Trump wants blacks to gamble on his "what the hell do you have to lose"

[nat4900]

up....that's exactly what Democrats say.
Democrats insult blacks by saying they automatically need their help because they're black.
They offer them nothing but more of the same. More crime, more poverty, more useless handouts.
They plan on making their lives miserable but don't want them to find out about it. Blacks will suffer more than anyone if they keep listening to Democrats.

Whether your half brain knows it or not (probably not)........You ARE INSULTING blacks and labeling them a bunch of idiots for falling for the "democrats' rhetoric".......and then you want these folks to vote for your tacitly insulting party???

 

[JQPublic1]

The Black community isn't "devastated." And the Democratic Party is the vehicle that drives Black progress and that of everyone else who isn'a a right wing White male bigot.With only two real choices RW White males have aligned themselves on one side and the rest of us have been forced to join the diametrically opposing Party just to get and keep basic CIVIL RIGHTS.

You're argument is fraudulent. The right doesn't want to strip away anyone's rights, you're just a smear monger.

The fact is that blacks have sky high unemployment, high poverty, out of wedlock births and single parent homes. You can stuff that kind of "progress" up your arrogant ass!

The statistical reality is that 75% of the Back population is NOT impoverished regardless of all the aspersions your data suggests.
Even with out of wedlock births and single parent homes only 25% are impoverished. That in and of itself is remarkable considering that people like you have dogged their civil rights every step of the way.

 

[owebo]

The Black community isn't "devastated." And the Democratic Party is the vehicle that drives Black progress and that of everyone else who isn'a a right wing White male bigot.With only two real choices RW White males have aligned themselves on one side and the rest of us have been forced to join the diametrically opposing Party just to get and keep basic CIVIL RIGHTS.

You're argument is fraudulent. The right doesn't want to strip away anyone's rights, you're just a smear monger.

The fact is that blacks have sky high unemployment, high poverty, out of wedlock births and single parent homes. You can stuff that kind of "progress" up your arrogant ass!

The statistical reality is that 75% of the Back population is NOT impoverished regardless of all the aspersions your data suggests.
Even with out of wedlock births and single parent homes only 25% are impoverished. That in and of itself is remarkable considering that people like you have dogged their civil rights every step of the way.

So, we can only deduce that you are one of the liberal shacklers of blacks....

 

[nat4900]

Pay $35,000 for Trump University.....What the hell do you have to lose?

So you're anti-education....why am I not surprised......

Be "proud" right wingers that you have such morons as the above nitwit on your side of the aisle....be very proud......LOL

 

[Iceweasel]

The Black community isn't "devastated." And the Democratic Party is the vehicle that drives Black progress and that of everyone else who isn'a a right wing White male bigot.With only two real choices RW White males have aligned themselves on one side and the rest of us have been forced to join the diametrically opposing Party just to get and keep basic CIVIL RIGHTS.

You're argument is fraudulent. The right doesn't want to strip away anyone's rights, you're just a smear monger.

The fact is that blacks have sky high unemployment, high poverty, out of wedlock births and single parent homes. You can stuff that kind of "progress" up your arrogant ass!

The statistical reality is that 75% of the Back population is NOT impoverished regardless of all the aspersions your data suggests.
Even with out of wedlock births and single parent homes only 25% are impoverished. That in and of itself is remarkable considering that people like you have dogged their civil rights every step of the way.

Show me where I have dogged anyone's civil rights? You can't because you are a piece of lying, smearing leftist swine shit.

African American Poverty
African Americans are disproportionately affected by poverty, food insecurity, and unemployment. They are also more likely to receive charitable food assistance than their Latino and white, non-Hispanic peers.



Unemployment

The Map the Meal Gap analyses demonstrate that unemployment is a major contributing factor to food insecurity. Unemployment is significantly higher among African Americans than among white, non-Hispanics.

• In 2014, African-Americans were more than twice as likely to be unemployed (11%) as their white, non-Hispanic counterparts (5%).
  

