Time Travels At The Speed Of Light

[Flanders]

Physical matter never entirely vanishes. Matter transforms into something else; so it’s logical to conclude that man’s essence known as the soul, the spirit, and so on never vanish. Reincarnation, eternal life, heaven and hell, are expressions of nothing vanishes.

Perverse philosophers like Karl Marx wrap themselves in science while insisting there is nothing after death. Priesthoods downplay science while predicting what comes after death. Reincarnation, eternal life, heaven and hell, are predictions. Time is where they all stumble.

Time is an invention. Men invented time because they could not comprehend existence without time. Men measure their invention with sundials and clocks. Using mankind’s definition of time an absence of time travels at the speed of light. One second, or fifty years, in an individual’s life cannot be measured against timelessness. The life span of mankind itself has no meaning at the speed of light.

Nothing ages at the speed of light is another philosophy that holds out the promise of eternal life.

The physical death of an individual is an end of invented time for that individual. Whatever lives on after death does so in a dimension without time. Logically, the death of every living creature lives on after death; doggie heaven is a child’s profound understanding of eternity.

Ultimately, it’s easier to imagine God than it is to imagine going through eternity second by second.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Physical matter never entirely vanishes. Matter transforms into something else; so it’s logical to conclude that man’s essence known as the soul, the spirit, and so on never vanish. Reincarnation, eternal life, heaven and hell, are expressions of nothing vanishes.

Perverse philosophers like Karl Marx wrap themselves in science while insisting there is nothing after death. Priesthoods downplay science while predicting what comes after death. Reincarnation, eternal life, heaven and hell, are predictions. Time is where they all stumble.

Time is an invention. Men invented time because they could not comprehend existence without time. Men measure their invention with sundials and clocks. Using mankind’s definition of time an absence of time travels at the speed of light. One second, or fifty years, in an individual’s life cannot be measured against timelessness. The life span of mankind itself has no meaning at the speed of light.

Nothing ages at the speed of light is another philosophy that holds out the promise of eternal life.

The physical death of an individual is an end of invented time for that individual. Whatever lives on after death does so in a dimension without time. Logically, the death of every living creature lives on after death; doggie heaven is a child’s profound understanding of eternity.

Ultimately, it’s easier to imagine God than it is to imagine going through eternity second by second.

there is a cool scene in the movie Always

where after pete crashes and burns

he is walking through a burnt out forest

and discovers hap

who during the conversation tells pete

that dorinda has barely gotten over him

he says - i certainly hope so it has just been a 1/2 hour-

hap says -time is a funny thing back there they think it is 6 months -

 

[Mr. H.]

Very interesting, Flanders.

 

[Flanders]

Very interesting, Flanders.

To Mr. H.: And thank you for saying so.

 

[The Irish Ram]

If a twin went into space and then returned, he would be younger than his sibling. Time is a funny thing. It exists as a dimension. But that means that it wasn't invented by man. We didn't start it in motion, just because we are subject to it, just like Newton didn't invent gravity, just because he discovered its existence.
And our perception of time here is different than spacial time. For instance, you can never look at the sun in present time. If you look at the sun right now, what you are seeing is the way the sun looked 8 minutes ago.
Einstein looked through a telescope and realized time was in motion, which meant it had to start moving at some point. That revelation led him to the theory of Relativity.

God created time and not being subject to it, can move to points in time forward, and backward. It is how He is able to tell us what to expect ahead of "time". He's not stuck in it the way we are here on earth. And it is not linear. .___________________________________. the way we tend to look at a time line.
An atomic clock in London, although precise, will have a different time than an atomic clock in Boulder, equally as precise, because of topography. One clock is time at sea level, and one is time on top of a mountain. Time bends.

Once a soul is released from it's terrestrial shell, it is no longer bound by earthly things like time or gravity. And can move freely among all of the infinite dimensions God created using physics.

Flanders if you like science, the book, 'God at the Speed of Light' is amazing. It suggests by watching the light from a laser, that light has the capability of making decisions.
If you intersect two beams of light, they look constant, but are not. At the point of intersection, the beams take turns going through the intersection, as opposed to two jets of water that becomes chaotic when they intersect.
This is a good thread.

 

[Flanders]

If a twin went into space and then returned, he would be younger than his sibling.

To The Irish Ram: Theory, and that’s assuming the space traveler went to and from at the speed of light.

Time is a funny thing. It exists as a dimension. But that means that it wasn't invented by man. We didn't start it in motion, just because we are subject to it, just like Newton didn't invent gravity, just because he discovered its existence.

To The Irish Ram: Gravity is a physical law. Time is not.

And our perception of time here is different than spacial time. For instance, you can never look at the sun in present time. If you look at the sun right now, what you are seeing is the way the sun looked 8 minutes ago.

