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In no case did Irish have it worse than blacks.
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Time for Reparations to the Irish
- Thread starter Weatherman2020
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Wrong. The simple fact the voluntarily came herr proves your opinion is wrong.Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.
- Mar 11, 2015
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Work or starve is the choice we all have now.Yeah, White Privilege: work or starve.No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine Statewww.aohflorida.org
The Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our nativeknowledgenuts.com
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
The Irish just like every other white ethnic group in this country, chose to unite around skin color and deny rights to those who were not white.
Lastamender
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Let's cut to the chase you are born the color you are born with. What can't you understand about that? There is no choice in the matter.Yes in fact they made that choice.Was being white their choice somehow? Did you chose to be Black?No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine StateThe Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
“In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.
An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: "Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, 'You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.' The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded."
Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out. They realized that as long as they continued to work alongside blacks, they would be considered no different. Later, as Irish became prominent in the labor movement, African Americans were excluded from participation. In fact, one of the primary themes of How the Irish Became White is the way in which left labor historians, such as the highly acclaimed Herbert Gutman, have not paid sufficient attention to the problem of race in the development of the labor movement.
And so, we have the tragic story of how one oppressed "race," Irish Catholics, learned how to collaborate in the oppression of another "race," Africans in America, in order to secure their place in the white republic. Becoming white meant losing their greenness, i.e., their Irish cultural heritage and the legacy of oppression and discrimination back home.”
Art McDonald, Ph.D., “How the Irish Became White”
themirrorthief
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no one has denied minorities the right to drink...obviouslyWork or starve is the choice we all have now.Yeah, White Privilege: work or starve.No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine StateThe Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
The Irish just like every other white ethnic group in this country, chose to unite around skin color and deny rights to those who were not white.
- Mar 11, 2015
- 83,776
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Let's cut to the chase, Irish and other white ethnic groups chose to deny otherS of opportunity because of the color they were born with. And today they still do.Let's cut to the chase you are born the color you are born with. What can't you understand about that? There is no choice in the matter.Yes in fact they made that choice.Was being white their choice somehow? Did you chose to be Black?No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine StateThe Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
“In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.
An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: "Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, 'You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.' The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded."
Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out. They realized that as long as they continued to work alongside blacks, they would be considered no different. Later, as Irish became prominent in the labor movement, African Americans were excluded from participation. In fact, one of the primary themes of How the Irish Became White is the way in which left labor historians, such as the highly acclaimed Herbert Gutman, have not paid sufficient attention to the problem of race in the development of the labor movement.
And so, we have the tragic story of how one oppressed "race," Irish Catholics, learned how to collaborate in the oppression of another "race," Africans in America, in order to secure their place in the white republic. Becoming white meant losing their greenness, i.e., their Irish cultural heritage and the legacy of oppression and discrimination back home.”
Art McDonald, Ph.D., “How the Irish Became White”
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Unkotare
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You got a problem with that?They'll just use the money to buy more booze.Time for Reparations to the Irish
themirrorthief
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white people bought the slaves from other blacks....so buying slaves actually helped the african economy a great dealPeople forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine StateThe Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
White Cargo is fake news and there is the matter of the 158 years since slavery ended that whites like you seem unable to face.
Lastamender
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What a wicked victim you are, not. If you want do anything about it stop voting for Democrats because you are nothing but a plaything for them.Let's cut to the chase, Irish and other white ethnic groups chose to deny other of opportunity because of the color they were born with. And today they still do.Let's cut to the chase you are born the color you are born with. What can't you understand about that? There is no choice in the matter.Yes in fact they made that choice.Was being white their choice somehow? Did you chose to be Black?No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine StateThe Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
“In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.
An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: "Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, 'You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.' The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded."
Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out. They realized that as long as they continued to work alongside blacks, they would be considered no different. Later, as Irish became prominent in the labor movement, African Americans were excluded from participation. In fact, one of the primary themes of How the Irish Became White is the way in which left labor historians, such as the highly acclaimed Herbert Gutman, have not paid sufficient attention to the problem of race in the development of the labor movement.
And so, we have the tragic story of how one oppressed "race," Irish Catholics, learned how to collaborate in the oppression of another "race," Africans in America, in order to secure their place in the white republic. Becoming white meant losing their greenness, i.e., their Irish cultural heritage and the legacy of oppression and discrimination back home.”
Art McDonald, Ph.D., “How the Irish Became White”
- Mar 11, 2015
- 83,776
- 50,602
- 2,645
no one has denied minorities the right to drink...obviouslyWork or starve is the choice we all have now.Yeah, White Privilege: work or starve.No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine StateThe Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
The Irish just like every other white ethnic group in this country, chose to unite around skin color and deny rights to those who were not white.
