This is NOT for the ignorant voters but the undecided!

[kaz]

Before you cast your vote consider what you have heard about Trump/Hillary with this following
chart as a guide.
MRC Study: Documenting TV’s Twelve Weeks of Trump Bashing
Please in all honesty how can you make a truly objective decision when:
The MSM spent 344 minutes of airtime or 75% of the 461 BASHING Trump?
Letting Hillary off with 117 minutes or 25%!
How can you possibly make any rational decision if you are presented with such BIAS?

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I'm not voting for Trump because of what Trump says. He wants to punish companies that want to operate efficiently and it's up to him whether we can engage in trade or not, we have to convince him allowing us to trade is in his interest. I won't vote for someone who's not a free market capitalist, and says so.

I say the same to Trump and the Trumpettes as the Democrats who think my property is theirs to use for their interest. Fuck off and keep your hands on your own shit, not my property, not other people's property, keep your hands on your own property

I'm not voting for Trump because of what Trump says.

Doesn't that point make everything else Mute... You freely admit not being interested in what he says, how do you know position on anything...

Trump has stated that he is up for taxing imports, that is against free market capitalism....

Now you got a problem...

The worst part is that Trump doesn't know what he is talking about. He constantly demeans the ACA, but has no idea how it works

It works like a giant toilet sucking money down the crapper, what's not to understand?

 

[Rustic]

The problem I see with the OP is that Trump brought these items to the forefront himself. Plus a couple of the items seem they should be in blue, not red. I'm referring to age/health and the 2nd amendment lines. I viewed the coverage of each as benefiting Trump.

Both candidates should have concentrated on pushing their own agenda and let their V.P. picks attack and defend against the other party. To me it appeared as Hillary knew she had nothing to offer and Trump couldn't resist being hooked every time he was baited.

I was against Trump in the primary but since the convention I've wavered between him and 3rd party / write-in on a weekly basis. Last week I settled on voting for Evan McMullin, but even yesterday I reconsidered Trump. So far I can't get there considering his temperament.

Hey 2,

I think you are getting to a point... Trump ran the primary in a crowded field and just getting heard was the challenge... It didn't matter as much what he said but that the media picked up on it...

By the time the field was reduced he held a commanding lead over Cruz who himself is quite unpopular in the moderate GOP and thus couldn't catch up... The Moderates within GOP completely screwed up... They robbed each others vote and started selling out so not to rival the Trump supporters... It was a perfect storm, I don't think it was planned but it worked out that way....

But in the General Election there is really only two candidates and winning media coverage only gets you so far. Clinton has been smart, avoiding Rallies, deploying the Surrogates, building a war chest, get a ground game and picking her attacks... I am sorry to tell you that is competency in a leader... There was other GOP candidates who would have been similar, they would have known to build a war chest over the summer, acquire a strong surrogate list (instead on insulting them), build a coalition, have a message and stick to it....
This is not a case of Trump lacking experience, you can buy that. This is just who Trump is... Kellyanne tried to curb him but that dog is too old to train and his appeal is that he's not for turning.

I think from your point of view (i.e. you are never a Hillary Supporter), Evan is a good option. Trump is just very incompetent... I said it all along Kaisch was the best in the GOP pack...

Kasich is a spineless career politician... just another progressive. Dip shit

I don't think you know how elections work... You have to win votes to be elected...

The Trump campaign has alienated many core Republican voters....

Insulting them doesn't bring them back, people have actual self pride...

There is many in the GOP side that adminre for their thoughtfulness of putting country before tribe... They actually listened to what Trump said and have gone with that it is not for them.

Trump has some major issues which highlighted earlier, even the campaign he did not think a few moves ahead. He alienated people from his camp...

The issue is that Washington is run by compromise... Moderates in a room hammering out deals, Trump can't even get his own party to agree with him and it is because he is erratic and thinks without consequences...

The GOP/Republicans that are career politicians cannot be conservative… It's a conflict of interest… Fact
It's not in the DNA of a career politician to do the right thing.

 

[Rustic]

The problem I see with the OP is that Trump brought these items to the forefront himself. Plus a couple of the items seem they should be in blue, not red. I'm referring to age/health and the 2nd amendment lines. I viewed the coverage of each as benefiting Trump.

Both candidates should have concentrated on pushing their own agenda and let their V.P. picks attack and defend against the other party. To me it appeared as Hillary knew she had nothing to offer and Trump couldn't resist being hooked every time he was baited.

I was against Trump in the primary but since the convention I've wavered between him and 3rd party / write-in on a weekly basis. Last week I settled on voting for Evan McMullin, but even yesterday I reconsidered Trump. So far I can't get there considering his temperament.

