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so again, here you are with nothing to say. what is it they're squeezing?what exactly are they squeezing? I don't get your point.I don't think most Republicans are aware that many who opposed these pipelines were Small Government Republican land owners. The US Government is squeezing them out to make these pipelines happen. It's in the process of seizing more US lands. I don't think most Republicans are fully informed on this issue. Opposition wasn't only about thwarting Environmentalists.
Yeah Dschrute, you're suppposed to cheer only not ask questions or point out details. They wont be heard over their cheers...
dude, at least post some link to back your rant, don't just goI never got too worked up over this one. But i am concerned it could adversely effect our environment. Is a few more bucks worth possibly destroying wildlife habitats? I guess that question has just been answered. I'm still torn though. And on another side note, the far Left leader of Canada has fully supported it. Something else for folks to chew on.
Adversely effect "WHO'S ENVIRONMENT"???
Well, now it will be the 'Government's Environment.' The US Government is seizing more & more lands to make these projects happen. Not all opposing this, were Environmentalists. Many were actually Small Government Republican land owners fighting the Government off. It really is too bad fellow Republicans chose not to help them.
Actually most Indians probably want the economic benefit from the pipeline. I live up here and happen to be an American Indian. If you go and look at where they want to run these pipelines there's really no sacred ground… That's just bullshit but politically correct Indians.I am against easements on private land in most cases and even in some ways on this one. It's much more important issue than the stupid environmental and "sacred land" bullshit of my ancestors.There are thousands of pipelines already in place, your political correctness makes you a dumb motherfucker. Get a clue and educate yourself…
Great, we got thousands of miles of pipeline already. We don't need this pipeline. It does not benefit the American people. It is increased environmental risk with no positive benefit for the American people. It is a lose, lose for us. Canada gets a higher price for her oil, we pay hundreds of millions of dollars more per month for their crude. Americans get a higher price of gas, a higher price of diesel, the inflationary aspect of those higher prices rolls through the distribution network and Americans pay more for everything from toilet paper to prunes.
Meanwhile, air and water quality suffer as additional pollutants are released into the atmosphere and waterways from the refining of a particular nasty form of something like oil for the benefit of foreign owned companies and foreign customers.
Stupid.
Yeah, i have big concerns. Is it really worth it in the end? I would have to say no. I don't walk in lock-step with any particular entity. I am a Trump supporter, but i side with Native Americans and Environmentalists on this one.
I'm with Native Americans. It is sacred land. We can't destroy everything just to make a few more bucks for folks who are already filthy rich. And that will be the only result of this. These pipelines are not necessary.
Don't believe mainstream news it's a load of shit
where are they taking the land? It isn't going anywhere right? I'm sorry, you must have some rationale reason why a piece of pipe shouldn't be going underground and not affecting anything.so again, here you are with nothing to say. what is it they're squeezing?what exactly are they squeezing? I don't get your point.I don't think most Republicans are aware that many who opposed these pipelines were Small Government Republican land owners. The US Government is squeezing them out to make these pipelines happen. It's in the process of seizing more US lands. I don't think most Republicans are fully informed on this issue. Opposition wasn't only about thwarting Environmentalists.
Yeah Dschrute, you're suppposed to cheer only not ask questions or point out details. They wont be heard over their cheers...
Dont worry about it, no matter the answer if you cant see how taking someones land is a problem me identifiying who those people are wont change your mind unless they are related.
Probably not even then.
You agree, dont know why...but cheer anyway. Have fun
In 2008 the country exported 1.8 million barrels a day of refined products, according to EIA. By 2012 that number jumped to 3.2 million barrels.
"That trend will continue whether Keystone is built or not," said Brian Milne, a refined fuels editor at Schneider Electric, an information provider
Once refined, it'll be impossible to tell exactly where the oil that came down the pipeline went, but "with more oil, that [export] number will increase," said Milne.
FUCK KEYSTONE, FUCK BIG OIL, FUCK DONALD TRUMP !!!
SUCKERS !!
THE END.
Well, i'm not nearly as emotional. But in general, i have to agree with you. A few oil Fatcats getting fatter, just isn't worth it in the end. The risk/reward doesn't work for me. I'm a big animal and nature lover. These pipelines aren't necessary. Native Americans and Environmentalists were right on this.
