This is how socialism always ends...repression, violence, death, starvation, riots

[Missouri_Mike]

Kosher, you mean like Sweden, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, etc you may be looking in the wrong direction. Look to the South in America, there you'd see republican ruled democracy leads to early death. Wake up girl, these third world nations aren't socialism, they autocracies, plutocracy, or some dictatorships, and actually they lack social and political structure. You righties are so easily played, no wonder Trump is your fearless leader.

Life expectancy differs by 20 years among some US counties - CNN.com

"In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." H.L. Mencken

As some who has lived all over the world the method of Government proposed by the righties here will descend US to being like south Africa... They have no social net, College is effectively private and Healthcare is a mess unless private... You have a percentage of the population who are doing alright and huge mass doing very badly, crime is very high and gun crime is through the roof.

Problem is the righties can't show us a country which does have socialism and is successful... Just show us one country of a descent size which has no socialism... The top 30 have all got a good deal of social programs and effectively are social democracies...

What nonsense, and totally irrelevant. Try to stick to the topic we're talking about.

I didn't say "every country with socialist programs ends in violence, despair and starvation".

Maybe you should re-read the op. Try to stick to it. You can do it!

Your title
this-is-how-socialism-always-ends-repression-violence-death-starvation

Is Canada a socialist country?

Which country has 'no socialism'?

Which ones have too much? And how far are you willing to push that line?

 

[CowboyTed]

Tell us a country with no socialism which is running well?

Tell me the top ten countries with the highest rape rate per capita.

First you have to get a universal description of Rape...

There is also the point about reporting it... Rape is very under report crime...

Example:
At least 25% of U.S. military women have been sexually assaulted, and up to 80% have been sexually harassed.[2] A 2012 Pentagon survey found that approximately 26,000 women and men were sexually assaulted. Of those, only 3,374 cases were reported. In 2013, a new Pentagon report found that 5,061 troops reported cases of assault. Some are optimistic that this increase in reports is indicative of victims "growing more comfortable in the system." Of these reported, however, only 484 cases went to trial, and only 376 resulted in convictions.[3] Another investigation found that one in five females in the United States Air Force reported having been sexually assaulted by service members.[4]

So out of 26,000 they got 376 convictions... 1.4% of crimes.... And by the way 25% of women getting Raped...

On present Rape Stats globally the US has 15 times more reported rapes than Pakistan... Would you consider that serious?

Rape statistics - Wikipedia

Reporting rape in Pakistan carries a likely death sentence, so yes, I consider the oppression of women in Pakistan serious.

Reporting Rape in any country has more to how the victim is treated rather than how much the crime is going on... Those US Army figures are shocking and show the US was guilty of a lot too..

or it shows a lot of women making fraudulent claims because they're mad at their CO or hope for a lawsuit.

Are you serious?

There is many multiple time rapes not reported than false claims of rape... Winning a rape case has a 7.4% chance of success and Women in the Army said it destroyed there careers... This has been acknowledged as a systematic screw up in the Military.

Why would defend rapists without being informed... With 25% of women getting sexually assaulted actually more men get raped... You are more like to be raped in the US Military than be killed by the enemy, shows you do need to have courage in the army.

 

[CowboyTed]

This is how socialism always ends...repression, violence, death, starvation, riots

We're watching it in Venezuela now and you need a fucking link to find it? How dumb are you?

Venezuela is a screwed up country far before Socialism and that wasn't the statement... ALWAYS was used... We have shown plenty of places with socialism and those things don't exist in major levels...

We can only find one countries with no socialism as complete lawless states...

It was literally in the top fucking ten of prosperous nations before socialism. Now it's no better than some African third world shithole.

Are you not able to follow that?

When?????

The country was alway a bit of a basket case... Hugo made it worse... It was being socialist but being clueless and that can happen to any economy..

Who is to blame for Venezuela’s economic collapse?

But this thread states ALL countries with socialist programs are doomed...

 

[koshergrl]

This is how socialism always ends...repression, violence, death, starvation, riots

We're watching it in Venezuela now and you need a fucking link to find it? How dumb are you?

Venezuela is a screwed up country far before Socialism and that wasn't the statement... ALWAYS was used... We have shown plenty of places with socialism and those things don't exist in major levels...

We can only find one countries with no socialism as complete lawless states...

