These are the facts in evidence. Trumpette's, avert your eyes.

[berg80]

Let me say from the outset I fully understand Trumpette's are not typically persuaded by facts.

Congress authorized $391M in aid to Ukraine at the end of 2018. $250M under the control of the DoD and $141M under the control of the Dept. of State.

July 3.........Lt. Col. Vindman testified that is the date when he learned a hold on the aid had been put on.

July 10.......During a meeting at the WH Gordo Sondland makes Ukrainian officials aware Zelensky will only get a WH meeting w/ Donzo the Clown if he agrees to launch investigations in to the Biden's. Bolton tells Fiona Hill to report this to the NSC lawyer.

July 18........In a secure call with national security officials, a staff member of the WH OMB announces there’s a freeze on Ukraine aid until further notice, based on a presidential order to the budget office.
Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal

July 25.........the "perfect" call. Immediately after Zelensky offers to buy more military weapons Trump replies by saying "I would like you to do us a favor though" and proceeds to ask Zelensky to look in to the batshyte crazy conspiracy theory about the Crowdstrike server and later to work with Slimy Rudy in investigating the Biden's.
FEC chairwoman reiterates illegality of soliciting campaign help from foreign governments

Two US officials, Catherine Croft and Laura Cooper, have testified that as early as July 25 Ukraine officials expressed concern over the military aid they knew had been approved. “On July 25, a member of my staff got a question from a Ukraine embassy contact asking what was going on with Ukraine security assistance,” Cooper testified.

Aug. 12.......A whistleblower files a formal complaint addressed to Congress that details concerns over the July 25 phone call and the hold placed on the military aid. The complaint is withheld from Congress until Sept. 25. At some point after the call was made alarmed WH and national security officials, including John Eisenberg, make the decision to use a code level secure server to hide.......sorry.........store.......sorry......hide the transcript of the call even though it contains nothing of national security import to justify such a measure. The DoJ is notified of a criminal referral issued by the CIA's top lawyer regarding the call. Despite the obvious violation of the law prohibiting the solicitation of election assistance from a foreign country Billy the Bagman determines the call is no problemo.

Congressional testimony from Sondland, Hill, Vindman, Taylor, Cooper, Volker all corroborate the fact that diplomatic officials were aware the assistance to Ukraine would be held up until an announcement was made by Ukraine that the investigations Trump wanted were being initiated. Sondland testified that...... “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.” He went on to say.......“Was there a quid pro quo? As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

Various WH officials such as................

could offer more details but their testimony is being illegally blocked by the imposition of a claim that does not exist in law, "blanket privilege" for any and all WH officials the prez sees fit to block.

Once the WH became aware Trump had been caught they released the military aid and an edited copy of the call transcript cuz...............what else could they do?

In a nutshell, Trump put a hold on military assistance to use as leverage in order to get Zelensky to agree to announce Ukraine would investigate a political rival of Don's who at the time was the front runner to get the Dem nomination to run for the presidency............breaking two laws.

Lib facts are not factual.

Putin would be so happy to hear you say that.

 

[Oddball]

No announcement was ever made and Ukraine got the aid.

Announcement absolutely was made by Sondland to Ukranian officials and other diplomats that EVERYTHING (the phonecalls, the WH visit and even aid) is conditioned on investigations and public announcements by Zelensky. He testified to it before Congress.

The aid was held back with ZERO sane explanation and released only AFTER CONGRESS OPENED INVESTIGATIONS.


I know you are tipsy drunk and all but COME ON, wake the fuck up and wake up your idiot rightwing friends too.

Sondland has changed his story...None of what he says can be taken at face value.

 

[AntonToo]

Let me say from the outset I fully understand Trumpette's are not typically persuaded by facts.

Congress authorized $391M in aid to Ukraine at the end of 2018. $250M under the control of the DoD and $141M under the control of the Dept. of State.

July 3.........Lt. Col. Vindman testified that is the date when he learned a hold on the aid had been put on.

