This Does It. I'm never visiting England

[Jos]

Its not about washing hands, Its about having bare forearms or covering sleeves with disposable cuffs

 

[PredFan]

Using disposable gloves is cleaner

Yeah you know more than the medical community does about this. Maybe you should share this knowledge with the AMA.

 

[PredFan]

Its not about washing hands, Its about having bare forearms or covering sleeves with disposable cuffs

You are required to scrub up to your elbows for sterile procedures. If we're only talking about routine patient contact, but that isn't what I gathered from the article.

 

[Jos]

did you read the link? Muslim staff escape NHS hygiene rule - Telegraph

The dispute is about having bare arms, not about the need to scrub up

 

[Jos]

I wonder if Muslim women are allowed....
to groom.....

You know,down there!

According to the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) every adult Muslim, as a part of keeping his/her body clean, should remove the hair on his pubic area and that, which grows under his/her armpits. This hair may be removed through any method that one feels comfortable with. A person should not let this hair grow for more than (around) forty days, as has been reported in a number of narratives ascribed to the Prophet (pbuh).
Shaving Pubic Hair [5502] -Customs and Symbols - Understanding Islam

 

[eflatminor]

Its not about washing hands

Should be of great comfort to the patients that will acquire fungal and bacterial infections...

Its about having bare forearms or covering sleeves with disposable cuffs

So cover your forearms...AFTER you wash up, please.

 

[PredFan]

did you read the link? Muslim staff escape NHS hygiene rule - Telegraph

The dispute is about having bare arms, not about the need to scrub up

How are you going to scrub up to your elbows with sleeves on?

 

[PredFan]

Its not about washing hands

Should be of great comfort to the patients that will acquire fungal and bacterial infections...

Its about having bare forearms or covering sleeves with disposable cuffs

So cover your forearms...AFTER you wash up, please.

Sorry, that won't work. The purpose of scrubbing up to one's elbows is to maintain a sterile area. Your sleeves are not sterile.

 

[eflatminor]

Its not about washing hands

Should be of great comfort to the patients that will acquire fungal and bacterial infections...

Its about having bare forearms or covering sleeves with disposable cuffs

So cover your forearms...AFTER you wash up, please.

Sorry, that won't work. The purpose of scrubbing up to one's elbows is to maintain a sterile area. Your sleeves are not sterile.

I stand corrected.

Another thought: If the nurse just can't abide by basic hygiene measures, try a different profession.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

UK allows Muslim nurses to not wash to protect their ?modesty? | EUTimes.net

What the fuck?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Ok so the scenery is nice, the taxi drivers are knowlegable, and the beer is warm so that makes up for the serious case of nosocomial sepsis you can get if you get injured there.

No thanks.

It does seem like these people aren't reading even the title of the article, doesn't it?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Consider the "source" of this Story, IslamoCare | FrontPage Magazine


Female staff who follow the Islamic faith will be allowed to cover their arms to preserve their modesty despite earlier guidance that all staff should be "bare below the elbow".

The Department of Health has also relaxed rules prohibiting jewellery so that Sikh members of staff can wear bangles linked with their faith, providing they are pushed up the arm while the medic treats a patient.

The Mail on Sunday reported the change had been made after female Muslims objected to being required to expose their arm below the elbow under guidance introduced by Alan Johnson when he was health secretary in 2007. Some Muslim staff and those from other groups may be allowed to use disposable plastic over-sleeves which cover their clothes below the elbow and allow the skin to remain covered up.
Muslim staff escape NHS hygiene rule - Telegraph

Does the source somehow change the fact that this endangers patients?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Using disposable gloves is cleaner

Seriously stupid remark.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

did you read the link? Muslim staff escape NHS hygiene rule - Telegraph

The dispute is about having bare arms, not about the need to scrub up

Ever wash your hands while wearing a long sleeve shirt? The only issue that matters is patient safety, not modesty.

 

[Jos]

Its not about washing hands

Should be of great comfort to the patients that will acquire fungal and bacterial infections...

Its about having bare forearms or covering sleeves with disposable cuffs

So cover your forearms...AFTER you wash up, please.

Sorry, that won't work. The purpose of scrubbing up to one's elbows is to maintain a sterile area. Your sleeves are not sterile.

thats why they use disposable cuffs, to cover their forearms, after scrubbing up

 

[Jos]

Using disposable gloves is cleaner

Seriously stupid remark.

would you rather be touched by bare hands (washed) or disposable gloves?

 

[Jos]

did you read the link? Muslim staff escape NHS hygiene rule - Telegraph

The dispute is about having bare arms, not about the need to scrub up

Ever wash your hands while wearing a long sleeve shirt? The only issue that matters is patient safety, not modesty.

yep, I rolled up the sleeves

 

[PredFan]

Should be of great comfort to the patients that will acquire fungal and bacterial infections...



So cover your forearms...AFTER you wash up, please.

Sorry, that won't work. The purpose of scrubbing up to one's elbows is to maintain a sterile area. Your sleeves are not sterile.

thats why they use disposable cuffs, to cover their forearms, after scrubbing up

Yeah you really don't know much about the subject you're arguing.

 

[PredFan]

Using disposable gloves is cleaner

Seriously stupid remark.

would you rather be touched by bare hands (washed) or disposable gloves?

I would rather be touched by bare hands that washed first.

If you knew anything about what you are arguing, you'd know that gloves in boxes of 100 aren't guaranteed to be clean. Proper washing of hands is THE BEST way to prevent nosocomial infections.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Using disposable gloves is cleaner

Seriously stupid remark.

would you rather be touched by bare hands (washed) or disposable gloves?

Consider this, disposable gloves are not, in and of themselves, sterile. They are stored in cardboard boxes in rooms where the previous patient could have had viral hemorrhagic fever, and are designed solely to reduce the risk of transfer of disease from the patient to the doctor.

Which probably explains why I want both.