Food Insecurity

African American households are more than twice as likely to be food insecure as white, non-Hispanic households. Counties with majority African American populations are disproportionately represented among the top 10 percent of counties with the highest rates of food insecurity.

• One in four (26%) African American households are food insecure as compared with one in 10 (11%) of Caucasian households and one in seven (14%) households overall.[ii]
• More than one in three African American children (34%) live in food-insecure households as compared to one in seven (15%) Caucasian children.[iii]

• While the 98 counties in 2013 with a majority African American population represent only 3 percent of all U.S. counties, 94 percent of African American majority counties fall into the top 10 percent of counties with the highest rates of food insecurity.[iv]
• Five out of the 92 majority African American counties with the highest rates of food insecurity also fall into the top 10 percent of counties with the highest food cost index; the average cost per meal in these counties is $3.17, as compared with the national average of $2.79.[v]
• Of the 10 counties with the highest food-insecurity rates in the nation, they are all at least 70 percent African American. All 10 counties are located in Mississippi.

 

[owebo]

Pay $35,000 for Trump University.....What the hell do you have to lose?

So you're anti-education....why am I not surprised......

Be "proud" right wingers that you have such morons as the above nitwit on your side of the aisle....be very proud......LOL

Celebrate your Phoenix degree....

 

[JQPublic1]

If Blacks were blindly voting for the party of slavery that would be moronic. But Blacks aren't voting blindly, their eyes are wide open.
and they know those old democratic slavers in the south are all dead now. They also kow that northern democrats killed a lot of those democrat slavers during the Civil War. Todays democrats behave more like the old Northern Democrats known as WAR Democrats.

Your shackles of soft bigotry of low expectations are more devastating to blacks than any physical chains of slavery you liberals ever used....

The Black community isn't "devastated." And the Democratic Party is the vehicle that drives Black progress and that of everyone else who isn'a a right wing White male bigot.With only two real choices RW White males have aligned themselves on one side and the rest of us have been forced to join the diametrically opposing Party just to get and keep basic CIVIL RIGHTS.

Power to the plantation!!!

Life on the Democratic Plantation is far better than life in a GOP prison or concentration camp.

You mean like the Japanese? Oh....wait...that was you

No that wasn't ME. Those were "conservative" Democrats. But I am glad you brought that up. Today Asians vote Democrat and they have the reputation being the smartest people around. Could that motivation be the same as that of Blacks… Obviously, it is. Asians, like Blacks and Jews, saw the shift in political paradigms in the 60sand they see who their real political enemies are…they are all ensconced within the GOP!

 

[rightwinger]

Is your insinuation then, that conservatives show up to vote much more than democrats because these conservatives are mostly retired, white folks who are convinced that the darkies are taking over?

Most who vote Republican know what they are voting on. You can't drag homeless people off of the train tacks, give them a ride to the polls, and give them five or six cigarettes to vote Democrat and expect them to know what they are voting on.

A conservative will climb a mountain of rocks to get to the polls if necessary. That's because voting is so important to them. In my opinion, voting should take some effort because our country would be so much better off if only informed people voted. If it were up to me, you would have to take a simple test as well before voting. Nothing too hard, just questions like who is the Vice President? What party does he or she belong to? What party leads Congress, the Senate?

If we could create such a law, the Democrats would have a shit fit. They rely on people that only know to vote for anybody with a (D) next to their name and nothing more. And this is why they are so upset over Voter-ID. It has nothing to do with the competency of blacks, it has to do with discouraging people like the Obama Phone and Obama Money ladies from voting.

Discouraging any eligible citizen from voting should be a felony! And anyone fomenting such unCOnstitutional activity should lose their right to vote.

Yeah.....

Looks like two young men exercising their second amendment rights

The NRA should be proud

What are you talking about?
The second amendment doesn't give you the right to carry a club to a polling place so you can scare whites into not voting.

What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand

Maybe the NRA can explain it to you

 

[mudwhistle]

Only a Democrat assumes that every black in America likes Obama.