July 10.......During a meeting at the WH Gordo Sondland makes Ukrainian officials aware Zelensky will only get a WH meeting w/ Donzo the Clown if he agrees to launch investigations in to the Biden's. Bolton tells Fiona Hill to report this to the NSC lawyer.

July 18........In a secure call with national security officials, a staff member of the WH OMB announces there’s a freeze on Ukraine aid until further notice, based on a presidential order to the budget office.
Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal

July 25.........the "perfect" call. Immediately after Zelensky offers to buy more military weapons Trump replies by saying "I would like you to do us a favor though" and proceeds to ask Zelensky to look in to the batshyte crazy conspiracy theory about the Crowdstrike server and later to work with Slimy Rudy in investigating the Biden's.
FEC chairwoman reiterates illegality of soliciting campaign help from foreign governments

Two US officials, Catherine Croft and Laura Cooper, have testified that as early as July 25 Ukraine officials expressed concern over the military aid they knew had been approved. “On July 25, a member of my staff got a question from a Ukraine embassy contact asking what was going on with Ukraine security assistance,” Cooper testified.

Aug. 12.......A whistleblower files a formal complaint addressed to Congress that details concerns over the July 25 phone call and the hold placed on the military aid. The complaint is withheld from Congress until Sept. 25. At some point after the call was made alarmed WH and national security officials, including John Eisenberg, make the decision to use a code level secure server to hide.......sorry.........store.......sorry......hide the transcript of the call even though it contains nothing of national security import to justify such a measure. The DoJ is notified of a criminal referral issued by the CIA's top lawyer regarding the call. Despite the obvious violation of the law prohibiting the solicitation of election assistance from a foreign country Billy the Bagman determines the call is no problemo.

Congressional testimony from Sondland, Hill, Vindman, Taylor, Cooper, Volker all corroborate the fact that diplomatic officials were aware the assistance to Ukraine would be held up until an announcement was made by Ukraine that the investigations Trump wanted were being initiated. Sondland testified that...... “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.” He went on to say.......“Was there a quid pro quo? As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

Various WH officials such as................

could offer more details but their testimony is being illegally blocked by the imposition of a claim that does not exist in law, "blanket privilege" for any and all WH officials the prez sees fit to block.

Once the WH became aware Trump had been caught they released the military aid and an edited copy of the call transcript cuz...............what else could they do?

In a nutshell, Trump put a hold on military assistance to use as leverage in order to get Zelensky to agree to announce Ukraine would investigate a political rival of Don's who at the time was the front runner to get the Dem nomination to run for the presidency............breaking two laws.

Do you believe Adam Schiff does not know the Whistleblower as he has REPEATEDLY STATED? Yes or no?

You seriously think something about Schiff and Whistleblower can possibly make the case that Trump DIDN'T do what a mountain of evidence proves he did?

There is only one reason to talk about process characters and not the actual evidence - like most Republicans in the Congress you want the SIDE SHOW, because you can't handle the main stage.

 

[berg80]

Let me say from the outset I fully understand Trumpette's are not typically persuaded by facts.

Congress authorized $391M in aid to Ukraine at the end of 2018. $250M under the control of the DoD and $141M under the control of the Dept. of State.

July 3.........Lt. Col. Vindman testified that is the date when he learned a hold on the aid had been put on.

July 10.......During a meeting at the WH Gordo Sondland makes Ukrainian officials aware Zelensky will only get a WH meeting w/ Donzo the Clown if he agrees to launch investigations in to the Biden's. Bolton tells Fiona Hill to report this to the NSC lawyer.

