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I never said that Putin's expansionist moves were tactically sound, in fact the recklessness of his actions further prove that he is not to be trusted and must face opposition. We cannot have a loose cannon rolling around Eastern Europe leaving chaos in his wake and we cannot let such a man frighten us into playing his game.Remember the Soviet Union? Putin is going to attempt to rebuild it. Explain why you think this is something we should not oppose?No one is going to fight a nuclear war but it is interesting that you see nothing wrong with our nation being successfully frightened into letting Putin carry out his expansionist plans without interference.ANd by European allies do you mean the UK? DO you mean France? DO you mean Germany?
Because they are not threatened.
Estonia might be threatened. The Ukraine, which was part Russia thoughout the entire Cold War, and for generations before, is threatened.
We should never have expanded NATO like that. It was looking for trouble.
Not wanting to fight a global thermonuclear war over Estonia is not being Putin's bitch, it is being SANE.
1. I note that you don't deny that the UK, France and Germany are perfectly safe.
2. You are the one that brought up "threats to our European allies". What do you think you are talking about when you are treaty bound to protect Estonia from Russia? You are talking a global nuclear war.
1. He CAN'T do it. No matter what.
2. If he DID do it, it would be a pale shadow of what it once was with a declining Russian population, no Warsaw Pact, and no attractive ideology to A. gather world wide support and B. call for world conquestion.
3. The Far larger and more powerful Free Europe would vastly out weigh it is economic and military potential. They don't need US carrying their socialistic asses. It would be good for them to stand up for themselves.
Maybe you should go over to Russia and see what it is like living under the thumb of such a "smart" dictator.Russia does not give two shits about terrorism outside it's borders.Putin's Russia is not our friend and can never be our friend. I see no advantage to acting as if our goals can ever be the same.Sounds like you think we should fight a war with Russia and be their enemy. Sounds like a stupid plan. Funny how much you loved them when they were still communist and trying to dominate the world
We do have a mutual enemy in islamic terrorism.
Putin is smart enough to realize that Islamic Terrorism is a global issue.
Trying to present the Syria mess as a binary conflict shows you understand the situation even less than most.Russia does not give two shits about terrorism outside it's borders.Putin's Russia is not our friend and can never be our friend. I see no advantage to acting as if our goals can ever be the same.Sounds like you think we should fight a war with Russia and be their enemy. Sounds like a stupid plan. Funny how much you loved them when they were still communist and trying to dominate the world
We do have a mutual enemy in islamic terrorism.
Well, it's the Russians who bitch slapped Obama when Obama tried to help ISIS overthrow Syria, so that's not completely true
Estonia does not want to be conquered by Russia, I guess they don't have a say in this?I never said that Putin's expansionist moves were tactically sound, in fact the recklessness of his actions further prove that he is not to be trusted and must face opposition. We cannot have a loose cannon rolling around Eastern Europe leaving chaos in his wake and we cannot let such a man frighten us into playing his game.Remember the Soviet Union? Putin is going to attempt to rebuild it. Explain why you think this is something we should not oppose?No one is going to fight a nuclear war but it is interesting that you see nothing wrong with our nation being successfully frightened into letting Putin carry out his expansionist plans without interference.
1. I note that you don't deny that the UK, France and Germany are perfectly safe.
2. You are the one that brought up "threats to our European allies". What do you think you are talking about when you are treaty bound to protect Estonia from Russia? You are talking a global nuclear war.
1. He CAN'T do it. No matter what.
2. If he DID do it, it would be a pale shadow of what it once was with a declining Russian population, no Warsaw Pact, and no attractive ideology to A. gather world wide support and B. call for world conquestion.
3. The Far larger and more powerful Free Europe would vastly out weigh it is economic and military potential. They don't need US carrying their socialistic asses. It would be good for them to stand up for themselves.
THe SOviet Union had to face opposition in the Cold War, because a Soviet Union that conquered West Germany would upset the world Balance of Power leading to great harm to US interests.
If Russia takes Estonia, it will not upset the World Balance of Power.
Estonia does not want to be conquered by Russia, I guess they don't have a say in this?I never said that Putin's expansionist moves were tactically sound, in fact the recklessness of his actions further prove that he is not to be trusted and must face opposition. We cannot have a loose cannon rolling around Eastern Europe leaving chaos in his wake and we cannot let such a man frighten us into playing his game.Remember the Soviet Union? Putin is going to attempt to rebuild it. Explain why you think this is something we should not oppose?1. I note that you don't deny that the UK, France and Germany are perfectly safe.
