Trump also goes after Conservative pollster Frank Luntz

[Two Thumbs]

the more trump doesn't act like the others, the more I think he's going to win.

think about it

you have a group of people that all act alike and they each take turns fucking the country over

Do you want to pick someone out of that crowd to lead the country or do you want to go with the other guy?


If this keeps up, it's going to be Trump v Bernie

Sanders is running as a Socialist INSIDE the democrat party.
Trump is running as a Independent INSIDE the republican party.

BOTH inside the party picks are done. Hillary and Jeb.

bernie is just openly socialist

there's not difference between him and the rest of the dnc

 

[Two Thumbs]

the more trump doesn't act like the others, the more I think he's going to win.

think about it

you have a group of people that all act alike and they each take turns fucking the country over

Do you want to pick someone out of that crowd to lead the country or do you want to go with the other guy?


If this keeps up, it's going to be Trump v Bernie

And Bernie will win!

do you want a freedom hating socialist to win?

if so, lease point out the countries that thrive with socialism.

fyi; capitalism and freedom made America great, not the government

 

[DarkFury]

the more trump doesn't act like the others, the more I think he's going to win.

think about it

you have a group of people that all act alike and they each take turns fucking the country over

Do you want to pick someone out of that crowd to lead the country or do you want to go with the other guy?


If this keeps up, it's going to be Trump v Bernie

Sanders is running as a Socialist INSIDE the democrat party.
Trump is running as a Independent INSIDE the republican party.

BOTH inside the party picks are done. Hillary and Jeb.

bernie is just openly socialist

there's not difference between him and the rest of the dnc

I beg to differ, there is a slight one. Democrats would have to take the moniker "Socialist" in PUBLIC. Hence forth to be known as the "Socialist" party. Something they have denied in the past but would have to publicly embrace.

 

[Two Thumbs]

the more trump doesn't act like the others, the more I think he's going to win.

think about it

you have a group of people that all act alike and they each take turns fucking the country over

Do you want to pick someone out of that crowd to lead the country or do you want to go with the other guy?


If this keeps up, it's going to be Trump v Bernie

Sanders is running as a Socialist INSIDE the democrat party.
Trump is running as a Independent INSIDE the republican party.

BOTH inside the party picks are done. Hillary and Jeb.

bernie is just openly socialist

there's not difference between him and the rest of the dnc

I beg to differ, there is a slight one. Democrats would have to take the moniker "Socialist" in PUBLIC. Hence forth to be known as the "Socialist" party. Something they have denied in the past but would have to publicly embrace.

so the difference between a socialist and a dem is honesty.

 

[DarkFury]

the more trump doesn't act like the others, the more I think he's going to win.

think about it

you have a group of people that all act alike and they each take turns fucking the country over

Do you want to pick someone out of that crowd to lead the country or do you want to go with the other guy?


If this keeps up, it's going to be Trump v Bernie

Sanders is running as a Socialist INSIDE the democrat party.
Trump is running as a Independent INSIDE the republican party.

BOTH inside the party picks are done. Hillary and Jeb.

bernie is just openly socialist

there's not difference between him and the rest of the dnc

I beg to differ, there is a slight one. Democrats would have to take the moniker "Socialist" in PUBLIC. Hence forth to be known as the "Socialist" party. Something they have denied in the past but would have to publicly embrace.

so the difference between a socialist and a dem is honesty.

Bernie IS honest about being a socialist. I don't like his politics but his honesty however mistaken is far more upfront and honest then Clinton.

 

[rightwinger]

Not only does he have an oversized ego, he's also got a whole lot of money, so if the GOP doesn't pick him, it would be easy for him to switch over to Independent and keep running his campaign.

That would almost surely result in a definite win for the Democrats.

You know... I am not so sure at this point.

I think Trump would almost certainly not run as a third party candidate, especially if another conservative wins the nomination. But if Trump wins the GOP nomination, I can see some idiot like Kasich going 3rd party to upset Trump. I think THAT is the more likely 3rd party scenario.

Now... Let's say that the GOP convention is a "brokered" convention and we roll into it without knowing for sure WHO the candidate will be, Trump or say... Jeb Bush? The smoke-filled backroom deals will be made and Trump, even though he has the most delegates, gets nuzzled out for Jeb as the nominee. In THAT scenario, you might very well see a Trump 3rd party candidacy... AND... He will WIN!