Hey 2,

I think you are getting to a point... Trump ran the primary in a crowded field and just getting heard was the challenge... It didn't matter as much what he said but that the media picked up on it...

By the time the field was reduced he held a commanding lead over Cruz who himself is quite unpopular in the moderate GOP and thus couldn't catch up... The Moderates within GOP completely screwed up... They robbed each others vote and started selling out so not to rival the Trump supporters... It was a perfect storm, I don't think it was planned but it worked out that way....

But in the General Election there is really only two candidates and winning media coverage only gets you so far. Clinton has been smart, avoiding Rallies, deploying the Surrogates, building a war chest, get a ground game and picking her attacks... I am sorry to tell you that is competency in a leader... There was other GOP candidates who would have been similar, they would have known to build a war chest over the summer, acquire a strong surrogate list (instead on insulting them), build a coalition, have a message and stick to it....
This is not a case of Trump lacking experience, you can buy that. This is just who Trump is... Kellyanne tried to curb him but that dog is too old to train and his appeal is that he's not for turning.

I think from your point of view (i.e. you are never a Hillary Supporter), Evan is a good option. Trump is just very incompetent... I said it all along Kaisch was the best in the GOP pack...

Kasich is a spineless career politician... just another progressive. Dip shit

I don't think you know how elections work... You have to win votes to be elected...

The Trump campaign has alienated many core Republican voters....

Insulting them doesn't bring them back, people have actual self pride...

There is many in the GOP side that adminre for their thoughtfulness of putting country before tribe... They actually listened to what Trump said and have gone with that it is not for them.

Trump has some major issues which highlighted earlier, even the campaign he did not think a few moves ahead. He alienated people from his camp...

The issue is that Washington is run by compromise... Moderates in a room hammering out deals, Trump can't even get his own party to agree with him and it is because he is erratic and thinks without consequences...

Backroom deals/earmarks/compromise/consent/unlimited terms... equals this.

 

[healthmyths]

The problem I see with the OP is that Trump brought these items to the forefront himself. Plus a couple of the items seem they should be in blue, not red. I'm referring to age/health and the 2nd amendment lines. I viewed the coverage of each as benefiting Trump.

Both candidates should have concentrated on pushing their own agenda and let their V.P. picks attack and defend against the other party. To me it appeared as Hillary knew she had nothing to offer and Trump couldn't resist being hooked every time he was baited.

I was against Trump in the primary but since the convention I've wavered between him and 3rd party / write-in on a weekly basis. Last week I settled on voting for Evan McMullin, but even yesterday I reconsidered Trump. So far I can't get there considering his temperament.

Hey 2,

I think you are getting to a point... Trump ran the primary in a crowded field and just getting heard was the challenge... It didn't matter as much what he said but that the media picked up on it...

By the time the field was reduced he held a commanding lead over Cruz who himself is quite unpopular in the moderate GOP and thus couldn't catch up... The Moderates within GOP completely screwed up... They robbed each others vote and started selling out so not to rival the Trump supporters... It was a perfect storm, I don't think it was planned but it worked out that way....

But in the General Election there is really only two candidates and winning media coverage only gets you so far. Clinton has been smart, avoiding Rallies, deploying the Surrogates, building a war chest, get a ground game and picking her attacks... I am sorry to tell you that is competency in a leader... There was other GOP candidates who would have been similar, they would have known to build a war chest over the summer, acquire a strong surrogate list (instead on insulting them), build a coalition, have a message and stick to it....
This is not a case of Trump lacking experience, you can buy that. This is just who Trump is... Kellyanne tried to curb him but that dog is too old to train and his appeal is that he's not for turning.

I think from your point of view (i.e. you are never a Hillary Supporter), Evan is a good option. Trump is just very incompetent... I said it all along Kaisch was the best in the GOP pack...

Kasich is a spineless career politician... just another progressive. Dip shit

I don't think you know how elections work... You have to win votes to be elected...

The Trump campaign has alienated many core Republican voters....

Insulting them doesn't bring them back, people have actual self pride...

There is many in the GOP side that adminre for their thoughtfulness of putting country before tribe... They actually listened to what Trump said and have gone with that it is not for them.

Trump has some major issues which highlighted earlier, even the campaign he did not think a few moves ahead. He alienated people from his camp...

The issue is that Washington is run by compromise... Moderates in a room hammering out deals, Trump can't even get his own party to agree with him and it is because he is erratic and thinks without consequences...

Backroom deals/earmarks/compromise/consent/unlimited terms... equals this.

