The World Is Sick Of Israeli Atrocities...

[ChrisL]

What Jews invaded Palestine then monti, or are you talking about the legal land owners coming and evicting the squatters from their land. At no time was any part of Palestine bequeathed to the arab muslims by its legal owners, so were was this fictional land ?

There were no "squatters".

They were never land owners and were just travelling nomadic farm workers in the main. They acted just like the muslims of old and took what land they wanted until they had worn it out and then discarded it and moved on. 3 Times they stole Hebron from the Jews and 3 times they destroyed the land through lack of intelligence and laziness.

Now produce the treaty by the ottomans or LoN that gives the land of Palestine to the arab muslims..............

For all practical purposes they were landowners and many of them were indiginous to the area. As you may recall, even though there was an indiginous Jewish population in Palestine prior to immigration, there was a larger Arab population.

Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries if you have to attempt to go back that far it's meaningless. If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

No they refused to become land owners under the Ottomans as it meant paying taxes and being conscripted into the army. So they just ignored the requests and carried on being tenants or nomadic farm workers.

Then because the Jews had been living on the land for 4,500 years by your criteria they have a more valid claim than the arab muslims who can only go back 1400 years with gaps when they were driven out by invaders. Now back to International law that you don't like when it comes down in Israel's favour the LEGAL LAND OWNERS GAVE THE LAND TO THE JEWS BACK IN 1924 THEY DID NOT GIVE ANY TO THE ARAB MUSLIMS APART FROM JORDAN, SYRIA AND IRAQ.

By my criteria?

A handful of jews....somewhere between 10,000 and 15,000. Attempting to go back thousands of years is blatently ridiculous - land and property rights varied considerably. For example - in some regions all land belonged to a ruler, and the people were tenants. Do you see how silly this is?

I support International Law. It states that West Bank and Gaza are occupied territories and it recognizes Israel's right to exist. Sounds good enough.

They were given the land by the British. If you want to argue that point, you can argue it all day long. It doesn't change the facts.

 

[Coyote]

There were a handful of Jews in Palestine before 1850 and several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims.

According to ISLAMONAZI sources, while unbiased sources say that the arab muslims were thin on the ground and most of the larger towns were majority Jewish. Just like Jerusalem was prior to the land thefts of 1948 and 1949 by the Palestinians.

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

7. The city of Jerusalem has had a Jewish majority since about 1896 - The city of Jerusalem itself there was a Jewish majority since about 1896, but probably not before. The district of Jerusalem (as opposed to the city) comprised a very wide area in Ottoman and British times, in which there was a Muslim majority. This included Jericho, Bethlehem and other towns. Within the Jerusalem district, there was a subdistrict of Jerusalem that includes many of the immediate suburbs such as Eyn Karem, Beit Zeit etc. In that subdistrict, the Jews remained a minority , with only about 52,000 out of 132,000 persons in 1931 for example​

 

[montelatici]

There were a handful of Jews in Palestine before 1850 and several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims.

According to ISLAMONAZI sources, while unbiased sources say that the arab muslims were thin on the ground and most of the larger towns were majority Jewish. Just like Jerusalem was prior to the land thefts of 1948 and 1949 by the Palestinians.

What unbiased sources?

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE,

PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE. I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR ​

​

There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.​

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. -​

See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921 ​

 

[Phoenall]

...Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries...

Indeed. Just as it has since 1948.

...If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

Indeed. Just ask the 2nd and 3rd and 4th -generation Israelis now in possession of that land.

Agree - when you get to that point, the original owners are dead and there is no sense in displacing people. But the land theft that occurred in 1967 and later - the original people are still alive, and return of the land or compensation should be addressed as well as a complete stop to more taking of land through "settlements".

What about the land theft of 1948 and 1949 when Jews were murdered by arab muslims in gaza and the west bank because they were the majority land owners and occupants in many of the towns and cities. Does the right of return not apply to them also, don't they have the right to the land in the west bank taken from them by force.