I'm not emotional about Keystone per se' ... its the stupidity of American citizens, and their disregard for the elements necessary to live that gets me going.
I hear ya. It is very difficult observing the willful destruction of our beautiful land and oceans. These people just don't realize that we need clean healthy lands and oceans to survive. They're only supporting their own demise.
And for what? So a few greedy Fatcats can get fatter? These pipelines have been proven to be unnecessary. All the pain & suffering that's coming, didn't have to happen. Republicans need to stop going all-in on Corporate/Government propaganda.
So you have NO problem with 1,000s of miles of ocean being destroyed when 1 million barrels per day
on a tanker sailing through the stormiest north Pacific? I guess you don't remember the Exxon Valdez do you?
More importantly you obviously don't know the difference between 1 million barrels and 700 barrels!
American First? You mean using AMERICAN courts to FORCE Americans to give up their land/will for a FOREIGN for profit company?The Keystone Pipeline is a litmus test for environmental idiocy. Those who oppose it are oblivious fools.
(a) The oil will come to market, one way or another.
(b) The danger of a spill is minimal, and dramatically less than if the oil were transported via trucks or rail.
(c) The pipeline itself will create thousands of jobs initially and a good number of permanent jobs.
(d) These pipeline sections are just part of a network of pipelines that go across basically the same geographical area; it is the equivalent of adding a new east-to-west interstate in the U.S. We already have some, and we build another one. Big deal.
It's all part of the America First campaign. It's what I voted for.
many americans have become very wealthy as a resort of eminent domain. The land it not "taken" it is "purchased". Do you understand the difference?
No, the land is TAKEN and the owner is COMPENSATED. There is no "purchase".
exactly what is the risk? Maybe you could answer instead of CC screamingIn 2008 the country exported 1.8 million barrels a day of refined products, according to EIA. By 2012 that number jumped to 3.2 million barrels.
"That trend will continue whether Keystone is built or not," said Brian Milne, a refined fuels editor at Schneider Electric, an information provider
Once refined, it'll be impossible to tell exactly where the oil that came down the pipeline went, but "with more oil, that [export] number will increase," said Milne.
FUCK KEYSTONE, FUCK BIG OIL, FUCK DONALD TRUMP !!!
SUCKERS !!
THE END.
Well, i'm not nearly as emotional. But in general, i have to agree with you. A few oil Fatcats getting fatter, just isn't worth it in the end. The risk/reward doesn't work for me. I'm a big animal and nature lover. These pipelines aren't necessary. Native Americans and Environmentalists were right on this.
I'm not emotional about Keystone per se' ... its the stupidity of American citizens, and their disregard for the elements necessary to live that gets me going.
I hear ya. It is very difficult observing the willful destruction of our beautiful land and oceans. These people just don't realize that we need clean healthy lands and oceans to survive. They're only supporting their own demise.
And for what? So a few greedy Fatcats can get fatter? These pipelines have been proven to be unnecessary. All the pain & suffering that's coming, didn't have to happen. Republicans need to stop going all-in on Corporate/Government propaganda.
So you have NO problem with 1,000s of miles of ocean being destroyed when 1 million barrels per day
on a tanker sailing through the stormiest north Pacific? I guess you don't remember the Exxon Valdez do you?
More importantly you obviously don't know the difference between 1 million barrels and 700 barrels!
Too many just don't understand that they need clean healthy land and oceans to survive. All the awful pollution ends up in the food & water they consume, and in the air they breathe. These pipelines have been proven to be unnecessary. We would survive just fine without them. So why risk so much? The answer is, to make some oil Fatcats fatter. It's very sad.
what exactly are they squeezing? I don't get your point.I don't think most Republicans are aware that many who opposed these pipelines were Small Government Republican land owners. The US Government is squeezing them out to make these pipelines happen. It's in the process of seizing more US lands. I don't think most Republicans are fully informed on this issue. Opposition wasn't only about thwarting Environmentalists.