The ONLY problem is that under Bush you didn't seem to take in account THESE EVENTS that NO OTHER president has ever faced! And still the worst growth in the deficit was 2008! And guess what? Obama benefited by nearly $700 billion payback of TARP which had added to GWB's 2008 deficit nearly $500 billion AFTER 3 years of DECLINING DEFECTS and the below events that NO other president ever faced! Gosh you guys have NO memories of what it was like from 2001 to 2008 when Bush faced a recession --recovered... faced $8 trillion in dot.com bust losses... recovered...faced the worst attack on US soil in history so bad airlines stopped for 3 days...Wall street closed 10 days...not even the FDR's depression had that!
And then not one president in the 8 years ever had such gigantic hurricane destruction. And you guys forget that!
You forget nearly $300 billion damages, 2,215 lives lost and thousands of jobs and homes destroyed. You forgot that.
Finally you ONLY remember the 2008 housing bubble bust WHICH GWB had warned congress 17 times and they laughed in his face when he said Fannie/Freddie needed to be reigned in! But you never heard that ! Finally you never heard of the gigantic sucking sound that occurred when over $550 billion money market funds LEFT in 2 hours on 9/11/08 which caused TARP...WHICH again was PAID back but dummy Obama spent it stupidly on "shovel ready" projects???

Are you aware that a recession started under Clinton and became official 3/01 ended 11/01?
Because idiots don't seem to comprehend... RECESSIONS are like large ships.. it takes miles to turn one...i.e. so does a "RECESSION"...
it doesn't just start the day NBER states... it is a slow degradation and it started under CLINTON!!!
Source: USATODAY.com - It's official: 2001 recession only lasted eight months

A Major $8 trillion market loss... (Which meant jobs, tax revenue,etc. gone!)
Are you aware that the dot.com bust occurred and cost $8 trillion in losses? Again Clinton laid claim BUT someone had to pay and it occurred during Bush's first year!
$8 trillion in market losses MEAN lost tax revenue. PLUS JOBS!!!!
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $8 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies.
More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
Source: The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion

The worst attacks on the USA in History.. 3,000 deaths!!! 9/11 happened REMEMBER!!
Obviously most of you are UNAWARE 9/11 cost 3,000 lives, $2 trillion in lost businesses,market values assets.
Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York. Airlines shut down 3 days ...wall street 10 days!!!
Are you aware this happened???
Now before you idiots say "well Bush should have known"! DUMMIES... ever hear of the Gorelick Memo signed under CLINTON??
Gorelick Memo that created the wall between FBI & CIA thus no knowledge of the 9/11 bombers shared with the FBI!!! Looks especially imprudent 10 years later.
Because the memo created a barrier for U.S. intelligence agencies to share information with the FBI, one of its unintended consequences may have been to prevent the FBI from receiving the necessary intelligence to stop the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the worst in American history.
Gorelick Memo Allegedly Impeded Probe of Clinton Fundraising Scandal
1995 memo [Clinton presidency-concerned about Chinese election sales] Gorelick wrote, stated explicitly that they would “go beyond what is legally required, [to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.” GORELICK Memo!
Jamie Gorelick’s wall barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation shortly before 9/11.
At the time, an enraged FBI investigator wrote a prophetic memo to headquarters about the wall.
Whatever has happened to this — someday someone will die — and wall or not — the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems…..
especially since the biggest threat to us UBL [Usama bin Laden], is getting the most protection.
So, a year before the 9/11 attacks, a special unit in the U.S. military was aware of the presence of an al-Queda cell in Brooklyn, New York, and sought to share its information with the FBI but was stopped cold.Why?Because (as described in the April 16, 2004 Washington Times piece) “on March 4, 1995, [Jamie Gorelick, the then number 2 official in the Clinton Justice Department, sent a 4-page directive] to FBI Director Louis Freeh and Mary Jo White, the New York-based U.S. attorney investigating the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
In the memo, Ms. Gorelick ordered Mr. Freeh and Ms. White to follow information-sharing procedures
that ‘go beyond what is legally required,’ in order to avoid ‘any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance’
that the Justice Department was using Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants, instead of ordinary criminal investigative procedures, in an effort to undermine the civil liberties of terrorism suspects.”
Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? The Gorelick Memo and What We Knew

Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone. Airlines didn't fly for 3 days!
Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
Source: http://bizfinance.about.com/od/currentevents/tp/Top_Ten_Fin_Events_Decade.htm

Anthrax Attacks...
The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States, also known as Amerithrax from its Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) case name, occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on Tuesday, September 18, 2001, one week after the September 11 attacks. Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several news media offices and two DemocraticU.S. Senators, killing five people and infecting 17 others.