Well, lets see you may be right in that NOT "every black" voted for Obama....

In 2008, Obama got a "mere" 96% of the black vote, and in 2012, a mere 93%.....So, you're right not every black voted for him.

Alot of them don't even like him.....but voted for him because he was black.

Actually I think it was because he was a Democrat. Alan West or Herman Cain would not have lost gotten the Black vote against a White Democrat!

That goes without saying.

But the fact he was black sealed the deal.

Hillary will probably get 70%.......

Many of them will stay home.

 

[Iceweasel]

Today Asians vote Democrat and they have the reputation being the smartest people around. Could that motivation be the same as that of Blacks… Obviously, it is. Asians, like Blacks and Jews, saw the shift in political paradigms in the 60sand they see who their real political enemies are…they are all ensconced within the GOP!

Bullshit. The dems have convinced each group that they could subdivide that they will give each special favors and they have had their media outlets progagandize for them. That especially appeals to the young, definitely not the smartest people around.

 

[mudwhistle]

Most who vote Republican know what they are voting on. You can't drag homeless people off of the train tacks, give them a ride to the polls, and give them five or six cigarettes to vote Democrat and expect them to know what they are voting on.

A conservative will climb a mountain of rocks to get to the polls if necessary. That's because voting is so important to them. In my opinion, voting should take some effort because our country would be so much better off if only informed people voted. If it were up to me, you would have to take a simple test as well before voting. Nothing too hard, just questions like who is the Vice President? What party does he or she belong to? What party leads Congress, the Senate?

If we could create such a law, the Democrats would have a shit fit. They rely on people that only know to vote for anybody with a (D) next to their name and nothing more. And this is why they are so upset over Voter-ID. It has nothing to do with the competency of blacks, it has to do with discouraging people like the Obama Phone and Obama Money ladies from voting.

Discouraging any eligible citizen from voting should be a felony! And anyone fomenting such unCOnstitutional activity should lose their right to vote.

Yeah.....

Looks like two young men exercising their second amendment rights

The NRA should be proud

What are you talking about?
The second amendment doesn't give you the right to carry a club to a polling place so you can scare whites into not voting.

What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand

Maybe the NRA can explain it to you

I understand better than you, apparently.

There is no right to carry a night stick in the Constitution.

 

[JQPublic1]

The Black community isn't "devastated." And the Democratic Party is the vehicle that drives Black progress and that of everyone else who isn'a a right wing White male bigot.With only two real choices RW White males have aligned themselves on one side and the rest of us have been forced to join the diametrically opposing Party just to get and keep basic CIVIL RIGHTS.

You're argument is fraudulent. The right doesn't want to strip away anyone's rights, you're just a smear monger.

The fact is that blacks have sky high unemployment, high poverty, out of wedlock births and single parent homes. You can stuff that kind of "progress" up your arrogant ass!

The statistical reality is that 75% of the Back population is NOT impoverished regardless of all the aspersions your data suggests.
Even with out of wedlock births and single parent homes only 25% are impoverished. That in and of itself is remarkable considering that people like you have dogged their civil rights every step of the way.

Show me where I have dogged anyone's civil rights? You can't because you are a piece of lying, smearing leftist swine shit.

African American Poverty
African Americans are disproportionately affected by poverty, food insecurity, and unemployment. They are also more likely to receive charitable food assistance than their Latino and white, non-Hispanic peers.



Unemployment

The Map the Meal Gap analyses demonstrate that unemployment is a major contributing factor to food insecurity. Unemployment is significantly higher among African Americans than among white, non-Hispanics.

• In 2014, African-Americans were more than twice as likely to be unemployed (11%) as their white, non-Hispanic counterparts (5%).

Food Insecurity

African American households are more than twice as likely to be food insecure as white, non-Hispanic households. Counties with majority African American populations are disproportionately represented among the top 10 percent of counties with the highest rates of food insecurity.

