trump claims he told NATO country he would not protect them if Russia attacked them

[LA RAM FAN]

Good for Trump. Anything else?

exactly,considering NATO is an evil organization that starts wars with out countries,like the man said trollboy,anything else for us for the day?

 

[JimH52]

No, it is actually quite obvious that he was joking when you watch it.

HE WAS NOT JOKING! DON'T BE A MORON! trump LOVES POOOTIN.

 

[Kondor3]

You voted for Biden

Yep. Doesn't mean I wanted to. You offered no sane alternative.

 

[Mac-7]

It goes without saying that you think that everything you want is good for America, but I've got news for you: NOT EVERYONE AGREES and you often need to compromise on controvertial issues to get SOME of what you want.

You guys on the left keep flipping between lecturing us about the need to compromise when you want something and sneering at us when you dont need to compromise

 

[AntonToo]

You guys on the left keep flipping between lecturing us about the need to compromise when you want something and sneering at us when you dont need to compromise

Who are you talking to?

What did I flip about?

 

[ElmerMudd]

You need to check your reading comprehension skills, moron.

Muhammed, how can you live with yourself defending absolutely unAmerican comments of Trump

 

[j-mac]

That Trump would surrender our democratic allies to Putin is further proof that he’s unfit to be president.

It would be madness to vote for the likes of Trump.

That’s ridiculous…While I didn’t like what he said there, I understand the sentiment…These nations SHOULD pay their share they agreed to. But, as to his ”fitness”, 1. He’s certainly more fit than Biden, who doesn’t have the mental competency stand trial for his crimes, but you want in charge of the nuclear arsenal, as he pushes toward WWIII….Thats just sad…

 

[j-mac]

Yep. Doesn't mean I wanted to. You offered no sane alternative.

Are you saying a conservative should pick the Democrat candidate?

I agree…

 

[JimH52]

Muhammed, how can you live with yourself defending absolutely unAmerican comments of Trump

MAGA is a treasonous organization worshipping a traitor who is giving the dictator Poootin a green light to attack a European country

Poootin will pull out all stops to elect his moronic asset now.

 

[Mac-7]

Who are you talking to?

What did I flip about?

Maybe not you personally but libs promoting the senate bill

I should not have singled you out

 

[Chillicothe]

I understand the sentiment…These nations SHOULD pay their share they agreed to.

Sure, can't we all support a sentiment of "pay your way", "carry your weight"?
However, with that agreement between us can we build on it and support the sentiment of encouraging President Putin.....in Trump's words....'" I would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want."

That seems a bridge too far for my sensibilities. Sure, stare hard and talk tough to deadbeats. I get it. I've done it. But to now 'encourage' our own country's adversary, and critically, NATO's bête noire, Bad Vlad Putin to do whatever....is beyond the pale. It is reckless, irresponsible.

It is not American leadership.

IMHO

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

MAGA is a treasonous organization worshipping a traitor who is giving the dictator Poootin a green light to attack a European country

Poootin will pull out all stops to elect his moronic asset now.

Of course he will. Putin considered the election of Trump to be his finest foreign espionage work.

 

[eagle1462010]

The Netherlands to buy nine more F-35s for $1.1 billion

The envisioned €1 billion acquisition will “lay the foundation” for a third F-35 squadron in the Dutch air force, a plan that government officials first floated in late 2018.

www.defensenews.com

Netherlands halts F-16 sale to US firm, will send to Ukraine instead

The jets will help Ukraine supress Russian air-defense systems and may ease the strain on the country’s own air defenses by intercepting cruise missiles.

www.defensenews.com

The Dutch supply of Patriot air defence system to Ukraine

The Netherlands will supply parts of a Patriot air defence system, specifically 2 launchers and missiles, to Ukraine. The Netherlands is also responsible for training Ukrainian soldiers. Further The Netherlands will supply 100 vehicles fitted with anti-aircraft guns that were commercially...

english.defensie.nl

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/dutch-deliver-200-air-defence-rockets-ukraine-govt-letter-2022-02-26/

-Patriots to Ukraine, have to be replaced
-F16's to Ukraine, being replaced
-Stingers to Ukraine, have to be replaced.