July 18........In a secure call with national security officials, a staff member of the WH OMB announces there’s a freeze on Ukraine aid until further notice, based on a presidential order to the budget office.
Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal

July 25.........the "perfect" call. Immediately after Zelensky offers to buy more military weapons Trump replies by saying "I would like you to do us a favor though" and proceeds to ask Zelensky to look in to the batshyte crazy conspiracy theory about the Crowdstrike server and later to work with Slimy Rudy in investigating the Biden's.
FEC chairwoman reiterates illegality of soliciting campaign help from foreign governments

Two US officials, Catherine Croft and Laura Cooper, have testified that as early as July 25 Ukraine officials expressed concern over the military aid they knew had been approved. “On July 25, a member of my staff got a question from a Ukraine embassy contact asking what was going on with Ukraine security assistance,” Cooper testified.

Aug. 12.......A whistleblower files a formal complaint addressed to Congress that details concerns over the July 25 phone call and the hold placed on the military aid. The complaint is withheld from Congress until Sept. 25. At some point after the call was made alarmed WH and national security officials, including John Eisenberg, make the decision to use a code level secure server to hide.......sorry.........store.......sorry......hide the transcript of the call even though it contains nothing of national security import to justify such a measure. The DoJ is notified of a criminal referral issued by the CIA's top lawyer regarding the call. Despite the obvious violation of the law prohibiting the solicitation of election assistance from a foreign country Billy the Bagman determines the call is no problemo.

Congressional testimony from Sondland, Hill, Vindman, Taylor, Cooper, Volker all corroborate the fact that diplomatic officials were aware the assistance to Ukraine would be held up until an announcement was made by Ukraine that the investigations Trump wanted were being initiated. Sondland testified that...... “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.” He went on to say.......“Was there a quid pro quo? As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

Various WH officials such as................

could offer more details but their testimony is being illegally blocked by the imposition of a claim that does not exist in law, "blanket privilege" for any and all WH officials the prez sees fit to block.

Once the WH became aware Trump had been caught they released the military aid and an edited copy of the call transcript cuz...............what else could they do?

In a nutshell, Trump put a hold on military assistance to use as leverage in order to get Zelensky to agree to announce Ukraine would investigate a political rival of Don's who at the time was the front runner to get the Dem nomination to run for the presidency............breaking two laws.

Correction

Biden is a former corrupt vice president who is only coincidently running for president

Does your unsubstantiated assertion change the facts in evidence supporting the articles of impeachment? No. But thanks for playing.

 

[berg80]

I'm afraid you are the one with Trump Denial Syndrome.

Please keep this nonsense up. You realize Trump's poll numbers are better than Obama's at the same time in their presidency? With the impeachment and 24/7 negative reporting. You are actually helping him, not hurting him. Keep it up!

The matter before Congress is not whether impeachment helps or hurts Don. It's an issue of holding the POTUS accountable for violations of law.

Horse shit. THe Democrats have twisted the law into a weapon. There is nothing noble about what they are doing.

I've ask them what specific law Trump broke, they cannot tell me.

LOL Berg won't even answer the simple question whether he believes Schiff's claim that he doesn't know the Whistleblower.

What difference does it make? Do you folks have anything other than diversions?

 

[g5000]

Let me say from the outset I fully understand Trumpette's are not typically persuaded by facts.

It is a total waste of time to even try.

We provide foreign aid to 92 countries, many are more corrupt than Ukraine.

Trump never held up the aid to any country nor demanded an investigation into corruption from any of them, except for Ukraine. And even then, he only specified a company connected to his number one political rival.

You have to be literally mentally ill to not get that this was an abuse of power for personal political gain.


Shit, Israel is being led by a guy under indictment! Someone who actually has broken the law!

Trump sent him THREE BILLION DOLLARS without holding it up for one second.

 

[AntonToo]

No announcement was ever made and Ukraine got the aid.

Announcement absolutely was made by Sondland to Ukranian officials and other diplomats that EVERYTHING (the phonecalls, the WH visit and even aid) is conditioned on investigations and public announcements by Zelensky. He testified to it before Congress.

The aid was held back with ZERO sane explanation and released only AFTER CONGRESS OPENED INVESTIGATIONS.


I know you are tipsy drunk and all but COME ON, wake the fuck up and wake up your idiot rightwing friends too.