• 
  
  
  • One in four (26%) African American households are food insecure as compared with one in 10 (11%) of Caucasian households and one in seven (14%) households overall.[ii]
  • More than one in three African American children (34%) live in food-insecure households as compared to one in seven (15%) Caucasian children.[iii]

• 
  
  
  • While the 98 counties in 2013 with a majority African American population represent only 3 percent of all U.S. counties, 94 percent of African American majority counties fall into the top 10 percent of counties with the highest rates of food insecurity.[iv]
  • Five out of the 92 majority African American counties with the highest rates of food insecurity also fall into the top 10 percent of counties with the highest food cost index; the average cost per meal in these counties is $3.17, as compared with the national average of $2.79.[v]
  • Of the 10 counties with the highest food-insecurity rates in the nation, they are all at least 70 percent African American. All 10 counties are located in Mississippi.

None of what you said has any bearing on the fact that the VAST MAJORITY 75% of AfricanAmericans are NOT POOR.
And only SOME of that impoverished 25% are responsible for all the misery and welfare assistance you seem determined to heap upon he entire Black community.

BTW 14% of food insecure Black households is a smaller number of people than the 11% of food insecure Caucasian households.
The face of poverty in America remains WHITE.

Marriage rates are in decline across all races, and the number of white mother-headed households living in poverty has risen to the level of black ones.

Nationwide, the count of America's poor remains stuck at a record number: 46.2 million, or 15 percent of the population, due in part to lingering high unemployment following the recession. While poverty "rates" for blacks and Hispanics are nearly three times higher, by "absolute numbers" the predominant face of the poor is white.

More than 19 million whites fall below the poverty line of $23,021 for a family of four, accounting for more than 41 percent of the nation's destitute, nearly double the number of poor blacks.

Sometimes termed "the invisible poor" by demographers, lower-income whites generally are dispersed in suburbs as well as small rural towns, where more than 60 percent of the poor are white.

4 in 10 adults falls into poverty for at least a year of their lives.

 

[rightwinger]

Discouraging any eligible citizen from voting should be a felony! And anyone fomenting such unCOnstitutional activity should lose their right to vote.

Yeah.....

Looks like two young men exercising their second amendment rights

The NRA should be proud

What are you talking about?
The second amendment doesn't give you the right to carry a club to a polling place so you can scare whites into not voting.

What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand

Maybe the NRA can explain it to you

I understand better than you, apparently.

There is no right to carry a night stick in the Constitution.

You have no idea what arms are

Would you feel better if those two fine black gentlemen were carrying AK 47s?

 

[320 Years of History]

What have the Democrats done for blacks?

Truly, this election cycle it's far easier to address why not Trump and the GOP than it is to speak to why Mrs. Clinton and Democrats.

I don't know why this question keeps coming up, perhaps because it's a question for which extant history is convoluted to say the least, thereby offering ample fodder for a host of lines of argumentation using facts that are facts and that are equally incredulous to many Americans. For example, there's the curious passing of the Civil Rights Act and the fact that a Democratic President got it passed, and, yes, I'm well aware that he did so with more GOP votes than Democrat votes. The fact remains that up until the 1960s, blacks were as reliably Republican as they are Democrat today.

Thinking about "what happened" to the GOP and it's strong black support, the answers seems pretty simple to me:

• Eisenhower won on his personal charisma, but the rest of the GOP lost in Congress.
• Democrats knew they were up for a loss in 1960 if they couldn't capture black votes, so they got Kennedy to announce that he'd push for civil rights legislation, which, frankly he was more indifferent about than for or against.
• Johnson got the Civil Rights and the Voting Rights Acts passed, even though he was dyed in the wool racist. For the Democrats of the day, it was a beautiful implementation of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer." That didn't really change much about the Democratic party -- many of the claims the GOP make today would have been spot on in the 1970s and 1980s.
• Reagan also won and he too was no friend of blacks even though he was a Republican.
• Bill Clinton was the Democrat that is when it became that the Democratic party became the right party for blacks

Between Reagan and Clinton, the racists who remained in the Democratic party began their exodus landing in the GOP, "pulled" by Reagan and "pushed out" by Clinton. Today, we have Trump and his racist remarks and so on. Additionally, the GOP is chock full of the one group of whites who are least amenable to black advancement: working class whites, most especially white males in that segment of the population.

