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Would you Liberals support Senators and Reps no longer being exempted from Obamacare??
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Congress was given exemption by Obama in an executive order. Trump has promised to remove it on Monday, maybe sooner.
I guess congress is about to get a nice wake up call that they are not special...
About dam time!
While this is technically true, Obama gave congress an exception, which allowed them to have Cadillac plans, that we are not allowed, and they were done at tax payer expense through a waiver. This was done for their staff as well. It was allowed by Obama.. This wavier is now going to be history and our congress critters will be forced out onto the real exchanges.Congress ObamaCare: ObamaCare Exemption for Congress
Congress Health Insurance Exchange Catch
As noted above, it is essentially a the myth that Congress and their staff are exempt from buying their health insurance through the health insurance marketplace.
Just like everyone else, members of congress and their staff must purchase their coverage through the exchanges.
Unlike most everyone else, they use the small businesses part of the health insurance marketplace and a loophole to retain robust benefits.
It works like this,
Prior to the passage of the ACA members of Congress and their staffers were covered through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, or FEHBP.
However, the ACA required members of Congress and congressional staff members to obtain their health insurance through ACA exchanges.
After debates, a final rule allowed Congress and Congressional staff purchase their insurance through the District of Columbia’s small business health options program (SHOP) exchange.
This doesn’t mean they get free healthcare or anything, instead the federal government provides a subsidy equivalent to 72% of the weighted average of all FEHBP premiums (or75% of the cost of the chosen plan, whichever is less; up to about $12,000).
Private employers on average pay more than 80% of the cost of health benefits.
In other words, Congress and their staffers are “on ObamaCare” and “use the exchanges” and they don’t get free healthcare, but the details are complex.
He's applying pressure. They will fold. How many Dems are going to vote against being on the healthcare they say we all need? Hell the Dems may bring it up for the vote.Where did he say EO? He's bringing this to the people. Now, who is going to vote against congress being forced in to obiecare once this is out there with Trump pushing it? You think any of them are going to vote against that?Since when can a President make an EO on something that affects the budget that Congress can't even do without a 60 vote in the Senate???
Where is he saying EO? How else do you think he is going to make a change in policy without the consent of Congress? Do you think Congress is going to vote to stop their own benefits?
He's applying pressure. They will fold. How many Dems are going to vote against being on the healthcare they say we all need? Hell the Dems may bring it up for the vote.Where did he say EO? He's bringing this to the people. Now, who is going to vote against congress being forced in to obiecare once this is out there with Trump pushing it? You think any of them are going to vote against that?Since when can a President make an EO on something that affects the budget that Congress can't even do without a 60 vote in the Senate???
Where is he saying EO? How else do you think he is going to make a change in policy without the consent of Congress? Do you think Congress is going to vote to stop their own benefits?
An awful lot of Dems up for reelection in 2018. How many of them would vote against being part of the greatest healthcare law the US has ever seen?He's applying pressure. They will fold. How many Dems are going to vote against being on the healthcare they say we all need? Hell the Dems may bring it up for the vote.Where did he say EO? He's bringing this to the people. Now, who is going to vote against congress being forced in to obiecare once this is out there with Trump pushing it? You think any of them are going to vote against that?Since when can a President make an EO on something that affects the budget that Congress can't even do without a 60 vote in the Senate???
Where is he saying EO? How else do you think he is going to make a change in policy without the consent of Congress? Do you think Congress is going to vote to stop their own benefits?
Congress is not going to vote in favor of something that is going to cost them more money... They only vote to give themselves raises.
Since when can a President make an EO on something that affects the budget that Congress can't even do without a 60 vote in the Senate???
Since Obama.
Narcolepsy much?
I thought you Conservatives complained and several of those EO's were found to be unConstitional.
An awful lot of Dems up for reelection in 2018. How many of them would vote against being part of the greatest healthcare law the US has ever seen?He's applying pressure. They will fold. How many Dems are going to vote against being on the healthcare they say we all need? Hell the Dems may bring it up for the vote.Where did he say EO? He's bringing this to the people. Now, who is going to vote against congress being forced in to obiecare once this is out there with Trump pushing it? You think any of them are going to vote against that?Since when can a President make an EO on something that affects the budget that Congress can't even do without a 60 vote in the Senate???
Where is he saying EO? How else do you think he is going to make a change in policy without the consent of Congress? Do you think Congress is going to vote to stop their own benefits?