Sondland has changed his story...None of what he says can be taken at face value.

Well thank god we have all the people directly involved Mulveney, Bolton, Jiuliani and Pompeo to set the record straight. If only those duplicitous Democrats would let them testify they surely would clear everything up and embarass baseless impeachment daydreams.

Right?

 

[Cellblock2429]

Ya know, I was thinking about robbing a bank last week. Told all may friends about it, and they said I shouldn't do that. Then they said, if you do it, you will probably get caught and have to go to jail. So I changed my mind and didn't rob the bank.

I guess that makes me a bank robber, eh?

Only in the mind of someone infected with TDS.

If we follow your analogy Trump would have been talked out of trying to extort Zelensky before he did it. Glad I could help with your confusion.

/-----/ And what about bribery, what about collusion, and what about quid pro quo? What happened to Adam Shytface’s rock solid evidence? And now the democRATs are thinking of backpedaling impeachment and going with censor.”

 

[jknowgood]

Please keep this nonsense up. You realize Trump's poll numbers are better than Obama's at the same time in their presidency? With the impeachment and 24/7 negative reporting. You are actually helping him, not hurting him. Keep it up!

The matter before Congress is not whether impeachment helps or hurts Don. It's an issue of holding the POTUS accountable for violations of law.

Horse shit. THe Democrats have twisted the law into a weapon. There is nothing noble about what they are doing.

I've ask them what specific law Trump broke, they cannot tell me.

LOL Berg won't even answer the simple question whether he believes Schiff's claim that he doesn't know the Whistleblower.

What difference does it make? Do you folks have anything other than diversions?

No, we have the fact that Trump released the transcript of the call he is being impeached over. You have nothing but Biden actually blackmailed them.

 

[Jitss617]

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Whew...boy - you got it bad.

LOL!!!

So.........attempting to refute the facts isn't your thing. Got it.

When you start posting facts instead of opinions, maybe some will honor your idiotic post by responding. Until then, suck it up!

What in the OP is an opinion? Specifically.

What was true? Lol

 

[Mac-7]

Let me say from the outset I fully understand Trumpette's are not typically persuaded by facts.

Congress authorized $391M in aid to Ukraine at the end of 2018. $250M under the control of the DoD and $141M under the control of the Dept. of State.

July 3.........Lt. Col. Vindman testified that is the date when he learned a hold on the aid had been put on.

July 10.......During a meeting at the WH Gordo Sondland makes Ukrainian officials aware Zelensky will only get a WH meeting w/ Donzo the Clown if he agrees to launch investigations in to the Biden's. Bolton tells Fiona Hill to report this to the NSC lawyer.

July 18........In a secure call with national security officials, a staff member of the WH OMB announces there’s a freeze on Ukraine aid until further notice, based on a presidential order to the budget office.
Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal

July 25.........the "perfect" call. Immediately after Zelensky offers to buy more military weapons Trump replies by saying "I would like you to do us a favor though" and proceeds to ask Zelensky to look in to the batshyte crazy conspiracy theory about the Crowdstrike server and later to work with Slimy Rudy in investigating the Biden's.
FEC chairwoman reiterates illegality of soliciting campaign help from foreign governments

Two US officials, Catherine Croft and Laura Cooper, have testified that as early as July 25 Ukraine officials expressed concern over the military aid they knew had been approved. “On July 25, a member of my staff got a question from a Ukraine embassy contact asking what was going on with Ukraine security assistance,” Cooper testified.

Aug. 12.......A whistleblower files a formal complaint addressed to Congress that details concerns over the July 25 phone call and the hold placed on the military aid. The complaint is withheld from Congress until Sept. 25. At some point after the call was made alarmed WH and national security officials, including John Eisenberg, make the decision to use a code level secure server to hide.......sorry.........store.......sorry......hide the transcript of the call even though it contains nothing of national security import to justify such a measure. The DoJ is notified of a criminal referral issued by the CIA's top lawyer regarding the call. Despite the obvious violation of the law prohibiting the solicitation of election assistance from a foreign country Billy the Bagman determines the call is no problemo.