2. You are the one that brought up "threats to our European allies". What do you think you are talking about when you are treaty bound to protect Estonia from Russia? You are talking a global nuclear war.
1. He CAN'T do it. No matter what.
2. If he DID do it, it would be a pale shadow of what it once was with a declining Russian population, no Warsaw Pact, and no attractive ideology to A. gather world wide support and B. call for world conquestion.
3. The Far larger and more powerful Free Europe would vastly out weigh it is economic and military potential. They don't need US carrying their socialistic asses. It would be good for them to stand up for themselves.
THe SOviet Union had to face opposition in the Cold War, because a Soviet Union that conquered West Germany would upset the world Balance of Power leading to great harm to US interests.
If Russia takes Estonia, it will not upset the World Balance of Power.
Maybe you should go over to Russia and see what it is like living under the thumb of such a "smart" dictator.Russia does not give two shits about terrorism outside it's borders.Putin's Russia is not our friend and can never be our friend. I see no advantage to acting as if our goals can ever be the same.Sounds like you think we should fight a war with Russia and be their enemy. Sounds like a stupid plan. Funny how much you loved them when they were still communist and trying to dominate the world
We do have a mutual enemy in islamic terrorism.
Putin is smart enough to realize that Islamic Terrorism is a global issue.
OK that makes no sense.Maybe you should go over to Russia and see what it is like living under the thumb of such a "smart" dictator.Russia does not give two shits about terrorism outside it's borders.Putin's Russia is not our friend and can never be our friend. I see no advantage to acting as if our goals can ever be the same.
We do have a mutual enemy in islamic terrorism.
Putin is smart enough to realize that Islamic Terrorism is a global issue.
So, you're not defending your claim that "Russia does not give two shits about terrorism outside it's borders."
Thus, your claim that there was no advantage to "acting as though our goals could ever be the same" is proven incorrect.
He also used the military to help al Qaeda overthrow Libya and he supported al Qaeda in Egypt
He also used the military to help al Qaeda overthrow Libya and he supported al Qaeda in Egypt
You really liked Gaddafy, didn't cha?
Quit bringing up "global thermonuclear war" as the main reason to forsake our values and our allies. We lived with the immediate threat of it for decades and never let it scare us into not being the shining example of freedom and democracy to the world. Letting Russia run wild is the same as willfully giving up our self proclaimed title of "the leader of the free world". Who gets to have that title now that the right no longer wants it?Estonia does not want to be conquered by Russia, I guess they don't have a say in this?I never said that Putin's expansionist moves were tactically sound, in fact the recklessness of his actions further prove that he is not to be trusted and must face opposition. We cannot have a loose cannon rolling around Eastern Europe leaving chaos in his wake and we cannot let such a man frighten us into playing his game.Remember the Soviet Union? Putin is going to attempt to rebuild it. Explain why you think this is something we should not oppose?
1. He CAN'T do it. No matter what.
2. If he DID do it, it would be a pale shadow of what it once was with a declining Russian population, no Warsaw Pact, and no attractive ideology to A. gather world wide support and B. call for world conquestion.
3. The Far larger and more powerful Free Europe would vastly out weigh it is economic and military potential. They don't need US carrying their socialistic asses. It would be good for them to stand up for themselves.
THe SOviet Union had to face opposition in the Cold War, because a Soviet Union that conquered West Germany would upset the world Balance of Power leading to great harm to US interests.
If Russia takes Estonia, it will not upset the World Balance of Power.
So, you are dropping your claim that Russia "must face opposition", since you aren't disputing my point that Estonia is not important to the World Balance of Power.
Your concerns about fairness are noted. And not worth a global thermonuclear war.
Quit bringing up "global thermonuclear war" as the main reason to forsake our values and our allies. We lived with the immediate threat of it for decades and never let it scare us into not being the shining example of freedom and democracy to the world. Letting Russia run wild is the same as willfully giving up our self proclaimed title of "the leader of the free world". Who gets to have that title now that the right no longer wants it?Estonia does not want to be conquered by Russia, I guess they don't have a say in this?I never said that Putin's expansionist moves were tactically sound, in fact the recklessness of his actions further prove that he is not to be trusted and must face opposition. We cannot have a loose cannon rolling around Eastern Europe leaving chaos in his wake and we cannot let such a man frighten us into playing his game.1. He CAN'T do it. No matter what.
