CDZ There are TWO Genders: Change My Mind

[cnm]

And deniers will still say only one thumb on each hand is possible even when evidence to the contrary stares them in the face.

And finally, there's no transgender gene, it's all in the head, so one day, a cure may by developed to correct this mental abnormality.

See?

 

[Mortimer]

And deniers will still say only one thumb on each hand is possible even when evidence to the contrary stares them in the face.

And finally, there's no transgender gene, it's all in the head, so one day, a cure may by developed to correct this mental abnormality.

See?

Transgender and intersex is not the same.

 

[cnm]

I correct myself, it is not the only thing possible. It is possible but a insignificant disorder, if you dont push it to become more or mainstream

How can genetic disorders be pushed to become more mainstream? Numbers were given in that linked article.

I'm tired of the pretzel logic which bigots will use in argument to justify their prejudice.

 

[Mortimer]

I correct myself, it is not the only thing possible. It is possible but a insignificant disorder, if you dont push it to become more or mainstream

How can genetic disorders be pushed to become more mainstream?

I'm tired of the pretzel logic which bigots will use in argument to justify their prejudice.

Because transgender and intersex is not the same. And I didnt saw one transgender 30 years ago when I was a kid, now I see transgenders everywhere. Just use your brain. How is that possible?

 

[cnm]

Transgender and intersex is not the same.

Oh. What is XXY?

 

[cnm]

Because transgender and intersex is not the same.

So that's how genetic disorders can be pushed to become more mainstream? I didn't know that was how it was done. So we should see a change in the numbers for genetic disorders, right?

 

[cnm]

Oh. I've got it now. You don't want to talk about gender any more as reality undermines your prejudices.

 

[Mortimer]

You are clearly lying and distorting things. It makes no sense to talk to you.

 

[San Souci]

There are more than two genders You are forgetting there are people who are intersex and are neither male or female.

Born intersex: The people who are biologically neither male nor female
WHEN Cody was born intersex, her parents and doctors made a decision. She still wonders if it was the right one.

Ginger Gorman
NOVEMBER 30, 201511:25AM

“I CONSIDER myself to be agendered, so I’m neither male or female,” 27-year-old Cody says.

Cody was born with a naturally occurring intersex variation. This means she has biological characteristics that are both female and male.

For the purposes of this story, Cody gives me permission to use the pronouns “she” and “her.”

This is not because Cody is a female. It’s from generosity — to make life easier for me when I’m writing the story, and for you when you’re reading it. After all, there are no universally accepted pronouns in the English language for a person who is not a man or a woman.

“I don’t mind how people gender me … because I don’t feel like I have a gender,” she says, adding: “I’m okay with that.”

‘I was born both male and female’

“I CONSIDER myself to be agendered, so I’m neither male or female,” 27-year-old Cody says.

www.news.com.au

Intersex are people born with a abnormality, just like people with a thumb more, that can be fixed and usually was. I dont believe you can be chromosomally both male and female, you are either XY or XX. Maybe you have a little penis if you are woman, but that means it is like a thumb more, or toe more, that can be fixed at birth. That is no reason to believe that you can identify your sex or gender how you want, and most of the transgenders at college campuses are not intersex at all.

There are more choices than just XY or XX.

Gender is subjective to each person, and sex organs don’t dictate gender. People with penises aren’t necessarily men, and people with vaginas aren’t necessarily women. The thing is, XX and XY chromosomes aren’t cut and dry, either. Actually, sex chromosomes and genetic expression vary widely, beyond a penis/vagina or XY/XX binary. XX and XY with the aforementioned expressions are the most common sex chromosomes and corresponding organs, but they’re not the only ones.

Some people have differing sex chromosomes, such as those who are born with an extra X chromosome (XXY) or who are missing an X chromosome (XO). Or, some people with XX or XY chromosomes might have physical characteristics that don’t seem to align with what’s typically expected of their DNA. All of this is to say that many bodies that exist outside of the assumptions that come with XX and XY sex chromosomes.

One word that often describes these bodies is “intersex.” Intersex is an umbrella term that describes any person whose sex characteristics do not neatly fit into binary categories. Intersex people might have sex organs that include both XX and XY sex characteristics. Babies born intersex are often subjected to superfluous surgery in infancy in order to make their genitals appear either male or female.

Beyond X & Y: Chromosomes and Sex Organs - Scienceline

Beyond X & Y: Chromosomes and Sex Organs, a few ways of being intersex and the how sex chromosome genetic expression can vary.

scienceline.org

Yes. Eunuchs,

 

[cnm]

You are clearly lying and distorting things. It makes no sense to talk to you.

Yeah, right. The links I give are lies and taking you at your word is distorting things. Fair enough.

