They're Trying To Compare Obamacare With Katrina Now

[JoeB131]

The VA and Military are run as socialized medicine, guy. And they run pretty well. If you want that system for the whole country, I'm good with that.

holy shit ...you didn't....

He doesn't understand separation of powers or that between civilian/military...I'll bet he doesn't understand that Congress sets the tone for military affairs...but Joey as a totalitarian?

Thinks Centralized Government is the way to go and the Founders were quacks...The Republic in his mind doesn't exist...only a formality...just like his hero Obama.

There's no issue here at all.

The reason why the military and veterans get top notch medical coverage is because we just wouldn't tolerate it. Like when Idiot Bush screwed up Walter Reed, there was hell to pay.

We shouldn't tolerate it for anyone else, either.

And, no, I don't worry about what the Founding Slave-Rapists thought. They though bleeding people was valid medical treatment.

 

[JoeB131]

Poor people m ight actually get health insurance. How horrible.

Much worse than letting them drown like kittens like Bush did.

Then again, they might not. The main thing is, the insurance industry will be at the center of every .... single.... health care .... transaction, getting their cut. Thanks Obama!!!

I agree, the fact we didn't go direct to single payer is the problem. The reality is our system is too engrained for a revolutionary change.

 

[dblack]

Poor people m ight actually get health insurance. How horrible.

Much worse than letting them drown like kittens like Bush did.

Then again, they might not. The main thing is, the insurance industry will be at the center of every .... single.... health care .... transaction, getting their cut. Thanks Obama!!!

I agree, the fact we didn't go direct to single payer is the problem. The reality is our system is too engrained for a revolutionary change.

Right. We can't make it better, so hey! Let's make it worse! Go Team!

 

[Zoom-boing]

You sound like a poster who is ignorant to the harm Obamacare poses to ALL Americans.

Just how superficial and immature do you think WE are?

The harm that is....healthcare ZOMG!

Nope, the Affordable Care Act is about government control.

July 08, 2012 12:00 am • By Doug Ross,

The Affordable Care Act consists primarily of taking away many of our liberties by advocating health care for the less fortunate.

The government does not possess the authority to require an individual to purchase health insurance, so why try trick the uniformed into thinking the government knows what is best for them?

The Affordable Care Act is about government control over a large market and the welfare of those people. As more companies drop their health insurance plans, those individuals will be required to join a government-controlled health plan and be subservient to that ideology.

This is just what the socialistic president wants — more people dependent on government and therefore more control over those individual lives. Again, just smoke and mirrors. Watch this hand while I steal your liberties.

— Jack Jaros, Whiting

Affordable Care Act is about government control

They don't know that if their insurance drops their coverage they can go get another individual policy, they don't have to get a policy from the (un)aca. Mums the word on that.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Americans died because Republicans ignored them.

Americans died because they don't have health care because Republicans are blocking it.

Seems like every times large numbers of Americans die, Republicans are behind it. Look at Iraq.

No they're not.

The (un)aca is law of the land, written, promoted, passed by dems. Millions have lost the insurance they liked but couldn't keep. Americans die because dems took their insurance away. The left owns this mess lock stock and barrel. Too bad you don't like owning it, you're keeping it. Period.

 

[mudwhistle]

holy shit ...you didn't....

He doesn't understand separation of powers or that between civilian/military...I'll bet he doesn't understand that Congress sets the tone for military affairs...but Joey as a totalitarian?

Thinks Centralized Government is the way to go and the Founders were quacks...The Republic in his mind doesn't exist...only a formality...just like his hero Obama.

There's no issue here at all.

The reason why the military and veterans get top notch medical coverage is because we just wouldn't tolerate it. Like when Idiot Bush screwed up Walter Reed, there was hell to pay.

We shouldn't tolerate it for anyone else, either.

And, no, I don't worry about what the Founding Slave-Rapists thought. They though bleeding people was valid medical treatment.

How did Bush screw up at Walter Reed?

Did he allow the paint to peel in the bathrooms? Did Bush cause mildew to collect in the showers?

Does Bush have to chip the paint and repaint all walls, ceilings, and surfaces in Walter Reed?

Do you expect Obama to do the same, or is that beneath him?

 

[flacaltenn]

Poor people m ight actually get health insurance. How horrible.

Much worse than letting them drown like kittens like Bush did.