I think, under the above described scenario, you would get to witness the demise of a political party. Trump would pull not only the majority of republican votes, he would also pull a good many democrat votes.. He almost certainly WILL pull democrat votes, regardless. Trump would NOT have to have a majority to win... several presidents, including Bill Clinton, were elected president without a majority. He would finish ahead of Hillary and Jeb would be sucking hind teat.

Trump is not a conservative...he is a carpetbagger

He is concerned with the attention he can get.....he doesn't give a shit about veterans or immigrants
He just knows what buttons to push

How do you know he doesn't care about veterans?

Trump has never gone out of his way to hire veterans, he has not fought for veteran issues or benefits.
None of his top executives are veterans

After two weeks, Trump thinks he has done more for veterans than McCain

 

[DarkFury]

Not only does he have an oversized ego, he's also got a whole lot of money, so if the GOP doesn't pick him, it would be easy for him to switch over to Independent and keep running his campaign.

That would almost surely result in a definite win for the Democrats.

You know... I am not so sure at this point.

I think Trump would almost certainly not run as a third party candidate, especially if another conservative wins the nomination. But if Trump wins the GOP nomination, I can see some idiot like Kasich going 3rd party to upset Trump. I think THAT is the more likely 3rd party scenario.

Now... Let's say that the GOP convention is a "brokered" convention and we roll into it without knowing for sure WHO the candidate will be, Trump or say... Jeb Bush? The smoke-filled backroom deals will be made and Trump, even though he has the most delegates, gets nuzzled out for Jeb as the nominee. In THAT scenario, you might very well see a Trump 3rd party candidacy... AND... He will WIN!

I think, under the above described scenario, you would get to witness the demise of a political party. Trump would pull not only the majority of republican votes, he would also pull a good many democrat votes.. He almost certainly WILL pull democrat votes, regardless. Trump would NOT have to have a majority to win... several presidents, including Bill Clinton, were elected president without a majority. He would finish ahead of Hillary and Jeb would be sucking hind teat.

Trump is not a conservative...he is a carpetbagger

He is concerned with the attention he can get.....he doesn't give a shit about veterans or immigrants
He just knows what buttons to push

How do you know he doesn't care about veterans?

Trump has never gone out of his way to hire veterans, he has not fought for veteran issues or benefits.
None of his top executives are veterans

After two weeks, Trump thinks he has done more for veterans than McCain

"
McGowan confirmed his organization has turned to Trump several times over the years. In 1995, the 50th anniversary of the end of WWII, the group asked for the Donald’s support for their parade. Trump gave the group $175,000 and allowed organizers to use his helicopter to get around the different parts of the city quickly. “He’s like a guy from the corner who made out well,” says McGowan who added the organization honored Trump in 2005 as their Friend of the Year.

McGowan recalled a particular experience a few years back, a staff sergeant had just retired after 10 years of service, wanted to see New York but was down on his luck. McGowan called Trump who gave the veteran a tour of Trump Tower, took him for lunch and then handed him a check for $10,000 to jump start his education."
Leader of New York Veterans Group Defends Donald Trump - ABC News

 

[BlueGin]

Luntz is a Conservative pollster who....

You have ANY evidence he is personally a Conservative? Okay, then shut the fuck up!

It was more than clear to me that Fox was determined to sabotage Trump in any way possible last night. They had Meygan attacking him, they had Charles Krauthammer proclaim we had witnessed the "implosion of Trump", and we had Luntz with his phony "focus group." This morning, we find that THREE national surveys showing Trump TROUNCED everyone. Wasn't even close!

Meygan is at it again today with her hand picked panel complete with offended high maint blondes .

 

[Boss]

AND Trump explained this... These "investors" weren't innocent little church widows... they were Big Boys who were not necessarily all that nice... they knew the risks and took them willingly... Trump didn't make them do it.

Dead right. It's not Trump's fault they thought he had integrity.

edit...I've seen only that he has filed commercial bankruptcy four times. Is that not correct?

Had nothing to do with his integrity. He did nothing unethical or illegal. It was a business deal, people invested, he got out while the gettin' was good, they remained and lost their ass... Not his fault. Not his concern.