$1 trillion in losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history. 2,215 lives lost
The worst, Katrina made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.
Rank Disaster Year Deaths Damage* $250 Billion in damages in the 8 disasters of the top 15 disasters in history!
1. Hurricane Katrina (LA/MS/AL/FL) 2005 1833 $133,800,000,000
6. Hurricane Ike (TX/LA/MS) 2008 112 $27,000,000,000
7. Hurricane Wilma (FL) 2005 35 $17,100,000,000
8. Hurricane Rita (TX/LA) 2005 119 $17,100,000,000
9. Hurricane Charley (FL) 2004 35 $16,500,000,000
12. Midwest Floods 2008 24 $15,000,000,000
13. Hurricane Ivan (FL/AL) 2004 57 $13,000,000,000
14. 30-State Drought 2002 0 $11,400,000,000
http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/damage1980.asp

AND TARP has PAID back plus a $68 Billion Profit you dummy!
Oh and by the way, the solution i.e. TARP? Which idiots like you and Obama criticized YET OBAMA has benefited from in this fashion.
If it weren't for TARP's payback of $688.9 billion on the $620.3 Billion outflow Obama's deficit would be even worse!
https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/

YET in spite of these gigantic cataclysmic events Bush had:
YET in SPITE of:
a) 400,000 jobs lost due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita ,
b) 2,800,000 jobs lost in alone due to 9/11,
c) 300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts... In spite of nearly $8 trillion in lost businesses, market values, destroyed property..
IN SPITE of that:
2002 $157.8 billion deficit.. also 9/11 occurred and tax revenues lowered for years later due to dot.com/9-11 losses against revenue.
2003 $377.6 billion deficit.. BRAND new cabinet Homeland Security, plus loans made to businesses.. again tax revenues down..affect of 9/11
2004 $412.7 billion deficit.. Revenues up by 5.5% spending increased and economy getting back.
2005 $318.3 billion deficit.. revenues up by 14.5% deficit decreasing at rate of 22%
2006 $248.2 billion deficit.. revenues up by 11.7% deficit decrease 22%
2007 $160.7 billion deficit.. revenues up by 6.7% deficit decrease 35%
2008 $458.6 billion deficit.. revenues down and deficit INCREASED TARP loan mostly...
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=20

 

[Rustic]

The problem I see with the OP is that Trump brought these items to the forefront himself. Plus a couple of the items seem they should be in blue, not red. I'm referring to age/health and the 2nd amendment lines. I viewed the coverage of each as benefiting Trump.

Both candidates should have concentrated on pushing their own agenda and let their V.P. picks attack and defend against the other party. To me it appeared as Hillary knew she had nothing to offer and Trump couldn't resist being hooked every time he was baited.

I was against Trump in the primary but since the convention I've wavered between him and 3rd party / write-in on a weekly basis. Last week I settled on voting for Evan McMullin, but even yesterday I reconsidered Trump. So far I can't get there considering his temperament.

Hey 2,

I think you are getting to a point... Trump ran the primary in a crowded field and just getting heard was the challenge... It didn't matter as much what he said but that the media picked up on it...

By the time the field was reduced he held a commanding lead over Cruz who himself is quite unpopular in the moderate GOP and thus couldn't catch up... The Moderates within GOP completely screwed up... They robbed each others vote and started selling out so not to rival the Trump supporters... It was a perfect storm, I don't think it was planned but it worked out that way....

But in the General Election there is really only two candidates and winning media coverage only gets you so far. Clinton has been smart, avoiding Rallies, deploying the Surrogates, building a war chest, get a ground game and picking her attacks... I am sorry to tell you that is competency in a leader... There was other GOP candidates who would have been similar, they would have known to build a war chest over the summer, acquire a strong surrogate list (instead on insulting them), build a coalition, have a message and stick to it....
This is not a case of Trump lacking experience, you can buy that. This is just who Trump is... Kellyanne tried to curb him but that dog is too old to train and his appeal is that he's not for turning.

I think from your point of view (i.e. you are never a Hillary Supporter), Evan is a good option. Trump is just very incompetent... I said it all along Kaisch was the best in the GOP pack...

Kasich is a spineless career politician... just another progressive. Dip shit

I don't think you know how elections work... You have to win votes to be elected...

The Trump campaign has alienated many core Republican voters....

Insulting them doesn't bring them back, people have actual self pride...

There is many in the GOP side that adminre for their thoughtfulness of putting country before tribe... They actually listened to what Trump said and have gone with that it is not for them.

Trump has some major issues which highlighted earlier, even the campaign he did not think a few moves ahead. He alienated people from his camp...