Congress is not going to vote in favor of something that is going to cost them more money... They only vote to give themselves raises.
Since when can a President make an EO on something that affects the budget that Congress can't even do without a 60 vote in the Senate???
Since Obama.
Narcolepsy much?
I thought you Conservatives complained and several of those EO's were found to be unConstitional.
They were.
But since nobody, particularly Democrats, mounted any serious protest - no "special counsels" - no prosecutions - then precedent has been set. You shitheels created it now suck it up.
While this is technically true, Obama gave congress an exception, which allowed them to have Cadillac plans, that we are not allowed, and they were done at tax payer expense through a waiver. This was done for their staff as well. It was allowed by Obama.. This wavier is now going to be history and our congress critters will be forced out onto the real exchanges.Congress ObamaCare: ObamaCare Exemption for Congress
Congress Health Insurance Exchange Catch
As noted above, it is essentially a the myth that Congress and their staff are exempt from buying their health insurance through the health insurance marketplace.
Just like everyone else, members of congress and their staff must purchase their coverage through the exchanges.
Unlike most everyone else, they use the small businesses part of the health insurance marketplace and a loophole to retain robust benefits.
It works like this,
Prior to the passage of the ACA members of Congress and their staffers were covered through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, or FEHBP.
However, the ACA required members of Congress and congressional staff members to obtain their health insurance through ACA exchanges.
After debates, a final rule allowed Congress and Congressional staff purchase their insurance through the District of Columbia’s small business health options program (SHOP) exchange.
This doesn’t mean they get free healthcare or anything, instead the federal government provides a subsidy equivalent to 72% of the weighted average of all FEHBP premiums (or75% of the cost of the chosen plan, whichever is less; up to about $12,000).
Private employers on average pay more than 80% of the cost of health benefits.
In other words, Congress and their staffers are “on ObamaCare” and “use the exchanges” and they don’t get free healthcare, but the details are complex.
This was a carve out when congress realized that they failed to give themselves special privileges.
We are absolutely talking about obiecare. Remember, the Dems spent that same weekend cheering for obiecare to be spared. Not one single change could be allowed or millions would die. Remember that? Fine, let's get a law in the works making every one of them, their families and staff go get themselves some of that good stuff. The Dems spent 7 years begging for obiecare to be fixed. It wasn't so let them live with it too.An awful lot of Dems up for reelection in 2018. How many of them would vote against being part of the greatest healthcare law the US has ever seen?He's applying pressure. They will fold. How many Dems are going to vote against being on the healthcare they say we all need? Hell the Dems may bring it up for the vote.Where did he say EO? He's bringing this to the people. Now, who is going to vote against congress being forced in to obiecare once this is out there with Trump pushing it? You think any of them are going to vote against that?
Where is he saying EO? How else do you think he is going to make a change in policy without the consent of Congress? Do you think Congress is going to vote to stop their own benefits?
Congress is not going to vote in favor of something that is going to cost them more money... They only vote to give themselves raises.
We aren't talking about the Healthcare law right now, we are talking about Trump's threat.
How can you even say with a straight face "the greatest healthcare law the U.S. has ever seen?" The Republicans have had 7 years to come up with something and they spent a weekend to come up with a piece of trash to present to the Senate.
We are absolutely talking about obiecare. Remember, the Dems spent that same weekend cheering for obiecare to be spared. Not one single change could be allowed or millions would die. Remember that? Fine, let's get a law in the works making every one of them, their families and staff go get themselves some of that good stuff. The Dems spent 7 years begging for obiecare to be fixed. It wasn't so let them live with it too.An awful lot of Dems up for reelection in 2018. How many of them would vote against being part of the greatest healthcare law the US has ever seen?He's applying pressure. They will fold. How many Dems are going to vote against being on the healthcare they say we all need? Hell the Dems may bring it up for the vote.Where is he saying EO? How else do you think he is going to make a change in policy without the consent of Congress? Do you think Congress is going to vote to stop their own benefits?
Congress is not going to vote in favor of something that is going to cost them more money... They only vote to give themselves raises.
We aren't talking about the Healthcare law right now, we are talking about Trump's threat.
How can you even say with a straight face "the greatest healthcare law the U.S. has ever seen?" The Republicans have had 7 years to come up with something and they spent a weekend to come up with a piece of trash to present to the Senate.