This one is for the gun grabbers. Explain this.

[KatieK]

You just demanded a police state, to control all people of color that is. I support freedom, you support people being stopped for being not white.

What?

Hmmmm.......

Seems you failed Logic 101

The logic is white gun owners want to be left alone while all others get stopped in case they might have a gun or drugs or something else.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Crime exists laws or no laws, guns or no guns. More laws and more guns do not solve crime, neither do more prisons.

lol

I can ASSURE you, guns "solve" crime at my castle

 

[2aguy]

THAT'S THE POINT!!! You can create all the laws you like, but you're never going to disarm the criminal. They will always have access to guns and will use them. All you'd really do is disarm the victims, and that only makes the problem worse.

Actually arming the criminals makes it worse:
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

The “boyfriend loophole” in U.S. gun laws is costing women’s lives

More police officers die on the job in states with more guns

Fallen officers: 64 shot dead in the line of duty in 2016 - CNN

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Moron...the Yakuza in Japan have more guns than members......in Japan...

And we have more guns than people here. So fucking what?

And our gun murder rate went down 49%....and our gun crime rate went down 75%....and our violent crime rate went down 72%....that is so what....banning guns for normal, law abiding people doesn't lower gun crime or violent crime....that is a fact.

If guns solved crime there wouldn't be any here.

Moron.....guns don't cause crime, the existence of criminals cause crime, guns are a tool. Since criminals can and will use guns, then guns used to stop them solve crime......and they are used by law abiding Americans 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals.....

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

The logic is white gun owners want to be left alone while all others get stopped in case they might have a gun or drugs or something else.

Who told you that?

Maybe "some" white people.

I can guarantee you there are "some" black people who only want white people to get stopped.
I have many black friends. They are armed and I'm glad of it. Good, intelligent people.

 

[KatieK]

Actually arming the criminals makes it worse:
Why the US has the most mass shootings - CNN
US cops killed 100 times more than German police in 2015
Analysis | American toddlers are still shooting people on a weekly basis this year
Study: Road rage incidents involving guns are increasing

The “boyfriend loophole” in U.S. gun laws is costing women’s lives

More police officers die on the job in states with more guns

Fallen officers: 64 shot dead in the line of duty in 2016 - CNN

FBI: Violent crime increases for second straight year

Moron...the Yakuza in Japan have more guns than members......in Japan...

And we have more guns than people here. So fucking what?

And our gun murder rate went down 49%....and our gun crime rate went down 75%....and our violent crime rate went down 72%....that is so what....banning guns for normal, law abiding people doesn't lower gun crime or violent crime....that is a fact.

If guns solved crime there wouldn't be any here.

Moron.....guns don't cause crime, the existence of criminals cause crime, guns are a tool. Since criminals can and will use guns, then guns used to stop them solve crime......and they are used by law abiding Americans 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals.....

Guns are weapons not tools. A screwdriver is a tool. And you number is absolute bullshit. One in 200 people do not pull out a gun to protect themselves. That's as stupid as it gets and most Americans don't even own a gun in the first place.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Guns are weapons not tools. A screwdriver is a tool. And you number is absolute bullshit. One in 200 people do not pull out a gun to protect themselves. That's as stupid as it gets and most Americans don't even own a gun in the first place.

Mmmmmm.......I think a little over 1 in 3 Americans own at least one gun...probably more because many don't advertise it.

That's quite a few

 

[KatieK]

Guns are weapons not tools. A screwdriver is a tool. And you number is absolute bullshit. One in 200 people do not pull out a gun to protect themselves. That's as stupid as it gets and most Americans don't even own a gun in the first place.

Mmmmmm.......I think a little over 1 in 3 Americans own at least one gun...probably more because many don't advertise it.

That's quite a few

One in three means that if guns are used in defense 1.5 million times a year then 1.5 out of every 100 gun owners had to take out their gun to protect themselves. Total horseshit.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

One in three means that if guns are used in defense 1.5 million times a year then 1.5 out of every 100 gun owners had to take out their gun to protect themselves. Total horseshit.

Where are you pulling these number out of ?
Now I'm beginning to believe you just might be on drugs or boozing heavily.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Trump and his supporters are not the topic of this thread. Thanks.