To The Irish Ram: That’s an explanation of light traveling. The 8 minutes by man’s clock is irrelevant. An elephant with nothing more than the certainty of night following day sees the same light arriving from the sun.

Einstein looked through a telescope and realized time was in motion, which meant it had to start moving at some point. That revelation led him to the theory of Relativity.

To The Irish Ram: That must have been one magical telescope.

God created time and not being subject to it, can move to points in time forward, and backward.

To The Irish Ram: Only if you apply the prime mover theory. God created man. Man invented time.

It is how He is able to tell us what to expect ahead of "time". He's not stuck in it the way we are here on earth. And it is not linear. .___________________________________. the way we tend to look at a time line.

To The Irish Ram: It’s gets a little trickier when you say God invented timelessness. For one thing, in a timeless dimension everybody who will ever live is already there.

An atomic clock in London, although precise, will have a different time than an atomic clock in Boulder, equally as precise, because of topography. One clock is time at sea level, and one is time on top of a mountain.

To The Irish Ram: You’re explaining man’s understanding of time.

Time bends.

To The Irish Ram: It just as logical to say that the atmosphere bends.

Once a soul is released from it's terrestrial shell, it is no longer bound by earthly things like time or gravity. And can move freely among all of the infinite dimensions God created using physics.

To The Irish Ram: Science tells us that gravity in a black hole is so irresistible not even light can escape. Now, assume a space ship is INSTANTLY sucked into a black hole. Can the souls of each crew member escape after their terrestrial shells are crushed to a speck of dust to small to see?

Flanders if you like science, the book, 'God at the Speed of Light' is amazing. It suggests by watching the light from a laser, that light has the capability of making decisions.

To The Irish Ram: I cannot accept light making a decision. Do you have any philosophical examples?

If you intersect two beams of light, they look constant, but are not. At the point of intersection, the beams take turns going through the intersection, as opposed to two jets of water that becomes chaotic when they intersect.

To The Irish Ram: I still see no relation between light and time, or timelessness.

This is a good thread.

To The Irish Ram: You’re a man of nice judgement.

 

[Mr. H.]

I don't think time would exist without the presence of matter, no matter how elemental.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.

 

[jon_berzerk]

If a twin went into space and then returned, he would be younger than his sibling. Time is a funny thing. It exists as a dimension. But that means that it wasn't invented by man. We didn't start it in motion, just because we are subject to it, just like Newton didn't invent gravity, just because he discovered its existence.
And our perception of time here is different than spacial time. For instance, you can never look at the sun in present time. If you look at the sun right now, what you are seeing is the way the sun looked 8 minutes ago.
Einstein looked through a telescope and realized time was in motion, which meant it had to start moving at some point. That revelation led him to the theory of Relativity.

God created time and not being subject to it, can move to points in time forward, and backward. It is how He is able to tell us what to expect ahead of "time". He's not stuck in it the way we are here on earth. And it is not linear. .___________________________________. the way we tend to look at a time line.
An atomic clock in London, although precise, will have a different time than an atomic clock in Boulder, equally as precise, because of topography. One clock is time at sea level, and one is time on top of a mountain. Time bends.

Once a soul is released from it's terrestrial shell, it is no longer bound by earthly things like time or gravity. And can move freely among all of the infinite dimensions God created using physics.

Flanders if you like science, the book, 'God at the Speed of Light' is amazing. It suggests by watching the light from a laser, that light has the capability of making decisions.
If you intersect two beams of light, they look constant, but are not. At the point of intersection, the beams take turns going through the intersection, as opposed to two jets of water that becomes chaotic when they intersect.
This is a good thread.

you can never look at the sun in present time

sure you can

we can also look back into the distant past

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If a twin went into space and then returned, he would be younger than his sibling. Time is a funny thing. It exists as a dimension. But that means that it wasn't invented by man. We didn't start it in motion, just because we are subject to it, just like Newton didn't invent gravity, just because he discovered its existence.
And our perception of time here is different than spacial time. For instance, you can never look at the sun in present time. If you look at the sun right now, what you are seeing is the way the sun looked 8 minutes ago.
Einstein looked through a telescope and realized time was in motion, which meant it had to start moving at some point. That revelation led him to the theory of Relativity.

God created time and not being subject to it, can move to points in time forward, and backward. It is how He is able to tell us what to expect ahead of "time". He's not stuck in it the way we are here on earth. And it is not linear. .___________________________________. the way we tend to look at a time line.
An atomic clock in London, although precise, will have a different time than an atomic clock in Boulder, equally as precise, because of topography. One clock is time at sea level, and one is time on top of a mountain. Time bends.

Once a soul is released from it's terrestrial shell, it is no longer bound by earthly things like time or gravity. And can move freely among all of the infinite dimensions God created using physics.

