MarcATL
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What does that asinine term even mean dunce?Good. I am Deplorable. You’re a race baiting asshole.
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What does that asinine term even mean dunce?Good. I am Deplorable. You’re a race baiting asshole.
It means you bring race into everything and if people fire back you call them racists.What does that asinine term even mean dunce?Good. I am Deplorable. You’re a race baiting asshole.
That you don't like the word choice is rather immaterial.Because they did not really want anyone - they wanted to throw our democratic institutions into question. Stumping for Hillary certainly would not have done that - she was already presumed to have won. Their involvement would have gone unnoticed. Stumping for Trump, OTOH, did EXACTLY what they wanted as evidenced by the last 3 years. After all, Russia has been doing this for years and over many elections - this was not the first time. It was only the first time that the public noticed.![]()
Trump Now Rewriting History to Deny Russia Wanted Him to Win in 2016
“You can speak to Putin or anybody else — nobody has been tougher on Russian than I have,” says Trump in self-refuting claim.nymag.com
Of course.....Russian stole the emails....sent them to Wikileaks to release and damage HIllary,,,,so that she would win... trump is the is the most dishonest POS in the world. The man is desperately trying to rewrite history. He has Barr removing the stench from Flynn. I am sure he has plans for Manafort and for Stone.
Anyone that supports this piece of garbage has to be brain dead.
All this as usual ignores the concept of Cui bono, who benefits?
Why would Russia want Trump as opposed to Hillary, who they know would be more pliant, and would probably gut the US fossil fuel industry, making Russia more money?
IIRC, it was Comey that stated not only had Russia interfered but had done so in a manner that ensured we would know about it.
Interfered or tried to influence? To me interfering implies actual actions to change vote tallies during the voting process.
Influence is what they tried to do allegedly, but interfered sounds more menacing.
The Senate review led by REPUBLICANS undercut allegations by Trump of Russian interference. This 3 year review by the Senate Intelligence Committee did unanimously find that the intelligence community assessment, pinning blame on Russia and outlining its goals to undercut American Democracy was correct and untainted by politics.
The committee of republicans found nothing to doubt intelligence assessment of Russian meddling which favored Trump
Report findings
The Intelligence community findings are not a "hoax." They are not in doubt because,. as Donald Trump stated, Vladimir Putin very strongly" denies them. Russian interference in the 2016 election is a fact and Donald Trump's deference to Putin only serves to further Russian disinformation and undermine efforts to defend the United States against ongoing attacks.
This report also provides additional evidence against Donald Trump s false assertions regarding Ukraine. For example, the Committee conducted an extensive examination of the intelligence demonstrating Russia's intrusions into DNC networks. That review, which confirmed the ICA's findings, is fundamentally incompatible with Trump's conspiracy theories about Ukrainian involvement, for which there is no supporting evidence of any kind.
The Committee found the ICA presents a coherent and well-constructed intelligence basis for the case of unprecedented Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. On the analytic lines of the ICA, the Committee concludes that all II analytic lines are supported with all-source intelligence, although with varying substantiation. The Committee did not discover any significant analytic tradecraft issues in the preparation or final presentation of the ICA.
a heavily redacted document but the findings are a slap in the face to Trump as he tries to distance himself from Russian involvement and his comrade Barr and associates blow smoke up everyone ass. This is the guy leading the justice department who has turned them into Trumps personal lawyers
If Trump was crossing the Delaware river with his supporters, it would sink immediately because they forgot to bring the paddles. Depending on trump blowing really hard to cross that river.
If only they were aware of the info that was being kept from them by the intel community. You folks need to keep up.
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You are saying that the intel community is hiding information from senate republicans but somehow you or some mysterious source are aware of it.
The committee led my republicans after 3 years of working on this agreed with the intel assessment of Russian interference. I know you believe that when Putin denied it when talking with trump that he was telling the truth. Trump who has access to the same information decided to believe Putin rather than the intel community. People need to wake up and stop living in a fantasy world.