There's nothing shocking about why there's animosity between the two groups: in many cases they are direct competitors for the same low skill jobs, and the whites in that strata see blacks getting affirmative action (AA) when they cannot. They also see blacks who maximize the benefit of AA stepping past them on the socioeconomic ladder, the steps of that ladder, in their fathers' and grandfathers' days, quite simply were not accessible to blacks. Thus back then even if the working class whites didn't move up the ladder, they weren't at the very bottom of it.

Next we got the "Bible thumping" Bush who with his throngs of evangelicals telling anyone whom they could what one should and should not do or believe because the Bible says so. Well, blacks knew from years of oppression by Southern Baptists and the like exactly what that portended and they wanted no part of it. That wing of the GOP is still "there" and strong. Then along comes Trump who from day one of his candidacy opts to play to the sentiments of working class whites with his hardline message toward immigrants. Now there are two major segments of the GOP that oppose the very things that low income blacks rely upon: abortions, because one of the few free forms of entertainment is sex, and assurances that as blacks they will be assured a shot at job and college admission opportunities. Then you have GOP leaders and grassroots members denying that AA is designed and intended to ensure opportunity access at a class level and the deal is sealed.

Blacks end up looking at the GOP and seeing threats coming from multiple angles and nothing in the GOP keeping those segments at bay. At that point, the question of "what have you to lose" is easily answered: distance from straight up racists and whatever they happen want, blacks' ability to get an abortion if they need to, acceptance to a good college if they do reasonably well in high school, the freedom of not being told what they should or should not think/do. Blacks aren't about to join a party in which reside the very racists who would just as soon undo the gains of Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts.

Interestingly enough, as go evangelicals, blacks as individuals are theologically in lock-step with them, but they aren't keen on legislating Biblical proscriptions even as they will in general and if at all possible/practical accede to what the Bible tells them to do. Blacks have 250+ years of being forced to do and not do. That's why they oppose evangelically driven legislation. Not because they think having abortions is a good thing. Not because they are keen on gays.

Another problem, a very big one, is that Trump talks about black people to white people, not to black people, and he does it in what seem to be among the most lily white places left in the U.S. WTF? Who does that...and why, for Christ's sake? When did happen in the past? When Southern white racists talked to each other about blacks and then when out and lynched them. If Trump has something to say about black folks, he needs to go say it before them so they can look him in the eye and gauge his sincerity level.

That Trump has lieds and prevaricated his way to the nomination doesn't help, particularly when the thing to do in order to truly be something different from what everyone is used would have been to tell the straight up truth and let the chips fall where they may. I happen to think it's a damn shame he didn't for had he, he'd be having no issues now, but "too much water is under the bridge now;" the trust has been broken. Trump didn't have to say crap like "58% of your teens are unemployed" when the official figure is 14%.

You know why? Because 100% of black parents know whether their teen is looking for work and can't find it; therefore the 15% that is the published figure is plenty bad enough. No need to embellish. That's another thing blacks aren't keen on. Blacks have had some 250+ years of rosy outlooks and overly grand promises that never panned out. Donald "It's all going grand, believe me" Trump, when he pushes the limits of credibility does not look or sound any different to black ears. Believe me, black folks are far happier with the modest truth than with the grand lies and false prophecies. (In that regard, I guess I'm black too because I don't need that crap either.)

Lastly on this line of thought, for blacks, it comes down to the "devil you know" vs. the "devil you don't who can't tell the truth to save his or your life."



Looking at things with a more empirical eye:

• UNDER DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS, MINORITIES MAKE ECONOMIC GAINS - AND SO DO WHITES
  
  Using data from the U.S. Census to track annual changes in income, poverty, and unemployment over the past five decades, we asked how each of America’s major ethnic groups has fared under Democratic or Republican presidents. Our findings are striking. When Republicans are in the White House, minorities generally lose ground. But Democratic presidents have presided over steady and substantial improvements for communities of color – and the nation as a whole.
  