 

[2aguy]

Moron...the Yakuza in Japan have more guns than members......in Japan...

And we have more guns than people here. So fucking what?

And our gun murder rate went down 49%....and our gun crime rate went down 75%....and our violent crime rate went down 72%....that is so what....banning guns for normal, law abiding people doesn't lower gun crime or violent crime....that is a fact.

If guns solved crime there wouldn't be any here.

Moron.....guns don't cause crime, the existence of criminals cause crime, guns are a tool. Since criminals can and will use guns, then guns used to stop them solve crime......and they are used by law abiding Americans 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals.....

Guns are weapons not tools. A screwdriver is a tool. And you number is absolute bullshit. One in 200 people do not pull out a gun to protect themselves. That's as stupid as it gets and most Americans don't even own a gun in the first place.

Yeah.......except the actual research says you are wrong.....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[KatieK]

And we have more guns than people here. So fucking what?

And our gun murder rate went down 49%....and our gun crime rate went down 75%....and our violent crime rate went down 72%....that is so what....banning guns for normal, law abiding people doesn't lower gun crime or violent crime....that is a fact.

If guns solved crime there wouldn't be any here.

Moron.....guns don't cause crime, the existence of criminals cause crime, guns are a tool. Since criminals can and will use guns, then guns used to stop them solve crime......and they are used by law abiding Americans 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals.....

Guns are weapons not tools. A screwdriver is a tool. And you number is absolute bullshit. One in 200 people do not pull out a gun to protect themselves. That's as stupid as it gets and most Americans don't even own a gun in the first place.

Yeah.......except the actual research says you are wrong.....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Posting a lie doesn't make it true. Learn some common sense.

 

[2aguy]

And our gun murder rate went down 49%....and our gun crime rate went down 75%....and our violent crime rate went down 72%....that is so what....banning guns for normal, law abiding people doesn't lower gun crime or violent crime....that is a fact.

If guns solved crime there wouldn't be any here.

Moron.....guns don't cause crime, the existence of criminals cause crime, guns are a tool. Since criminals can and will use guns, then guns used to stop them solve crime......and they are used by law abiding Americans 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals.....

Guns are weapons not tools. A screwdriver is a tool. And you number is absolute bullshit. One in 200 people do not pull out a gun to protect themselves. That's as stupid as it gets and most Americans don't even own a gun in the first place.

Yeah.......except the actual research says you are wrong.....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Posting a lie doesn't make it true. Learn some common sense.

Then you should stop posting lies.

Notice that two of those studies....one was from the Department of Justice under bill clinton......and another was done by obama's Centers for Disease control in 2013 that looked at all gun research....those are listed.......tell me they are lying....

 

[KatieK]

If guns solved crime there wouldn't be any here.

Moron.....guns don't cause crime, the existence of criminals cause crime, guns are a tool. Since criminals can and will use guns, then guns used to stop them solve crime......and they are used by law abiding Americans 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals.....

Guns are weapons not tools. A screwdriver is a tool. And you number is absolute bullshit. One in 200 people do not pull out a gun to protect themselves. That's as stupid as it gets and most Americans don't even own a gun in the first place.

Yeah.......except the actual research says you are wrong.....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Posting a lie doesn't make it true. Learn some common sense.

Then you should stop posting lies.

Notice that two of those studies....one was from the Department of Justice under bill clinton......and another was done by obama's Centers for Disease control in 2013 that looked at all gun research....those are listed.......tell me they are lying....

They are lying because it's absolutely impossible to get any good numbers. That's like counting how many clouds in the sky. You can guess but that's all it is. Common sense, when mostly Americans don't even own a gun, says they aren't used 1.5 million times a year in self defense. That's just some idiot pulling out his gun because a black kid walking home from the store minding is own business scares your pathetic white ass.

 

[RWNJ]

Moron.....guns don't cause crime, the existence of criminals cause crime, guns are a tool. Since criminals can and will use guns, then guns used to stop them solve crime......and they are used by law abiding Americans 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals.....