Yeah Dschrute, you're suppposed to cheer only not ask questions or point out details. They wont be heard over their cheers...
where are they taking the land? It isn't going anywhere right? I'm sorry, you must have some rationale reason why a piece of pipe shouldn't be going underground and not affecting anything.so again, here you are with nothing to say. what is it they're squeezing?what exactly are they squeezing? I don't get your point.I don't think most Republicans are aware that many who opposed these pipelines were Small Government Republican land owners. The US Government is squeezing them out to make these pipelines happen. It's in the process of seizing more US lands. I don't think most Republicans are fully informed on this issue. Opposition wasn't only about thwarting Environmentalists.
Yeah Dschrute, you're suppposed to cheer only not ask questions or point out details. They wont be heard over their cheers...
Dont worry about it, no matter the answer if you cant see how taking someones land is a problem me identifiying who those people are wont change your mind unless they are related.
Probably not even then.
You agree, dont know why...but cheer anyway. Have fun
so again, here you are with nothing to say. what is it they're squeezing?what exactly are they squeezing? I don't get your point.I don't think most Republicans are aware that many who opposed these pipelines were Small Government Republican land owners. The US Government is squeezing them out to make these pipelines happen. It's in the process of seizing more US lands. I don't think most Republicans are fully informed on this issue. Opposition wasn't only about thwarting Environmentalists.
Yeah Dschrute, you're suppposed to cheer only not ask questions or point out details. They wont be heard over their cheers...
I see you have your fingers in your ears going,
will run what show? The pipe goes in the ground and gets covered up. What show is there?so again, here you are with nothing to say. what is it they're squeezing?what exactly are they squeezing? I don't get your point.I don't think most Republicans are aware that many who opposed these pipelines were Small Government Republican land owners. The US Government is squeezing them out to make these pipelines happen. It's in the process of seizing more US lands. I don't think most Republicans are fully informed on this issue. Opposition wasn't only about thwarting Environmentalists.
Yeah Dschrute, you're suppposed to cheer only not ask questions or point out details. They wont be heard over their cheers...
I see you have your fingers in your ears going,
The US Government will run the show. These lands are lost to it forever. That should be very disturbing to 'Small Government Republicans.' How much more land is the Federal Government gonna seize? Doesn't look like it's gonna stop till it has it all.
Actually most Indians probably want the economic benefit from the pipeline. I live up here and happen to be an American Indian. If you go and look at where they want to run these pipelines there's really no sacred ground… That's just bullshit for politically correct Indians.I am against easements on private land in most cases and even in some ways on this one. It's much more important issue than the stupid environmental and "sacred land" bullshit of my ancestors.There are thousands of pipelines already in place, your political correctness makes you a dumb motherfucker. Get a clue and educate yourself…
Great, we got thousands of miles of pipeline already. We don't need this pipeline. It does not benefit the American people. It is increased environmental risk with no positive benefit for the American people. It is a lose, lose for us. Canada gets a higher price for her oil, we pay hundreds of millions of dollars more per month for their crude. Americans get a higher price of gas, a higher price of diesel, the inflationary aspect of those higher prices rolls through the distribution network and Americans pay more for everything from toilet paper to prunes.
Meanwhile, air and water quality suffer as additional pollutants are released into the atmosphere and waterways from the refining of a particular nasty form of something like oil for the benefit of foreign owned companies and foreign customers.
Stupid.
Yeah, i have big concerns. Is it really worth it in the end? I would have to say no. I don't walk in lock-step with any particular entity. I am a Trump supporter, but i side with Native Americans and Environmentalists on this one.
I'm with Native Americans. It is sacred land. We can't destroy everything just to make a few more bucks for folks who are already filthy rich. And that will be the only result of this. These pipelines are not necessary.
Don't believe mainstream news it's a load of shit
Have you been to the place were they want to run the pipelines?Actually most Indians probably want the economic benefit from the pipeline. I live up here and happen to be an American Indian. If you go and look at where they want to run these pipelines there's really no sacred ground… That's just bullshit for politically correct Indians.I am against easements on private land in most cases and even in some ways on this one. It's much more important issue than the stupid environmental and "sacred land" bullshit of my ancestors.Great, we got thousands of miles of pipeline already. We don't need this pipeline. It does not benefit the American people. It is increased environmental risk with no positive benefit for the American people. It is a lose, lose for us. Canada gets a higher price for her oil, we pay hundreds of millions of dollars more per month for their crude. Americans get a higher price of gas, a higher price of diesel, the inflationary aspect of those higher prices rolls through the distribution network and Americans pay more for everything from toilet paper to prunes.