2. If he DID do it, it would be a pale shadow of what it once was with a declining Russian population, no Warsaw Pact, and no attractive ideology to A. gather world wide support and B. call for world conquestion.
3. The Far larger and more powerful Free Europe would vastly out weigh it is economic and military potential. They don't need US carrying their socialistic asses. It would be good for them to stand up for themselves.
THe SOviet Union had to face opposition in the Cold War, because a Soviet Union that conquered West Germany would upset the world Balance of Power leading to great harm to US interests.
If Russia takes Estonia, it will not upset the World Balance of Power.
So, you are dropping your claim that Russia "must face opposition", since you aren't disputing my point that Estonia is not important to the World Balance of Power.
Your concerns about fairness are noted. And not worth a global thermonuclear war.
Better than al Qaeda? Absolutely.
So you really liked ISIS in Syria, didn't cha? Your standard, you gotta really like one side
Better than al Qaeda? Absolutely.
So you really liked ISIS in Syria, didn't cha? Your standard, you gotta really like one side
Careful... this poster doesn't parrot the media....
"bin laden" tom ossman - YouTube
You don't fool me. You LOVED Gaddafi because you and Gaddafi are one and the same....
OK that makes no sense.Maybe you should go over to Russia and see what it is like living under the thumb of such a "smart" dictator.Russia does not give two shits about terrorism outside it's borders.We do have a mutual enemy in islamic terrorism.
Putin is smart enough to realize that Islamic Terrorism is a global issue.
So, you're not defending your claim that "Russia does not give two shits about terrorism outside it's borders."
Thus, your claim that there was no advantage to "acting as though our goals could ever be the same" is proven incorrect.
Quit bringing up "global thermonuclear war" as the main reason to forsake our values and our allies. We lived with the immediate threat of it for decades and never let it scare us into not being the shining example of freedom and democracy to the world. Letting Russia run wild is the same as willfully giving up our self proclaimed title of "the leader of the free world". Who gets to have that title now that the right no longer wants it?Estonia does not want to be conquered by Russia, I guess they don't have a say in this?I never said that Putin's expansionist moves were tactically sound, in fact the recklessness of his actions further prove that he is not to be trusted and must face opposition. We cannot have a loose cannon rolling around Eastern Europe leaving chaos in his wake and we cannot let such a man frighten us into playing his game.1. He CAN'T do it. No matter what.
2. If he DID do it, it would be a pale shadow of what it once was with a declining Russian population, no Warsaw Pact, and no attractive ideology to A. gather world wide support and B. call for world conquestion.
3. The Far larger and more powerful Free Europe would vastly out weigh it is economic and military potential. They don't need US carrying their socialistic asses. It would be good for them to stand up for themselves.
THe SOviet Union had to face opposition in the Cold War, because a Soviet Union that conquered West Germany would upset the world Balance of Power leading to great harm to US interests.
If Russia takes Estonia, it will not upset the World Balance of Power.
So, you are dropping your claim that Russia "must face opposition", since you aren't disputing my point that Estonia is not important to the World Balance of Power.
Your concerns about fairness are noted. And not worth a global thermonuclear war.
As an Independent, I'm still unsure what a Trump administration plans to do in many areas. However it's beginning to look like a replay of George W Bush. His cabinet is loaded with billionaire and CEO types, he seems to see things only from the perspective a comfortable seat in a corporate board room, and his method of bringing jobs back to America has little to do with slapping tariff's of foreign goods, and more on bribing company's with tax breaks to keep jobs from going off shore. The only difference seems to be Mr. Trump really enjoys making speeches (hence his victory tour)
I'll wait and see what Trump actually does once he's in office. I just hope Mr. Trump doesn't decide to "deregulate" things to the point where financial institutions begin peddling toxic mortgages again, and lies about weapons of mass destruction are not used as an excuse to start another war. I guess we'll find out....