Congressional testimony from Sondland, Hill, Vindman, Taylor, Cooper, Volker all corroborate the fact that diplomatic officials were aware the assistance to Ukraine would be held up until an announcement was made by Ukraine that the investigations Trump wanted were being initiated. Sondland testified that...... “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.” He went on to say.......“Was there a quid pro quo? As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

Various WH officials such as................

could offer more details but their testimony is being illegally blocked by the imposition of a claim that does not exist in law, "blanket privilege" for any and all WH officials the prez sees fit to block.

Once the WH became aware Trump had been caught they released the military aid and an edited copy of the call transcript cuz...............what else could they do?

In a nutshell, Trump put a hold on military assistance to use as leverage in order to get Zelensky to agree to announce Ukraine would investigate a political rival of Don's who at the time was the front runner to get the Dem nomination to run for the presidency............breaking two laws.

Lib facts are not factual.

Putin would be so happy to hear you say that.

Putin is the lib boogyman

 

[Norman]

So.........attempting to refute the facts isn't your thing. Got it.

When you start posting facts instead of opinions, maybe some will honor your idiotic post by responding. Until then, suck it up!

What in the OP is an opinion? Specifically.

The entire post.

Not so. I asked for specific items that are not factually established.

All of them... that is the point.
All of the allegations are "facts" with guilty opinions attached to them.
Ukraine got the money within the deadline, there was no investigation and there were no meetings about the investigation. Trump said he wanted an investigation, that is not illegal. The Democrats are attaching THEIR OPINION that this is Quid Pro Quo. That is not a fact, that is an opinion.

It would have been treason had Trump not asked for investigation. Holding deep state in to account was what he was elected to do.

We still need the investigation into Biden. Just because creepy Joe is running to a meat grinder does not mean he is above the law.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Let me say from the outset I fully understand Trumpette's are not typically persuaded by facts.

Congress authorized $391M in aid to Ukraine at the end of 2018. $250M under the control of the DoD and $141M under the control of the Dept. of State.

July 3.........Lt. Col. Vindman testified that is the date when he learned a hold on the aid had been put on.

July 10.......During a meeting at the WH Gordo Sondland makes Ukrainian officials aware Zelensky will only get a WH meeting w/ Donzo the Clown if he agrees to launch investigations in to the Biden's. Bolton tells Fiona Hill to report this to the NSC lawyer.

July 18........In a secure call with national security officials, a staff member of the WH OMB announces there’s a freeze on Ukraine aid until further notice, based on a presidential order to the budget office.
Trump’s Hold on Ukrainian Military Aid was Illegal

July 25.........the "perfect" call. Immediately after Zelensky offers to buy more military weapons Trump replies by saying "I would like you to do us a favor though" and proceeds to ask Zelensky to look in to the batshyte crazy conspiracy theory about the Crowdstrike server and later to work with Slimy Rudy in investigating the Biden's.
FEC chairwoman reiterates illegality of soliciting campaign help from foreign governments

Two US officials, Catherine Croft and Laura Cooper, have testified that as early as July 25 Ukraine officials expressed concern over the military aid they knew had been approved. “On July 25, a member of my staff got a question from a Ukraine embassy contact asking what was going on with Ukraine security assistance,” Cooper testified.

Aug. 12.......A whistleblower files a formal complaint addressed to Congress that details concerns over the July 25 phone call and the hold placed on the military aid. The complaint is withheld from Congress until Sept. 25. At some point after the call was made alarmed WH and national security officials, including John Eisenberg, make the decision to use a code level secure server to hide.......sorry.........store.......sorry......hide the transcript of the call even though it contains nothing of national security import to justify such a measure. The DoJ is notified of a criminal referral issued by the CIA's top lawyer regarding the call. Despite the obvious violation of the law prohibiting the solicitation of election assistance from a foreign country Billy the Bagman determines the call is no problemo.