It was literally in the top fucking ten of prosperous nations before socialism. Now it's no better than some African third world shithole.

Are you not able to follow that?

When?????

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The country was alway a bit of a basket case... Hugo made it worse... It was being socialist but being clueless and that can happen to any economy..

Who is to blame for Venezuela’s economic collapse?

But this thread states ALL countries with socialist programs are doomed...

No, that is not what I said. That is a lie told to.establish a false narrartive, because there is no intelligent rebuttal to the historic reality of the nature of socialism.. And I already pointed that out when the lie was first stated in this thread.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Kosher, you mean like Sweden, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, etc you may be looking in the wrong direction. Look to the South in America, there you'd see republican ruled democracy leads to early death. Wake up girl, these third world nations aren't socialism, they autocracies, plutocracy, or some dictatorships, and actually they lack social and political structure. You righties are so easily played, no wonder Trump is your fearless leader.

Life expectancy differs by 20 years among some US counties - CNN.com

"In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." H.L. Mencken

How sick in the fucking head do you have to be to defend the Progressive destruction of Venezuela

 

[koshergrl]

Kosher, you mean like Sweden, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, etc you may be looking in the wrong direction. Look to the South in America, there you'd see republican ruled democracy leads to early death. Wake up girl, these third world nations aren't socialism, they autocracies, plutocracy, or some dictatorships, and actually they lack social and political structure. You righties are so easily played, no wonder Trump is your fearless leader.

Life expectancy differs by 20 years among some US counties - CNN.com

"In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." H.L. Mencken

How sick in the fucking head do you have to be to defend the Progressive destruction of Venezuela

Midcan is infamous for his mental illness. Hes rightnup.there with luds and old fag.

 

[CowboyTed]

This is how socialism always ends...repression, violence, death, starvation, riots

We're watching it in Venezuela now and you need a fucking link to find it? How dumb are you?

Venezuela is a screwed up country far before Socialism and that wasn't the statement... ALWAYS was used... We have shown plenty of places with socialism and those things don't exist in major levels...

We can only find one countries with no socialism as complete lawless states...

It was literally in the top fucking ten of prosperous nations before socialism. Now it's no better than some African third world shithole.

Are you not able to follow that?

When?????

View attachment 125622

The country was alway a bit of a basket case... Hugo made it worse... It was being socialist but being clueless and that can happen to any economy..

Who is to blame for Venezuela’s economic collapse?

But this thread states ALL countries with socialist programs are doomed...

No, that is not what I said. That is a false narrative. And I already pointed that out when the lie was first stated in this thread.

I willing to say Venezuela was a shit hole and continued to be a shit hole with Hugo in charge in much of the same way as the no social programs didn't make Somalia a shit hole.

The truth is that that countries are run on balance... No socialism is actually anarchy and doesn't work just as too much too much Socialism is Communism and that doesn't work either... Every country has there balance between them.. That is why this headline is complete nonsense.

If then look at what is a government good at running and not good at then you can see results... Empirical evidence shows the Government are actually better at running Healthcare than Private, they do cheaper and get better results. That doesn't mean there should be no private insurance, universal care in Europe is a basic level cover (basic varies by country) but you have the option to buy more... I pay about $100 a month to get that top up but I can go higher or lower. But I have the most popular plan... About 50% of Irish people have private insurance...

While manufacturing is generally better by private business, they get the best out of innovation and creativity...

Balancing act...

The Government could own the road but use private business to maintain them... Nothing wrong with that either....

 

[koshergrl]

Gotta love the faggots. They can be comical.

Resorting to childish insults... Debate seems to be over.

We must have won then...

Nope.

Socialism always ends in disaster.

 

[koshergrl]

We're watching it in Venezuela now and you need a fucking link to find it? How dumb are you?

Venezuela is a screwed up country far before Socialism and that wasn't the statement... ALWAYS was used... We have shown plenty of places with socialism and those things don't exist in major levels...

We can only find one countries with no socialism as complete lawless states...

It was literally in the top fucking ten of prosperous nations before socialism. Now it's no better than some African third world shithole.

Are you not able to follow that?

When?????

View attachment 125622

The country was alway a bit of a basket case... Hugo made it worse... It was being socialist but being clueless and that can happen to any economy..

Who is to blame for Venezuela’s economic collapse?

But this thread states ALL countries with socialist programs are doomed...

