To Atheists and Christians

[dblack]

Why do atheists and Christians need proof for their beliefs.

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It sounds like you're going with a definition of atheism that presumes a "belief" that no god exists. I've never understood it that way. My understanding is that atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god, which requires no proof.

 

[pacer]

Why do atheists and Christians need proof for their beliefs.

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It sounds like you're going with a definition of atheism that presumes a "belief" that no god exists. I've never understood it that way. My understanding is that atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god, which requires no proof.

You're actually saying the same thing, in other words, i.e.

A belief that no god exists
A lack of belief that a god does exist

 

[dblack]

Why do atheists and Christians need proof for their beliefs.

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It sounds like you're going with a definition of atheism that presumes a "belief" that no god exists. I've never understood it that way. My understanding is that atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god, which requires no proof.

You're actually saying the same thing, in other words, i.e.

A belief that no god exists
A lack of belief that a god does exist

They're not the same. There may be a god your there somewhere, but I've not yet been convinced. I just don't believe in any of the gods so far proposed. See the difference?

 

[theword]

... what he created "for us" and that is life.

How about just created, without the "for us".


a fallacy of your book is in its beginning - "everything" created is in the image of God, certainly so if all in the end is simply energy ....

If this is what you need to satisfy your flesh, then so be it.

If this is what you need to satisfy your flesh, then so be it.

which is it ?

the contradiction as energy belongs to you and surly refutes the fallacy, mankind singularly is the image of God - the Eagle as energy is not the same as human ... their flesh is not the same ?



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The image of our Creator is invisible so that means we are created invisible wavelengths of energy. Processed energy gives us illusions called flesh and this world.

No wavelength is the same as another so everything is different.

 

[theword]

It sounds like you're going with a definition of atheism that presumes a "belief" that no god exists. I've never understood it that way. My understanding is that atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god, which requires no proof.

You're actually saying the same thing, in other words, i.e.

A belief that no god exists
A lack of belief that a god does exist

They're not the same. There may be a god your there somewhere, but I've not yet been convinced. I just don't believe in any of the gods so far proposed. See the difference?

Don't worry. You will be convinced that our Creator exists in the next age with your new bodies that won't contain information to deceive you of who your invisible existence is within His mind

 

[theword]

Not that I'm one to criticize the almighty, but what's the point of subjecting humanity to this lie that we call life just to kill us all so that we can learn the truth? Wouldn't it be easier (and far more humane and just) to skip the middleman and just let us in on the truth from the beginning and save humanity all the pain and torment that this lie inflicts on us?

We live in the mind of God as His thoughts spoken into existence as wavelengths of energy. In order for us to experience our flesh and the world we live in, this energy has to be processed through each invisible created being's ( humans and animals ) processor ( brain ) to give us the illusions we see, hear, taste, smell, touch and emotionally feel. We call these illusions and experiences with them as "life".

God created His invisible servant first called "The Word of God" and through this Word, He spoke everything else from His planned thoughts into existence as invisible wavelegths of energy. So God and His thoughts are the only thing that's real. The world we see is only processed energy called visions and dreams ( illusions ) that seem to be real to us created "beings" but to our Creator, there only illusions.

In order to connect with this invisible servant of God ( The Word, or Christ ) He had to have a contrast of thoughts called Truth and Lies. By making a false world out of lies where all flesh was born into (Old Covenant ), He was able to connect with His invisible servant ( Christ ) within His mind where His invisible creation exists. He does this connection with thoughts directly from our created existence called The Word of God, or Christ. His first thoughts of Truth gives us saints and prophets "faith", which means we know who our invisible God is without having to see Him. From that point on, God begins His work in His mind to change the information that makes up our flesh to stop the lies of this world that caused us to focus on it rather than our true created existence in the mind of God. In other words, God takes us saints through the "born of God" experience to open up His mind for us to learn who we are in Him. He actually puts the words from our vocabularies in His mind for us to write or speak testimonies. Our faith remains forever, even after the deception called "death of the flesh".

If none of us are real then I have to wonder to whom are you writing?