We did the right thing by normalizing relations with Cuba and Iran, both of their power structures depended on the US treating them like enemies and confirming the propaganda they put out. Iran would have almost certainly reverted back to a secular government years ago had not our leaders continually issued threats of attack.Quit bringing up "global thermonuclear war" as the main reason to forsake our values and our allies. We lived with the immediate threat of it for decades and never let it scare us into not being the shining example of freedom and democracy to the world. Letting Russia run wild is the same as willfully giving up our self proclaimed title of "the leader of the free world". Who gets to have that title now that the right no longer wants it?Estonia does not want to be conquered by Russia, I guess they don't have a say in this?I never said that Putin's expansionist moves were tactically sound, in fact the recklessness of his actions further prove that he is not to be trusted and must face opposition. We cannot have a loose cannon rolling around Eastern Europe leaving chaos in his wake and we cannot let such a man frighten us into playing his game.
THe SOviet Union had to face opposition in the Cold War, because a Soviet Union that conquered West Germany would upset the world Balance of Power leading to great harm to US interests.
If Russia takes Estonia, it will not upset the World Balance of Power.
So, you are dropping your claim that Russia "must face opposition", since you aren't disputing my point that Estonia is not important to the World Balance of Power.
Your concerns about fairness are noted. And not worth a global thermonuclear war.
Yet Iran, Cuba and other despots you think we should give them shit and praise them like Obama does to get along with them ...
We did the right thing by normalizing relations with Cuba and Iran, both of their power structures depended on the US treating them like enemies and confirming the propaganda they put out. Iran would have almost certainly reverted back to a secular government years ago had not our leaders continually issued threats of attack.Quit bringing up "global thermonuclear war" as the main reason to forsake our values and our allies. We lived with the immediate threat of it for decades and never let it scare us into not being the shining example of freedom and democracy to the world. Letting Russia run wild is the same as willfully giving up our self proclaimed title of "the leader of the free world". Who gets to have that title now that the right no longer wants it?Estonia does not want to be conquered by Russia, I guess they don't have a say in this?THe SOviet Union had to face opposition in the Cold War, because a Soviet Union that conquered West Germany would upset the world Balance of Power leading to great harm to US interests.
If Russia takes Estonia, it will not upset the World Balance of Power.
So, you are dropping your claim that Russia "must face opposition", since you aren't disputing my point that Estonia is not important to the World Balance of Power.
Your concerns about fairness are noted. And not worth a global thermonuclear war.
Yet Iran, Cuba and other despots you think we should give them shit and praise them like Obama does to get along with them ...
If there is ever going to be a WWIII it will not be over something like Estonia. We have fought many proxy wars with Russia and we are both still here. The thing you need to realize is that Russia is not going to attempt to take territory we defend and that their threats are empty. Cooler heads than yours have long known these facts and based our defenses on those facts. with all the Putin fans among the right it is clear that the pro-Russian propaganda has intruded deeply into our political dialog. Hopefully Trump's new military leadership is not also a victim of what has been a wildly successful propaganda campaign by Russia that has even our right wing warhawks wanting to launch an appeasement policy with our most powerful military adversary.Quit bringing up "global thermonuclear war" as the main reason to forsake our values and our allies. We lived with the immediate threat of it for decades and never let it scare us into not being the shining example of freedom and democracy to the world. Letting Russia run wild is the same as willfully giving up our self proclaimed title of "the leader of the free world". Who gets to have that title now that the right no longer wants it?Estonia does not want to be conquered by Russia, I guess they don't have a say in this?I never said that Putin's expansionist moves were tactically sound, in fact the recklessness of his actions further prove that he is not to be trusted and must face opposition. We cannot have a loose cannon rolling around Eastern Europe leaving chaos in his wake and we cannot let such a man frighten us into playing his game.
THe SOviet Union had to face opposition in the Cold War, because a Soviet Union that conquered West Germany would upset the world Balance of Power leading to great harm to US interests.
If Russia takes Estonia, it will not upset the World Balance of Power.
So, you are dropping your claim that Russia "must face opposition", since you aren't disputing my point that Estonia is not important to the World Balance of Power.
Your concerns about fairness are noted. And not worth a global thermonuclear war.
A Military alliance of common defense is about fighting wars.
We should not be treaty bound to fight a war over Estonia if we are not prepared to fight the war it would take to defend Estonia.
Are you really prepared to fight WW III over Estonia?