Congressional testimony from Sondland, Hill, Vindman, Taylor, Cooper, Volker all corroborate the fact that diplomatic officials were aware the assistance to Ukraine would be held up until an announcement was made by Ukraine that the investigations Trump wanted were being initiated. Sondland testified that...... “Everyone was in the loop. It was no secret.” He went on to say.......“Was there a quid pro quo? As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

Various WH officials such as................

could offer more details but their testimony is being illegally blocked by the imposition of a claim that does not exist in law, "blanket privilege" for any and all WH officials the prez sees fit to block.

Once the WH became aware Trump had been caught they released the military aid and an edited copy of the call transcript cuz...............what else could they do?

In a nutshell, Trump put a hold on military assistance to use as leverage in order to get Zelensky to agree to announce Ukraine would investigate a political rival of Don's who at the time was the front runner to get the Dem nomination to run for the presidency............breaking two laws.

Do you believe Adam Schiff does not know the Whistleblower as he has REPEATEDLY STATED? Yes or no?

You seriously think something about Schiff and Whistleblower can possibly make the case that Trump DIDN'T do what a mountain of evidence proves he did?

There is only one reason to talk about process characters and not the actual evidence - like most Republicans in the Congress you want the SIDE SHOW, because you can't handle the main stage.

Except, there is no evidence. Lol. Quit lying libs. We can see through the deceit.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No aid was ever held up. That's the hardest part for democrats to overcome. In fact, when Ukraine called for aid from shitstain obama all they got were blankets and old MREs. Trump sent Javelin missiles.

 

[g5000]

No aid was ever held up.

Wow.

Like I said. You have to be literally mentally ill. You really should quit drinking so early in the morning.

 

[JustAGuy1]

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Whew...boy - you got it bad.

LOL!!!

So.........attempting to refute the facts isn't your thing. Got it.

Correction, YOUR facts

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

View attachment 294564

Whew...boy - you got it bad.

LOL!!!

So.........attempting to refute the facts isn't your thing. Got it.

I refuted your facts in an another thread so you started a new one and never answered if you were Jewish. Come on man don’t play these childish games. Troll.

Wow. THAT would make a big difference, right?

It actually would but you have no idea why.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I'm afraid you are the one with Trump Denial Syndrome.

Please keep this nonsense up. You realize Trump's poll numbers are better than Obama's at the same time in their presidency? With the impeachment and 24/7 negative reporting. You are actually helping him, not hurting him. Keep it up!

The matter before Congress is not whether impeachment helps or hurts Don. It's an issue of holding the POTUS accountable for violations of law.

Horse shit. THe Democrats have twisted the law into a weapon. There is nothing noble about what they are doing.

I've ask them what specific law Trump broke, they cannot tell me.

LOL Berg won't even answer the simple question whether he believes Schiff's claim that he doesn't know the Whistleblower.

Soon he'll start another thread as he has embarrassed himself yet again.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

No announcement was ever made and Ukraine got the aid.

Announcement absolutely was made by Sondland to Ukranian officials and other diplomats that EVERYTHING (the phonecalls, the WH visit and even aid) is conditioned on investigations and public announcements by Zelensky. He testified to it before Congress.

The aid was held back with ZERO sane explanation and released only AFTER CONGRESS OPENED INVESTIGATIONS.


I know you are tipsy drunk and all but COME ON, wake the fuck up and wake up your idiot rightwing friends too.

Antosha is embarrassing himself again. Poor Antosha.

As for corrupting the 2020 election, even if Ukraine had announced an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden, Trump couldn’t know how effective it would be, how long it would take, or whether it might even exonerate them. The election is still a year away. If the mere announcement of a foreign government’s investigation into corruption can poison a U.S. election, then American democracy must be weaker than even its enemies think.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

No aid was ever held up.

Wow.

Like I said. You have to be literally mentally ill. You really should quit drinking so early in the morning.

Out of context. g5000 is such a little loser troll.