  Economic outcomes clearly diverge under Democratic versus Republican presidents – especially for African Americans.
  • Under Democratic presidents, black families’ incomes grew on average $895 dollars annually, but grew only by $142 dollars under Republicans. The black unemployment rate fell by a net 7.9 percentage points across the 26 years of Democratic leadership, but went up by a net of 13.7 points during 28 years of Republican presidencies. Across the years of Democratic leadership, black poverty declined by a net of 23.6 percentage points, but grew by three points when Republicans held the White House
  
  Could the Trends be Coincidental?
  Like all social scientists, we probed our data to see if the racial and ethnic trends might be explained away by other factors. Perhaps Democratic presidents have gotten lucky and presided over expanding economies, while Republican leaders have happened to win office in depressed times. Three different sets of analyses suggest that this is not the case:
  • Partisan differences persist after one takes into account the overall state of the economy or other longer-term trends in U.S. well-being. Controlling for inflation and changes in the gross national product, and considering other factors like oil prices and the proportion of adults in the work force, we find similarly large gains for minorities under Democrats and equally sharp losses under Republicans.
    
    
  • The partisan trends are remarkably consistent over many years. Black incomes grew in 77% of the years that Democrats held the presidency; black poverty declined in 88% of those years; and black unemployment fell in 71% of those years. In sharp contrast, blacks more often than not lost under Republican administrations.
    
    
  • The longer Democratic administrations are in office, the more they appear to be able to help African Americans and other minorities experience economic gains, while the longer Republican administrations hold office, the more the fortunes of these groups suffer.
  
  It is not just that Democrats inherit good economies and Republicans are bequeathed bad economies. Everything points to a real and substantial partisan divergence.
  
  
  
• Under Democrats, blacks gain ever more political power.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yeah.....

Looks like two young men exercising their second amendment rights

The NRA should be proud

What are you talking about?
The second amendment doesn't give you the right to carry a club to a polling place so you can scare whites into not voting.

What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand

Maybe the NRA can explain it to you

I understand better than you, apparently.

There is no right to carry a night stick in the Constitution.

You have no idea what arms are

Would you feel better if those two fine black gentlemen were carrying AK 47s?

They had no business being there carrying any weapon of any kind. Especially using it in a threatening manner.

 

[Faun]

Discouraging any eligible citizen from voting should be a felony! And anyone fomenting such unCOnstitutional activity should lose their right to vote.

Yeah.....

Looks like two young men exercising their second amendment rights

The NRA should be proud

What are you talking about?
The second amendment doesn't give you the right to carry a club to a polling place so you can scare whites into not voting.

What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand

Maybe the NRA can explain it to you

I understand better than you, apparently.

There is no right to carry a night stick in the Constitution.

It's not? You know "arms" can be any weapon, right? Doesn't have to be a firearm.

 

[hadit]

It's a valid question. When you've been voting for democrats for decades and you're still complaining about the same things you were complaining about when you started, why are you still doing it?

 

[JQPublic1]

Today Asians vote Democrat and they have the reputation being the smartest people around. Could that motivation be the same as that of Blacks… Obviously, it is. Asians, like Blacks and Jews, saw the shift in political paradigms in the 60sand they see who their real political enemies are…they are all ensconced within the GOP!

Bullshit. The dems have convinced each group that they could subdivide that they will give each special favors and they have had their media outlets progagandize for them. That especially appeals to the young, definitely not the smartest people around.

Just what "dems" are doing all of this convincing, Be specific, your broad brush strokes are flying right off the canvas. Somehow you think your "superior" insight gives you far more political perspicacity than Asians, Jews and Blacks who have rallied together in the face of RW hegemony and the spiteful populist appeal of RW demagoguery ..aka. Donald Trump.

 

[owebo]

What have the Democrats done for blacks?