So will you join in the simplest solution to the Palestinian problem and do land swaps with the arab muslims for every two dunums of stolen Jewish land the Palestinians give up one dunum of Palestine. Once all of Palestine has gone then the arab muslims can sell the remaining Jewish land to the thieves who are settled on it since 1948. That way everyone is happy and there is no more problems over who owns the land anymore. The arab muslims will always get the best of the deal as they will receive twice as much as they allegedly lost. ( the land stolen from the Jews between 1948 and 1967 amounts to an area 4 times the size of Jordan with less than 10% being in Palestine )

 

[montelatici]

There were a handful of Jews in Palestine before 1850 and several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims.

According to ISLAMONAZI sources, while unbiased sources say that the arab muslims were thin on the ground and most of the larger towns were majority Jewish. Just like Jerusalem was prior to the land thefts of 1948 and 1949 by the Palestinians.

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

7. The city of Jerusalem has had a Jewish majority since about 1896 - The city of Jerusalem itself there was a Jewish majority since about 1896, but probably not before. The district of Jerusalem (as opposed to the city) comprised a very wide area in Ottoman and British times, in which there was a Muslim majority. This included Jericho, Bethlehem and other towns. Within the Jerusalem district, there was a subdistrict of Jerusalem that includes many of the immediate suburbs such as Eyn Karem, Beit Zeit etc. In that subdistrict, the Jews remained a minority , with only about 52,000 out of 132,000 persons in 1931 for example​

I go to source documents available from official archives and use the source data. As reported by the British, there were only a handful of Jews in Palestine prior to 1850.

 

[montelatici]

...Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries...

Indeed. Just as it has since 1948.

...If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

Indeed. Just ask the 2nd and 3rd and 4th -generation Israelis now in possession of that land.

Agree - when you get to that point, the original owners are dead and there is no sense in displacing people. But the land theft that occurred in 1967 and later - the original people are still alive, and return of the land or compensation should be addressed as well as a complete stop to more taking of land through "settlements".

What about the land theft of 1948 and 1949 when Jews were murdered by arab muslims in gaza and the west bank because they were the majority land owners and occupants in many of the towns and cities. Does the right of return not apply to them also, don't they have the right to the land in the west bank taken from them by force.

So will you join in the simplest solution to the Palestinian problem and do land swaps with the arab muslims for every two dunums of stolen Jewish land the Palestinians give up one dunum of Palestine. Once all of Palestine has gone then the arab muslims can sell the remaining Jewish land to the thieves who are settled on it since 1948. That way everyone is happy and there is no more problems over who owns the land anymore. The arab muslims will always get the best of the deal as they will receive twice as much as they allegedly lost. ( the land stolen from the Jews between 1948 and 1967 amounts to an area 4 times the size of Jordan with less than 10% being in Palestine )

The non-Jews owned 90% of the land in Palestine in 1943, how could they steal their own land?

 

[aris2chat]

There were a handful of Jews in Palestine before 1850 and several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims.

According to ISLAMONAZI sources, while unbiased sources say that the arab muslims were thin on the ground and most of the larger towns were majority Jewish. Just like Jerusalem was prior to the land thefts of 1948 and 1949 by the Palestinians.

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

7. The city of Jerusalem has had a Jewish majority since about 1896 - The city of Jerusalem itself there was a Jewish majority since about 1896, but probably not before. The district of Jerusalem (as opposed to the city) comprised a very wide area in Ottoman and British times, in which there was a Muslim majority. This included Jericho, Bethlehem and other towns. Within the Jerusalem district, there was a subdistrict of Jerusalem that includes many of the immediate suburbs such as Eyn Karem, Beit Zeit etc. In that subdistrict, the Jews remained a minority , with only about 52,000 out of 132,000 persons in 1931 for example​

Jewish attachment to the wall is recorded as going back to the 4th Century. 16th Century, Ottoman recognized jewish right to pray at the wall. 19th Century, there will be no interference with jewish places of worship.

