Trump wants to allow religious institutions to openly advocate political views - tax-exempt

[Billy_Kinetta]

Well, that is the overall stupidest thing I've read all week. Congratulations.

You might check the 1st again, but if you didn't get it the first time, progress is unlikely.

I did check the 1st....and YOU said there was no separation of church and state. Do you not realize what that means?

I did not. I said the phrase does not legally have Constitutional weight.

The 1st states "Congress shall make no law". It doesn't mean sometimes is okay.

Yes or no....there is "separation of church and state" protected by the Constitution?

What is there about "Congress shall make no law" that confuses you?

Why can't you give me a yes or no?

Because I choose not to make things simple.

Do you understand the first words of the 1st Amendment? What do they mean?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

An amendment, pushed by Lyndon Johnson, many years ago, threatens religious institutions with a loss of their tax-exempt status if they openly advocate their political views.

I am going to work very hard to repeal that language and protect free speech for all Americans.

Read The Draft Text Of Donald Trump's 2016 Republican National Convention Speech

So much for the separation of church and state.

Bet you have no problem with Unions being tax exempt.

 

[Dreadnaught1968]

All religious institutions should lose tax-exempt status whether they advocate political views or not.

So should groups like Media Matters...

 

[ChrisL]

I prefer the term natural rights. No "creator" gave them to us.

Natural rights given to you by whom? Those that have the guns?

Why do you think your rights have been "given" to you? They just are based upon instinct!

Because the Bible says so...and our founding fathers believed so as well....that's why. What we have now in this country that is no longer home of the brave or home of the brave is a bunch of sheeple that don't have the slightest clue as to how we have been used and manipulated....and excuse me for saying this...but since I started down this road and learned how things REALLY work and how they really are, I have become a bit of a snob and I have very little patience here of late for those that do not understand what we are up against.

MANY people don't share your biblical beliefs! Understand that.

And I am fine with that many don't believe....but leave me the fuck alone and let me live my life the way I see fit. Don't bring your little piss ant code enforcers onto my property and tell me that I can't collect rain water....don't tell me how big or small the garden in my back yard can be. I don't NEED permission to do these things. If I want to paint my house in exotic colors? That's my fucking business because it's MY property....if I want to let my grass grow higher than 6 inches before I cut it? Deal with it....it's not my neighbors that have to deal with it. If they mind their own business, then they will have all they can handle. I have had it up to my neck with this federal "gubermint" entity" that is a for profit corporation and I give them the double middle finger salute every chance I get. I make it my business to be a thorn in their side....fuck'em......fuck them eight ways to Sunday. I despise this corporate entity that lamely attempts to pass themselves off as a legitimate governmental body and let me tell ya, they don't like the fact that I point it out.....fuck 'em...they can eat shit and die.

You are a nut job. An absolute nut.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

An amendment, pushed by Lyndon Johnson, many years ago, threatens religious institutions with a loss of their tax-exempt status if they openly advocate their political views.

I am going to work very hard to repeal that language and protect free speech for all Americans.

Read The Draft Text Of Donald Trump's 2016 Republican National Convention Speech

So much for the separation of church and state.

Tell us how it is illegal for a religious institution/person to advocate a political view?

 

[martybegan]

If they give out tax exemptions to all religions and don't pick and choose, I don't see it as getting involved. Also, since atheistic groups can get tax exempt status as non-profits they can also achieve the same benefits, and ironically don't have the same limitations on political speech.

And why should a government be "hostile" towards a given religion? are you talking about a response to words or actions?

But then they'll have to pick and choose. Otherwise Walmart could declare themselves a religious institution.

Considering they make a profit, that would be a no-go.

Not necessarily. There's always a way around this. However do churches not make a profit? Do they not spend their money? It all starts getting rather dark and sinister. If I run a business and all profits go into my bank account for my own use, isn't that the same as me running a church and doing the same thing?

Not really, and because non-profits claim tax immunity, they have to open their books as wide as a 10 lane highway to the IRS to show that no funny business is going on. At that point the IRS says "nuh uh" and away goes your tax exempt status.

The closest real example you can probably find is Scientology, and the IRS dogged their asses for decades, only giving up because the Scientologists evidently had better lawyers, and a TON of money they needed to keep in the hide-y hole. For most people, it wouldn't be worth the effort.

But then isn't there an element of picking and choosing? This is the issue here. Scientology, did they pick and choose whether to give them the exemption? Do they know what's going on? Profit being made? Etc.

There is always some room for "picking and choosing". The Scientology case is unique, due to the combination of powerful people who are adherents, and their overwhelming amount of lawyers they throw at anything that looks at them sideways.