The issue is that Washington is run by compromise... Moderates in a room hammering out deals, Trump can't even get his own party to agree with him and it is because he is erratic and thinks without consequences...

Backroom deals/earmarks/compromise/consent/unlimited terms... equals this.

The ONLY problem is that under Bush you didn't seem to take in account THESE EVENTS that NO OTHER president has ever faced! And still the worst growth in the deficit was 2008! And guess what? Obama benefited by nearly $700 billion payback of TARP which had added to GWB's 2008 deficit nearly $500 billion AFTER 3 years of DECLINING DEFECTS and the below events that NO other president ever faced! Gosh you guys have NO memories of what it was like from 2001 to 2008 when Bush faced a recession --recovered... faced $8 trillion in dot.com bust losses... recovered...faced the worst attack on US soil in history so bad airlines stopped for 3 days...Wall street closed 10 days...not even the FDR's depression had that!
And then not one president in the 8 years ever had such gigantic hurricane destruction. And you guys forget that!
You forget nearly $300 billion damages, 2,215 lives lost and thousands of jobs and homes destroyed. You forgot that.
Finally you ONLY remember the 2008 housing bubble bust WHICH GWB had warned congress 17 times and they laughed in his face when he said Fannie/Freddie needed to be reigned in! But you never heard that ! Finally you never heard of the gigantic sucking sound that occurred when over $550 billion money market funds LEFT in 2 hours on 9/11/08 which caused TARP...WHICH again was PAID back but dummy Obama spent it stupidly on "shovel ready" projects???
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Are you aware that a recession started under Clinton and became official 3/01 ended 11/01?
Because idiots don't seem to comprehend... RECESSIONS are like large ships.. it takes miles to turn one...i.e. so does a "RECESSION"...
it doesn't just start the day NBER states... it is a slow degradation and it started under CLINTON!!!
Source: USATODAY.com - It's official: 2001 recession only lasted eight months

A Major $8 trillion market loss... (Which meant jobs, tax revenue,etc. gone!)
Are you aware that the dot.com bust occurred and cost $8 trillion in losses? Again Clinton laid claim BUT someone had to pay and it occurred during Bush's first year!
$8 trillion in market losses MEAN lost tax revenue. PLUS JOBS!!!!
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $8 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies.
More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
Source: The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion

The worst attacks on the USA in History.. 3,000 deaths!!! 9/11 happened REMEMBER!!
Obviously most of you are UNAWARE 9/11 cost 3,000 lives, $2 trillion in lost businesses,market values assets.
Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York. Airlines shut down 3 days ...wall street 10 days!!!
Are you aware this happened???
Now before you idiots say "well Bush should have known"! DUMMIES... ever hear of the Gorelick Memo signed under CLINTON??
Gorelick Memo that created the wall between FBI & CIA thus no knowledge of the 9/11 bombers shared with the FBI!!! Looks especially imprudent 10 years later.
Because the memo created a barrier for U.S. intelligence agencies to share information with the FBI, one of its unintended consequences may have been to prevent the FBI from receiving the necessary intelligence to stop the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the worst in American history.
Gorelick Memo Allegedly Impeded Probe of Clinton Fundraising Scandal
1995 memo [Clinton presidency-concerned about Chinese election sales] Gorelick wrote, stated explicitly that they would “go beyond what is legally required, [to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.” GORELICK Memo!
Jamie Gorelick’s wall barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation shortly before 9/11.
At the time, an enraged FBI investigator wrote a prophetic memo to headquarters about the wall.
Whatever has happened to this — someday someone will die — and wall or not — the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems…..
especially since the biggest threat to us UBL [Usama bin Laden], is getting the most protection.
So, a year before the 9/11 attacks, a special unit in the U.S. military was aware of the presence of an al-Queda cell in Brooklyn, New York, and sought to share its information with the FBI but was stopped cold.Why?Because (as described in the April 16, 2004 Washington Times piece) “on March 4, 1995, [Jamie Gorelick, the then number 2 official in the Clinton Justice Department, sent a 4-page directive] to FBI Director Louis Freeh and Mary Jo White, the New York-based U.S. attorney investigating the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
In the memo, Ms. Gorelick ordered Mr. Freeh and Ms. White to follow information-sharing procedures
that ‘go beyond what is legally required,’ in order to avoid ‘any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance’
that the Justice Department was using Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants, instead of ordinary criminal investigative procedures, in an effort to undermine the civil liberties of terrorism suspects.”
Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? The Gorelick Memo and What We Knew

Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone. Airlines didn't fly for 3 days!
Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
Source: http://bizfinance.about.com/od/currentevents/tp/Top_Ten_Fin_Events_Decade.htm

Anthrax Attacks...
The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States, also known as Amerithrax from its Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) case name, occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on Tuesday, September 18, 2001, one week after the September 11 attacks. Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several news media offices and two DemocraticU.S. Senators, killing five people and infecting 17 others.