Truly, this election cycle it's far easier to address why not Trump and the GOP than it is to speak to why Mrs. Clinton and Democrats.

I don't know why this question keeps coming up, perhaps because it's a question for which extant history is convoluted to say the least, thereby offering ample fodder for a host of lines of argumentation using facts that are facts and that are equally incredulous to many Americans. For example, there's the curious passing of the Civil Rights Act and the fact that a Democratic President got it passed, and, yes, I'm well aware that he did so with more GOP votes than Democrat votes. The fact remains that up until the 1960s, blacks were as reliably Republican as they are Democrat today.

Thinking about "what happened" to the GOP and it's strong black support, the answers seems pretty simple to me:

• Eisenhower won on his personal charisma, but the rest of the GOP lost in Congress.
• Democrats knew they were up for a loss in 1960 if they couldn't capture black votes, so they got Kennedy to announce that he'd push for civil rights legislation, which, frankly he was more indifferent about than for or against.
• Johnson got the Civil Rights and the Voting Rights Acts passed, even though he was dyed in the wool racist. For the Democrats of the day, it was a beautiful implementation of "keep your friends close and your enemies closer." That didn't really change much about the Democratic party -- many of the claims the GOP make today would have been spot on in the 1970s and 1980s.
• Reagan also won and he too was no friend of blacks even though he was a Republican.
• Bill Clinton was the Democrat that is when it became that the Democratic party became the right party for blacks

Between Reagan and Clinton, the racists who remained in the Democratic party began their exodus landing in the GOP, "pulled" by Reagan and "pushed out" by Clinton. Today, we have Trump and his racist remarks and so on. Additionally, the GOP is chock full of the one group of whites who are least amenable to black advancement: working class whites, most especially white males in that segment of the population.

There's nothing shocking about why there's animosity between the two groups: in many cases they are direct competitors for the same low skill jobs, and the whites in that strata see blacks getting affirmative action (AA) when they cannot. They also see blacks who maximize the benefit of AA stepping past them on the socioeconomic ladder, the steps of that ladder, in their fathers' and grandfathers' days, quite simply were not accessible to blacks. Thus back then even if the working class whites didn't move up the ladder, they weren't at the very bottom of it.

Next we got the "Bible thumping" Bush who with his throngs of evangelicals telling anyone whom they could what one should and should not do or believe because the Bible says so. Well, blacks knew from years of oppression by Southern Baptists and the like exactly what that portended and they wanted no part of it. That wing of the GOP is still "there" and strong. Then along comes Trump who from day one of his candidacy opts to play to the sentiments of working class whites with his hardline message toward immigrants. Now there are two major segments of the GOP that oppose the very things that low income blacks rely upon: abortions, because one of the few free forms of entertainment is sex, and assurances that as blacks they will be assured a shot at job and college admission opportunities. Then you have GOP leaders and grassroots members denying that AA is designed and intended to ensure opportunity access at a class level and the deal is sealed.

Blacks end up looking at the GOP and seeing threats coming from multiple angles and nothing in the GOP keeping those segments at bay. At that point, the question of "what have you to lose" is easily answered: distance from straight up racists and whatever they happen want, blacks' ability to get an abortion if they need to, acceptance to a good college if they do reasonably well in high school, the freedom of not being told what they should or should not think/do. Blacks aren't about to join a party in which reside the very racists who would just as soon undo the gains of Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts.

Interestingly enough, as go evangelicals, blacks as individuals are theologically in lock-step with them, but they aren't keen on legislating Biblical proscriptions even as they will in general and if at all possible/practical accede to what the Bible tells them to do. Blacks have 250+ years of being forced to do and not do. That's why they oppose evangelically driven legislation. Not because they think having abortions is a good thing. Not because they are keen on gays.

Another problem, a very big one, is that Trump talks about black people to white people, not to black people, and he does it in what seem to be among the most lily white places left in the U.S. WTF? Who does that...and why, for Christ's sake? When did happen in the past? When Southern white racists talked to each other about blacks and then when out and lynched them. If Trump has something to say about black folks, he needs to go say it before them so they can look him in the eye and gauge his sincerity level.