Guns are weapons not tools. A screwdriver is a tool. And you number is absolute bullshit. One in 200 people do not pull out a gun to protect themselves. That's as stupid as it gets and most Americans don't even own a gun in the first place.

Yeah.......except the actual research says you are wrong.....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Posting a lie doesn't make it true. Learn some common sense.

Then you should stop posting lies.

Notice that two of those studies....one was from the Department of Justice under bill clinton......and another was done by obama's Centers for Disease control in 2013 that looked at all gun research....those are listed.......tell me they are lying....

They are lying because it's absolutely impossible to get any good numbers. That's like counting how many clouds in the sky. You can guess but that's all it is. Common sense, when mostly Americans don't even own a gun, says they aren't used 1.5 million times a year in self defense. That's just some idiot pulling out his gun because a black kid walking home from the store minding is own business scares your pathetic white ass.

I find myself wondering how many people have you on their ignore list. You've just been added to mine. You keep spamming stupidity, forcing me to check my alerts every two minutes. You will no longer waste my valuable time. Good riddance.

 

[2aguy]

Moron.....guns don't cause crime, the existence of criminals cause crime, guns are a tool. Since criminals can and will use guns, then guns used to stop them solve crime......and they are used by law abiding Americans 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals.....

Guns are weapons not tools. A screwdriver is a tool. And you number is absolute bullshit. One in 200 people do not pull out a gun to protect themselves. That's as stupid as it gets and most Americans don't even own a gun in the first place.

Yeah.......except the actual research says you are wrong.....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Posting a lie doesn't make it true. Learn some common sense.

Then you should stop posting lies.

Notice that two of those studies....one was from the Department of Justice under bill clinton......and another was done by obama's Centers for Disease control in 2013 that looked at all gun research....those are listed.......tell me they are lying....

They are lying because it's absolutely impossible to get any good numbers. That's like counting how many clouds in the sky. You can guess but that's all it is. Common sense, when mostly Americans don't even own a gun, says they aren't used 1.5 million times a year in self defense. That's just some idiot pulling out his gun because a black kid walking home from the store minding is own business scares your pathetic white ass.

That is 40 years of research...over 40 now, by professional researchers, many of them anti gun researchers trying to prove your point...and they can't......anti gunners stated guns were used 1,500,000 times a year....and that is backed up by the other research as well...

 

[2aguy]

Guns are weapons not tools. A screwdriver is a tool. And you number is absolute bullshit. One in 200 people do not pull out a gun to protect themselves. That's as stupid as it gets and most Americans don't even own a gun in the first place.

Yeah.......except the actual research says you are wrong.....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Posting a lie doesn't make it true. Learn some common sense.

Then you should stop posting lies.

Notice that two of those studies....one was from the Department of Justice under bill clinton......and another was done by obama's Centers for Disease control in 2013 that looked at all gun research....those are listed.......tell me they are lying....

They are lying because it's absolutely impossible to get any good numbers. That's like counting how many clouds in the sky. You can guess but that's all it is. Common sense, when mostly Americans don't even own a gun, says they aren't used 1.5 million times a year in self defense. That's just some idiot pulling out his gun because a black kid walking home from the store minding is own business scares your pathetic white ass.

I find myself wondering how many people have you on their ignore list. You've just been added to mine. You keep spamming stupidity, forcing me to check my alerts every two minutes. You will no longer waste my valuable time. Good riddance.

I won't put this person on ignore because I use their posts to get the truth out.....even when they are really annoying like this one and brain....

 

[RWNJ]

Guns are weapons not tools. A screwdriver is a tool. And you number is absolute bullshit. One in 200 people do not pull out a gun to protect themselves. That's as stupid as it gets and most Americans don't even own a gun in the first place.

Yeah.......except the actual research says you are wrong.....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Posting a lie doesn't make it true. Learn some common sense.

Then you should stop posting lies.

Notice that two of those studies....one was from the Department of Justice under bill clinton......and another was done by obama's Centers for Disease control in 2013 that looked at all gun research....those are listed.......tell me they are lying....

They are lying because it's absolutely impossible to get any good numbers. That's like counting how many clouds in the sky. You can guess but that's all it is. Common sense, when mostly Americans don't even own a gun, says they aren't used 1.5 million times a year in self defense. That's just some idiot pulling out his gun because a black kid walking home from the store minding is own business scares your pathetic white ass.