Scientology is an example of an abuse of the system maybe, but it isn't a reason to throw out the system all together.

 

[Lakhota]

Tax churches like business.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Once again the far left shows they do not understand the Constitution..

See the far left hates Freedom of Speech!

They hate religion as well. They hate God.

And they hate the idea that anyone has a right to hold and express opinions that disagree wit their own. They especially hate when those who disagree with their view on how this country should be governed are given a fair voice.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

This is the same kind of shit that is going on in Turkey right now. The religious nutz and fundies want to rule.

Here, in the U.S., it's the Godless, and the criminals, and the perverts who want to rule, and who are being given undue power.

 

[hadit]

Tax churches like business.

They're not businesses.

 

[frigidweirdo]

But then they'll have to pick and choose. Otherwise Walmart could declare themselves a religious institution.

Considering they make a profit, that would be a no-go.

Not necessarily. There's always a way around this. However do churches not make a profit? Do they not spend their money? It all starts getting rather dark and sinister. If I run a business and all profits go into my bank account for my own use, isn't that the same as me running a church and doing the same thing?

Not really, and because non-profits claim tax immunity, they have to open their books as wide as a 10 lane highway to the IRS to show that no funny business is going on. At that point the IRS says "nuh uh" and away goes your tax exempt status.

The closest real example you can probably find is Scientology, and the IRS dogged their asses for decades, only giving up because the Scientologists evidently had better lawyers, and a TON of money they needed to keep in the hide-y hole. For most people, it wouldn't be worth the effort.

But then isn't there an element of picking and choosing? This is the issue here. Scientology, did they pick and choose whether to give them the exemption? Do they know what's going on? Profit being made? Etc.

There is always some room for "picking and choosing". The Scientology case is unique, due to the combination of powerful people who are adherents, and their overwhelming amount of lawyers they throw at anything that looks at them sideways.

Scientology is an example of an abuse of the system maybe, but it isn't a reason to throw out the system all together.

Of course, and I think you've got a great example there. Problem comes when others want to abuse it too. Why not just not have tax free for anything? Would seem to then get rid of the abuse. Why is religion special?

 

[hadit]

An amendment, pushed by Lyndon Johnson, many years ago, threatens religious institutions with a loss of their tax-exempt status if they openly advocate their political views.

I am going to work very hard to repeal that language and protect free speech for all Americans.

Read The Draft Text Of Donald Trump's 2016 Republican National Convention Speech

So much for the separation of church and state.

Tell us how it is illegal for a religious institution/person to advocate a political view?

Of course it's not illegal. democrat candidates regularly pop up in churches looking for donations and giving political speeches. It's what they do.

 

[ChrisL]

Isn't the only reason why the churches are tax exempt because of charitable donations?

 

[ChrisL]

These churches need to concentrate more on their charitable work, rather than involve themselves in politics. Their work is to help needy people.

 

[SmokeALib]

Democrats don't go to church anyway. Everybody knows that 99.9 percent of Christians vote conservative. So what's the point? Or, as Hillary would say - what difference does it make?

 

[Weatherman2020]

An amendment, pushed by Lyndon Johnson, many years ago, threatens religious institutions with a loss of their tax-exempt status if they openly advocate their political views.

I am going to work very hard to repeal that language and protect free speech for all Americans.

Read The Draft Text Of Donald Trump's 2016 Republican National Convention Speech

So much for the separation of church and state.

The smell of fear is invigorating.

 

[ChrisL]

I hate going to church. Church sucks.

 

[jc456]

An amendment, pushed by Lyndon Johnson, many years ago, threatens religious institutions with a loss of their tax-exempt status if they openly advocate their political views.

I am going to work very hard to repeal that language and protect free speech for all Americans.

Read The Draft Text Of Donald Trump's 2016 Republican National Convention Speech

So much for the separation of church and state.

Why does the government get to talk about religion, and those institutions can't defend their positions with their congregations? hmmmmm, I love it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

These churches need to concentrate more on their charitable work, rather than involve themselves in politics. Their work is to help needy people.

Atheists lecturing religious people on what they should do. Simply hilarious.

 

[jc456]

An amendment, pushed by Lyndon Johnson, many years ago, threatens religious institutions with a loss of their tax-exempt status if they openly advocate their political views.

I am going to work very hard to repeal that language and protect free speech for all Americans.

Read The Draft Text Of Donald Trump's 2016 Republican National Convention Speech

So much for the separation of church and state.

Tell us how it is illegal for a religious institution/person to advocate a political view?

Of course it's not illegal. democrat candidates regularly pop up in churches looking for donations and giving political speeches. It's what they do.

what was that dudes name reverend wright? hahahahahahahahahaha yeppers.