$1 trillion in losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history. 2,215 lives lost
The worst, Katrina made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.
Rank Disaster Year Deaths Damage* $250 Billion in damages in the 8 disasters of the top 15 disasters in history!
1. Hurricane Katrina (LA/MS/AL/FL) 2005 1833 $133,800,000,000
6. Hurricane Ike (TX/LA/MS) 2008 112 $27,000,000,000
7. Hurricane Wilma (FL) 2005 35 $17,100,000,000
8. Hurricane Rita (TX/LA) 2005 119 $17,100,000,000
9. Hurricane Charley (FL) 2004 35 $16,500,000,000
12. Midwest Floods 2008 24 $15,000,000,000
13. Hurricane Ivan (FL/AL) 2004 57 $13,000,000,000
14. 30-State Drought 2002 0 $11,400,000,000
http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/damage1980.asp

AND TARP has PAID back plus a $68 Billion Profit you dummy!
Oh and by the way, the solution i.e. TARP? Which idiots like you and Obama criticized YET OBAMA has benefited from in this fashion.
If it weren't for TARP's payback of $688.9 billion on the $620.3 Billion outflow Obama's deficit would be even worse!
https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/

YET in spite of these gigantic cataclysmic events Bush had:
YET in SPITE of:
a) 400,000 jobs lost due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita ,
b) 2,800,000 jobs lost in alone due to 9/11,
c) 300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts... In spite of nearly $8 trillion in lost businesses, market values, destroyed property..
IN SPITE of that:
2002 $157.8 billion deficit.. also 9/11 occurred and tax revenues lowered for years later due to dot.com/9-11 losses against revenue.
2003 $377.6 billion deficit.. BRAND new cabinet Homeland Security, plus loans made to businesses.. again tax revenues down..affect of 9/11
2004 $412.7 billion deficit.. Revenues up by 5.5% spending increased and economy getting back.
2005 $318.3 billion deficit.. revenues up by 14.5% deficit decreasing at rate of 22%
2006 $248.2 billion deficit.. revenues up by 11.7% deficit decrease 22%
2007 $160.7 billion deficit.. revenues up by 6.7% deficit decrease 35%
2008 $458.6 billion deficit.. revenues down and deficit INCREASED TARP loan mostly...
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=20

Bush made a lot of mistakes and our grandkids are gonna be paying for it, and Obama even made more mistakes and our grandkids are going to be paying for it... fact

 

[healthmyths]

Hey 2,

I think you are getting to a point... Trump ran the primary in a crowded field and just getting heard was the challenge... It didn't matter as much what he said but that the media picked up on it...

By the time the field was reduced he held a commanding lead over Cruz who himself is quite unpopular in the moderate GOP and thus couldn't catch up... The Moderates within GOP completely screwed up... They robbed each others vote and started selling out so not to rival the Trump supporters... It was a perfect storm, I don't think it was planned but it worked out that way....

But in the General Election there is really only two candidates and winning media coverage only gets you so far. Clinton has been smart, avoiding Rallies, deploying the Surrogates, building a war chest, get a ground game and picking her attacks... I am sorry to tell you that is competency in a leader... There was other GOP candidates who would have been similar, they would have known to build a war chest over the summer, acquire a strong surrogate list (instead on insulting them), build a coalition, have a message and stick to it....
This is not a case of Trump lacking experience, you can buy that. This is just who Trump is... Kellyanne tried to curb him but that dog is too old to train and his appeal is that he's not for turning.

I think from your point of view (i.e. you are never a Hillary Supporter), Evan is a good option. Trump is just very incompetent... I said it all along Kaisch was the best in the GOP pack...

Kasich is a spineless career politician... just another progressive. Dip shit

I don't think you know how elections work... You have to win votes to be elected...

The Trump campaign has alienated many core Republican voters....

Insulting them doesn't bring them back, people have actual self pride...

There is many in the GOP side that adminre for their thoughtfulness of putting country before tribe... They actually listened to what Trump said and have gone with that it is not for them.

Trump has some major issues which highlighted earlier, even the campaign he did not think a few moves ahead. He alienated people from his camp...

The issue is that Washington is run by compromise... Moderates in a room hammering out deals, Trump can't even get his own party to agree with him and it is because he is erratic and thinks without consequences...

Backroom deals/earmarks/compromise/consent/unlimited terms... equals this.