Oh. So that explains why the low cost cheapy bronze plans are on the exchange.. so the poor can learn how 5000 dollar deductibles and only 50% payouts can bankrupt them in an eyeblink. OBAMA DIDNT WANT anyone selling crappy insurance EXCEPT at HIS little lemonade stand.. Those crappy Obamacare products are gonna KILL folks...

 

[JoeB131]

He doesn't understand separation of powers or that between civilian/military...I'll bet he doesn't understand that Congress sets the tone for military affairs...but Joey as a totalitarian?

Thinks Centralized Government is the way to go and the Founders were quacks...The Republic in his mind doesn't exist...only a formality...just like his hero Obama.

There's no issue here at all.

The reason why the military and veterans get top notch medical coverage is because we just wouldn't tolerate it. Like when Idiot Bush screwed up Walter Reed, there was hell to pay.

We shouldn't tolerate it for anyone else, either.

And, no, I don't worry about what the Founding Slave-Rapists thought. They though bleeding people was valid medical treatment.

How did Bush screw up at Walter Reed?

Did he allow the paint to peel in the bathrooms? Did Bush cause mildew to collect in the showers?

Does Bush have to chip the paint and repaint all walls, ceilings, and surfaces in Walter Reed?

Do you expect Obama to do the same, or is that beneath him?

He is the one who went to war without setting aside enough resources to treat the thousands of wounded that would come back, and they ended up being housed in abandoned buildings in a facility that had been slated to be closed down.

Seriously, Bush pretty much fucked up anything he encountered. I guess he was waiting for Daddy's friends to bail him out.

 

[The Rabbi]

There's no issue here at all.

The reason why the military and veterans get top notch medical coverage is because we just wouldn't tolerate it. Like when Idiot Bush screwed up Walter Reed, there was hell to pay.

We shouldn't tolerate it for anyone else, either.

And, no, I don't worry about what the Founding Slave-Rapists thought. They though bleeding people was valid medical treatment.

How did Bush screw up at Walter Reed?

Did he allow the paint to peel in the bathrooms? Did Bush cause mildew to collect in the showers?

Does Bush have to chip the paint and repaint all walls, ceilings, and surfaces in Walter Reed?

Do you expect Obama to do the same, or is that beneath him?

He is the one who went to war without setting aside enough resources to treat the thousands of wounded that would come back, and they ended up being housed in abandoned buildings in a facility that had been slated to be closed down.

Seriously, Bush pretty much fucked up anything he encountered. I guess he was waiting for Daddy's friends to bail him out.

Proof?
Oh yeah, you don't do proof.

 

[Sallow]

Americans died because Republicans ignored them.

Americans died because they don't have health care because Republicans are blocking it.

Seems like every times large numbers of Americans die, Republicans are behind it. Look at Iraq.

No they're not.

The (un)aca is law of the land, written, promoted, passed by dems. Millions have lost the insurance they liked but couldn't keep. Americans die because dems took their insurance away. The left owns this mess lock stock and barrel. Too bad you don't like owning it, you're keeping it. Period.

Link the deaths..

Here..I'll show you..

Brewer Backs Down On Transplant Funding, But Now Wants To Kick A Quarter Million People Off Medicaid | ThinkProgress

Conservative Heroine and Republican Governor Jan Brewer cut funding for several patients and they died as a direct result of that.

Go

 

[TemplarKormac]

Poor people m ight actually get health insurance. How horrible.

Much worse than letting them drown like kittens like Bush did.

Since when is Health Care a right?
Where was the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisiana, dipshit.
Using your logic - the typhoon in the Phillippines is Obama's fault.

What a blathering asswipe...

1) There are no "rights", guy.

It can't be a "right" if it can be taken away from you. Since anything CAN be taken away from you, what you really have are privilages that society thinks you should have.

So the qeustion really is, should health care be a consumer commodity that only the well-off can afford? "If you have to ask, you can't afford it!"

Or should it be a public service that all citizens should have access to like police and fire protection and clean water and clean air.

2) Pointing out that other officials should have done more doesn't take away from the fact that Bush utterly failed as a leader. Keep in mind, after 9/11, he spent BILLIONS of dollars constructing this elaborate system of disaster relief and consolidated dozens of agencies under the banner of "Homeland Security".

And on it's first big test, it failed, miserably, and hundreds of people died.

There are no rights, huh? Exactly, this is why Obamacare failed. This is why your argument fails. You believe that there are no rights, just privileges to be doled out and taken away on the very whim of the state. People have the right to choose their own form of health insurance. Hence, the 5th Amendment right to life, liberty and property.

 

[TooTall]

Who is "they"?