It does not matter how many live next to the wall or outside, the jewish places of worship in Jerusalem or the Greater Palestinian Mandate, should not be restricted or prevent. It recognizes the jewish link to the area.
Muslim links to the area begins in the 7th C. after the conquest in the and building of al-Aqsa so muslim could pray on the mount near where jewish and christians came on pilgrimage to the rock.

 

[Phoenall]

There were a handful of Jews in Palestine before 1850 and several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims.

It may have been small - I think the Ottoman census around then placed it around 15,000 but it was none the less a significant enough population not to be counted as "zero".

Try this for size

Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Year	Jews	Christians	Muslims	Total
First half 1st century CE	Majority	–	–	~2,500
5th century	Minority	Majority	–	>1st century
End 12th century	Minority	Minority	Majority	>225
14th century before Black Death	Minority	Minority	Majority	225
14th century after Black Death	Minority	Minority	Majority	150
1533–1539	5	6	145	157
1690–1691	2	11	219	232
1800	7	22	246	275
1890	43	57	432	532
1914	94	70	525	689
1922	84	71	589	752
1931	175	89	760	1,033
1947	630	143	1,181	1,970

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[TBODY] [/TBODY]

All figures in thousandsand from the 12C to 1890 the majority of the muslims were Ottomans or Turkish as the arabs refused to take up the land. As yu can see by the figures the muslim population increased above that for natural progression and must be down to illegal immigration from outside Palestine. N0 3rd world nation could double its population in 90 years without immigration taking place.

 

[Phoenall]

TBH, The fascist Zionist are the problem in the world today. Middle America, we aren't even taking care of the America we have as we are too invested in the ME for Israel and SA and our neocons who love war.

I for one do not want 1 cent of my tax dollars going to Israel anymore.

Then move to palestine

 

[aris2chat]

There were a handful of Jews in Palestine before 1850 and several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims.

According to ISLAMONAZI sources, while unbiased sources say that the arab muslims were thin on the ground and most of the larger towns were majority Jewish. Just like Jerusalem was prior to the land thefts of 1948 and 1949 by the Palestinians.

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

7. The city of Jerusalem has had a Jewish majority since about 1896 - The city of Jerusalem itself there was a Jewish majority since about 1896, but probably not before. The district of Jerusalem (as opposed to the city) comprised a very wide area in Ottoman and British times, in which there was a Muslim majority. This included Jericho, Bethlehem and other towns. Within the Jerusalem district, there was a subdistrict of Jerusalem that includes many of the immediate suburbs such as Eyn Karem, Beit Zeit etc. In that subdistrict, the Jews remained a minority , with only about 52,000 out of 132,000 persons in 1931 for example​

I go to source documents available from official archives and use the source data. As reported by the British, there were only a handful of Jews in Palestine prior to 1850.

Try spending weeks in the gloomy turkish archives going through land registries. Now they have been moved to a modern archive and are being scanned for digital access, but it will take years to finish.

 

[Coyote]

...Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries...

Indeed. Just as it has since 1948.

...If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

Indeed. Just ask the 2nd and 3rd and 4th -generation Israelis now in possession of that land.

Agree - when you get to that point, the original owners are dead and there is no sense in displacing people. But the land theft that occurred in 1967 and later - the original people are still alive, and return of the land or compensation should be addressed as well as a complete stop to more taking of land through "settlements".

Right of Return will no longer work, in connection with 1948-1949.

Return to the 1967 borders will no longer work, in connection with Israeli security and safety.

Compensation has marvelous possibilities.

But there is no longer enough land with which to make-up a sustainable nation-state.

That leaves population transfer - relocation - as the only practical outcome.

I know that this does not sit well, but the Losing Side is just going to have to suck it up, eventually, and move on.

If they did so voluntarily and with the blessing and large-scale assistance of the outside world, that would be best.

But, sooner or later, it's going to happen.

The Palestinians might as well leverage that as best they can, while they still can.

I sense time running out for the Palestinians to get anything whatsoever.

Yes there is.

Start negotiations at the 1967 borders and negotiate landswaps.

Israel needs to give up some things too.