The ONLY problem is that under Bush you didn't seem to take in account THESE EVENTS that NO OTHER president has ever faced! And still the worst growth in the deficit was 2008! And guess what? Obama benefited by nearly $700 billion payback of TARP which had added to GWB's 2008 deficit nearly $500 billion AFTER 3 years of DECLINING DEFECTS and the below events that NO other president ever faced! Gosh you guys have NO memories of what it was like from 2001 to 2008 when Bush faced a recession --recovered... faced $8 trillion in dot.com bust losses... recovered...faced the worst attack on US soil in history so bad airlines stopped for 3 days...Wall street closed 10 days...not even the FDR's depression had that!
And then not one president in the 8 years ever had such gigantic hurricane destruction. And you guys forget that!
You forget nearly $300 billion damages, 2,215 lives lost and thousands of jobs and homes destroyed. You forgot that.
Finally you ONLY remember the 2008 housing bubble bust WHICH GWB had warned congress 17 times and they laughed in his face when he said Fannie/Freddie needed to be reigned in! But you never heard that ! Finally you never heard of the gigantic sucking sound that occurred when over $550 billion money market funds LEFT in 2 hours on 9/11/08 which caused TARP...WHICH again was PAID back but dummy Obama spent it stupidly on "shovel ready" projects???
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Are you aware that a recession started under Clinton and became official 3/01 ended 11/01?
Because idiots don't seem to comprehend... RECESSIONS are like large ships.. it takes miles to turn one...i.e. so does a "RECESSION"...
it doesn't just start the day NBER states... it is a slow degradation and it started under CLINTON!!!
Source: USATODAY.com - It's official: 2001 recession only lasted eight months

A Major $8 trillion market loss... (Which meant jobs, tax revenue,etc. gone!)
Are you aware that the dot.com bust occurred and cost $8 trillion in losses? Again Clinton laid claim BUT someone had to pay and it occurred during Bush's first year!
$8 trillion in market losses MEAN lost tax revenue. PLUS JOBS!!!!
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $8 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies.
More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
Source: The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion

The worst attacks on the USA in History.. 3,000 deaths!!! 9/11 happened REMEMBER!!
Obviously most of you are UNAWARE 9/11 cost 3,000 lives, $2 trillion in lost businesses,market values assets.
Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York. Airlines shut down 3 days ...wall street 10 days!!!
Are you aware this happened???
Now before you idiots say "well Bush should have known"! DUMMIES... ever hear of the Gorelick Memo signed under CLINTON??
Gorelick Memo that created the wall between FBI & CIA thus no knowledge of the 9/11 bombers shared with the FBI!!! Looks especially imprudent 10 years later.
Because the memo created a barrier for U.S. intelligence agencies to share information with the FBI, one of its unintended consequences may have been to prevent the FBI from receiving the necessary intelligence to stop the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, the worst in American history.
Gorelick Memo Allegedly Impeded Probe of Clinton Fundraising Scandal
1995 memo [Clinton presidency-concerned about Chinese election sales] Gorelick wrote, stated explicitly that they would “go beyond what is legally required, [to] prevent any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance that FISA is being used to avoid procedural safeguards which would apply in a criminal investigation.” GORELICK Memo!
Jamie Gorelick’s wall barred anti-terror investigators from accessing the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker, already in custody on an immigration violation shortly before 9/11.
At the time, an enraged FBI investigator wrote a prophetic memo to headquarters about the wall.
Whatever has happened to this — someday someone will die — and wall or not — the public will not understand why we were not more effective in throwing every resource we had at certain problems…..
especially since the biggest threat to us UBL [Usama bin Laden], is getting the most protection.
So, a year before the 9/11 attacks, a special unit in the U.S. military was aware of the presence of an al-Queda cell in Brooklyn, New York, and sought to share its information with the FBI but was stopped cold.Why?Because (as described in the April 16, 2004 Washington Times piece) “on March 4, 1995, [Jamie Gorelick, the then number 2 official in the Clinton Justice Department, sent a 4-page directive] to FBI Director Louis Freeh and Mary Jo White, the New York-based U.S. attorney investigating the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
In the memo, Ms. Gorelick ordered Mr. Freeh and Ms. White to follow information-sharing procedures
that ‘go beyond what is legally required,’ in order to avoid ‘any risk of creating an unwarranted appearance’
that the Justice Department was using Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants, instead of ordinary criminal investigative procedures, in an effort to undermine the civil liberties of terrorism suspects.”
Could 9/11 Have Been Prevented? The Gorelick Memo and What We Knew

Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone. Airlines didn't fly for 3 days!
Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
Source: http://bizfinance.about.com/od/currentevents/tp/Top_Ten_Fin_Events_Decade.htm

Anthrax Attacks...
The 2001 anthrax attacks in the United States, also known as Amerithrax from its Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) case name, occurred over the course of several weeks beginning on Tuesday, September 18, 2001, one week after the September 11 attacks. Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several news media offices and two DemocraticU.S. Senators, killing five people and infecting 17 others.