Partisan hacks who don't know the difference between a natural disaster and and man made disaster.

 

[JoeB131]

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There are no rights, huh? Exactly, this is why Obamacare failed. This is why your argument fails. You believe that there are no rights, just privileges to be doled out and taken away on the very whim of the state. People have the right to choose their own form of health insurance. Hence, the 5th Amendment right to life, liberty and property.

Um, no, guy, that ain't how it works at all.

you see, the fifth amendments says that you aren't required to give testimony against yourself.

But the police used to slap confessions out of poor people all the time. Sometimes confessions for things they didn't do. Then you had something called the Miranda Case, and suddenly, "Oh, yeah, that Fifth Amendment Thing!"

There are no "rights". There are just what society thinks, "Yeah, that sounds reasonable".

Any fool who thinks he has "rights" needs to look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942". That's how fast rights disappear when society decides they do. And, no it isn't the state, the state merely does what popular opinion wants.

 

[Sallow]

Since when is Health Care a right?
Where was the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of Louisiana, dipshit.
Using your logic - the typhoon in the Phillippines is Obama's fault.

What a blathering asswipe...

1) There are no "rights", guy.

It can't be a "right" if it can be taken away from you. Since anything CAN be taken away from you, what you really have are privilages that society thinks you should have.

So the qeustion really is, should health care be a consumer commodity that only the well-off can afford? "If you have to ask, you can't afford it!"

Or should it be a public service that all citizens should have access to like police and fire protection and clean water and clean air.

2) Pointing out that other officials should have done more doesn't take away from the fact that Bush utterly failed as a leader. Keep in mind, after 9/11, he spent BILLIONS of dollars constructing this elaborate system of disaster relief and consolidated dozens of agencies under the banner of "Homeland Security".

And on it's first big test, it failed, miserably, and hundreds of people died.

There are no rights, huh? Exactly, this is why Obamacare failed. This is why your argument fails. You believe that there are no rights, just privileges to be doled out and taken away on the very whim of the state. People have the right to choose their own form of health insurance. Hence, the 5th Amendment right to life, liberty and property.

ObamaCare hasn't failed.

Quite the opposite. It's been a wild success. It's already saved billions and done a great deal to help the elderly get prescriptions with a price that is affordable. It's rooted out fraud, got rid of redundancies and is modernizing the way the medical profession keeps records. Absent from your folks diatribe is all those facts. What you folks are complaining about is a website never meant to service 34 states and shitty insurance policies issued after the law took effect so that companies could jack them up and blame Obama. It's actually doing better than the rollout of medicare part D or RomneyCare.

 

[mudwhistle]

There's no issue here at all.

The reason why the military and veterans get top notch medical coverage is because we just wouldn't tolerate it. Like when Idiot Bush screwed up Walter Reed, there was hell to pay.

We shouldn't tolerate it for anyone else, either.

And, no, I don't worry about what the Founding Slave-Rapists thought. They though bleeding people was valid medical treatment.

How did Bush screw up at Walter Reed?

Did he allow the paint to peel in the bathrooms? Did Bush cause mildew to collect in the showers?

Does Bush have to chip the paint and repaint all walls, ceilings, and surfaces in Walter Reed?

Do you expect Obama to do the same, or is that beneath him?

He is the one who went to war without setting aside enough resources to treat the thousands of wounded that would come back, and they ended up being housed in abandoned buildings in a facility that had been slated to be closed down.

Seriously, Bush pretty much fucked up anything he encountered. I guess he was waiting for Daddy's friends to bail him out.

Dude, STFU.

Here at Ft Campbell my shop is in a building that was slated for demolition 4 years ago, but because of budget cuts from the White House we're staying here till further notice. To be honest, I don't see why we're moving. There's nothing wrong with the building. It's just old. Outpatient housing facilities are lower priority than Inpatient housing. So of course they don't get the best there is. Their injuries are less serious. They're on temporary status waiting for reassignment or waiting for orders to go back to their units. Let's not forget that the only thing the press found wrong with those facilities was a little mildew and peeling paint. Some of the new facilities on post they just got through building already have serious HVAC issues out the gate because of poor construction, poor design, and maintenance issues.


I suggest you STFU till you can comment on something you know about.

 

[mudwhistle]

1) There are no "rights", guy.

It can't be a "right" if it can be taken away from you. Since anything CAN be taken away from you, what you really have are privilages that society thinks you should have.

So the qeustion really is, should health care be a consumer commodity that only the well-off can afford? "If you have to ask, you can't afford it!"