Israel is the winner, Coyote.

Losers do not dictate terms.

The West Bank no longer exists as a coherent and contiguous Palestinian-controlled land mass.

Gaza can be overrun in a week, should the Isrealis put their mind to it.

They no longer have any motive to make concessions, and they've been burned on land-for-peace deals multiple times in the past.

Confidence is reasonably high that the time for such talk is behind us now.

And, if that turns out to be true, then the Losing Side is going to be sent packing, one way or another.

Why not get ahead of that trend and bend it to your (their) people's advantage?

But they won't.

The problem with that attitude is, they will never have peace unless they either negotiate for it or conduct an operation that will involve huge human rights violations and will be deplored by the international community of which they are part of. The political and possibly economic price would affect them for a long time. It would be comparable to Stalin's forced population shifts to dilute ethnic minorities. Not a favorable comparison.


The 1967 land borders would be a starting point - not an ending point. No one realistically expects Israel to keep that. So land swaps would be negotiated until a viable state and security situation is achieved for both sides. No one is going to get everything they want.

 

[montelatici]

You are just posting propaganda. Try using source documents which contradict everything you claim.

REPORT by His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom ​

of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to the ​

Council of the League of Nations ​

6. The estimated total population has increased in the 15 years from 1922 to the middle of 1937, by 631,272 persons. The increase is due to immigration and to the excess of births over deaths, the allocation of the total increases between these two factors being estimated to be as follows:--

	All religions.	Moslems.	Jews.	Christians.	Others.
Total increase of population Increase by migration Natural increase	631,272 281,339 349,933	286,770 25,168 261,602	302,294 245,433 56,861	38,305 10,414 27,891	3,903 324 3,579

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- See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the LoN 31 December 1937 ​

 

[Coyote]

There were a handful of Jews in Palestine before 1850 and several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims.

It may have been small - I think the Ottoman census around then placed it around 15,000 but it was none the less a significant enough population not to be counted as "zero".

Try this for size

Demographics of Palestine - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Year	Jews	Christians	Muslims	Total
First half 1st century CE	Majority	–	–	~2,500
5th century	Minority	Majority	–	>1st century
End 12th century	Minority	Minority	Majority	>225
14th century before Black Death	Minority	Minority	Majority	225
14th century after Black Death	Minority	Minority	Majority	150
1533–1539	5	6	145	157
1690–1691	2	11	219	232
1800	7	22	246	275
1890	43	57	432	532
1914	94	70	525	689
1922	84	71	589	752
1931	175	89	760	1,033
1947	630	143	1,181	1,970

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

All figures in thousandsand from the 12C to 1890 the majority of the muslims were Ottomans or Turkish as the arabs refused to take up the land. As yu can see by the figures the muslim population increased above that for natural progression and must be down to illegal immigration from outside Palestine. N0 3rd world nation could double its population in 90 years without immigration taking place.

Did you notice the note published at the top of your source?

This article or section possibly contains previously unpublished synthesis of published material that conveys ideas not attributable to the original sources. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. (September 2011)

 

[ChrisL]

THIS is all that matters. The "ancient claims" mean nothing.


The Jews were GIVEN the state of Israel, which the Arabs did not like, fought with them over it, and LOST. End of story.

UNSCOP recommended to partition Palestine into two states – one Jewish and one Arab. This Partition Plan was rejected by all the Arab states. The resolution was passed in the United Nations with a vote of 33-13. Amazingly, both the United States and the Soviet Union supported the resolution, at the height of the Cold War. Russia believed that a Jewish state with many Socialist and Communist ideals would lead it eventually become part of the Soviet sphere of influence. This passing of the Partition Plan negatively affected over 1 million Sephardic Jews living in Arab lands, where the Muslims began turning against their Jewish citizens.

Since there was no U.N. provision to implement the Partition Plan, the Jews and Arabs were let to resolve the conflict themselves. Arab violence escalated and war quickly became the norm. By May of 1948, 1256 Jews, mostly civilians, had been killed by Arabs. As the war for Jewish survival increased, thousands of local Palestinians fled to neighboring Arab countries – believing that when the Jews were defeated they would return home.