Meanwhile, air and water quality suffer as additional pollutants are released into the atmosphere and waterways from the refining of a particular nasty form of something like oil for the benefit of foreign owned companies and foreign customers.
Stupid.
Yeah, i have big concerns. Is it really worth it in the end? I would have to say no. I don't walk in lock-step with any particular entity. I am a Trump supporter, but i side with Native Americans and Environmentalists on this one.
I'm with Native Americans. It is sacred land. We can't destroy everything just to make a few more bucks for folks who are already filthy rich. And that will be the only result of this. These pipelines are not necessary.
Don't believe mainstream news it's a load of shit
Doesn't change how i feel. Why risk destroying our beautiful animals and lands? These pipelines aren't even necessary.
oh come on man, now you sound like a whiny libturd. Oh the carnage, oh the spectrum oh the, oh shut up, that is so much bullshit your eyes are brown.Actually most Indians probably want the economic benefit from the pipeline. I live up here and happen to be an American Indian. If you go and look at where they want to run these pipelines there's really no sacred ground… That's just bullshit for politically correct Indians.I am against easements on private land in most cases and even in some ways on this one. It's much more important issue than the stupid environmental and "sacred land" bullshit of my ancestors.Great, we got thousands of miles of pipeline already. We don't need this pipeline. It does not benefit the American people. It is increased environmental risk with no positive benefit for the American people. It is a lose, lose for us. Canada gets a higher price for her oil, we pay hundreds of millions of dollars more per month for their crude. Americans get a higher price of gas, a higher price of diesel, the inflationary aspect of those higher prices rolls through the distribution network and Americans pay more for everything from toilet paper to prunes.
Meanwhile, air and water quality suffer as additional pollutants are released into the atmosphere and waterways from the refining of a particular nasty form of something like oil for the benefit of foreign owned companies and foreign customers.
Stupid.
Yeah, i have big concerns. Is it really worth it in the end? I would have to say no. I don't walk in lock-step with any particular entity. I am a Trump supporter, but i side with Native Americans and Environmentalists on this one.
I'm with Native Americans. It is sacred land. We can't destroy everything just to make a few more bucks for folks who are already filthy rich. And that will be the only result of this. These pipelines are not necessary.
Don't believe mainstream news it's a load of shit
Doesn't change how i feel. Why risk destroying our beautiful animals and lands? These pipelines aren't even necessary.
Then you got snookered.
This is about Canadian oil being transported to Gulf refineries to be processed into to diesel fuel for EXPORT. It will increase gas prices for Americans, not decrease them. A great deal for Canada, they get a higher price for their crude. A great deal for Mexico, diesel prices drop. Hell, even a good deal for the European countries that will be gobbling up all that diesel along with Mexico.
But America first? Not by any stretch of imagination.
How in the FUCK is it going to increase American Gas/Diesel Prices? By taking up available refining capabilities?
That's idiotic. The first requests/demands for the fuel/gas will be American and they will be honored...... For less money
All it does is make the refineries more profitable by allowing them to run at near-100% capacity. And by doing that, gas/diesel prices will fall as a result.
Look up 'Economies of Scale' dumbass.
Jesus Jumping Christ On A Fucking Pogo Stick but dimocrap scum are fucking stupid.
It's like they can't stand the thought of living good
Idiotic says the man who claims Americans will get the oil simply by "demanding" it and even at a lower price.
Keystone won't make the price of gas go down and might make it go up. Here,
The Keystone XL pipeline isn’t about lowering your gas prices
You don't like the Washington Post, try this one.
Keystone XL Won't Lower Gas Prices, It Might Raise Them
Both several years old. Common knowledge for anyone even minimally aware of the issues. Hell, the application to the US for the permit openly admitted it was about opening up additional markets and would generate an additional dollar per barrel in revenue for Canada. That's over a hundred million dollars per month at current levels.