Flanders if you like science, the book, 'God at the Speed of Light' is amazing. It suggests by watching the light from a laser, that light has the capability of making decisions.
If you intersect two beams of light, they look constant, but are not. At the point of intersection, the beams take turns going through the intersection, as opposed to two jets of water that becomes chaotic when they intersect.
This is a good thread.

So time is kind of like Brisket; it was there the whole time

 

[HenryBHough]

Relativity was accidentally proven by a TV network in about 1952 when a pair of "atomic clocks" were synchronized in New York and one was flown to the west coast for the broadcast of a football game. When they were re-compared there was a measurable difference between them. Measured in nanoseconds, it is true, but of major importance with video. I vaguely recall a paper done on the event a year or so after but can't lay my hands on it so don't even ask.

 

[The Irish Ram]

If a twin went into space and then returned, he would be younger than his sibling. Time is a funny thing. It exists as a dimension. But that means that it wasn't invented by man. We didn't start it in motion, just because we are subject to it, just like Newton didn't invent gravity, just because he discovered its existence.
And our perception of time here is different than spacial time. For instance, you can never look at the sun in present time. If you look at the sun right now, what you are seeing is the way the sun looked 8 minutes ago.
Einstein looked through a telescope and realized time was in motion, which meant it had to start moving at some point. That revelation led him to the theory of Relativity.

God created time and not being subject to it, can move to points in time forward, and backward. It is how He is able to tell us what to expect ahead of "time". He's not stuck in it the way we are here on earth. And it is not linear. .___________________________________. the way we tend to look at a time line.
An atomic clock in London, although precise, will have a different time than an atomic clock in Boulder, equally as precise, because of topography. One clock is time at sea level, and one is time on top of a mountain. Time bends.

Once a soul is released from it's terrestrial shell, it is no longer bound by earthly things like time or gravity. And can move freely among all of the infinite dimensions God created using physics.

Flanders if you like science, the book, 'God at the Speed of Light' is amazing. It suggests by watching the light from a laser, that light has the capability of making decisions.
If you intersect two beams of light, they look constant, but are not. At the point of intersection, the beams take turns going through the intersection, as opposed to two jets of water that becomes chaotic when they intersect.
This is a good thread.

you can never look at the sun in present time

sure you can

we can also look back into the distant past

No you can't though. What ever happens on the sun takes 8 minutes to reach our range of vision. What happened on the sun a few minutes ago is still on it's way.
We can look back with the aid of a computer program but we need to be in the 6th dimension to be able to actually go back. Christ is a good example of traversing different dimensions when He came back 3 days after He was crucified. His physical, earthy body was glorified, and could enter and leave a dimension at will. He can go back. We can't, until our bodies are glorified and we are like Him.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Relativity was accidentally proven by a TV network in about 1952 when a pair of "atomic clocks" were synchronized in New York and one was flown to the west coast for the broadcast of a football game. When they were re-compared there was a measurable difference between them. Measured in nanoseconds, it is true, but of major importance with video. I vaguely recall a paper done on the event a year or so after but can't lay my hands on it so don't even ask.

The reason for the difference was the plane ride. Time curves. At 30,000 feet, where you are located on the time curve and experiencing the "time", is different from waiting to experience time way down at sea level. And the clock on the plane was experiencing time more quickly. Quicker and higher.

So, where do you think that paper may be????

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Physical matter never entirely vanishes. Matter transforms into something else; so it’s logical to conclude that man’s essence known as the soul, the spirit, and so on never vanish. Reincarnation, eternal life, heaven and hell, are expressions of nothing vanishes.

Perverse philosophers like Karl Marx wrap themselves in science while insisting there is nothing after death. Priesthoods downplay science while predicting what comes after death. Reincarnation, eternal life, heaven and hell, are predictions. Time is where they all stumble.

Time is an invention. Men invented time because they could not comprehend existence without time. Men measure their invention with sundials and clocks. Using mankind’s definition of time an absence of time travels at the speed of light. One second, or fifty years, in an individual’s life cannot be measured against timelessness. The life span of mankind itself has no meaning at the speed of light.

Nothing ages at the speed of light is another philosophy that holds out the promise of eternal life.

The physical death of an individual is an end of invented time for that individual. Whatever lives on after death does so in a dimension without time. Logically, the death of every living creature lives on after death; doggie heaven is a child’s profound understanding of eternity.

Ultimately, it’s easier to imagine God than it is to imagine going through eternity second by second.

[youtube]UemhCsaeGgc[/youtube]

 

[Mr. H.]

Physical matter never entirely vanishes. Matter transforms into something else; so it’s logical to conclude that man’s essence known as the soul, the spirit, and so on never vanish. Reincarnation, eternal life, heaven and hell, are expressions of nothing vanishes.