You commies really need to keep up with all the new information coming out. I think I originally mistakenly said it was Clapper that withheld the information when it was Brennan.
Trump spy chief declassifying documents showing CIA Director John Brennan 'suppressed' Russia intelligence: Report
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Turning the US into an international joke.Democrats did get him to confirm the most damaging elements of his findings. Under intense questioning, Mr. Mueller said the president had not been cleared of obstructing justice, nor had he been completely exonerated, as Mr. Trump has so often declared; he said that the president had been untruthful in some of his under-oath responses during the probe; and he called Mr. Trump’s encouragement of WikiLeaks “problematic,” to say the least.Why do you doubt the overwhelming evidence they did?Why would Russia want Trump as opposed to Hillary
But again, why would they want Trump over Hillary?
And everytime you morons rant about overwhelming evidence, it's not actual evidence. It's more supposition piled on top of guess work, with large dash of unverified reports from un-named sources, along with a dessert of opinion masquerading as fact.
WikiLeaks published emails stolen by Russian agents during the 2016 campaign, first from the Democratic National Committee, then from Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, John Podesta. Mr. Trump cheered the group on repeatedly, praised its actions and urged voters to read the purloined communications.
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Highlights of Robert Mueller’s Testimony to Congress (Published 2019)
A reluctant Mueller reiterated that President Trump “was not exculpated.”www.nytimes.com
Again, how did Trump winning help Russia?
Cui Bono?
Obama imposed sanction on Russia because of the Crimea invasion
Obviously a clinton win would not achieve what they sought as she was SOS for Obama
Trump on the other hand has been trying to do business with Russia for years.
- June 18, 2013: Donald Trump tweets:
Oct 17, 2013: On the Late Show with David Letterman, Trump says he has done "a lot of business with the Russians" and says he met Putin once.Do you think Putin will be going to The Miss Universe Pageant in November in Moscow - if so, will he become my new best friend?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 19, 2013
Putin has become a big hero in Russia with an all time high popularity. Obama, on the other hand, has fallen to his lowest ever numbers. SAD
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 22, 2014
I believe Putin will continue to re-build the Russian Empire. He has zero respect for Obama or the U.S.!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 22, 2014
November 10, 2015: In the Fox Business GOP debate, Trump explains why he understands Putin: "I got to know him very well because we were both on 60 Minutes, we were stablemates," he said. "We did well that night." [Time, November 11, 2015]
December 17, 2015: After Putin describes Trump as a "talented person" and "the absolute leader” in the presidential race, Trump responds: "It is always a great honor to be so nicely complimented by a man so highly respected within his own country and beyond.
Sounds like Putin wants Trump to win
April 27, 2016: In a foreign policy speech at the Mayflower Hotel, on the invitation of the Center for National Interest, Trump states that “this horrible cycle of hostility must end and ideally will end soon” between the United States and Russia. Russian ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak, attends and greets Trump at the reception preceding the address.
- July 25, 2016: Trump tweets:
July 27, 2016:The new joke in town is that Russia leaked the disastrous DNC e-mails, which should never have been written (stupid), because Putin likes me
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 25, 2016
Shot heard around the world and
- Two days after the start of the Democrat National Convention, Trump states at a press conference in Florida, regarding candidate Hillary Clinton’s emails: “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.
November 28, 2016: In an interview with Time, Trump denies that Russia interfered with the election.
When asked whether he would recognize Crimea “as Russian territory” and lift the sanctions, Mr. Trump said: “We’ll be looking at that. Yeah, we’ll be looking.”
When mass protests against Russian President Vladimir Putin erupted in Moscow in December 2011, Putin made clear who he thought was really behind them: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
With the protesters accusing Putin of having rigged recent elections, the Russian leader pointed an angry finger at Clinton, who had issued a statement sharply critical of the voting results. “She said they were dishonest and unfair,” Putin fumed in public remarks, saying that Clinton gave “a signal” to demonstrators working “with the support of the U.S. State Department” to undermine his power. “We need to safeguard ourselves from this interference in our internal affairs,” Putin declared.
