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Yes you have the freedom to break the law...
We as a society have the right to arrest, convict and punish you for your act but you are free to act.
Yes you have the freedom to break the law...
We as a society have the right to arrest, convict and punish you for your act but you are free to act.
The individual has no obligation to society.
That is nonsense. Your entire life is built upon the shoulders of those who came before you. The words you type here are products of your society. The machine you type them on are a product of your society. Without society you are almost certainly dead. You are part of it, take advantage of it, suck off its teat, and it is not free.
The nonsense here is that you are giving society credit for the work of individuals.
An individual does have reciprocal obligations to his fellow wo/man and to the community in which he lives.
Sometimes it is difficult for people to admit/see that certain personal freedoms cause societal harm. Legalizing all drugs for instance, would be very detrimental to society.
Using force against people causes more harm to society. The drug addict causes harm to himself end becomes a burden on his family, but when his habit becomes illegal he resorts to stealing and robbing thereby harming hundreds of people. When he in incarcerated, he becomes a burden on the taxpayers.
The idea that the government can solve social problems by making them illegal is fallacious.
Not all drugs are created equal. Even if it was legal, people would still max out their credit cards to get it. Once they did that, they would steal. The decision to steal would just be delayed.
An individual does have reciprocal obligations to his fellow wo/man and to the community in which he lives.
No he doesn't.
A person does not have to do anything for anyone unless he chooses to.
Sometimes it is difficult for people to admit/see that certain personal freedoms cause societal harm. Legalizing all drugs for instance, would be very detrimental to society.
An individual does have reciprocal obligations to his fellow wo/man and to the community in which he lives.
No he doesn't.
A person does not have to do anything for anyone unless he chooses to.
If that makes you feel better, then please continue with your delusion. I mean while you continue to use the roads,
electrical sytems,
I have my own well and do not use town waterwater,
Both which I pay forgas, clothing
, language,
None of those things are given to me by so called "society"and pretty much everything in your life you use to stay alive - all the product of that society you owe nothing to
paid for by pieces of paper which have value only because that society says it does. You are an independent individual standing on your own!
No he doesn't.
A person does not have to do anything for anyone unless he chooses to.
If that makes you feel better, then please continue with your delusion. I mean while you continue to use the roads,
Which i pay for via my taxes
Which I pay for via my electric bill and taxes
I have my own well and do not use town water
Both which I pay for
Language? really? What do I owe people for language? What do I have to do for other people because i speak the same language?
None of those things are given to me by so called "society"and pretty much everything in your life you use to stay alive - all the product of that society you owe nothing to
paid for by pieces of paper which have value only because that society says it does. You are an independent individual standing on your own!
Living by the rules of a society does not obligate one to that society. I have absolutely no obligation to "society" other than to obey the laws. I have absolutely no obligation to do anything or give anything to anyone and they have no obligation to me.
Ah..."Society" of by and for compulsion, at gunpoint if necessary...How neanderthal.If that makes you feel better, then please continue with your delusion. I mean while you continue to use the roads,
Which i pay for via my taxes
Which I pay for via my electric bill and taxes
I have my own well and do not use town water
Both which I pay for
Language? really? What do I owe people for language? What do I have to do for other people because i speak the same language?
None of those things are given to me by so called "society"
paid for by pieces of paper which have value only because that society says it does. You are an independent individual standing on your own!
Living by the rules of a society does not obligate one to that society. I have absolutely no obligation to "society" other than to obey the laws. I have absolutely no obligation to do anything or give anything to anyone and they have no obligation to me.
Actually, it does obligate you whether you wish to admit it or not. Your are not forced to give more than the law requires you to give, but the law does require you to give. You don't get to live here for free. You obey the laws either by choice or by force, but you are obligated to obey them nonetheless. You talk about paying for things, but how do you pay for them if not through the forms allowed you by society?
Without society you are just a hairless ape digging for grubs and trying to keep from getting eaten. Anything beyond that status you owe to society. If need be, you owe your life to society. You can either accept that reality or you can have it forced upon you. Either way comes out the same.
Quantify "society", Mr. Forgot-it-all."There is no such thing as society. There are only individuals"
said the Objectivist Libertarian in the language invented by no single individual but that was developed over time though the intercourse of the millions of individuals that comprised that society that he believed did not exist.
If that makes you feel better, then please continue with your delusion. I mean while you continue to use the roads,
Which i pay for via my taxes
Which I pay for via my electric bill and taxes
I have my own well and do not use town water
Both which I pay for
Language? really? What do I owe people for language? What do I have to do for other people because i speak the same language?
None of those things are given to me by so called "society"
paid for by pieces of paper which have value only because that society says it does. You are an independent individual standing on your own!
Living by the rules of a society does not obligate one to that society. I have absolutely no obligation to "society" other than to obey the laws. I have absolutely no obligation to do anything or give anything to anyone and they have no obligation to me.
