Trump pulling out of Paris Climate Accord

[jc456]

Debunking Trump's Paris Climate Accord lies:

9 Times Trump Twisted Facts In His Speech Quitting Paris Accord

A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.

And oddly, you didn't link to this NASA study. Could it be because NASA supports the science that point to human caused climate change?

NASA has been caught red-handed doctoring the data. It has no credibility.

The only people with no credibility are climate deniers.

you then.

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

Anybody know why natural gas is called "natural"

It's a naturally occurring gas that is deposited beneath the surface. It can be found with oil deposit (if to see a drill rig that has a pipe emitting flame, they are burning off natural gas, thus that's where the term "Burn Off" comes from that many Liberals are howling about). There also deposits of natural gas by themselves. However, here in Colorado much of our natural gas is in and near our oil shale deposits.

Natural gas is naturally occurring Methane Gas, I believe.

 

[jc456]

you have yet to give logical reasons as to why
you have yet to address how this would even help our environment. Just a few percent..
What you have done is ignore reality and envelope yourself in emotion and partisan talking points.
Not to mention the accord is UNCONSTITUTIONAL that's why the supreme court put it on hold. article 2 clearly states treaties must be ratified by congress. Also, any time money is brought up, it must involve congress.

I'm super busy this afternoon, so I haven't got time to argue, but I'm gonna say this:
ADMIT that even if it were ratified or kissed by the SC or whatever, you STILL would hate it because you don't think it will have any effect. So don't ramble on about the legalities of a VOLUNTARY agreement which as far as I know is not the same thing as a TREATY, but I could be wrong and it doesn't matter because you wouldn't care anyway YOU WOULD STILL BE SAYING IT WAS WRONG HEADED and STUPID.
It is humiliating to be in the basket with Syria and Nicaragua while most of the educated world (and even a lot of the world that isn't very educated) recognize that if we're going to keep this planet anywhere near stable and livable in the foreseeable future, we need to use as much knowledge and foresight and brains as we can muster to do that.
Trump can revise our involvement if he doesn't want to pay big bucks. But he should still participate. We will see. I think it is money well spent, but that's not up to me to say.
And one more thing, if you don't quit with that hack insult "enveloping yourself in emotion and partisan talking points" I'm gonna actually get emotional. I don't do partisan talking points and you know it. Aping that shit like .... well never mind, just don't.

So you are another one who thinks being part of the cool crowd is cool? This is not high school.. Once more scientists like Judith Curry and her peers are part of the 97% consensus..Yet people call them a denier .. Why is that?

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I have no idea what you're talking about. If you've got a point, try again.

How convenient.

Judith Curry and her peers are part of the 97% consensus..

What? Assuming she even retains any legitimacy/credibility as a scientist, to say nothing of as a climate scientist of some stripe, Judith Curry is among the 3% not the 97%. The woman has given five different years as the point at which global warming stopped.

Forget the debate over whether there are indeed anthropogenic causes of it, that silly woman thought it had stopped happening, and thinks it stopped on five different occasions. That attestation is analogous to one's using the fact of being at a stoplight to support the assertion that they "stopped driving."

so dude, how many scientists make up that 97% number? you even know?

How about 75 out of 77. dude, too funny that you think those are the only scientists in the world. get out of the basement.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Fuck Cheetolini, the rest of the world will progress without his orangeness.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/02/us/california-today-paris-accord-reaction.html

“There are more #cleanenergy jobs in California than there are coal mining jobs in entire nation. And it will stay that way.”

— Kevin de León, Democratic leader of the State Senate, on Twitter

Then let the world pay for it instead of having us write them checks. I don't give a shit what the world does. Go for it!

 

[jc456]

Most Americans Support Staying in the Paris Agreement

Majorities of Americans in Every State Support Participation in the Paris Agreement - Yale Program on Climate Change Communication

yeah and hitlery was to be president. stop making a fool of yourself. I'm tired of watching.

 

[sartre play]

It's such an awesome deal, Obama didn't submit it to the US Senate.

Isn't China exempt from the agreement? If so what's the big deal?

No China is not exempt from the agreement, they have signed on, only a very few (three I think) Syria &Nicaragua are two.

 

[Avatar4321]

Let me give an analogy.

You and your fiancée write out and sign a pre nuptial agreement in case you divorce.

Two days before the wedding she dumps you.

Can you now sue for damages under the pre nuptial agreement?

Of course not! You were never married! So any agreement to divestment of the assets at the time of divorce is irrelevant.