As a senator in 2008, she joked about President George W. Bush’s famous line that he’d gotten a sense of Putin’s “soul,” cracking that because Putin was a KGB agent, “by definition he doesn’t have a soul.”
So I ask who do you think Putin wanted to win.
The person who has said nice things or the person he really does despise?
And yet, nothing he has done as President helps putin in any way shape or form...
From releasing American energy production, which hurts putin,
From getting the NATO countries to actually pony up their fair share for their defense
To killing Russian soldiers in Syria
To telling Germany to stop building the pipeline to Russia....
Where in the F**k do you see Trump actually helping Putin...you dumb ass.....
That you don't like the word choice is rather immaterial.Because they did not really want anyone - they wanted to throw our democratic institutions into question. Stumping for Hillary certainly would not have done that - she was already presumed to have won. Their involvement would have gone unnoticed. Stumping for Trump, OTOH, did EXACTLY what they wanted as evidenced by the last 3 years. After all, Russia has been doing this for years and over many elections - this was not the first time. It was only the first time that the public noticed.![]()
Trump Now Rewriting History to Deny Russia Wanted Him to Win in 2016
“You can speak to Putin or anybody else — nobody has been tougher on Russian than I have,” says Trump in self-refuting claim.nymag.com
Of course.....Russian stole the emails....sent them to Wikileaks to release and damage HIllary,,,,so that she would win... trump is the is the most dishonest POS in the world. The man is desperately trying to rewrite history. He has Barr removing the stench from Flynn. I am sure he has plans for Manafort and for Stone.
Anyone that supports this piece of garbage has to be brain dead.
All this as usual ignores the concept of Cui bono, who benefits?
Why would Russia want Trump as opposed to Hillary, who they know would be more pliant, and would probably gut the US fossil fuel industry, making Russia more money?
IIRC, it was Comey that stated not only had Russia interfered but had done so in a manner that ensured we would know about it.
Interfered or tried to influence? To me interfering implies actual actions to change vote tallies during the voting process.
Influence is what they tried to do allegedly, but interfered sounds more menacing.
And I never charged them with direct ballot manipulation. That is your projection and not what the word interfered means so, again, your problem with the word choice is immaterial. It is simply getting in the way of actually addressing the point.That you don't like the word choice is rather immaterial.Because they did not really want anyone - they wanted to throw our democratic institutions into question. Stumping for Hillary certainly would not have done that - she was already presumed to have won. Their involvement would have gone unnoticed. Stumping for Trump, OTOH, did EXACTLY what they wanted as evidenced by the last 3 years. After all, Russia has been doing this for years and over many elections - this was not the first time. It was only the first time that the public noticed.![]()
Trump Now Rewriting History to Deny Russia Wanted Him to Win in 2016
“You can speak to Putin or anybody else — nobody has been tougher on Russian than I have,” says Trump in self-refuting claim.nymag.com
Of course.....Russian stole the emails....sent them to Wikileaks to release and damage HIllary,,,,so that she would win... trump is the is the most dishonest POS in the world. The man is desperately trying to rewrite history. He has Barr removing the stench from Flynn. I am sure he has plans for Manafort and for Stone.
Anyone that supports this piece of garbage has to be brain dead.
All this as usual ignores the concept of Cui bono, who benefits?
Why would Russia want Trump as opposed to Hillary, who they know would be more pliant, and would probably gut the US fossil fuel industry, making Russia more money?
IIRC, it was Comey that stated not only had Russia interfered but had done so in a manner that ensured we would know about it.
Interfered or tried to influence? To me interfering implies actual actions to change vote tallies during the voting process.
Influence is what they tried to do allegedly, but interfered sounds more menacing.
it is 100% material, because trying to make attempts at influence via web posts and release of dirty laundry appear to be actual interferences via manipulation of the hard process of voting is perpetuating a falsehood.
The Senate review led by REPUBLICANS undercut allegations by Trump of Russian interference. This 3 year review by the Senate Intelligence Committee did unanimously find that the intelligence community assessment, pinning blame on Russia and outlining its goals to undercut American Democracy was correct and untainted by politics.