Or should it be a public service that all citizens should have access to like police and fire protection and clean water and clean air.

2) Pointing out that other officials should have done more doesn't take away from the fact that Bush utterly failed as a leader. Keep in mind, after 9/11, he spent BILLIONS of dollars constructing this elaborate system of disaster relief and consolidated dozens of agencies under the banner of "Homeland Security".

And on it's first big test, it failed, miserably, and hundreds of people died.

There are no rights, huh? Exactly, this is why Obamacare failed. This is why your argument fails. You believe that there are no rights, just privileges to be doled out and taken away on the very whim of the state. People have the right to choose their own form of health insurance. Hence, the 5th Amendment right to life, liberty and property.

ObamaCare hasn't failed.

Quite the opposite. It's been a wild success. It's already saved billions and done a great deal to help the elderly get prescriptions with a price that is affordable. It's rooted out fraud, got rid of redundancies and is modernizing the way the medical profession keeps records. Absent from your folks diatribe is all those facts. What you folks are complaining about is a website never meant to service 34 states and shitty insurance policies issued after the law took effect so that companies could jack them up and blame Obama. It's actually doing better than the rollout of medicare part D or RomneyCare.

Dude, cut back on the Crack pipe.

 

[JoeB131]

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Dude, STFU.

Here at Ft Campbell my shop is in a building that was slated for demolition 4 years ago, but because of budget cuts from the White House we're staying here till further notice. To be honest, I don't see why we're moving. There's nothing wrong with the building. It's just old. Outpatient housing facilities are lower priority than Inpatient housing. So of course they don't get the best there is. Their injuries are less serious. They're on temporary status waiting for reassignment or waiting for orders to go back to their units. Let's not forget that the only thing the press found wrong with those facilities was a little mildew and peeling paint.


I suggest you STFU till you can comment on something you know about.

Guy, now your SHOP is in a government building? Man, your hand out for the government handouts never seems to end, does it.

Maybe you can swap screenames with that guy who calls himself "Welfare Queen". It would be more honest.

If the Army knew it was going to put guys in those outpatient barracks, they should have cleaned them up before putting troops in there. But Bush didn't set aside the funds to do that. He was too busy paying Halliburton $20.00 for a hamburger.

 

[Seawytch]

if it's good enough for soldiers and veterans it's good enough for the poor.......

The VA and Military are run as socialized medicine, guy. And they run pretty well. If you want that system for the whole country, I'm good with that.

Ever tried to use it lately?

As a matter of fact, a good friend is using it exclusively and he is loving it. Of course, here in CA we have excellent VA medical facilities, some of the best.

 

[Seawytch]

Medicaid and Emergency room treatment is FREE and so are the thousands of easily accessible FREE City and County operated clinics and Hospitals. That takes affordable and accessible off of the table.

You do have to make an appointment to a clinic, and the millions of FREE obamaphones that the poor have can be used to do that.

Most of the Doctors at these FREE clinics volunteer their services and are the same Doctors that the paying customers see. That takes quality health care off of the table

Next!

Emergency Room treatment is certainly not free. It costs you and me lots of money to give that "free" treatment.

The question was tens of millions did not get affordable health care. They got health care FREE at the emergency room and that sure is affordable for them. The fact that it costs me and you is irrelevant.
Can you imagine what it is going to cost me and you to buy a health insurance policy for those tens of millions? And the cost of the government bureaucracy to administer the program will rival the losses we have in the post office.

The cost of the insurance is less than the cost of treating 40 million people without it.

The actual most cost effective way to deliver healthcare to all Americans would be Single Payer.

 

[Sallow]

There are no rights, huh? Exactly, this is why Obamacare failed. This is why your argument fails. You believe that there are no rights, just privileges to be doled out and taken away on the very whim of the state. People have the right to choose their own form of health insurance. Hence, the 5th Amendment right to life, liberty and property.

ObamaCare hasn't failed.

Quite the opposite. It's been a wild success. It's already saved billions and done a great deal to help the elderly get prescriptions with a price that is affordable. It's rooted out fraud, got rid of redundancies and is modernizing the way the medical profession keeps records. Absent from your folks diatribe is all those facts. What you folks are complaining about is a website never meant to service 34 states and shitty insurance policies issued after the law took effect so that companies could jack them up and blame Obama. It's actually doing better than the rollout of medicare part D or RomneyCare.

Dude, cut back on the Crack pipe.

What's up man? Reality sucking for you?

11 facts about the Affordable Care Act