This is not an academic exercise. As we speak. European Countries are sending weapon systems and money to Ukraine. While the US is playing politics. They're doing so because NATO considers Ukraine a strategic ally. These weapon systems will transfer wealth from these nation to the US.

All the while, the presumptive nominee for the Republican ticket is saying in no uncertain terms he doesn't care about the obligations of the US as signed into LAW by congress in regard to the NATO charter.

I used the Netherlands as an example.

Last I heard Ukraine was not in NATO. This is their back yard. They should be doing the Lions share of it.

Our border needs to be secured. The power of the purse is being used as intended. Pass HR2 and then get the funding

 

[AntonToo]

Maybe not you personally but libs promoting the senate bill

I should not have singled you out

How about Republicans from Oklahoma promoting the bill, what personal flaws do you attribute there to explain you skipping on a good deal?

 

[Mac-7]

How about Republicans from Oklahoma promoting the bill, what personal flaws do you attribute there to explain you skipping on a good deal?

The senate bill is not a good deal

And after biden gets the foreign aid he wants border security will be a lame duck

 

[Kruska]

And the country that has the greatest debt in human history can?

If the USA want's to, "needs" to, maintain it's global political hegemonic status via it's known policy since 1898 - what other choice do they have??

E.g. Germany does not have any global political hegemonic aspirations - we simply use our existing economic strength to "push" respective agendas. (Which then mostly our respective governments totally fuck up).
We haven't attacked/invaded any other country since 1949 - to "push" political agendas (okay excluding a mediocre illegal participation against Serbia).

However that "enterprise" Afghanistan, cost Germany billions - for absolutely NOTHING in return. Germany paid billions for the US led "Desert-Storm" - for absolutely NOTHING in return. If you believe it or not - these two escapades" are the major reasons for Germany's desolate Bundeswehr situation. Not even to mention the "horrendous" costings of the Ukraine war since 2022.

And to be fair - Germany's factual problem isn't just to raise the present 1.5% of GDP to 2% - but essentially as to how these 1.5% have been spend aka "wasted" in the e.g. past ten years.

 

[Orangecat]

If the USA want's to, "needs" to, maintain it's global political hegemonic status via it's known policy since 1898 - what other choice do they have??

E.g. Germany does not have any global political hegemonic aspirations - we simply use our existing economic strength to "push" respective agendas. (Which then mostly our respective governments totally fuck up).
We haven't attacked/invaded any other country since 1949 - to "push" political agendas (okay excluding a mediocre illegal participation against Serbia).

However that "enterprise" Afghanistan, cost Germany billions - for absolutely NOTHING in return. Germany paid billions for the US led "Desert-Storm" - for absolutely NOTHING in return. If you believe it or not - these two escapades" are the major reasons for Germany's desolate Bundeswehr situation. Not even to mention the "horrendous" costings of the Ukraine war since 2022.

And to be fair - Germany's factual problem isn't just to raise the present 1.5% of GDP to 2% - but essentially as to how these 1.5% have been spend aka "wasted" in the e.g. past ten years.

I understand your point, but nothing you posted changes the fact that we are in debt, and every penny we spend helping other counties defend themselves adds to the $30,000,000,000,000+ debt we’re burying ourselves with.

 

[AntonToo]

The senate bill is not a good deal

You just can't explain why.

Right?

 

[ElmerMudd]

That’s ridiculous…While I didn’t like what he said there, I understand the sentiment…These nations SHOULD pay their share they agreed to. But, as to his ”fitness”, 1. He’s certainly more fit than Biden, who doesn’t have the mental competency stand trial for his crimes, but you want in charge of the nuclear arsenal, as he pushes toward WWIII….Thats just sad…

Nobody appreciates Tump's words, about NATO, more than Putin.
Trump and MAGA are Russia's biggest fans from the USA since the 1950 US communists.

 

[Kruska]

Nothing you posted changes the fact that we are in debt, and every penny we spend helping other counties defend themselves adds to the $30,000,000,000,000+ debt we’re burying ourselves with.