Likewise while we may have helped write terms of this accord, until the senate ratifies we haven't adopted the accord and thus none of it's terms are valid.

You cannot leave what you never went to. Much like you can't divorce before you marry

 

[Missouri_Mike]

TN and Bear are sulking. 3 states 30 cities and 100 companies are now negotiating with the UN on following the Accord.

There is nothing Trump can do to stop anyone or city outside of his Executive Branch from ignoring him.

And they are welcome to destroy their economies. Go ahead. Meanwhile the rest of us don't have to participate in this crap.

 

[Avatar4321]

Most Americans Support Staying in the Paris Agreement

Majorities of Americans in Every State Support Participation in the Paris Agreement - Yale Program on Climate Change Communication

yeah and hitlery was to be president. stop making a fool of yourself. I'm tired of watching.

I'm amazed anyone still trusts polling in politics

 

[Derelict_Drvr]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

Now....explain logically WHY that is.

<Crickets>

Thought so.

Excuse me? Are you seriously asking me to logically explain why, with regard to climate change commitments, Trump wants to put the U.S. in the same league as Syria and Nicaragua?

There's little that man does that is soundly explainable, and that move on his part suffers from that dereliction. Yes, Trump has given an explanation for why he wanted to withdraw from the Paris climate accord; however, the explanation he's given is merely an explanation, not a sound one.

• The entire coal industry employs fewer people than Arby’s
  
  
  
  
  Although 76,000 might seem like a large number, consider that similar numbers of people are employed by, say, the bowling (69,088) and skiing (75,036) industries. Other dwindling industries, such as travel agencies (99,888 people), employ considerably more. Used-car dealerships provide 138,000 jobs. Theme parks provide nearly 144,000. Carwash employment tops 150,000.
  
  Looking at the level of individual businesses, the coal industry in 2014 (76,572) employed about as many as Whole Foods (72,650), and fewer workers than Arby's (close to 80,000), Dollar General (105,000) or J.C. Penney (114,000). The country's largest private employer, Walmart (2.2 million employees) provides roughly 28 times as many jobs as coal.
  
  If anything the numbers above over-estimate the jobs impact of coal relative to other industries. Since 2014 the coal industry has shrunk further according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, to 50,300 employees as of February 2017.
  
  The point isn't that coal jobs don't matter — they matter to the people who have them and to the communities they support, especially as they typically pay far more than do jobs in the retail and service industries, But if you're looking to make a meaningful increase in the number of jobs available to U.S. workers, bringing back coal jobs isn't going to do it.
  
  
• Average Number of Employees by State and [Coal] Mine Type, 2015 and 2014
  
• 50% of US coal jobs are in just 25 counties
  
• Natural gas is fast outpacing coal as the most popular fuel for U.S. electricity generation.
• Coal companies like Cloud Peak Energy and Peabody Energy argued for staying in the Paris Agreement.

You do realize that your numbers are from 2014, well after Obama shut down coal production?

I heard today (can't find a link) that since Trump took office a 160,000+ coal industry employees have been hired. Here in the western part of the state, and eastern part of a adjoning state, coal companies are trying to hire hundreds of people. In the past month, 6 mines have reopened.

 

[jc456]

Most Americans Support Staying in the Paris Agreement

Majorities of Americans in Every State Support Participation in the Paris Agreement - Yale Program on Climate Change Communication

yeah and hitlery was to be president. stop making a fool of yourself. I'm tired of watching.

I'm amazed anyone still trusts polling in politics

I never did. ever.

 

[jc456]

At the moment, Syria and Nicaragua. That's the company in which Trump wants to put the U.S.

Now....explain logically WHY that is.

<Crickets>

Thought so.

Excuse me? Are you seriously asking me to logically explain why, with regard to climate change commitments, Trump wants to put the U.S. in the same league as Syria and Nicaragua?

There's little that man does that is soundly explainable, and that move on his part suffers from that dereliction. Yes, Trump has given an explanation for why he wanted to withdraw from the Paris climate accord; however, the explanation he's given is merely an explanation, not a sound one.

• The entire coal industry employs fewer people than Arby’s
  
  
  
  
  Although 76,000 might seem like a large number, consider that similar numbers of people are employed by, say, the bowling (69,088) and skiing (75,036) industries. Other dwindling industries, such as travel agencies (99,888 people), employ considerably more. Used-car dealerships provide 138,000 jobs. Theme parks provide nearly 144,000. Carwash employment tops 150,000.
  