No, that is not what I said. That is a false narrative. And I already pointed that out when the lie was first stated in this thread.

I willing to say Venezuela was a shit hole and continued to be a shit hole with Hugo in charge in much of the same way as the no social programs didn't make Somalia a shit hole.

The truth is that that countries are run on balance... No socialism is actually anarchy and doesn't work just as too much too much Socialism is Communism and that doesn't work either... Every country has there balance between them.. That is why this headline is complete nonsense.

If then look at what is a government good at running and not good at then you can see results... Empirical evidence shows the Government are actually better at running Healthcare than Private, they do cheaper and get better results. That doesn't mean there should be no private insurance, universal care in Europe is a basic level cover (basic varies by country) but you have the option to buy more... I pay about $100 a month to get that top up but I can go higher or lower. But I have the most popular plan... About 50% of Irish people have private insurance...

While manufacturing is generally better by private business, they get the best out of innovation and creativity...

Balancing act...

The Government could own the road but use private business to maintain them... Nothing wrong with that either....

paraphrase..."Next time it will work great!"

 

[Wyatt earp]

"The Scandinavian countries are regularly praised for their income equality,quality of life, gender equality, maternal care and many other traits, not just by leftist politicians and activists, but also by left-leaning economists like Paul Krugman. The Scandinavian model, they believe, is the ultimate proof that you can combine a high-growth economy with a generous welfare state.
"The problem is that much of the praise is wrong."

"...despite what many in the American left who idealizes Scandinavia might wish, the success was not achieved thanks to the welfare state model, but perhaps despite its existence.

"Scandinavia’s success came before the welfare state, not after it. Between 1936 and 2008, when much of the welfare expansion occurred, Sweden’s growth rate dropped to being the 13th highest out of 28 industrialized countries.

"During the decades before, between 1870 and 1936, Sweden had enjoyed the highest economic growth in the entire industrialized world. Moreover, in the most intense period of “third-way” policies of market socialism, between the 1970s and 1990s, Sweden’s economic performance was exceptionally low. This period, however, was an exception: for most of its modern history, Sweden has been anything but a socialist mecca."

Sorry Leftist Americans, Your Swedish Utopia Does Not Exist

No Utopia exists but Sweden certainly has things like healthcare figured out much better than anything you'll ever get from conservatives in the US.

Yet who has an Air Craft carrier named the George Bush right now protecting their oil in the straight?

 

[CowboyTed]

Venezuela is a screwed up country far before Socialism and that wasn't the statement... ALWAYS was used... We have shown plenty of places with socialism and those things don't exist in major levels...

We can only find one countries with no socialism as complete lawless states...

It was literally in the top fucking ten of prosperous nations before socialism. Now it's no better than some African third world shithole.

Are you not able to follow that?

When?????

View attachment 125622

The country was alway a bit of a basket case... Hugo made it worse... It was being socialist but being clueless and that can happen to any economy..

Who is to blame for Venezuela’s economic collapse?

But this thread states ALL countries with socialist programs are doomed...

No, that is not what I said. That is a false narrative. And I already pointed that out when the lie was first stated in this thread.

I willing to say Venezuela was a shit hole and continued to be a shit hole with Hugo in charge in much of the same way as the no social programs didn't make Somalia a shit hole.

The truth is that that countries are run on balance... No socialism is actually anarchy and doesn't work just as too much too much Socialism is Communism and that doesn't work either... Every country has there balance between them.. That is why this headline is complete nonsense.

If then look at what is a government good at running and not good at then you can see results... Empirical evidence shows the Government are actually better at running Healthcare than Private, they do cheaper and get better results. That doesn't mean there should be no private insurance, universal care in Europe is a basic level cover (basic varies by country) but you have the option to buy more... I pay about $100 a month to get that top up but I can go higher or lower. But I have the most popular plan... About 50% of Irish people have private insurance...

While manufacturing is generally better by private business, they get the best out of innovation and creativity...

Balancing act...

The Government could own the road but use private business to maintain them... Nothing wrong with that either....

paraphrase..."Next time it will work great!"

So are you saying no socialism.

Cause that means no Defense, Environmental Protection, Police, Schools, Roads,.... Are you suggesting these should be all privatised?

 

[koshergrl]

It was literally in the top fucking ten of prosperous nations before socialism. Now it's no better than some African third world shithole.

