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No, it is YOU who should educate yourself. Hydrogen is plentiful. Lithium, samarium, and all of the other rare earth's to make EV's are NOT.
Hence the name RARE EARTHS!
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Toyota, Yamaha working on hydrogen-burning V8 engine
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No, it is YOU who should educate yourself. Hydrogen is plentiful. Lithium, samarium, and all of the other rare earth's to make EV's are NOT.
Hence the name RARE EARTHS!
DURRRRRR
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Maybe by weight. By volume it's paltry.
Clearly science was not a good subject for you.
You are 24yrs. old and don't know what hydrogen is? WOW.gasoline or diesel?
toobfreak
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By volume? Don't make me laugh! Volume is relative to pressure, so effectively meaningless. Weight is the constant by which any metric must be measured here because weight directly relates to QUANTITY of matter carried, thus load, not the STATE of that matter.Maybe by weight. By volume it's paltry.
You must have learned physics off the back of a box of Corn Pops.
Good luck with your hydrogen fuel cell. You will need it.You are 24yrs. old and don't know what hydrogen is? WOW.
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By volume? Don't make me laugh! Volume is relative to pressure, so effectively meaningless. Weight is the constant by which any metric must be measured here because weight directly relates to QUANTITY of matter carried, thus load, not the STATE of that matter.
You must have learned physics off the back of a box of Corn Pops.
Ummmm. Nooo.....physics clearly passed multiple feet over his tiny little brain.
It never touched him!
toobfreak
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It is just the most abundant element in the universe!No, it is YOU who should educate yourself. Hydrogen is plentiful.
Not to mention that the mining of all these things (toxic metals) then the subsequent processing of their waste as batteries get old and die is an environmental disaster in the making.Lithium, samarium, and all of the other rare earth's to make EV's are NOT. Hence the name RARE EARTHS!
But China welcomes us to try!
You don't know the difference between gas, diesel, and hydrogen but, you "know" about fuel cells? WOW you're funny.Good luck with your hydrogen fuel cell. You will need it.
Not as funny as you but thank you anyway.You don't know the difference between gas, diesel, and hydrogen but, you "know" about fuel cells? WOW you're funny.
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It is just the most abundant element in the universe!
Not to mention that the mining of all these things (toxic metals) then the subsequent processing of their waste as batteries get old and die is an environmental disaster in the making.
But China welcomes us to try!
No shit. The level of scientific ignorance exhibited by these morons is astonishing. H has many problems to work out. There is no doubt about that. But the problems CAN be worked out.
There is no work around for lack of raw materials.
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toobfreak
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Ummmm. Nooo.....physics clearly passed multiple feet over his tiny little brain. It never touched him!
When people make such specious arguments as trying to discredit hydrogen technology by trying to argue one cubic foot gasoline liquid to one cubic foot hydrogen gas at sea level pressure at say 76°F, I know they are either deliberately being obtuse and misleading, or are just truly clueless.
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Hydrogen electrolysis from water requires far more energy to produce than it yields as a motor fuel. The energy density of hydrogen is in the basement when compared to anything else.
By weight/mass, hydrogen is actually very good as far as energy density. That's a major reason why it was used as fuel for the Saturn V rockets that carried our men to the Moon.
By volume, it's very poor, and it is very difficult to safely store very much hydrogen, especially on the scale of a vehicle. The Saturn V rockets used in it liquid form; to put it in that form required cooling it to an extremely-low temperature, and it had to be pumped into the rocket just before launch, and once fueled, the rocket had to be launched almost immediately. Those of us old enough to remember can remember the paradoxical images of the rocket taking off on a pillar of fire, with ice falling off of it.
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What the fuck are you blabbering about. The energy density of hydrogen is three times that of gasoline you ignorant clod.
It depends on whether you are going by weight or by volume.
It's very good by weight. Very poor by volume. Remember, hydrogen is the least dense of all elements, the least dense of all known matter.
Of course hydrogen is plentiful, you ignorant twit.No, it is YOU who should educate yourself. Hydrogen is plentiful. Lithium, samarium, and all of the other rare earth's to make EV's are NOT.
Can you get it through your empty skull that it's usually not produced by green energy?
Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
Think next time before your knee jerks!
Bob Blaylock
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No, it is YOU who should educate yourself. Hydrogen is plentiful. Lithium, samarium, and all of the other rare earth's to make EV's are NOT.
Hence the name RARE EARTHS!
DURRRRRR
Hydrogen is the most common element, but it is rarely found in free form. It's found combined with other elements, in forms where you need to expend more energy to separate it from those other elements than you can get back by burning it.
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That seems to be the biggest downside to hydrogen engines. How do you safely fuel and store the explosive hydrogen.What could possibly go wrong?
Bob Blaylock
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By volume? Don't make me laugh! Volume is relative to pressure, so effectively meaningless. Weight is the constant by which any metric must be measured here because weight directly relates to QUANTITY of matter carried, thus load, not the STATE of that matter.
You must have learned physics off the back of a box of Corn Pops.
Some compounds that are gas at standard temperature and pressure can be liquified under moderate pressure. Propane, for example.
Not hydrogen. It takes some drastic extremes of cold and/or pressure to liquify hydrogen, which cannot safely or feasibly be applied on the scale of a vehicle's fuel tank.
toobfreak
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LOL! That's funny.
In the universe, you'll see it tops the list:
Abundance of the chemical elements - Wikipedia
Even in the Earth's crust, it is tenth most plentiful.
Abundance of elements in Earth's crust - Wikipedia
Add to that it readily forms a single covalent bond with most nonmetallic elements, forming compounds such as water and nearly all organic compounds.
Hydrogen - Wikipedia
Toddsterpatriot
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In the universe, you'll see it tops the list:
Abundance of the chemical elements - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Even in the Earth's crust, it is tenth most plentiful.
Abundance of elements in Earth's crust - Wikipedia
Add to that it readily forms a single covalent bond with most nonmetallic elements, forming compounds such as water and nearly all organic compounds.
Hydrogen - Wikipedia
I know.
It's funny to say that's a plus.
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