  Looking at the level of individual businesses, the coal industry in 2014 (76,572) employed about as many as Whole Foods (72,650), and fewer workers than Arby's (close to 80,000), Dollar General (105,000) or J.C. Penney (114,000). The country's largest private employer, Walmart (2.2 million employees) provides roughly 28 times as many jobs as coal.
  
  If anything the numbers above over-estimate the jobs impact of coal relative to other industries. Since 2014 the coal industry has shrunk further according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, to 50,300 employees as of February 2017.
  
  The point isn't that coal jobs don't matter — they matter to the people who have them and to the communities they support, especially as they typically pay far more than do jobs in the retail and service industries, But if you're looking to make a meaningful increase in the number of jobs available to U.S. workers, bringing back coal jobs isn't going to do it.
  
  
• Average Number of Employees by State and [Coal] Mine Type, 2015 and 2014
  
• 50% of US coal jobs are in just 25 counties
  
• Natural gas is fast outpacing coal as the most popular fuel for U.S. electricity generation.
• Coal companies like Cloud Peak Energy and Peabody Energy argued for staying in the Paris Agreement.

You do realize that your numbers are from 2014, well after Obama shut down coal production?

I heard today (can't find a link) that since Trump took office a 160,000+ coal industry employees have been hired. Here in the western part of the state, and eastern part of a adjoning state, coal companies are trying to hire hundreds of people. In the past month, 6 mines have reopened.

he was hoping no one noticed. It is what a libturd does.

 

[basquebromance]

Wetlands are protected! Between leftists flooding planet with tears and wetting themselves over anything Trump does, we'll be ok.

 

[DOTR]

The language of the accord is irrelevant. We never ratified it.

And never will. Lets move on to undoing the next obamacrap that needs undoing. Gay marriage?

 

[iceberg]

Let me give an analogy.

You and your fiancée write out and sign a pre nuptial agreement in case you divorce.

Two days before the wedding she dumps you.

Can you now sue for damages under the pre nuptial agreement?

Of course not! You were never married! So any agreement to divestment of the assets at the time of divorce is irrelevant.

Likewise while we may have helped write terms of this accord, until the senate ratifies we haven't adopted the accord and thus none of it's terms are valid.

You cannot leave what you never went to. Much like you can't divorce before you marry

even if they were valid, there were no penalties or recourse for not meeting objectives so the terms were about as meaningful as tits on a nun.

 

[g5000]

Rising oceans threaten to submerge 128 military bases: report - Navy Times

So ya think the parris acord will solve it?

What do you think tard there is some huge thermostat of the world?


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A giant crack in Antarctic ice is 'days or weeks' from breaking off a Delaware-size iceberg

The piece of floating ice in question is colossal. It's at least 1,100 feet thick at the edge — it thickens inland — and roughly 2,000 square miles. It's destabilizing quickly, a process accelerated by human-caused climate change.

What's more, Luckman and O'Leary say, the larger swath of the Larsen C ice shelf that sits behind the soon-to-calve iceberg "will be less stable than it was prior to the rift" and may rapidly disintegrate like a neighboring ice shelf did in 2002. Such an event could quickly raise sea levels by several inches.

Bye bye, military bases!

it's already floating. so not sure what your point is.

Quick Facts on Ice Shelves | National Snow and Ice Data Center

Why are ice shelves important?
Because ice shelves already float in the ocean, they do not contribute directly to sea level rise when they break up. However, ice shelf collapse could contribute to sea level rise indirectly. Ice streams and glaciers constantly push on ice shelves, but the shelves eventually come up against coastal features such as islands and peninsulas, building pressure that slows their movement into the ocean. If an ice shelf collapses, the backpressure disappears. The glaciers that fed into the ice shelf speed up, flowing more quickly out to sea. Glaciers and ice sheets rest on land, so once they flow into the ocean, they contribute to sea level rise.


You're welcome.

 

[jc456]

Rising oceans threaten to submerge 128 military bases: report - Navy Times

So ya think the parris acord will solve it?

What do you think tard there is some huge thermostat of the world?


.

A giant crack in Antarctic ice is 'days or weeks' from breaking off a Delaware-size iceberg

The piece of floating ice in question is colossal. It's at least 1,100 feet thick at the edge — it thickens inland — and roughly 2,000 square miles. It's destabilizing quickly, a process accelerated by human-caused climate change.

What's more, Luckman and O'Leary say, the larger swath of the Larsen C ice shelf that sits behind the soon-to-calve iceberg "will be less stable than it was prior to the rift" and may rapidly disintegrate like a neighboring ice shelf did in 2002. Such an event could quickly raise sea levels by several inches.