That is 40 years of research...over 40 now, by professional researchers, many of them anti gun researchers trying to prove your point...and they can't......anti gunners stated guns were used 1,500,000 times a year....and that is backed up by the other research as well...

Why do you continue to respond to this imbecile?

 

[RWNJ]

Yeah.......except the actual research says you are wrong.....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Posting a lie doesn't make it true. Learn some common sense.

Then you should stop posting lies.

Notice that two of those studies....one was from the Department of Justice under bill clinton......and another was done by obama's Centers for Disease control in 2013 that looked at all gun research....those are listed.......tell me they are lying....

They are lying because it's absolutely impossible to get any good numbers. That's like counting how many clouds in the sky. You can guess but that's all it is. Common sense, when mostly Americans don't even own a gun, says they aren't used 1.5 million times a year in self defense. That's just some idiot pulling out his gun because a black kid walking home from the store minding is own business scares your pathetic white ass.

I find myself wondering how many people have you on their ignore list. You've just been added to mine. You keep spamming stupidity, forcing me to check my alerts every two minutes. You will no longer waste my valuable time. Good riddance.

I won't put this person on ignore because I use their posts to get the truth out.....even when they are really annoying like this one and brain....

Knock yourself out. I just can't stand seeing alerts every few minutes, then finding out it's the same idiot.

 

[KatieK]

Guns are weapons not tools. A screwdriver is a tool. And you number is absolute bullshit. One in 200 people do not pull out a gun to protect themselves. That's as stupid as it gets and most Americans don't even own a gun in the first place.

Yeah.......except the actual research says you are wrong.....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Posting a lie doesn't make it true. Learn some common sense.

Then you should stop posting lies.

Notice that two of those studies....one was from the Department of Justice under bill clinton......and another was done by obama's Centers for Disease control in 2013 that looked at all gun research....those are listed.......tell me they are lying....

They are lying because it's absolutely impossible to get any good numbers. That's like counting how many clouds in the sky. You can guess but that's all it is. Common sense, when mostly Americans don't even own a gun, says they aren't used 1.5 million times a year in self defense. That's just some idiot pulling out his gun because a black kid walking home from the store minding is own business scares your pathetic white ass.

That is 40 years of research...over 40 now, by professional researchers, many of them anti gun researchers trying to prove your point...and they can't......anti gunners stated guns were used 1,500,000 times a year....and that is backed up by the other research as well...

You are more than welcome to believe your propaganda but it's still pro-gun ownership propaganda.

 

[2aguy]

Yeah.......except the actual research says you are wrong.....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

--------------------


Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


-------------------------------------------

Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

*****************************************
If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Posting a lie doesn't make it true. Learn some common sense.

Then you should stop posting lies.

Notice that two of those studies....one was from the Department of Justice under bill clinton......and another was done by obama's Centers for Disease control in 2013 that looked at all gun research....those are listed.......tell me they are lying....

They are lying because it's absolutely impossible to get any good numbers. That's like counting how many clouds in the sky. You can guess but that's all it is. Common sense, when mostly Americans don't even own a gun, says they aren't used 1.5 million times a year in self defense. That's just some idiot pulling out his gun because a black kid walking home from the store minding is own business scares your pathetic white ass.

That is 40 years of research...over 40 now, by professional researchers, many of them anti gun researchers trying to prove your point...and they can't......anti gunners stated guns were used 1,500,000 times a year....and that is backed up by the other research as well...

Why do you continue to respond to this imbecile?

Because they allow me to put out the truth. I noticed years ago that the anti gunners take every opportunity to attack gun ownership...in movies, and t.v., to the point that normal people simply parrot back what they hear or see without knowing the actual truth, facts or reallity......the only way to change that...is to put the truth, facts and reality out every single chance we have....so when that idiot says people don't use guns for self defense....I get to put out those gun self defense studies.....

I use them to get the truth out.....for the people who are not dedicated to the fight for our rights who might just be clicking through the threads, and happen to see the gun debate...

That's why...