Are you not able to follow that?

When?????

View attachment 125622

The country was alway a bit of a basket case... Hugo made it worse... It was being socialist but being clueless and that can happen to any economy..

Who is to blame for Venezuela’s economic collapse?

But this thread states ALL countries with socialist programs are doomed...

No, that is not what I said. That is a false narrative. And I already pointed that out when the lie was first stated in this thread.

I willing to say Venezuela was a shit hole and continued to be a shit hole with Hugo in charge in much of the same way as the no social programs didn't make Somalia a shit hole.

The truth is that that countries are run on balance... No socialism is actually anarchy and doesn't work just as too much too much Socialism is Communism and that doesn't work either... Every country has there balance between them.. That is why this headline is complete nonsense.

If then look at what is a government good at running and not good at then you can see results... Empirical evidence shows the Government are actually better at running Healthcare than Private, they do cheaper and get better results. That doesn't mean there should be no private insurance, universal care in Europe is a basic level cover (basic varies by country) but you have the option to buy more... I pay about $100 a month to get that top up but I can go higher or lower. But I have the most popular plan... About 50% of Irish people have private insurance...

While manufacturing is generally better by private business, they get the best out of innovation and creativity...

Balancing act...

The Government could own the road but use private business to maintain them... Nothing wrong with that either....

paraphrase..."Next time it will work great!"

So are you saying no socialism.

Cause that means no Defense, Environmental Protection, Police, Schools, Roads,.... Are you suggesting these should be all privatised?

No. I'm saying what I said. The fact that you keep trying to get me to.say something else shows you agree with my original statement.

 

[Syriusly]

Kosher, you mean like Sweden, Norway, Finland, Netherlands, etc you may be looking in the wrong direction. Look to the South in America, there you'd see republican ruled democracy leads to early death. Wake up girl, these third world nations aren't socialism, they autocracies, plutocracy, or some dictatorships, and actually they lack social and political structure. You righties are so easily played, no wonder Trump is your fearless leader.

Life expectancy differs by 20 years among some US counties - CNN.com

"In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." H.L. Mencken

As some who has lived all over the world the method of Government proposed by the righties here will descend US to being like south Africa... They have no social net, College is effectively private and Healthcare is a mess unless private... You have a percentage of the population who are doing alright and huge mass doing very badly, crime is very high and gun crime is through the roof.

Problem is the righties can't show us a country which does have socialism and is successful... Just show us one country of a descent size which has no socialism... The top 30 have all got a good deal of social programs and effectively are social democracies...

What nonsense, and totally irrelevant. Try to stick to the topic we're talking about.

I didn't say "every country with socialist programs ends in violence, despair and starvation".

Maybe you should re-read the op. Try to stick to it. You can do it!

Your title
this-is-how-socialism-always-ends-repression-violence-death-starvation

Is Canada a socialist country?

Which country has 'no socialism'?

Which ones have too much? And how far are you willing to push that line?

Can't answer the question can you?

LOL of course not.

 

[Syriusly]

Trump' focus is on fixing the problems we have at home. We need to limit our help abroad until that's addressed. Americans first!

We can't help others until we start helping our own people.

You mean we have not been helping Americans?

Oh wait- with the new tax cuts- Trump will be helping American millionaires.

 

[Syriusly]

Gotta love the faggots. They can be comical.

Resorting to childish insults... Debate seems to be over.

We must have won then...

Nope.

Socialism always ends in disaster.

So why exactly do you think that Canada is a disaster?

 

[CowboyTed]

When?????

View attachment 125622

The country was alway a bit of a basket case... Hugo made it worse... It was being socialist but being clueless and that can happen to any economy..

Who is to blame for Venezuela’s economic collapse?

But this thread states ALL countries with socialist programs are doomed...

No, that is not what I said. That is a false narrative. And I already pointed that out when the lie was first stated in this thread.

I willing to say Venezuela was a shit hole and continued to be a shit hole with Hugo in charge in much of the same way as the no social programs didn't make Somalia a shit hole.

The truth is that that countries are run on balance... No socialism is actually anarchy and doesn't work just as too much too much Socialism is Communism and that doesn't work either... Every country has there balance between them.. That is why this headline is complete nonsense.