Here's what the US Government says about it --
Increasing American Energy Production Will Lower Gasoline Prices, Create More Jobs
You go ahead and invest in what dimocrap scum say. I'll bet on Republicans.
Let's see who makes out better in the end.
The Keystone XL Pipeline, in conjunction with other initiatives in Energy production, will have a stabilizing effect on Energy prices and will cause them to lower.
The major Oil Producing Countries will be forced to stop throttling their production of Oil. They do that to keep oil prices high. Supply and Demand. You should look into it sometime.
Once we get the Pipeline built and we open the HUGE Oil Reserves in Alaska, the CONSHELF and on Federal Lands..... Prices will plummet.
Oil is really, actually worth about an average of $25 a bbl. Even with the cost of Fracking. Fracked oil needs around $50 a bbl just to make a small profit.
Overall, with all things considered, the price of oil should never exceed $50 a bbl.
One of our biggest problems is -- We haven't built a refinery in something like 50 years. dimocrap SCUM won't let it happen.
The Keystone XL Pipeline is a major benefit to the US Consumer.
That you CHOOSE to believe dimocrap scum is your problem.
It's one thing to be born stupid. It's one thing to suffer brain damage.
It's quite another to CHOOSE to be stupid by believing what dimocrap SCUM have to say about -- Anything.
It's on you. Remember that. When you start whinging and sniveling about all the bad things that happened to you in your youth..... I'm telling you now -- It's on you for believing the wrong message.
Being a dimocrap isn't just a minor thing..... It isn't a political belief that you can change on a whim -- It is way of life.
A very bad way of life.
You'll see. I'm right
You are a flippin idiot. First, you post a partisan Republican house committee report, which is not worth the bandwidth used. Might as well let the oil industry give you the facts.
Second, do you really think we can win a race to the bottom with the Middle East? They can make money at ten dollars a barrel. And in effect, shut down domestic production. It's a fool me once kind of thing.
Third, you got to be smoking some good shit if you believe the federal government and the Trump administration has any desire to move oil prices down. That would curtail domestic production, hell it is the biggest problem now.
Fourth, your refinery argument is foolish. We have vastly expanded capacity. Worse, when you examine that capacity expansion you find it is for, wait for it, EXPORT.
US is becoming the 'refiner to the world'
You can sling shit all you want. Bookmark the thread. Come back to it later, when gas prices are higher, when diesel prices here at home are higher, when the temporary jobs are all dried up, and when there is an environmental catastrophe at both ends, the toxic waste from the refining process and leaks in the pipeline. Then you can tell me what a great deal it was for the American people.
Are you an engineer?There are thousands of pipelines already in place, your political correctness makes you a dumb motherfucker. Get a clue and educate yourself…I never got too worked up over this one. But i am concerned it could adversely effect our environment. Is a few more bucks worth possibly destroying wildlife habitats? I guess that question has just been answered. I'm still torn though. And on another side note, the far Left leader of Canada has fully supported it. Something else for folks to chew on.
Of course the Canadian prime minister supports it. The alternative is to build a pipeline to the Canadian west coast. Why pump that sludge over the Queen's land when they can pump that sludge over American land.
Great, we got thousands of miles of pipeline already. We don't need this pipeline. It does not benefit the American people. It is increased environmental risk with no positive benefit for the American people. It is a lose, lose for us. Canada gets a higher price for her oil, we pay hundreds of millions of dollars more per month for their crude. Americans get a higher price of gas, a higher price of diesel, the inflationary aspect of those higher prices rolls through the distribution network and Americans pay more for everything from toilet paper to prunes.
Meanwhile, air and water quality suffer as additional pollutants are released into the atmosphere and waterways from the refining of a particular nasty form of something like oil for the benefit of foreign owned companies and foreign customers.
Stupid.
Nope. But I have raised a couple. Does that help?
Here's what the US Government says about it --
Increasing American Energy Production Will Lower Gasoline Prices, Create More Jobs
You go ahead and invest in what dimocrap scum say. I'll bet on Republicans.
Let's see who makes out better in the end.
The Keystone XL Pipeline, in conjunction with other initiatives in Energy production, will have a stabilizing effect on Energy prices and will cause them to lower.