His companies have used the finance laws to restructure debt several times... is that what you're yammering about? Again... nothing unethical or illegal in doing that... it's why we passed the law to allow it. Jeesh!

He has never filed personal bankruptcy.

 

[Jackson]

Not only does he have an oversized ego, he's also got a whole lot of money, so if the GOP doesn't pick him, it would be easy for him to switch over to Independent and keep running his campaign.

That would almost surely result in a definite win for the Democrats.

You know... I am not so sure at this point.

I think Trump would almost certainly not run as a third party candidate, especially if another conservative wins the nomination. But if Trump wins the GOP nomination, I can see some idiot like Kasich going 3rd party to upset Trump. I think THAT is the more likely 3rd party scenario.

Now... Let's say that the GOP convention is a "brokered" convention and we roll into it without knowing for sure WHO the candidate will be, Trump or say... Jeb Bush? The smoke-filled backroom deals will be made and Trump, even though he has the most delegates, gets nuzzled out for Jeb as the nominee. In THAT scenario, you might very well see a Trump 3rd party candidacy... AND... He will WIN!

I think, under the above described scenario, you would get to witness the demise of a political party. Trump would pull not only the majority of republican votes, he would also pull a good many democrat votes.. He almost certainly WILL pull democrat votes, regardless. Trump would NOT have to have a majority to win... several presidents, including Bill Clinton, were elected president without a majority. He would finish ahead of Hillary and Jeb would be sucking hind teat.

Trump is not a conservative...he is a carpetbagger

He is concerned with the attention he can get.....he doesn't give a shit about veterans or immigrants
He just knows what buttons to push

How do you know he doesn't care about veterans?

Trump has never gone out of his way to hire veterans, he has not fought for veteran issues or benefits.
None of his top executives are veterans

After two weeks, Trump thinks he has done more for veterans than McCain

How do you know his executives haven't served?

 

[boilermaker55]

It strikes as funny how all the neo-cons have suddenly turned on faux now. And the neo-cons are now kneeling at the altar of 'the donald."
Money always wins with them.

 

[Martin Hauser]

Luntz is a Conservative pollster who....

You have ANY evidence he is personally a Conservative? Okay, then shut the fuck up!

It was more than clear to me that Fox was determined to sabotage Trump in any way possible last night. They had Meygan attacking him, they had Charles Krauthammer proclaim we had witnessed the "implosion of Trump", and we had Luntz with his phony "focus group." This morning, we find that THREE national surveys showing Trump TROUNCED everyone. Wasn't even close!

Meygan is at it again today with her hand picked panel complete with offended high maint blondes .

 

[Boss]

It strikes as funny how all the neo-cons have suddenly turned on faux now. And the neo-cons are now kneeling at the altar of 'the donald."
Money always wins with them.

Poster obviously has NO idea what "neo-cons" are.

 

[amrchaos]

Investors trusted Trump!!

and lost billions!!

AND Trump explained this... These "investors" weren't innocent little church widows... they were Big Boys who were not necessarily all that nice... they knew the risks and took them willingly... Trump didn't make them do it. It's funny how investors are the worst creatures on the planet when making billions, but the most unfortunate and disadvantaged victims when they lose billions.

Regardless if they are saints or demons, they trusted Trump and lost.

By the way, we do not know if all of them are as Trump described them. Some of them could be good people that lost. Not all investors are the same, some are greedy, others are just building a nest egg for retirement.

 

[Martin Hauser]

Luntz is a Conservative pollster who....

You have ANY evidence he is personally a Conservative? Okay, then shut the fuck up!

It was more than clear to me that Fox was determined to sabotage Trump in any way possible last night. They had Meygan attacking him, they had Charles Krauthammer proclaim we had witnessed the "implosion of Trump", and we had Luntz with his phony "focus group." This morning, we find that THREE national surveys showing Trump TROUNCED everyone. Wasn't even close!

Meygan is at it again today with her hand picked panel complete with offended high maint blondes .

Luntz has done focus groups for Fox for several Presidential campaigns. Focus groups like these are only useful if people selected are at least stratified like the voting population. If so, and their answers are unprompted, they are interesting only for changes in positions in the focus group members. But only "interesting." Luntz's group reported a number of people who came in leaning towards Trump and the debate changed their minds. I have no idea of what he said to them before they respondedm and the actual first responses were done a bit before the tv showing. Online polls are fatally biased towards the right as one can see from the number of posters who so identify themselves. Numbers on such are posted in many forums.