- Mar 11, 2015
- 83,776
- 50,602
- 2,645
Don't try that victim shit with me. Face the truth and grow as a human being.What a wicked victim you are, not. If you want do anything about it stop voting for Democrats because you are nothing but a plaything for them.Let's cut to the chase, Irish and other white ethnic groups chose to deny other of opportunity because of the color they were born with. And today they still do.Let's cut to the chase you are born the color you are born with. What can't you understand about that? There is no choice in the matter.Yes in fact they made that choice.Was being white their choice somehow? Did you chose to be Black?No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine StateThe Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
“In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.
An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: "Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, 'You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.' The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded."
Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out. They realized that as long as they continued to work alongside blacks, they would be considered no different. Later, as Irish became prominent in the labor movement, African Americans were excluded from participation. In fact, one of the primary themes of How the Irish Became White is the way in which left labor historians, such as the highly acclaimed Herbert Gutman, have not paid sufficient attention to the problem of race in the development of the labor movement.
And so, we have the tragic story of how one oppressed "race," Irish Catholics, learned how to collaborate in the oppression of another "race," Africans in America, in order to secure their place in the white republic. Becoming white meant losing their greenness, i.e., their Irish cultural heritage and the legacy of oppression and discrimination back home.”
Art McDonald, Ph.D., “How the Irish Became White”
AZrailwhale
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The Irish came here because the Brits were starving them at home. Being free and possibly starving here was better than being dominated and certainly starving in Ireland. To put it simply it was better here than there. That's why they paid to come here and made damn sure their descendants had a better life than at home.Wrong. The simple fact the voluntarily came herr proves your opinion is wrong.Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.
Lesh
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And not for as long eitherIn no case did Irish have it worse than blacks.In most cases Irish had it much worse than slaves.LOLFuk the Irish
A bunch of drunks
Another left wing slave Lord.
The Irish were the slaves who dug all the canals in New Orleans.
How long were they indentured?
They were treated much, much better than REAL Louisiana slaves
Let’s not even get into what it was like for the Chinese.
SassyIrishLass
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Don't try that victim shit with me. Face the truth and grow as a human being.What a wicked victim you are, not. If you want do anything about it stop voting for Democrats because you are nothing but a plaything for them.Let's cut to the chase, Irish and other white ethnic groups chose to deny other of opportunity because of the color they were born with. And today they still do.Let's cut to the chase you are born the color you are born with. What can't you understand about that? There is no choice in the matter.Yes in fact they made that choice.Was being white their choice somehow? Did you chose to be Black?No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine StateThe Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
“In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.
An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: "Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, 'You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.' The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded."
Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out. They realized that as long as they continued to work alongside blacks, they would be considered no different. Later, as Irish became prominent in the labor movement, African Americans were excluded from participation. In fact, one of the primary themes of How the Irish Became White is the way in which left labor historians, such as the highly acclaimed Herbert Gutman, have not paid sufficient attention to the problem of race in the development of the labor movement.
And so, we have the tragic story of how one oppressed "race," Irish Catholics, learned how to collaborate in the oppression of another "race," Africans in America, in order to secure their place in the white republic. Becoming white meant losing their greenness, i.e., their Irish cultural heritage and the legacy of oppression and discrimination back home.”
Art McDonald, Ph.D., “How the Irish Became White”
You play the victim card again, again, again, again....
AZrailwhale
Diamond Member
You are an idiot. Show me anyone in the USA that is starving. It just doesn't happen, even the homeless don't starve.Work or starve is the choice we all have now.Yeah, White Privilege: work or starve.No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine StateThe Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
The Irish just like every other white ethnic group in this country, chose to unite around skin color and deny rights to those who were not white.
- Mar 11, 2015
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And they came over here and praciticed racism against blacks. No amount of your trying to lie about how the Irish had it worse than blacks changes this truth.The Irish came here because the Brits were starving them at home. Being free and possibly starving here was better than being dominated and certainly starving in Ireland. To put it simply it was better here than there. That's why they paid to come here and made damn sure their descendants had a better life than at home.Wrong. The simple fact the voluntarily came herr proves your opinion is wrong.Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.