Perverse philosophers like Karl Marx wrap themselves in science while insisting there is nothing after death. Priesthoods downplay science while predicting what comes after death. Reincarnation, eternal life, heaven and hell, are predictions. Time is where they all stumble.

Time is an invention. Men invented time because they could not comprehend existence without time. Men measure their invention with sundials and clocks. Using mankind’s definition of time an absence of time travels at the speed of light. One second, or fifty years, in an individual’s life cannot be measured against timelessness. The life span of mankind itself has no meaning at the speed of light.

Nothing ages at the speed of light is another philosophy that holds out the promise of eternal life.

The physical death of an individual is an end of invented time for that individual. Whatever lives on after death does so in a dimension without time. Logically, the death of every living creature lives on after death; doggie heaven is a child’s profound understanding of eternity.

Ultimately, it’s easier to imagine God than it is to imagine going through eternity second by second.

[youtube]UemhCsaeGgc[/youtube]

Virtual particles don't constitute "nothing". Get real.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Physical matter never entirely vanishes. Matter transforms into something else; so it’s logical to conclude that man’s essence known as the soul, the spirit, and so on never vanish. Reincarnation, eternal life, heaven and hell, are expressions of nothing vanishes.

Perverse philosophers like Karl Marx wrap themselves in science while insisting there is nothing after death. Priesthoods downplay science while predicting what comes after death. Reincarnation, eternal life, heaven and hell, are predictions. Time is where they all stumble.

Time is an invention. Men invented time because they could not comprehend existence without time. Men measure their invention with sundials and clocks. Using mankind’s definition of time an absence of time travels at the speed of light. One second, or fifty years, in an individual’s life cannot be measured against timelessness. The life span of mankind itself has no meaning at the speed of light.

Nothing ages at the speed of light is another philosophy that holds out the promise of eternal life.

The physical death of an individual is an end of invented time for that individual. Whatever lives on after death does so in a dimension without time. Logically, the death of every living creature lives on after death; doggie heaven is a child’s profound understanding of eternity.

Ultimately, it’s easier to imagine God than it is to imagine going through eternity second by second.

[youtube]UemhCsaeGgc[/youtube]

Virtual particles don't constitute "nothing". Get real.

Ground Control to Mr H...

 

[Flanders]

Nice input guys.

Everything said about measuring the speed of light can be said about measuring the speed of sound. Question: Why all of the mystique about the speed of light? Answer: Einstein’s Theory of Relativity.

 

[jon_berzerk]

enjoy

 

[Mr. H.]

[youtube]UemhCsaeGgc[/youtube]

Virtual particles don't constitute "nothing". Get real.

Ground Control to Mr H...

"Empty space" is an oxymoron.

That's guy's just a moron.

 

[The Irish Ram]

If a twin went into space and then returned, he would be younger than his sibling.

To The Irish Ram: Theory, and that’s assuming the space traveler went to and from at the speed of light.

Time is a funny thing. It exists as a dimension. But that means that it wasn't invented by man. We didn't start it in motion, just because we are subject to it, just like Newton didn't invent gravity, just because he discovered its existence.

To The Irish Ram: Gravity is a physical law. Time is not.



To The Irish Ram: That’s an explanation of light traveling. The 8 minutes by man’s clock is irrelevant. An elephant with nothing more than the certainty of night following day sees the same light arriving from the sun.



To The Irish Ram: That must have been one magical telescope.



To The Irish Ram: Only if you apply the prime mover theory. God created man. Man invented time.



To The Irish Ram: It’s gets a little trickier when you say God invented timelessness. For one thing, in a timeless dimension everybody who will ever live is already there.



To The Irish Ram: You’re explaining man’s understanding of time.


To The Irish Ram: It just as logical to say that the atmosphere bends.



To The Irish Ram: Science tells us that gravity in a black hole is so irresistible not even light can escape. Now, assume a space ship is INSTANTLY sucked into a black hole. Can the souls of each crew member escape after their terrestrial shells are crushed to a speck of dust to small to see?



To The Irish Ram: I cannot accept light making a decision. Do you have any philosophical examples?

If you intersect two beams of light, they look constant, but are not. At the point of intersection, the beams take turns going through the intersection, as opposed to two jets of water that becomes chaotic when they intersect.

To The Irish Ram: I still see no relation between light and time, or timelessness.

This is a good thread.

To The Irish Ram: You’re a man of nice judgement.

To Flanders, lol:

Yes, we would be assuming.
Gravity is a physical law. Time is a spacial law. Einstein hated it but couldn't live without it.
It was a telescope that belonged to Hubble.....

But, we need to discuss what I see is a flaw in your hypothesis.
It is your contention that God created man. Man invented time. Excuse the pun but your timing is all wrong.

If you believe that God created man, then you also have to believe that time existed before man.
God regulates time right off the bat, and tells us how to define it:

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Man didn't show up until five more units of time had passed.

Turns out God created both