Our Creator and His thoughts without deception is reality and to whom I am writing. This means I'm writing to your true spirit, not the flesh that deceives you. This world and our flesh was made from thoughts of delusion that He plans on destroying soon.

 

[theword]

word honey, You took so long to get here, God gave your job to Jesus.

There are thousands of us saints who spoke from the invisible Christ that no man can ever see. Jesus happened to be the first saint to testify to our created existence.

Now He's here to end this age.

 

[bianco]

Why do atheists and Christians need proof for their beliefs.

Christians need words in a book, a man named Jesus, mother Mary, Joseph Smith, the JW's Watchtower, virgin births, bodily resurrections, communion, water baptisms, buildings, altars, choirs, pews, pastors, priests, governing entities ( Vatican and man's laws ), gold, silver, wood, homes, schools, and many other false idols to help them with their belief.

Atheists need Christian false gods to determine their belief that there is no Creator because atheists can see that these false gods are false and nothing else.

If man was never used by our Creator to build things with his hands, what would man worship today? Remember, there wouldn't be any Christianity today if it wasn't for all the buildings, Bibles, golden altars, statues of deity, choirs, and religious ideas handed down from the early religious men of Babylon, Persia-Medes, Greek and Roman Empires.

Man would be like the native Americans were before Christianity took control of their lands and stole all their gold, silver and other materials to build their false gods with.

Do you think there were any atheist native Americans who didn't believe in a Creator who gave them land, food and water to drink every day?

Their could well have been.

Christians need words in a book, a man named Jesus, mother Mary, Joseph Smith, the JW's Watchtower, virgin births, bodily resurrections, communion, water baptisms, buildings, altars, choirs, pews, pastors, priests, governing entities ( Vatican and man's laws ), gold, silver, wood, homes, schools, and many other false idols to help them with their belief.

They have those things because Jesus was given to them...then the things/services evolved.

What about a nice Christian hymn...in a building, from a book, 'altars, choirs, pews, pastors. governing entities' etc...............and not a false idol in sight;

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwvpTl88jwI]the royal wedding- guide me O thou great redeemer - YouTube[/ame]

 

[dblack]

You're actually saying the same thing, in other words, i.e.

A belief that no god exists
A lack of belief that a god does exist

They're not the same. There may be a god your there somewhere, but I've not yet been convinced. I just don't believe in any of the gods so far proposed. See the difference?

Don't worry. You will be convinced that our Creator exists in the next age with your new bodies that won't contain information to deceive you of who your invisible existence is within His mind

Alrighty then.

 

[theword]

Why do atheists and Christians need proof for their beliefs.

Christians need words in a book, a man named Jesus, mother Mary, Joseph Smith, the JW's Watchtower, virgin births, bodily resurrections, communion, water baptisms, buildings, altars, choirs, pews, pastors, priests, governing entities ( Vatican and man's laws ), gold, silver, wood, homes, schools, and many other false idols to help them with their belief.

Atheists need Christian false gods to determine their belief that there is no Creator because atheists can see that these false gods are false and nothing else.

If man was never used by our Creator to build things with his hands, what would man worship today? Remember, there wouldn't be any Christianity today if it wasn't for all the buildings, Bibles, golden altars, statues of deity, choirs, and religious ideas handed down from the early religious men of Babylon, Persia-Medes, Greek and Roman Empires.

Man would be like the native Americans were before Christianity took control of their lands and stole all their gold, silver and other materials to build their false gods with.

Do you think there were any atheist native Americans who didn't believe in a Creator who gave them land, food and water to drink every day?

Their could well have been.

Christians need words in a book, a man named Jesus, mother Mary, Joseph Smith, the JW's Watchtower, virgin births, bodily resurrections, communion, water baptisms, buildings, altars, choirs, pews, pastors, priests, governing entities ( Vatican and man's laws ), gold, silver, wood, homes, schools, and many other false idols to help them with their belief.

They have those things because Jesus was given to them...then the things/services evolved.