The major Oil Producing Countries will be forced to stop throttling their production of Oil. They do that to keep oil prices high. Supply and Demand. You should look into it sometime.
Once we get the Pipeline built and we open the HUGE Oil Reserves in Alaska, the CONSHELF and on Federal Lands..... Prices will plummet.
Oil is really, actually worth about an average of $25 a bbl. Even with the cost of Fracking. Fracked oil needs around $50 a bbl just to make a small profit.
Overall, with all things considered, the price of oil should never exceed $50 a bbl.
One of our biggest problems is -- We haven't built a refinery in something like 50 years. dimocrap SCUM won't let it happen.
The Keystone XL Pipeline is a major benefit to the US Consumer.
That you CHOOSE to believe dimocrap scum is your problem.
It's one thing to be born stupid. It's one thing to suffer brain damage.
It's quite another to CHOOSE to be stupid by believing what dimocrap SCUM have to say about -- Anything.
It's on you. Remember that. When you start whinging and sniveling about all the bad things that happened to you in your youth..... I'm telling you now -- It's on you for believing the wrong message.
Being a dimocrap isn't just a minor thing..... It isn't a political belief that you can change on a whim -- It is way of life.
A very bad way of life.
You'll see. I'm right
You are a flippin idiot. First, you post a partisan Republican house committee report, which is not worth the bandwidth used. Might as well let the oil industry give you the facts.
Second, do you really think we can win a race to the bottom with the Middle East? They can make money at ten dollars a barrel. And in effect, shut down domestic production. It's a fool me once kind of thing.
Third, you got to be smoking some good shit if you believe the federal government and the Trump administration has any desire to move oil prices down. That would curtail domestic production, hell it is the biggest problem now.
Fourth, your refinery argument is foolish. We have vastly expanded capacity. Worse, when you examine that capacity expansion you find it is for, wait for it, EXPORT.
US is becoming the 'refiner to the world'
You can sling shit all you want. Bookmark the thread. Come back to it later, when gas prices are higher, when diesel prices here at home are higher, when the temporary jobs are all dried up, and when there is an environmental catastrophe at both ends, the toxic waste from the refining process and leaks in the pipeline. Then you can tell me what a great deal it was for the American people.
What toxic waste from the refining process?
Are you aware of the fact that petroleum coke is the main byproduct of the process? Petroleum coke has many, many uses. I, for one, have hauled dozens of loads of petcoke to SLC to be used as a landscaping material.
"Uses of Petroleum Coke
Petroleum coke is typically used as a source of energy, or as a source of carbon for industrial applications. Fuel grade petcoke represents nearly 80 percent of worldwide production and is a source of fuel for cement kilns and electric power plants. Calcined petcoke has the highest carbon purity and is used to manufacture energy, as well as in the aluminum, graphite electrode, steel, titanium dioxide and other carbon consuming industries."
Additionally, the EPA does NOT classify petcoke as a hazardous material.
“The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) does not classify petcoke as a hazardous waste. EPA has surveyed the potential human health and environmental impacts of petcoke through its High Production Volume (HPV) Challenge Program and found the material to be highly stable and non-reactive at ambient environmental conditions. Most toxicity analyses of petcoke find it has a low potential to cause adverse effects on aquatic or terrestrial environments as well as a low health hazard potential in humans, with no observed carcinogenic, reproductive, or developmental effects.”
Petroleum Coke | AFPM
Who said anything about Coke? The refining process is inherently damaging to the environment. Visit Port Arthur Texas and get back to me.
Who said anything about "Coke"? From that simple statement you convinced me that you really are clueless and don't know what coking even is.
"Coking coal is an essential ingredient in steel production. It is different to thermal coal which is used to generate power. Coking coal, also known as metallurgic coal, is heated in a coke oven which forces out impurities to produce coke, which is almost pure carbon."
Producing petcoke is much the same as coal coke.
I've been to Port Arthur (I have family near there), and I'm willing to bet that most of the environmental damage done there happened in the past, before technology and corporate responsibility caught up with modern times.
If you're talking about air pollution, I've seen worse air in Denver than I ever did in Port Arthur.