If then look at what is a government good at running and not good at then you can see results... Empirical evidence shows the Government are actually better at running Healthcare than Private, they do cheaper and get better results. That doesn't mean there should be no private insurance, universal care in Europe is a basic level cover (basic varies by country) but you have the option to buy more... I pay about $100 a month to get that top up but I can go higher or lower. But I have the most popular plan... About 50% of Irish people have private insurance...

While manufacturing is generally better by private business, they get the best out of innovation and creativity...

Balancing act...

The Government could own the road but use private business to maintain them... Nothing wrong with that either....

paraphrase..."Next time it will work great!"

So are you saying no socialism.

Cause that means no Defense, Environmental Protection, Police, Schools, Roads,.... Are you suggesting these should be all privatised?

No. I'm saying what I said. The fact that you keep trying to get me to.say something else shows you agree with my original statement.

Look at your heading... You said 'ALWAYS'...

 

[NYcarbineer]

"The Scandinavian countries are regularly praised for their income equality,quality of life, gender equality, maternal care and many other traits, not just by leftist politicians and activists, but also by left-leaning economists like Paul Krugman. The Scandinavian model, they believe, is the ultimate proof that you can combine a high-growth economy with a generous welfare state.
"The problem is that much of the praise is wrong."

"...despite what many in the American left who idealizes Scandinavia might wish, the success was not achieved thanks to the welfare state model, but perhaps despite its existence.

"Scandinavia’s success came before the welfare state, not after it. Between 1936 and 2008, when much of the welfare expansion occurred, Sweden’s growth rate dropped to being the 13th highest out of 28 industrialized countries.

"During the decades before, between 1870 and 1936, Sweden had enjoyed the highest economic growth in the entire industrialized world. Moreover, in the most intense period of “third-way” policies of market socialism, between the 1970s and 1990s, Sweden’s economic performance was exceptionally low. This period, however, was an exception: for most of its modern history, Sweden has been anything but a socialist mecca."

Sorry Leftist Americans, Your Swedish Utopia Does Not Exist

No Utopia exists but Sweden certainly has things like healthcare figured out much better than anything you'll ever get from conservatives in the US.

Yet who has an Air Craft carrier named the George Bush right now protecting their oil in the straight?

WTF?

 

[NYcarbineer]

When?????

View attachment 125622

The country was alway a bit of a basket case... Hugo made it worse... It was being socialist but being clueless and that can happen to any economy..

Who is to blame for Venezuela’s economic collapse?

But this thread states ALL countries with socialist programs are doomed...

No, that is not what I said. That is a false narrative. And I already pointed that out when the lie was first stated in this thread.

I willing to say Venezuela was a shit hole and continued to be a shit hole with Hugo in charge in much of the same way as the no social programs didn't make Somalia a shit hole.

The truth is that that countries are run on balance... No socialism is actually anarchy and doesn't work just as too much too much Socialism is Communism and that doesn't work either... Every country has there balance between them.. That is why this headline is complete nonsense.

If then look at what is a government good at running and not good at then you can see results... Empirical evidence shows the Government are actually better at running Healthcare than Private, they do cheaper and get better results. That doesn't mean there should be no private insurance, universal care in Europe is a basic level cover (basic varies by country) but you have the option to buy more... I pay about $100 a month to get that top up but I can go higher or lower. But I have the most popular plan... About 50% of Irish people have private insurance...

While manufacturing is generally better by private business, they get the best out of innovation and creativity...

Balancing act...

The Government could own the road but use private business to maintain them... Nothing wrong with that either....

paraphrase..."Next time it will work great!"

So are you saying no socialism.

Cause that means no Defense, Environmental Protection, Police, Schools, Roads,.... Are you suggesting these should be all privatised?

No. I'm saying what I said. The fact that you keep trying to get me to.say something else shows you agree with my original statement.

Okay, so Venezuela is a mess. That was your only point, to report that Venezuela is a mess.

Why do that in 'politics' then?

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Socialism is just a step toward Communism. Socialism is chaotic, non-productive and invites weakness. For survival sake, the next level is communism, because communism offers control, production and defense.

One could argue that communism does offer those things, but what it doesn't offer is liberty, freedom or individual rights and prosperity.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Let me see,,,I believe in
1. Corporations
2. Private sector
3. Private property
4. Capitalism

yet I am this nasty marxist....Something doesn't add up to 4.