The committee of republicans found nothing to doubt intelligence assessment of Russian meddling which favored Trump
Report findings
The Intelligence community findings are not a "hoax." They are not in doubt because,. as Donald Trump stated, Vladimir Putin very strongly" denies them. Russian interference in the 2016 election is a fact and Donald Trump's deference to Putin only serves to further Russian disinformation and undermine efforts to defend the United States against ongoing attacks.
This report also provides additional evidence against Donald Trump s false assertions regarding Ukraine. For example, the Committee conducted an extensive examination of the intelligence demonstrating Russia's intrusions into DNC networks. That review, which confirmed the ICA's findings, is fundamentally incompatible with Trump's conspiracy theories about Ukrainian involvement, for which there is no supporting evidence of any kind.
The Committee found the ICA presents a coherent and well-constructed intelligence basis for the case of unprecedented Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. On the analytic lines of the ICA, the Committee concludes that all II analytic lines are supported with all-source intelligence, although with varying substantiation. The Committee did not discover any significant analytic tradecraft issues in the preparation or final presentation of the ICA.
a heavily redacted document but the findings are a slap in the face to Trump as he tries to distance himself from Russian involvement and his comrade Barr and associates blow smoke up everyone ass. This is the guy leading the justice department who has turned them into Trumps personal lawyers
If Trump was crossing the Delaware river with his supporters, it would sink immediately because they forgot to bring the paddles. Depending on trump blowing really hard to cross that river.
If only they were aware of the info that was being kept from them by the intel community. You folks need to keep up.
.
You are saying that the intel community is hiding information from senate republicans but somehow you or some mysterious source are aware of it.
The committee led my republicans after 3 years of working on this agreed with the intel assessment of Russian interference. I know you believe that when Putin denied it when talking with trump that he was telling the truth. Trump who has access to the same information decided to believe Putin rather than the intel community. People need to wake up and stop living in a fantasy world.
You commies really need to keep up with all the new information coming out. I think I originally mistakenly said it was Clapper that withheld the information when it was Brennan.
Trump spy chief declassifying documents showing CIA Director John Brennan 'suppressed' Russia intelligence: Report
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Lets see the documents then.
Where did you get the information that only Trump can declassify it? That's not how declassification works as I understand it. Could you link me to where that is said?Well as the the report was heavily redacted it does mean that it is classified. Only Trump can declassify it. One day it will be declassified but not by Trump for obvious reasons. Still declassifying is not the issue.
Edit: I understand that the president can stop it from being declassified in certain situations... But the president isn't the only one who can declassify as I understand it.
The Senate review led by REPUBLICANS undercut allegations by Trump of Russian interference. This 3 year review by the Senate Intelligence Committee did unanimously find that the intelligence community assessment, pinning blame on Russia and outlining its goals to undercut American Democracy was correct and untainted by politics.
The committee of republicans found nothing to doubt intelligence assessment of Russian meddling which favored Trump
Report findings
The Intelligence community findings are not a "hoax." They are not in doubt because,. as Donald Trump stated, Vladimir Putin very strongly" denies them. Russian interference in the 2016 election is a fact and Donald Trump's deference to Putin only serves to further Russian disinformation and undermine efforts to defend the United States against ongoing attacks.
This report also provides additional evidence against Donald Trump s false assertions regarding Ukraine. For example, the Committee conducted an extensive examination of the intelligence demonstrating Russia's intrusions into DNC networks. That review, which confirmed the ICA's findings, is fundamentally incompatible with Trump's conspiracy theories about Ukrainian involvement, for which there is no supporting evidence of any kind.
The Committee found the ICA presents a coherent and well-constructed intelligence basis for the case of unprecedented Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. On the analytic lines of the ICA, the Committee concludes that all II analytic lines are supported with all-source intelligence, although with varying substantiation. The Committee did not discover any significant analytic tradecraft issues in the preparation or final presentation of the ICA.
a heavily redacted document but the findings are a slap in the face to Trump as he tries to distance himself from Russian involvement and his comrade Barr and associates blow smoke up everyone ass. This is the guy leading the justice department who has turned them into Trumps personal lawyers
If Trump was crossing the Delaware river with his supporters, it would sink immediately because they forgot to bring the paddles. Depending on trump blowing really hard to cross that river.