Where I live now, there used to be a Uranium Mill and there mountains of mill tailing. Before the dangers of the tailing were known, they were used in home and business foundations and toppings for driveways, among other things. They're all cleaned up now, but I know what real pollution is.
Additionally, I have lived in areas that had steel mills and coal-fired power plants, and I have spent time in areas that have petroleum refineries. Guess which ones were dirtiest. Go ahead, guess! Never mind paper mills.
Your anti-carbon and anti-nuclear rants have no effect on me.
Yes, who gives a shit about coke. And no, just a couple years ago Koch was fined forty million dollars for air quality violations at it's coke producing refinery in Port Arthur.
And now you have made an ass of yourself. I have never even mentioned nuclear and actually believe a strong component of any energy strategy should be nuclear reactors, primarily MSR's--but you don't know what that is.
exactly what is the risk? Maybe you could answer instead of CC screamingWell, i'm not nearly as emotional. But in general, i have to agree with you. A few oil Fatcats getting fatter, just isn't worth it in the end. The risk/reward doesn't work for me. I'm a big animal and nature lover. These pipelines aren't necessary. Native Americans and Environmentalists were right on this.
I'm not emotional about Keystone per se' ... its the stupidity of American citizens, and their disregard for the elements necessary to live that gets me going.
I hear ya. It is very difficult observing the willful destruction of our beautiful land and oceans. These people just don't realize that we need clean healthy lands and oceans to survive. They're only supporting their own demise.
And for what? So a few greedy Fatcats can get fatter? These pipelines have been proven to be unnecessary. All the pain & suffering that's coming, didn't have to happen. Republicans need to stop going all-in on Corporate/Government propaganda.
So you have NO problem with 1,000s of miles of ocean being destroyed when 1 million barrels per day
on a tanker sailing through the stormiest north Pacific? I guess you don't remember the Exxon Valdez do you?
More importantly you obviously don't know the difference between 1 million barrels and 700 barrels!
Too many just don't understand that they need clean healthy land and oceans to survive. All the awful pollution ends up in the food & water they consume, and in the air they breathe. These pipelines have been proven to be unnecessary. We would survive just fine without them. So why risk so much? The answer is, to make some oil Fatcats fatter. It's very sad.
The pipeline is not about lowering gas prices no matter what political rhetoric has been used to sell it to the people. Your link to Forbes even admits that the general view is that it will lower prices and the OPINION of the writer is not what the general view is. There is no reasonable or rational economic argument that stipulates bringing more supply will somehow increase prices. That is simply an asinine thing to argue.Then you got snookered.
This is about Canadian oil being transported to Gulf refineries to be processed into to diesel fuel for EXPORT. It will increase gas prices for Americans, not decrease them. A great deal for Canada, they get a higher price for their crude. A great deal for Mexico, diesel prices drop. Hell, even a good deal for the European countries that will be gobbling up all that diesel along with Mexico.
But America first? Not by any stretch of imagination.
How in the FUCK is it going to increase American Gas/Diesel Prices? By taking up available refining capabilities?
That's idiotic. The first requests/demands for the fuel/gas will be American and they will be honored...... For less money
All it does is make the refineries more profitable by allowing them to run at near-100% capacity. And by doing that, gas/diesel prices will fall as a result.
Look up 'Economies of Scale' dumbass.
Jesus Jumping Christ On A Fucking Pogo Stick but dimocrap scum are fucking stupid.
It's like they can't stand the thought of living good
Idiotic says the man who claims Americans will get the oil simply by "demanding" it and even at a lower price.
Keystone won't make the price of gas go down and might make it go up. Here,
The Keystone XL pipeline isn’t about lowering your gas prices
You don't like the Washington Post, try this one.
Keystone XL Won't Lower Gas Prices, It Might Raise Them
Both several years old. Common knowledge for anyone even minimally aware of the issues. Hell, the application to the US for the permit openly admitted it was about opening up additional markets and would generate an additional dollar per barrel in revenue for Canada. That's over a hundred million dollars per month at current levels.
Yes he is.Trump's a big fan of eminent domain too.Who doesn't love using fascism to force people to go against their own will/land to appease a foreign company?