What about a nice Christian hymn...in a building, from a book, 'altars, choirs, pews, pastors. governing entities' etc...............and not a false idol in sight;

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwvpTl88jwI]the royal wedding- guide me O thou great redeemer - YouTube[/ame]

Everything in this world is false and will be burned up soon by the fire of God. There won't be any Christianity, Jesus, choirs, buldings, cars, trains, homes, or any other false idols in Paradise, which is the New Earth we'll experience in the next age.

 

[BreezeWood]

theword: Everything in this world is false and will be burned up soon by the fire of God. There won't be any Christianity, Jesus, choirs, buldings, cars, trains, homes, or any other false idols in Paradise, which is the New Earth we'll experience in the next age.

Everything in this world is false and will be burned up soon by the fire of God.


if you had conquered Evil, for Good to become sinless you would know why the above makes no sense.

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[theword]

theword: Everything in this world is false and will be burned up soon by the fire of God. There won't be any Christianity, Jesus, choirs, buldings, cars, trains, homes, or any other false idols in Paradise, which is the New Earth we'll experience in the next age.

Everything in this world is false and will be burned up soon by the fire of God.


if you had conquered Evil, for Good to become sinless you would know why the above makes no sense.

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The "tree of the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL" is God's delusion to keep His people deceived during this age while He draws out His invisible servant in the flesh of the prophets and us saints.

Christians are looking for "GOOD" and "EVIL" people and can't see the "Tree of LIFE", which is the same thing as the invisible "CHRIST".

The definition of good and evil is different for every person on this planet so these words have no Truth in them. The Truth never changes and that's where our spirit comes from. Our flesh comes from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil".

 

[lizzie]

Why do atheists and Christians need proof for their beliefs.

Christians need words in a book, a man named Jesus, mother Mary, Joseph Smith, the JW's Watchtower, virgin births, bodily resurrections, communion, water baptisms, buildings, altars, choirs, pews, pastors, priests, governing entities ( Vatican and man's laws ), gold, silver, wood, homes, schools, and many other false idols to help them with their belief.

Atheists need Christian false gods to determine their belief that there is no Creator because atheists can see that these false gods are false and nothing else.

If man was never used by our Creator to build things with his hands, what would man worship today? Remember, there wouldn't be any Christianity today if it wasn't for all the buildings, Bibles, golden altars, statues of deity, choirs, and religious ideas handed down from the early religious men of Babylon, Persia-Medes, Greek and Roman Empires.

Man would be like the native Americans were before Christianity took control of their lands and stole all their gold, silver and other materials to build their false gods with.

Do you think there were any atheist native Americans who didn't believe in a Creator who gave them land, food and water to drink every day?

You seem to be confusing proof with symbols. The things that you list are proof of nothing at all. Religion is not something which needs proof, because it is a belief system. I am neither atheist nor Christian, and I don't seek proof of anything. If it could be proven, then it would be knowledge, and not religion.

As for the native americans, due to their culture, I highly doubt that they would have many, if any, atheists. Theirs was a culture in which daily life centered around surviving and living within nature as it was. They lived highly symbolic lives, and participated in many rituals, whether the occasion was one of going on raids, or to war, or simply the rituals of everyday life. I have known many current-day NA's, and to this day, I haven't yet met one who is atheist (or at least one who will admit to it). They were highly tribal, but the tribes themselves were very cohesive.

 

[BreezeWood]

theword: Everything in this world is false and will be burned up soon by the fire of God. There won't be any Christianity, Jesus, choirs, buldings, cars, trains, homes, or any other false idols in Paradise, which is the New Earth we'll experience in the next age.

Everything in this world is false and will be burned up soon by the fire of God.


if you had conquered Evil, for Good to become sinless you would know why the above makes no sense.

.

The "tree of the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL" is God's delusion to keep His people deceived during this age while He draws out His invisible servant in the flesh of the prophets and us saints.

Christians are looking for "GOOD" and "EVIL" people and can't see the "Tree of LIFE", which is the same thing as the invisible "CHRIST".

The definition of good and evil is different for every person on this planet so these words have no Truth in them. The Truth never changes and that's where our spirit comes from. Our flesh comes from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil".