Why don't you check when and how the US State debt evolved, before making non-relevant statements ???

When the cold war was over in 1991 the US State debt was around US$ 4 trillion - and the USSR was none existent and Russia didn't pose any threat towards NATO at all - until today - aside from waving around it's nuke potential. Highlighted endlessly by the WESTERN press. There was absolutely no threat from Russia for 30 years at all !!! - paying to protect NATO - absolute BULLSHIT.

However the USA spend trillions to pursue US global hegemonic interests Globally from 1990 onward. (Since the USSR was finally out of the equation).

U.S. National Debt by Year

The U.S. national debt is the total of what the federal government owes creditors. The U.S. has always carried debt, but the total has expanded rapidly since 2008.

www.investopedia.com

1989	$2,857	S&L Crisis
1990	$3,233	First Iraq War
1991	$3,665	Recession
1992	$4,065
1993	$4,411	Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act
1994	$4,693	Clinton budgets
1995	$4,974
1996	$5,225	Welfare reform
1997	$5,413
1998	$5,526	Long-Term Capital Management crisis; recession
1999	$5,656	Glass-Steagall Act repealed
2000	$5,674	Budget surplus
2001	$5,807	9/11 attacks; Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act
2002	$6,228	War on Terror
2003	$6,783	Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act; second Iraq War
2004	$7,379	Second Iraq War
2005	$7,933	Bankruptcy Act; Hurricane Katrina
2006	$8,507	Bernanke chaired Fed
2007	$9,008	Banks crisis
2008	$10,025	Bank bailouts; quantitative easing (QE)
2009	$11,910	Bailout cost $250 billion; American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) added $242 billion
2010	$13,562	ARRA added $400B; payroll tax holiday ended; Obama tax cuts; Affordable Care Act; Simpson-Bowles debt reduction plan
2011	$14,790	Debt crisis, recession, and tax cuts reduced revenue
2012	$16,066	Fiscal cliff
2013	$16,738	Sequester; government shutdown
2014	$17,824	QE ended; debt ceiling crisis
2015	$18,151	Oil prices fell
2016	$19,573	Brexit
2017	$20,245	Congress raised the debt ceiling
2018	$21,516	Trump tax cuts
2019	$22,719	Trade wars
2020	$26,945	COVID-19 and recession
2021	$28,428	COVID-19 and American Rescue Plan Act
2022	$30,928	Inflation Reduction Act
2023	$33,167

Name me a single war - where the USA got involved due to a NATO member being attacked. - ZERO. NADA, NEVER.
The USA didn't get militarily involved neither when Turkey attacked Greece, nor when Argentina attacked the Falklands. The same goes for the e.g. Suez-crisis.

And every "wealthy" NATO member has contributed to support those "poor" NATO members, e.g. Portugal, Turkey, Greece, Poland, Romania etc. etc. - and not just the USA. Germany has contributed billions to Greece, Turkey and e.g. Poland - whilst the latter babbles about WW2 compensation.

Even the initial US 2nd hand crap that the Bundeswehr received upon becoming a NATO member in 1955 was ALL paid for by Germany.
And from the 60'ies onward Germany became the largest piggy bank in the European NATO for the US military industry. !!!

All wars since 1945 to which the USA where a part - where initiated and kicked of solely by the USA, to solely pursue US global Hegemonic interests.
And that is exactly as to what the American taxpayer is and has been paying for - since 1898. - US global supremacy.

E.g. Israel nor e.g. Egypt nor Jordan are NATO members, however both receive US$ billions. So why don't you ask these three, to pay by themselves, since the USA is indeed paying for them.

According to the 2021 estimates, U.S. defense spending will be close to $811 billion this year. On the other hand, the defense spending of all other NATO countries combined is projected to be $363 billion, Russia's defense budget will be close to $65 billion.
We (European NATO) need $ from the USA to outspend and or match Russia???? - simply ludicrous.

Just because your Trump talks bull all day long - shouldn't exempt you from trying to think for yourself from time to time.