB MUSLIMS APART FROM JORDAN, SYRIA AND IRAQ.

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921 ​

"Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews."

- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921