The definition of good and evil is different for every person on this planet so these words have no Truth in them.



somewhere theword has lost the reason there is a God ... or will be one if only manufactured whether believed in or not, called laws.

Purity is the Remission to the OuterWorld of the Everlasting, it is the purity (God) that is the gate keeper, Judgement - Satan is dead, all hail God.


God is the Truth of Good and Evil - figure it out or perish.

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[theword]

Why do atheists and Christians need proof for their beliefs.

Christians need words in a book, a man named Jesus, mother Mary, Joseph Smith, the JW's Watchtower, virgin births, bodily resurrections, communion, water baptisms, buildings, altars, choirs, pews, pastors, priests, governing entities ( Vatican and man's laws ), gold, silver, wood, homes, schools, and many other false idols to help them with their belief.

Atheists need Christian false gods to determine their belief that there is no Creator because atheists can see that these false gods are false and nothing else.

If man was never used by our Creator to build things with his hands, what would man worship today? Remember, there wouldn't be any Christianity today if it wasn't for all the buildings, Bibles, golden altars, statues of deity, choirs, and religious ideas handed down from the early religious men of Babylon, Persia-Medes, Greek and Roman Empires.

Man would be like the native Americans were before Christianity took control of their lands and stole all their gold, silver and other materials to build their false gods with.

Do you think there were any atheist native Americans who didn't believe in a Creator who gave them land, food and water to drink every day?

You seem to be confusing proof with symbols. The things that you list are proof of nothing at all. Religion is not something which needs proof, because it is a belief system. I am neither atheist nor Christian, and I don't seek proof of anything. If it could be proven, then it would be knowledge, and not religion.

As for the native americans, due to their culture, I highly doubt that they would have many, if any, atheists. Theirs was a culture in which daily life centered around surviving and living within nature as it was. They lived highly symbolic lives, and participated in many rituals, whether the occasion was one of going on raids, or to war, or simply the rituals of everyday life. I have known many current-day NA's, and to this day, I haven't yet met one who is atheist (or at least one who will admit to it). They were highly tribal, but the tribes themselves were very cohesive.

Most people in this forum cannot understand the invisible heavenly things I write and speak from so this post was a flesh idea to get people to respond to it. I agree with your comments about the native Americans because I know many of them myself. I do know that religious ideas came from our Creator through His "beast", which was His plan to get His people to build things that He created within His mind but at the same time, keep them in a very strong delusion to make them believe that this world illusion was real.

So religious people need evidence. The first evidence was to observe the stars and star constellations to get building shapes. Then they designed buildings according to the "beast" within their minds. They also received religious stories in their minds through God's "beast" to go along with their false gods ( buildings ). Cities were built with all their false gods and then came governments to make up new rules that were totally against the laws of our Creator.

As I said, Atheists and Theists need proof for their belief systems going all the way back to when the "beast" of our Creator had them start building things.

 

[theword]

Everything in this world is false and will be burned up soon by the fire of God.


if you had conquered Evil, for Good to become sinless you would know why the above makes no sense.

.

The "tree of the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL" is God's delusion to keep His people deceived during this age while He draws out His invisible servant in the flesh of the prophets and us saints.

Christians are looking for "GOOD" and "EVIL" people and can't see the "Tree of LIFE", which is the same thing as the invisible "CHRIST".

The definition of good and evil is different for every person on this planet so these words have no Truth in them. The Truth never changes and that's where our spirit comes from. Our flesh comes from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil".

The definition of good and evil is different for every person on this planet so these words have no Truth in them.



somewhere theword has lost the reason there is a God ... or will be one if only manufactured whether believed in or not, called laws.

Purity is the Remission to the OuterWorld of the Everlasting, it is the purity (God) that is the gate keeper, Judgement - Satan is dead, all hail God.


God is the Truth of Good and Evil - figure it out or perish.

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Sinners never got the knowledge of God that us saints did to understand anything we testify to unless God has made them "believers" of our gospel, which is the created voice of God, known as the "Word of God" or "Christ".

You're just a sinner who is totally lost in this world but don't worry. God has planned the salvation of ALL His people, not just lying Christians who have no idea who He is.