Bye bye, military bases!

it's already floating. so not sure what your point is.

Quick Facts on Ice Shelves | National Snow and Ice Data Center

Why are ice shelves important?
Because ice shelves already float in the ocean, they do not contribute directly to sea level rise when they break up. However, ice shelf collapse could contribute to sea level rise indirectly. Ice streams and glaciers constantly push on ice shelves, but the shelves eventually come up against coastal features such as islands and peninsulas, building pressure that slows their movement into the ocean. If an ice shelf collapses, the backpressure disappears. The glaciers that fed into the ice shelf speed up, flowing more quickly out to sea. Glaciers and ice sheets rest on land, so once they flow into the ocean, they contribute to sea level rise.


You're welcome.

how you figure? they used the word 'could'. the fact is no added water. so again, your point is what?

 

[g5000]

Rising oceans threaten to submerge 128 military bases: report - Navy Times

So ya think the parris acord will solve it?

What do you think tard there is some huge thermostat of the world?


.

A giant crack in Antarctic ice is 'days or weeks' from breaking off a Delaware-size iceberg

The piece of floating ice in question is colossal. It's at least 1,100 feet thick at the edge — it thickens inland — and roughly 2,000 square miles. It's destabilizing quickly, a process accelerated by human-caused climate change.

What's more, Luckman and O'Leary say, the larger swath of the Larsen C ice shelf that sits behind the soon-to-calve iceberg "will be less stable than it was prior to the rift" and may rapidly disintegrate like a neighboring ice shelf did in 2002. Such an event could quickly raise sea levels by several inches.

Bye bye, military bases!

it's already floating. so not sure what your point is.

Quick Facts on Ice Shelves | National Snow and Ice Data Center

Why are ice shelves important?
Because ice shelves already float in the ocean, they do not contribute directly to sea level rise when they break up. However, ice shelf collapse could contribute to sea level rise indirectly. Ice streams and glaciers constantly push on ice shelves, but the shelves eventually come up against coastal features such as islands and peninsulas, building pressure that slows their movement into the ocean. If an ice shelf collapses, the backpressure disappears. The glaciers that fed into the ice shelf speed up, flowing more quickly out to sea. Glaciers and ice sheets rest on land, so once they flow into the ocean, they contribute to sea level rise.


You're welcome.

how you figure? they used the word 'could'. the fact is no added water. so again, your point is what?

Bah! Who needs science, amiright?

 

[sartre play]

Read more on the Paris accord. Working against the best interest of your self & your country because you hated Obama or Bush, to what point? if we focus on who ever is in power , read bills or opinions from each side remove each sides talking points, & determine based on the meat of the bill. spend less time on MSMBC FOX .watch more C span see what comes out of there mouths.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

So ya think the parris acord will solve it?

What do you think tard there is some huge thermostat of the world?


.

A giant crack in Antarctic ice is 'days or weeks' from breaking off a Delaware-size iceberg

The piece of floating ice in question is colossal. It's at least 1,100 feet thick at the edge — it thickens inland — and roughly 2,000 square miles. It's destabilizing quickly, a process accelerated by human-caused climate change.

What's more, Luckman and O'Leary say, the larger swath of the Larsen C ice shelf that sits behind the soon-to-calve iceberg "will be less stable than it was prior to the rift" and may rapidly disintegrate like a neighboring ice shelf did in 2002. Such an event could quickly raise sea levels by several inches.

Bye bye, military bases!

it's already floating. so not sure what your point is.

Quick Facts on Ice Shelves | National Snow and Ice Data Center

Why are ice shelves important?
Because ice shelves already float in the ocean, they do not contribute directly to sea level rise when they break up. However, ice shelf collapse could contribute to sea level rise indirectly. Ice streams and glaciers constantly push on ice shelves, but the shelves eventually come up against coastal features such as islands and peninsulas, building pressure that slows their movement into the ocean. If an ice shelf collapses, the backpressure disappears. The glaciers that fed into the ice shelf speed up, flowing more quickly out to sea. Glaciers and ice sheets rest on land, so once they flow into the ocean, they contribute to sea level rise.


You're welcome.

how you figure? they used the word 'could'. the fact is no added water. so again, your point is what?

Bah! Who needs science, amiright?

Let's use some science! Oceans make up about 70% of the earths surface which is about 140 million square miles. How many square miles of dangling ice shelves would be required to elevate the worlds oceans by say...an inch?