- Mar 11, 2015
- 83,776
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You white Irish racists are the ones playing the victim card. I'm playingDon't try that victim shit with me. Face the truth and grow as a human being.What a wicked victim you are, not. If you want do anything about it stop voting for Democrats because you are nothing but a plaything for them.Let's cut to the chase, Irish and other white ethnic groups chose to deny other of opportunity because of the color they were born with. And today they still do.Let's cut to the chase you are born the color you are born with. What can't you understand about that? There is no choice in the matter.Yes in fact they made that choice.Was being white their choice somehow? Did you chose to be Black?No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine StateThe Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
“In the early years of immigration the poor Irish and blacks were thrown together, very much part of the same class competing for the same jobs. In the census of 1850, the term mulatto appears for the first time due primarily to inter-marriage between Irish and African Americans. The Irish were often referred to as Negroes turned inside out and Negroes as smoked Irish. A famous quip of the time attributed to a black man went something like this: "My master is a great tyrant, he treats me like a common Irishman." Free blacks and Irish were viewed by the Nativists as related, somehow similar, performing the same tasks in society. It was felt that if amalgamation between the races was to happen, it would happen between Irish and blacks. But, ultimately, the Irish made the decision to embrace whiteness, thus becoming part of the system which dominated and oppressed blacks. Although it contradicted their experience back home, it meant freedom here since blackness meant slavery.
An article by a black writer in an 1860 edition of the Liberator explained how the Irish ultimately attained their objectives: "Fifteen or twenty years ago, a Catholic priest in Philadelphia said to the Irish people in that city, 'You are all poor, and chiefly laborers, the blacks are poor laborers; many of the native whites are laborers; now, if you wish to succeed, you must do everything that they do, no matter how degrading, and do it for less than they can afford to do it for.' The Irish adopted this plan; they lived on less than the Americans could live upon, and worked for less, and the result is, that nearly all the menial employments are monopolized by the Irish, who now get as good prices as anybody. There were other avenues open to American white men, and though they have suffered much, the chief support of the Irish has come from the places from which we have been crowded."
Once the Irish secured themselves in those jobs, they made sure blacks were kept out. They realized that as long as they continued to work alongside blacks, they would be considered no different. Later, as Irish became prominent in the labor movement, African Americans were excluded from participation. In fact, one of the primary themes of How the Irish Became White is the way in which left labor historians, such as the highly acclaimed Herbert Gutman, have not paid sufficient attention to the problem of race in the development of the labor movement.
And so, we have the tragic story of how one oppressed "race," Irish Catholics, learned how to collaborate in the oppression of another "race," Africans in America, in order to secure their place in the white republic. Becoming white meant losing their greenness, i.e., their Irish cultural heritage and the legacy of oppression and discrimination back home.”
Art McDonald, Ph.D., “How the Irish Became White”
You play the victim card again, again, again, again....
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AZrailwhale
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And against the Chinese, Japanese, Jews, Italians, Mexicans and any other group. All the groups including BLACKS practiced and practice racism against all other groups.And they came over here and praciticed racism against blacks. No amount of your trying to lie about how the Irish had it worse than blacks changes this truth.The Irish came here because the Brits were starving them at home. Being free and possibly starving here was better than being dominated and certainly starving in Ireland. To put it simply it was better here than there. That's why they paid to come here and made damn sure their descendants had a better life than at home.Wrong. The simple fact the voluntarily came herr proves your opinion is wrong.Yes. The Irishman who was sick or injured was left to starve or live on whatever charity was available. He was disposable, a slave was valuable to his owner and would never be left to starve if injured. Frame it any way you want, voluntary immigrants were disposable, expensive slaves were not.Slavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.
You are an idiot. Show me anyone in the USA that is starving. It just doesn't happen, even the homeless don't starve.Work or starve is the choice we all have now.Yeah, White Privilege: work or starve.No, the Irish were white and benefitted from being white.People forget every race has been involved in buying and selling slaves. Again, holding present day people responsible for the past makes no sense. It is a tool to divide people.Show me an Irishman who had his children sold off or was whippedSlavery was institutionalized in the Colonies by the English, the Spanish and every other European country for 200 hundred years. The Confederacy only existed for about 4 years. The last Yankee state to abolish slavery was New Jersey about ten years before the Civil War. The Irish immigrants in the early 1860's were snatched up almost before they left the ship to be used as cannon fodder in the Civil War by the hypocrite North.
So are you saying that the Irish who volunteered to come to America suffered worse than the black folks who were brought to this country in chains.AOH Florida State Board is under construction
Friendship, Unity, and Christian Charity from the Sunshine StateThe Forgotten History Of The Irish Sold Into Slavery
"What captivity has been to the Jews, exile has been to the Irish. For us, the romance of our native
Read the book White Cargo, tragic
The Irish worked through it, some others not so much
The Irish just like every other white ethnic group in this country, chose to unite around skin color and deny rights to those who were not white.
pretty much. Poor people in other countries pick food out of the garbage. Here poor people have flatscreens and smart phones
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