$1 trillion in losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history. 2,215 lives lost
The worst, Katrina made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.
Rank Disaster Year Deaths Damage* $250 Billion in damages in the 8 disasters of the top 15 disasters in history!
1. Hurricane Katrina (LA/MS/AL/FL) 2005 1833 $133,800,000,000
6. Hurricane Ike (TX/LA/MS) 2008 112 $27,000,000,000
7. Hurricane Wilma (FL) 2005 35 $17,100,000,000
8. Hurricane Rita (TX/LA) 2005 119 $17,100,000,000
9. Hurricane Charley (FL) 2004 35 $16,500,000,000
12. Midwest Floods 2008 24 $15,000,000,000
13. Hurricane Ivan (FL/AL) 2004 57 $13,000,000,000
14. 30-State Drought 2002 0 $11,400,000,000
http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/damage1980.asp

AND TARP has PAID back plus a $68 Billion Profit you dummy!
Oh and by the way, the solution i.e. TARP? Which idiots like you and Obama criticized YET OBAMA has benefited from in this fashion.
If it weren't for TARP's payback of $688.9 billion on the $620.3 Billion outflow Obama's deficit would be even worse!
https://projects.propublica.org/bailout/

YET in spite of these gigantic cataclysmic events Bush had:
YET in SPITE of:
a) 400,000 jobs lost due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita ,
b) 2,800,000 jobs lost in alone due to 9/11,
c) 300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts... In spite of nearly $8 trillion in lost businesses, market values, destroyed property..
IN SPITE of that:
2002 $157.8 billion deficit.. also 9/11 occurred and tax revenues lowered for years later due to dot.com/9-11 losses against revenue.
2003 $377.6 billion deficit.. BRAND new cabinet Homeland Security, plus loans made to businesses.. again tax revenues down..affect of 9/11
2004 $412.7 billion deficit.. Revenues up by 5.5% spending increased and economy getting back.
2005 $318.3 billion deficit.. revenues up by 14.5% deficit decreasing at rate of 22%
2006 $248.2 billion deficit.. revenues up by 11.7% deficit decrease 22%
2007 $160.7 billion deficit.. revenues up by 6.7% deficit decrease 35%
2008 $458.6 billion deficit.. revenues down and deficit INCREASED TARP loan mostly...
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=20

Bush made a lot of mistakes and our grandkids are gonna be paying for it, and Obama even made more mistakes and our grandkids are going to be paying for it... fact

That is a dumb ass comment as YOU unlike me provide NOT one link to prove "Bush made a lot of mistakes"!
1998 Liberation of Iraq was signed Clinton!
Bush saved by Liberating Iraq nearly 2.5 million Iraqi children that would have starved if Saddam were still in power.
I would have done THE SAME damn thing to save American lives because evidently you never heard that Saddam
would have let these kids die RATHER then say "there are no WMDs"! So put yourself for one minute in Bush's shoes!
Saddam won't abide by the UN sanctions that clearly asked him to stop WMD development. Saddam said he wouldn't abide
by that! Why because he was pretending he had WMDs... and he was all right in letting children starve when all Saddam
needed to do was sign an agreement that stated there were no WMDs!
Again if you can't understood Bush's dilemma .... If Saddam would let children starve rather then sign an agreement, then
THERE WERE WMDs!
In 1995 as many as 576,000 Iraqi children may have died since the end of the Persian Gulf war because of economic sanctions imposed by the Security Council, according to two scientists who surveyed the country for the Food and Agriculture Organization. http://www.nytimes.com/1995/12/01/world/iraq-sanctions-kill-children-un-reports.html

November 14, 1997: President Clinton: [During a standoff on weapons inspectors]
“What he [Hussein] says his objective is, is to relieve the people of Iraq, and presumably the government, of the burden of the sanctions. What he has just done is to ensure that the sanctions will be there until the end of time or as long as he lasts. So I think that if his objective is to try to get back into the business of manufacturing vast stores of weapons of mass destruction and then try to either use them or sell them, then at some point the United States, and more than the United States, would be more than happy to try to stop that.”
http://www.accuracy.org/44-autopsy-of-a-disaster-the-u-s-sanctions-policy-on-iraq/
So what other "mistakes" did Bush make?
AND please document them as I've done MY retorts to your stupid unsubstantiated comment!