That Trump has lieds and prevaricated his way to the nomination doesn't help, particularly when the thing to do in order to truly be something different from what everyone is used would have been to tell the straight up truth and let the chips fall where they may. I happen to think it's a damn shame he didn't for had he, he'd be having no issues now, but "too much water is under the bridge now;" the trust has been broken. Trump didn't have to say crap like "58% of your teens are unemployed" when the official figure is 14%.

You know why? Because 100% of black parents know whether their teen is looking for work and can't find it; therefore the 15% that is the published figure is plenty bad enough. No need to embellish. That's another thing blacks aren't keen on. Blacks have had some 250+ years of rosy outlooks and overly grand promises that never panned out. Donald "It's all going grand, believe me" Trump, when he pushes the limits of credibility does not look or sound any different to black ears. Believe me, black folks are far happier with the modest truth than with the grand lies and false prophecies. (In that regard, I guess I'm black too because I don't need that crap either.)

Lastly on this line of thought, for blacks, it comes down to the "devil you know" vs. the "devil you don't who can't tell the truth to save his or your life."



Looking at things with a more empirical eye:

• UNDER DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS, MINORITIES MAKE ECONOMIC GAINS - AND SO DO WHITES
  
  Using data from the U.S. Census to track annual changes in income, poverty, and unemployment over the past five decades, we asked how each of America’s major ethnic groups has fared under Democratic or Republican presidents. Our findings are striking. When Republicans are in the White House, minorities generally lose ground. But Democratic presidents have presided over steady and substantial improvements for communities of color – and the nation as a whole.
  
  Economic outcomes clearly diverge under Democratic versus Republican presidents – especially for African Americans.
  • Under Democratic presidents, black families’ incomes grew on average $895 dollars annually, but grew only by $142 dollars under Republicans. The black unemployment rate fell by a net 7.9 percentage points across the 26 years of Democratic leadership, but went up by a net of 13.7 points during 28 years of Republican presidencies. Across the years of Democratic leadership, black poverty declined by a net of 23.6 percentage points, but grew by three points when Republicans held the White House
  
  Could the Trends be Coincidental?
  Like all social scientists, we probed our data to see if the racial and ethnic trends might be explained away by other factors. Perhaps Democratic presidents have gotten lucky and presided over expanding economies, while Republican leaders have happened to win office in depressed times. Three different sets of analyses suggest that this is not the case:
  • Partisan differences persist after one takes into account the overall state of the economy or other longer-term trends in U.S. well-being. Controlling for inflation and changes in the gross national product, and considering other factors like oil prices and the proportion of adults in the work force, we find similarly large gains for minorities under Democrats and equally sharp losses under Republicans.
    
    
  • The partisan trends are remarkably consistent over many years. Black incomes grew in 77% of the years that Democrats held the presidency; black poverty declined in 88% of those years; and black unemployment fell in 71% of those years. In sharp contrast, blacks more often than not lost under Republican administrations.
    
    
  • The longer Democratic administrations are in office, the more they appear to be able to help African Americans and other minorities experience economic gains, while the longer Republican administrations hold office, the more the fortunes of these groups suffer.
  
  It is not just that Democrats inherit good economies and Republicans are bequeathed bad economies. Everything points to a real and substantial partisan divergence.
  
  
  
• Under Democrats, blacks gain ever more political power.

So, you are a champion of your democrats bigotry of low expectations of blacks...go figure....

 

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Yeah.....

Looks like two young men exercising their second amendment rights

The NRA should be proud

What are you talking about?
The second amendment doesn't give you the right to carry a club to a polling place so you can scare whites into not voting.

What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand

Maybe the NRA can explain it to you

I understand better than you, apparently.

There is no right to carry a night stick in the Constitution.

It's not? You know "arms" can be any weapon, right? Doesn't have to be a firearm.

You mean lol me 'shall not infringe' means the .gov can regulate?