Trumps "immunity" defence is punctured by the first question

[kyzr]

Biden had the backing of Prez Obama, the EU, the US Congress. IOWs he followed orders and showed what a great Statesman can do when he needed to.

Bullshit. Those are lies. The main reason the US backed the loans was because of Shokin.

 

[Winston]

The discussion was not about presidents killing presidents. The discussion is about Trump's lawyers being asked if a president should have immunity for killing foreign leaders and I pointed out that we have done that, even under Biden.

Where the hell do you people come up with this bullshit. The question was, does immunity mean the president can sell presidential pardons, sell military secrets, or assassinate political opponents, without criminal repercussions.

 

[kyzr]

Yes, it was a bullshit argument. You and I are in agreement.

Unfortunately for Trump and you MAGA morons, there is no "good" argument to justify Trump avoiding prosecution for his treasonous activities on Jan 6.

What treasonous activities? He held a rally.

 

[Thanos]

Utter bullshit and typical of leftoids.

However, playing along with the idiot Biden appointed judge, sure. Then the House impeaches and the Senate convicts, and per the Framers he could then be charged.

OTOH, that President could pardon himself before being removed and then no charges.

Øbama who ordered the drone killing of two American citizens comes to mind. But e didn't pardon himself. Oops.

The Constitution says nothing about this, gomer.

Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal process.

One has nothing to do with the other.

 

[Thanos]

What treasonous activities? He held a rally.

Fake elector scheme, kleetus....which I'm sure you probably know very little about.

 

[Thanos]

I think it's a good sign the DemoKrauts and their Media lackeys have gone full retard with scare tactics about Trump.

That's one interpretation...from the Kleetus School Of Law.

 

[IM2]

Utter bullshit and typical of leftoids.

However, playing along with the idiot Biden appointed judge, sure. Then the House impeaches and the Senate convicts, and per the Framers he could then be charged.

OTOH, that President could pardon himself before being removed and then no charges.

Øbama who ordered the drone killing of two American citizens comes to mind. But e didn't pardon himself. Oops.

Stop being disingenuous you lying sack. Where did Obama kill 2 U.S. citizens? And describe exactly what they were doing.

 

[IM2]

That's one interpretation...from the Kleetus School Of Law.

Taught by Professor Jethro Bodine.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Gotta love watching Republicans move the Goalposts to meet your needs

Dont want to Impeach after Trump is President?
Claim you can’t do it

Need to claim Impeachment is needed before you can criminally convict an ex President?
Claim you can impeach anytime

Shameless

 

[rightwinger]

What happens if criminal acts of a President are not identified till long after he left office?

You can’t arrest him till an impeachment takes place?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Trump team argues assassination of rivals is covered by presidential immunity

Former President Trump’s legal team suggested Tuesday that even a president directing SEAL Team Six to kill a political opponent would be an action barred from prosecution given a former executive&…

thehill.com

The people that are arguing that President Biden is abusing his office because a Special Counsel has indicted his political rival, is now arguing a President can KILL his political opponent and get away with it, providing he isn't impeached for the deed or resigns if impeachment looms. Feel free to justify it.

Judge Michelle Childs, a Biden appointee, noted that a president could resign rather than face impeachment, something that under the framework of Trump’s attorneys would allow them to dodge future prosecution.

lol…you all are reading waaaaay too much into this. It was a hypothetical…nobody is suggesting he would actually do that.

Again, this isn’t trump talking, it’s his lawyer…

 

[White 6]

It was a bullshit argument.

Seal Team 6 would never carry out an illegal order.

Trump's lawyer should have had a better answer.

Good grief! How many times have I told you people about Republican lawyers. This was just another lame trump lawyer, with another lame republican argument, as if having no understanding of the law or the constitution.
If you want a publicity guy, get a republican lawyer. If you need a real lawyer, head on down the street as the republican lawyers are no good in a courtroom, or in front of a judge. They can only get by, in front of a right wing news pundit or people on the street that wish to believe, without need for real law, understanding of courts, the Constitution, or even guidance by right and wrong. We have seen this again, and again and again, especially since 2020.

 

[Rumpole]

Biden abused his power to extort Zelensky to fire Shokin. Biden got himself.

Poroshenko was the leader of Ukraine when Shokin was Prosecutor General, do your fucking homework. There was no extortion. Biden used the leverage of the state department to get shokin fired because shokin wasn't prosecuting corruption in Ukraine. Extortion is a crime where the person doing the extorting extracts a personal benefit by threatening exposure of someone doing something wrong. That's not what happened here. Do your homework and gets your facts straight. Getting Shokin fired, at the time, was backed by both Republicans and Democrats, the the state department, the international monetary fund and that of our allies. Obama and the IMF wanted shokin fired so they could be assured that aid to that country wouldn't be diverted for corrupt purposes. No one gave a shit about it until Joe became president. Clearly, the corruption is on right, who propagate lies.

 

[IM2]

Poroshenko was the leader of Ukraine when Shokin was Prosecutor General, do your fucking homework. There was no extortion. Biden used the leverage of the state department to get shokin fired because shokin wasn't prosecuting corruption in Ukraine. Extortion is a crime where the person doing the extorting extracts a personal benefit by threatening exposure of someone doing something wrong. That's not what happened here. Do your homework and gets your facts straight. Getting Shokin fired, at the time, was backed by both Republicans and Democrats, the the state department, the international monetary fund and that of our allies. Obama and the IMF wanted shokin fired so they could be assured that aid to that country wouldn't be diverted for corrupt purposes. No one gave a shit about it until Joe became president. Clearly, the corruption is on right, who propagate lies.

Amen. Preach it!

 

[Lastamender]

Trump didn’t use Seal Team 6 to get Biden
He used Zelensky

How did he get Biden? You think Biden won. So what happened?

 

[IM2]

How did he get Biden? You think Biden won. So what happened?

Biden did win.

 

[MinTrut]

The claim is the president has immunity. It is not a conditional immunity, it is not dependent upon the severity of the criminal action. It is immunity, period. The que stion was more than justified. And the argument is absolutely STUPID. I mean hell, why did Nixon step down, he had "immunity". You people are some really stupid mofos.

No.

It is - obviously - dependent on severity.

Only a moronic MOFO fails to see this.

Immunity was never intended to offer protection from actions like murdering your political rivals.

 

[MarathonMike]

That's one interpretation...from the Kleetus School Of Law.

You need to find a different source to cut and paste your responses, that makes no sense, Thermos.

 

[MinTrut]

The discussion was not about presidents killing presidents. The discussion is about Trump's lawyers being asked if a president should have immunity for killing foreign leaders and I pointed out that we have done that, even under Biden.

No - domestic rivals were the point of the gotcha spear.

 

[Rumpole]

The founders had not considered Democrats would be taking democracy away.

Yeah, nothing spells 'taking democracy away' like telling your base before the first ballot was cast that the only way your opposition can win is if they rig the election, and telling that lie at every rally, over and over, which developed to the 'stop the steal; mantra, which unleased into a juggernaut of rage on 1/6, killing 5 people and injuring 140, which lead to 45 felony counts for engaging in a conspiracy to subvert the election via a fake elector scheme and a hair brained scheme to force a contested election in order to throw the vote to the house where Repubs knew they had a two state majority in the state delegations which, if successful, would have been a soft coup. Nothing spells democracy like Repubs going around claiming America is not a democracy. Please don't lecture this forum on 'democracy' because Republicans have no clue.