A real national poll will have as close to randomly selected respondents as possible. Most have models of likely voters. They all usually are done by phone and use stratified samples based on their models. I'd bet a lot that the polls you've seen will, in little way, sbe in synch with the results of respected national polling organizations such as Gallup. You can see a number of the best polls on realclearpolitics.com and as of now, at seven o'clock Pacific time on Friday, national polls haven't been concluded. BTWs people often wonder why truly random samples aren't used, which would be much better and more accurate, and the answer is the money it would cost and the time to conduct them. It can take months, even in a local race. When someone isn't home, or doesn't answer the phone, in phone poll you just have to keep going back no matter how many times it takes or your results are biased to the extent that people who aren't home may have opinions that are different from those that are--e.g.long hour workers, people on cruises, etc. You can easily see how members of those two groups might differ on political affiliation. So the national polling institutions spend a lot of time and money refining how many of various groups will be in their sample.

 

[Mustang]

Donald Trump Wars With Fox News Megyn Kelly - NBC News

Immediately after the debate, a FOX News focus group led by pollster Frank Luntz featured former Trump supporters souring on the GOP frontrunner because of his demeanor on stage.

Both Trump and top adviser Michael Cohen slammed Luntz on social media Thursday night.

Here are some of the tweets:

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Luntz is a Conservative pollster who often does focus groups for debates, usually people who are also giving input through a keypad type of device thoughout the debate. Just a couple of weeks ago, Luntz did a focus group out of Iowa that just loved Trump and I don't remember Trump calling Luntz a "low class slob" back then.

I don't think that Donald Trump is grasping some of the most basics about debates and comportment.

And yes, comportment is important, at least for people who want to actually win elections.

Is there anyone Trump hasn't gone after at one point or another. His famous media feud with Rosie O'Donnell is a case in point. He's like a petulant child.

The reason this resonates with conservatives is due to the fact that they ALL behave this way nowadays, and as a consequence, they seem themselves reflected in Trump's behavior.

 

[amrchaos]

Capitalism involves risk. Lenders are rewarded for taking risks - they collect interest. The higher the risk, the higher the "interest" income they receive. Trump has done hundreds of successful deals and his investors have made billions. He had 4 deals that didn't work out. 4 bad deals out of hundreds? We should all be so successful! The investors who lost money in those deals knew they were taking a risk. It's called CAPITALISM.

How do you know that Trump made hundreds of deals?

I am starting to see a pattern of generalizations.

 

[Martin Hauser]

Regardless if they are saints or demons, they trusted Trump and lost.

Trump lost a lot of influential business community who identify themselves as strongly free-market-only conservatives as Larry Kudlow, from CNBC, the business channel demonstrated today. He's now antagonized a sizable number of women, mexican-americans and now Kudlow types. To me he looks very unpresidential. For a non-scientific but usually prescient analysis of the "debate" you might try pragmaticliberalism.com There are many others but that's a good one especially on International Crises and presidential elections.

 

[Boss]

Investors trusted Trump!!

and lost billions!!

AND Trump explained this... These "investors" weren't innocent little church widows... they were Big Boys who were not necessarily all that nice... they knew the risks and took them willingly... Trump didn't make them do it. It's funny how investors are the worst creatures on the planet when making billions, but the most unfortunate and disadvantaged victims when they lose billions.

Regardless if they are saints or demons, they trusted Trump and lost.

By the way, we do not know if all of them are as Trump described them. Some of them could be good people that lost. Not all investors are the same, some are greedy, others are just building a nest egg for retirement.

So investors make investments solely based on how much trust they have in someone or how much return they stand to gain from their investment? It's a matter of what you wish to believe. It really doesn't matter what kind of people they are, they took a risk investing as do all people who invest. This was NOT some kind of unethical "ponzi scheme" Trump tricked people into doing... this was a legitimate real estate investment in Atlantic City casinos. Trump got out of it before it tanked... the others should have followed his lead. They chose to stay and lost their ass. How is that Trump's fault? If it was about "trusting Trump" why did they stay in it? He left... got out... didn't they get the memo?

 

[Boss]

How do you know that Trump made hundreds of deals?

Have you been sleeping under a rock?