On May 14, 1948, the British officially left Palestine and on the same day, the State of Israel was immediately declared by David Ben Gurion, acting as its provisional Prime Minister.

America was the first country to officially recognize the new State of Israel – eleven minutes after it was declared. U.S. President Harry Truman signed the letter of recognition – despite the objections by The United States Secretary of State George Marshall and the entire State Department.

Immediately after the declaration an all-out war broke out between the Jews and Arabs. Seven Arab armies attacked the new Jewish State – but were not united both militarily and politically. For example, the Arab League was established in order to counter The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem’s ambition to secure domination of Arab Palestine. At the same time, King Abdullah of Jordan wanted to merge Palestine with his kingdom. Eventually, the Arab forces began to lose the war.

As the war was raging the Jewish leadership begged the local Palestinian Arabs not to abandon their homes but the Arab leadership forbade the Arabs to return or live in areas under Jewish rule.

Unfortunately, in one form or anther, the war and battles that began in 1948 have continue to this day.

How different the situation in the Middle East would have been today if the Arabs had opened their hearts to live in peace with their Jewish neighbors – and had accepted the UN Partition Plan, which so favorable to them.

 

[Phoenall]

...Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries...

Indeed. Just as it has since 1948.

...If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

Indeed. Just ask the 2nd and 3rd and 4th -generation Israelis now in possession of that land.

The problem is, there are more non-Jews than Jews among the people the Jews have control over. That almost never works out well for the minority in the long run.

The Palestinians only have two choices left make peace under the UN charter or be wiped out in the fullness of time. They need to acquire weapons for the demographics to be in their favour and you cant hide tanks when you are occupied. So how will increased population help them when they outstrip the natural resources and destroy the land. Then nature will start killing the Palestinians to level the playing field again. The problem with gaza is they are surrounded by armed soldiers who can just stand back and fire from long range at targets pinpointed by satellite technology. One hamas mine under a Jewish school and all of gaza will be flattened with the world cheering on the Israelis. And you will be in hiding because no muslim would be ever safe again in the west.

 

[Phoenall]

What Jews invaded Palestine then monti, or are you talking about the legal land owners coming and evicting the squatters from their land. At no time was any part of Palestine bequeathed to the arab muslims by its legal owners, so were was this fictional land ?

Right, I don't have a deed or any proof, but this is "my" land. What a crock! Like I said above, it's akin to a Native American demanding you give up your home because that was his families lands generations ago.

These people are unrealistic and ridiculous expectations, and I wonder what they think the region would be like then? Do they actually think these people are going to be "peaceful" suddenly? Good grief!

In the camps in beirut, palestinians were handed old keys and the publishing house were printing fake deed for those keys.

There is fraud on the other side as well.

Israeli court orders settlers to return land to Palestinian owners - Diplomacy Defense Israel News Haaretz

Israel courts have favored palestinians on land issues in the WB, for the most part.
Like in the US, courts are not there to green light politicians but to bring balance to bills being passed.
Israel s High Court rules in favor of Palestinians i24news - See beyond

I think the Israeli High Court does a decent job and keeps the government in check.

Edited to add - finished reading the article, that's a good article - it's heartening to read. Thanks for posting it!

Pity the Palestinians cant be seen to be doing the same thing isn't it. Giving two convicted child murders a 5 year vacation on full pay sends out the wrong signals

 

[Phoenall]

...Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries...

Indeed. Just as it has since 1948.

...If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

Indeed. Just ask the 2nd and 3rd and 4th -generation Israelis now in possession of that land.

Agree - when you get to that point, the original owners are dead and there is no sense in displacing people. But the land theft that occurred in 1967 and later - the original people are still alive, and return of the land or compensation should be addressed as well as a complete stop to more taking of land through "settlements".

Right of Return will no longer work, in connection with 1948-1949.

Return to the 1967 borders will no longer work, in connection with Israeli security and safety.