Actually, it does obligate you whether you wish to admit it or not. Your are not forced to give more than the law requires you to give, but the law does require you to give. You don't get to live here for free. You obey the laws either by choice or by force, but you are obligated to obey them nonetheless. You talk about paying for things, but how do you pay for them if not through the forms allowed you by society?
Without society you are just a hairless ape digging for grubs and trying to keep from getting eaten. Anything beyond that status you owe to society. If need be, you owe your life to society. You can either accept that reality or you can have it forced upon you. Either way comes out the same.
What is the size of this "society"?...What is its weight?...What color is it?...Does it have a smell?...Where can I find it, so I can inquire if what you and others claim about it is true or not?Quantify "society", Mr. Forgot-it-all."There is no such thing as society. There are only individuals"
said the Objectivist Libertarian in the language invented by no single individual but that was developed over time though the intercourse of the millions of individuals that comprised that society that he believed did not exist.
Can I put it in a wheelbarrow?...A pickup truck?...A semi?...A friggin' aircraft carrier?
Ah..."Society" of by and for compulsion, at gunpoint if necessary...How neanderthal.Which i pay for via my taxes
Which I pay for via my electric bill and taxes
I have my own well and do not use town water
Both which I pay for
Language? really? What do I owe people for language? What do I have to do for other people because i speak the same language?
None of those things are given to me by so called "society"
Living by the rules of a society does not obligate one to that society. I have absolutely no obligation to "society" other than to obey the laws. I have absolutely no obligation to do anything or give anything to anyone and they have no obligation to me.
Actually, it does obligate you whether you wish to admit it or not. Your are not forced to give more than the law requires you to give, but the law does require you to give. You don't get to live here for free. You obey the laws either by choice or by force, but you are obligated to obey them nonetheless. You talk about paying for things, but how do you pay for them if not through the forms allowed you by society?
Without society you are just a hairless ape digging for grubs and trying to keep from getting eaten. Anything beyond that status you owe to society. If need be, you owe your life to society. You can either accept that reality or you can have it forced upon you. Either way comes out the same.
Sounds like a twisted religious cult more than anything else.
Oh, so you're defining being human as bullying anyone and everyone into going along with your notion of what constitutes this "society" thingy.....Might as well stick with the neanderthal thing, if it's workin' for ya.Ah..."Society" of by and for compulsion, at gunpoint if necessary...How neanderthal.Actually, it does obligate you whether you wish to admit it or not. Your are not forced to give more than the law requires you to give, but the law does require you to give. You don't get to live here for free. You obey the laws either by choice or by force, but you are obligated to obey them nonetheless. You talk about paying for things, but how do you pay for them if not through the forms allowed you by society?
Without society you are just a hairless ape digging for grubs and trying to keep from getting eaten. Anything beyond that status you owe to society. If need be, you owe your life to society. You can either accept that reality or you can have it forced upon you. Either way comes out the same.
Sounds like a twisted religious cult more than anything else.
No. Just human. You can believe otherwise if you please. You can believe you can fly by flapping your arms if you please. But reality is reality, whether you please or not.
Which i pay for via my taxes
Which I pay for via my electric bill and taxes
I have my own well and do not use town water
Both which I pay for
Language? really? What do I owe people for language? What do I have to do for other people because i speak the same language?
None of those things are given to me by so called "society"
Living by the rules of a society does not obligate one to that society. I have absolutely no obligation to "society" other than to obey the laws. I have absolutely no obligation to do anything or give anything to anyone and they have no obligation to me.
Actually, it does obligate you whether you wish to admit it or not. Your are not forced to give more than the law requires you to give, but the law does require you to give. You don't get to live here for free. You obey the laws either by choice or by force, but you are obligated to obey them nonetheless. You talk about paying for things, but how do you pay for them if not through the forms allowed you by society?
There are still other ways to pay for things. I still barter for some things. I plow for friends who hunt in exchange for fresh game meat. I barter with some people for contracting services like carpentry or plumbing.
"Society" has nothing to do with that.
And As i said the only obligation I have is to obey the law. Period.
Without society you are just a hairless ape digging for grubs and trying to keep from getting eaten. Anything beyond that status you owe to society. If need be, you owe your life to society. You can either accept that reality or you can have it forced upon you. Either way comes out the same.
I owe nothing to anyone. Anything I got from "society" was paid for by the taxes I pay as required by law. I will go so far as to say I pay far more in taxes than I receive in services from "society".
Oh, so you're defining being human as bullying anyone and everyone into going along with your notion of what constitutes this "society" thingy.....Might as well stick with the neanderthal thing, if it's workin' for ya.Ah..."Society" of by and for compulsion, at gunpoint if necessary...How neanderthal.
Sounds like a twisted religious cult more than anything else.
No. Just human. You can believe otherwise if you please. You can believe you can fly by flapping your arms if you please. But reality is reality, whether you please or not.