If only they were aware of the info that was being kept from them by the intel community. You folks need to keep up.
.
You are saying that the intel community is hiding information from senate republicans but somehow you or some mysterious source are aware of it.
The committee led my republicans after 3 years of working on this agreed with the intel assessment of Russian interference. I know you believe that when Putin denied it when talking with trump that he was telling the truth. Trump who has access to the same information decided to believe Putin rather than the intel community. People need to wake up and stop living in a fantasy world.
You commies really need to keep up with all the new information coming out. I think I originally mistakenly said it was Clapper that withheld the information when it was Brennan.
Trump spy chief declassifying documents showing CIA Director John Brennan 'suppressed' Russia intelligence: Report
.
Lets see the documents then.
Poor commie, is your google broke?
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You lie in the face of all evidence.![]()
Trump Now Rewriting History to Deny Russia Wanted Him to Win in 2016
“You can speak to Putin or anybody else — nobody has been tougher on Russian than I have,” says Trump in self-refuting claim.nymag.com
Of course.....Russian stole the emails....sent them to Wikileaks to release and damage HIllary,,,,so that she would win... trump is the is the most dishonest POS in the world. The man is desperately trying to rewrite history. He has Barr removing the stench from Flynn. I am sure he has plans for Manafort and for Stone.
Anyone that supports this piece of garbage has to be brain dead.
It's amazing what ignorant dribble one can write ... knowingly ... when they CHOOSE to ignore documented fact and continue to push debunked propaganda.![]()
Trump Now Rewriting History to Deny Russia Wanted Him to Win in 2016
“You can speak to Putin or anybody else — nobody has been tougher on Russian than I have,” says Trump in self-refuting claim.nymag.com
Of course.....Russian stole the emails....sent them to Wikileaks to release and damage HIllary,,,,so that she would win... trump is the is the most dishonest POS in the world. The man is desperately trying to rewrite history. He has Barr removing the stench from Flynn. I am sure he has plans for Manafort and for Stone.
Anyone that supports this piece of garbage has to be brain dead.
You lie in the face of all evidence.
HENRY: It turns out Obama's CIA chief, John Brennan, also had intel saying actually Russia wanted Hillary Clinton to win because she was a known quantity, she had been secretary of state, and Vladimir Putin's team thought she was more malleable while candidate Donald Trump was unpredictable. Brennan suppressed some of the intel that suggested Russia wanted Clinton to win
Yawn. Wake us when the documents actually show what you claim. These claims just lack credibility.Google seems to be scrubbing this from the internet
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Amphibious Allies: US, Coalition forces refine amphibious capabilities
Marines, Sailors and coalition forces integrated as one to demonstrate and increase combined arms operational proficiency during exercise Bold Alligatorwww.google.com
I don't think that should be inferred.Executive order says he has the power to classify. It does not mean that he gets involved with the process of classification. It is delegated to others. Thus it is inferred that he can declassify if he so choose to do so.
I have no idea what you are talking about here... Unless there is evidence to support this one way or the other, I really don't care to know either.So in the early day of his presidency , he had told the Russian ambassador classified information. His defenders said that he is the President and can declassify at will. Others say by making a boo boo and saying the wrong thing is not the way to declassify information.
I don't know if he does or not. It's why I'm asking.But if you believe he does not have the power then I would say he does but it does not mean that he can blab anything he wants. when talking to someone. Declassification is a process with checks and balances.
They're. That statement doesn't help any case you have at all, it can only hurt it. And before there is any of that well it's just tit for tat because of "them over there"... I'm hoping I'm talking to the more rational of the two. I would say the same to them if I thought it meant anything.Giving Trump such authority on classified material is like giving candy to a baby. its bad for them but how can they resist. There babies and have no will power.