Compensation has marvelous possibilities.

But there is no longer enough land with which to make-up a sustainable nation-state.

That leaves population transfer - relocation - as the only practical outcome.

I know that this does not sit well, but the Losing Side is just going to have to suck it up, eventually, and move on.

If they did so voluntarily and with the blessing and large-scale assistance of the outside world, that would be best.

But, sooner or later, it's going to happen.

The Palestinians might as well leverage that as best they can, while they still can.

I sense time running out for the Palestinians to get anything whatsoever.

Yes there is.

Start negotiations at the 1967 borders and negotiate landswaps.

Israel needs to give up some things too.

What 1967 borders LINK PLEASE to these borders that have never existed, and that the Palestinians denied were to be seen as borders until such a time as the Jews were wiped out and Israel destroyed.

 

[Phoenall]

There were a handful of Jews in Palestine before 1850 and several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims.

According to ISLAMONAZI sources, while unbiased sources say that the arab muslims were thin on the ground and most of the larger towns were majority Jewish. Just like Jerusalem was prior to the land thefts of 1948 and 1949 by the Palestinians.

MidEast Web - Population of Palestine

7. The city of Jerusalem has had a Jewish majority since about 1896 - The city of Jerusalem itself there was a Jewish majority since about 1896, but probably not before. The district of Jerusalem (as opposed to the city) comprised a very wide area in Ottoman and British times, in which there was a Muslim majority. This included Jericho, Bethlehem and other towns. Within the Jerusalem district, there was a subdistrict of Jerusalem that includes many of the immediate suburbs such as Eyn Karem, Beit Zeit etc. In that subdistrict, the Jews remained a minority , with only about 52,000 out of 132,000 persons in 1931 for example​

And in 1948 1949 they were ethnically cleansed and their lands and property stolen. These lands are now were the settlements are being built as the Jews reclaim what was stolen

 

[Phoenall]

There were a handful of Jews in Palestine before 1850 and several hundred thousand Christians and Muslims.

According to ISLAMONAZI sources, while unbiased sources say that the arab muslims were thin on the ground and most of the larger towns were majority Jewish. Just like Jerusalem was prior to the land thefts of 1948 and 1949 by the Palestinians.

What unbiased sources?

AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE,

PALESTINE, during the period 1st JULY, 1920--30th JUNE, 1921. AN INTERIM REPORT ON THE CIVIL ADMINISTRATION OF PALESTINE. I.--THE CONDITION OF PALESTINE AFTER THE WAR ​

There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.​

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. -​

See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921 ​

All lies

 

[Phoenall]

...Land has shifted back and forth over the centuries...

Indeed. Just as it has since 1948.

...If people have been living on land for generations - it is theirs for all effective purposes.

Indeed. Just ask the 2nd and 3rd and 4th -generation Israelis now in possession of that land.

Agree - when you get to that point, the original owners are dead and there is no sense in displacing people. But the land theft that occurred in 1967 and later - the original people are still alive, and return of the land or compensation should be addressed as well as a complete stop to more taking of land through "settlements".

What about the land theft of 1948 and 1949 when Jews were murdered by arab muslims in gaza and the west bank because they were the majority land owners and occupants in many of the towns and cities. Does the right of return not apply to them also, don't they have the right to the land in the west bank taken from them by force.

So will you join in the simplest solution to the Palestinian problem and do land swaps with the arab muslims for every two dunums of stolen Jewish land the Palestinians give up one dunum of Palestine. Once all of Palestine has gone then the arab muslims can sell the remaining Jewish land to the thieves who are settled on it since 1948. That way everyone is happy and there is no more problems over who owns the land anymore. The arab muslims will always get the best of the deal as they will receive twice as much as they allegedly lost. ( the land stolen from the Jews between 1948 and 1967 amounts to an area 4 times the size of Jordan with less than 10% being in Palestine )

The non-Jews owned 90% of the land in Palestine in 1943, how could they steal their own land?


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But they were not arab muslim Palestinians were they, they were Ottoman landlords who lived elsewhere.