 

[Mortimer]

You are clearly lying and distorting things. It makes no sense to talk to you.

Yeah, right. The links I give are lies and taking you at your word is distorting things. Fair enough.

You have a dirty way of discussing, a fascist way. A snitch way, Like the concentration camp guards, or gulag guards, doesnt surprise me. To be honest I didnt even know of that disorder, but it is clearly a disorder or syndrome. Just like being born with a face on the back of your head, or siamese twins or something. That is certainly right what I say eventhough Im no expert just say common sense, and Im right that most transgenders are not intersex or are born with a third y. And that before 50 years ago they were not that many at college campuses or anywhere. Now even 9 year old kids are transgedenders.

 

[theHawk]

Actually, thinking about it, I'd better do it for you...

Klinefelter Syndrome: Here Are the Symptoms​

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Klinefelter syndrome, also known as the XXY condition, is a term used to describe males who have an extra X chromosome in most of their cells. Instead of having the usual XY chromosome pattern that most males have, these men have an XXY pattern.​

You just disproved your own point. It clearly says they are males with an extra chromosome. It doesn’t make them into a new gender. They are males with a genetic anomaly.
It also has nothing to do with the lunatics that are making up genders or pretending to be the opposite gender while they have no such genetic anomalies.

 

[theHawk]

Transgender and intersex is not the same.

Oh. What is XXY?

It’s a male biological anomaly.

The funny thing is you are arguing that gender is indeed based off genetics, not a social construct.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Captain Caveman]

And deniers will still say only one thumb on each hand is possible even when evidence to the contrary stares them in the face.

And finally, there's no transgender gene, it's all in the head, so one day, a cure may by developed to correct this mental abnormality.

See?

Transgender and intersex is not the same.

There are two sexes, and transgender, intersex, gender and what other shite you want to come up with is just a play on words.

 

[Captain Caveman]

So transgenders want to push their lifestyle onto society as an acceptable norm. How would they feel if those who were attracted to children wanted to push their lifestyle on society claiming it's acceptable too?

 

[Cecilie1200]

There are more than two genders You are forgetting there are people who are intersex and are neither male or female.

Born intersex: The people who are biologically neither male nor female
WHEN Cody was born intersex, her parents and doctors made a decision. She still wonders if it was the right one.

Ginger Gorman
NOVEMBER 30, 201511:25AM

“I CONSIDER myself to be agendered, so I’m neither male or female,” 27-year-old Cody says.

Cody was born with a naturally occurring intersex variation. This means she has biological characteristics that are both female and male.

For the purposes of this story, Cody gives me permission to use the pronouns “she” and “her.”

This is not because Cody is a female. It’s from generosity — to make life easier for me when I’m writing the story, and for you when you’re reading it. After all, there are no universally accepted pronouns in the English language for a person who is not a man or a woman.

“I don’t mind how people gender me … because I don’t feel like I have a gender,” she says, adding: “I’m okay with that.”

‘I was born both male and female’

“I CONSIDER myself to be agendered, so I’m neither male or female,” 27-year-old Cody says.

www.news.com.au

That is not a separate gender. That is an anomaly.

 

[theHawk]

For the people claiming that “intersex” genetic anomalies are creating “new genders”, that is like saying that Down Syndrome creates a new species and they aren’t human.

 

[Cecilie1200]

And an abnormality, or genetical disorder - to the norm, it doesnt mean there are many genders, or it is a social construct.

It means there are more than two, you absolute denier.

No, you science illiterate, rare anomalies do not constitute a third sex/gender.

 

[Cecilie1200]

And an abnormality, or genetical disorder - to the norm, it doesnt mean there are many genders, or it is a social construct.

It fucking well means there are more than two, you absolute denier loon.

it is like saying we have one thumb on each hand, but due to genetic disorder, there can be two thumbs on one hand. this is clearly a genetic disorder, against the norm.

And deniers will still say only one thumb on each hand is possible even when evidence to the contrary stares them in the face.

Oh well.

And illiterates will make up straw men to argue against so they can feel like they aren't as stupid as they are.

Please show me where ANYONE has said, "This is all that's POSSIBLE" . . . or admit that you can't debate what's actually said, and need to invent an imaginary argument you can win.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I correct myself, it is not the only thing possible. It is possible but a insignificant disorder, if you dont push it to become more or mainstream

How can genetic disorders be pushed to become more mainstream? Numbers were given in that linked article.

I'm tired of the pretzel logic which bigots will use in argument to justify their prejudice.

And we're tired of the pretzeled, emotional illogic which illiterates will use in argument to try to justify their agenda.

And by the way, this is supposed to be the Clean Debate Zone, so you need to find some other argument besides, "Well, you're a bad person, so THERE!"