EvilCat Breath
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It was just weeks ago that the left was screaming that Trump was mean to Kim leading to world war three.
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And immediately after that, we get to spend 100's of billions repelling the second invasion of South Korea by North Korea. And tens of thousands of American lives.Our amazing Pres. Trump is already talking about reducing the size of the U.S. military presence in South Korea, which is currently around 30,000 soldiers.
This will save the American taxpayer a boatload of money. ....
And immediately after that, we get to spend 100's of billions repelling the second invasion of South Korea by North Korea. And tens of thousands of American lives.Our amazing Pres. Trump is already talking about reducing the size of the U.S. military presence in South Korea, which is currently around 30,000 soldiers.
This will save the American taxpayer a boatload of money. ....
And immediately after that, we get to spend 100's of billions repelling the second invasion of South Korea by North Korea. And tens of thousands of American lives.Our amazing Pres. Trump is already talking about reducing the size of the U.S. military presence in South Korea, which is currently around 30,000 soldiers.
This will save the American taxpayer a boatload of money. ....
You know I think I have heard that word before, and it's entirely possible the north is negotiating in bad faith. It wouldn't be the first time. Regardless, history shows us they're not suicidal, and any missile strike would lead to their destruction. And an invasion would be solidly repelled by the south alone, and there's no question that American troops would be back on the peninsula in short order were an invasion attempted. There's no downside to giving peace a chance here.You've never heard of a ruse before?Why would they? They've had the capability to hit Seoul in a surprise attack for years now, and this during times of greater tension between the two. Why would they do it now while they're getting along better than ever, while they just had a historic meeting with an American president, and while Chinese sanction of their provocative actions is at an all time low? Plus the same math would be in play absent American troops as with them. The north has no hope of invading the south, so their only option would be a surprise missile strike, which they could do, but would lead to their own immediate destruction. This regime has survived for decades, they're not suicidal.
So you believe that if NoKo were to launch a single nuke against SoKo or Japan, the U.S. would retaliate with a full blown nuke strike against NoKo knowing that NoKo would do the same against us? I don't think so.
Having a nuke strike against NoKo as the only option doesn't work.
You think the NKs can even attempt to hit the US with a nuke? Your name is gullible with a capital "G".
I think that NoKo has the missile technology that's at least as advanced as ours was in the 1950s, so they do have the basic capability.
The real question is whether U.S. anti-ballistic missile technology is advanced enough to stop a NoKo missile attack with absolute reliability and in such a scale that it can not be overwelhmed by numbers.
I don't know the answer to that.
Why is that the only option? I said in the post you quoted, "and there's no question that American troops would be back on the peninsula in short order were an invasion attempted." Furthermore, the idea that North Korea could hit the U.S. with a nuke is unrealistic. Seoul? Probably. Japan? Probably not, but maybe. The U.S.? Very unlikely. And yes, I believe that the U.S. would hit them with a nuclear strike that would take out their power structures in very short order wherein no retaliatory strike could even be attempted.You know I think I have heard that word before, and it's entirely possible the north is negotiating in bad faith. It wouldn't be the first time. Regardless, history shows us they're not suicidal, and any missile strike would lead to their destruction. And an invasion would be solidly repelled by the south alone, and there's no question that American troops would be back on the peninsula in short order were an invasion attempted. There's no downside to giving peace a chance here.You've never heard of a ruse before?Why would they? They've had the capability to hit Seoul in a surprise attack for years now, and this during times of greater tension between the two. Why would they do it now while they're getting along better than ever, while they just had a historic meeting with an American president, and while Chinese sanction of their provocative actions is at an all time low? Plus the same math would be in play absent American troops as with them. The north has no hope of invading the south, so their only option would be a surprise missile strike, which they could do, but would lead to their own immediate destruction. This regime has survived for decades, they're not suicidal.
So you believe that if NoKo were to launch a single nuke against SoKo or Japan, the U.S. would retaliate with a full blown nuke strike against NoKo knowing that NoKo would do the same against us? I don't think so.
Having a nuke strike against NoKo as the only option doesn't work.
First, a U.S. force returning to Korea would take an awful lot of time.
Second, if we did hit them with nukes, they'd level Seoul in minutes.
Third, if we hit them with nukes, the fallout would blow over SoKo & China causing massive casualties in both countries and possible provoking a war with China.
" Some people' are idiots. SK will mop the peninsula with their asses. NK is a shit show. Maybe this lil fat fuck sees how awesome SK, Singapore, Malaysia, VN and other places actually are and wants to join the club ?Except Japan and South Korea are protected under our nuclear umbrella. People worry that the two countries would feel compelled to get nukes if we pull out. Now I don't understand why that would be, since if we can hit NoKo from our silos in the Midwest, we can protect Japan and SoKo from the same silos. However, that is what some people are worrying about.I hope our wonderful Pres. Trump also draws down the number of U.S. soldiers stationed around the numerous military bases in Germany and Japan, which currently is around 40,000 troops in each country.
WWll has been over for 70+ years.
Time to fold the tent and return home. ....
Personally, I think it would be great if we could remove our military from SoKo and quit threatening NoKo by our very presence. Some people think if we left, though, NoKo would march into the South and take over.
It would be nice, but it won't happen until well after we know they have denuked and followed through on other agreements.Our amazing Pres. Trump is already talking about reducing the size of the U.S. military presence in South Korea, which is currently around 30,000 soldiers.
This will save the American taxpayer a boatload of money. ....
" Some people' are idiots. SK will mop the peninsula with their asses. ...Except Japan and South Korea are protected under our nuclear umbrella. People worry that the two countries would feel compelled to get nukes if we pull out. Now I don't understand why that would be, since if we can hit NoKo from our silos in the Midwest, we can protect Japan and SoKo from the same silos. However, that is what some people are worrying about.I hope our wonderful Pres. Trump also draws down the number of U.S. soldiers stationed around the numerous military bases in Germany and Japan, which currently is around 40,000 troops in each country.
WWll has been over for 70+ years.
Time to fold the tent and return home. ....
Personally, I think it would be great if we could remove our military from SoKo and quit threatening NoKo by our very presence. Some people think if we left, though, NoKo would march into the South and take over.
How do you know? Something brought them to the table. Maybe it's a ruse, and history tells us that's entirely possible, but that doesn't mean it's not worth giving diplomacy a chance.So far South Korea is on board with everything Trump has done. These talks wouldn't have even happened if it hadn't been for Moon Jae-in laying the diplomatic groundwork from the beginning. It's far more his victory than Trump's, though Trump obviously deserves plenty of credit for being willing to go along with it.Our amazing Pres. Trump is already talking about reducing the size of the U.S. military presence in South Korea, which is currently around 30,000 soldiers.
This will save the American taxpayer a boatload of money. ....
Yes it will.
The Chinese will be happy.
The North Koreans will be happy.
They're the enemy.
South Koreans less so. They're the allies.
Yes, Trump diplomacy, annoy the crap out of your allies and get played by your enemies. MAIA, Make America Irrelevant Again.
But then something has to give. North Korea doesn't need to give in to anything.
The north has no capability to invade the south. This is not the 1950's.And immediately after that, we get to spend 100's of billions repelling the second invasion of South Korea by North Korea. And tens of thousands of American lives.Our amazing Pres. Trump is already talking about reducing the size of the U.S. military presence in South Korea, which is currently around 30,000 soldiers.
This will save the American taxpayer a boatload of money. ....
The north has no capability to invade the south. This is not the 1950's.And immediately after that, we get to spend 100's of billions repelling the second invasion of South Korea by North Korea. And tens of thousands of American lives.Our amazing Pres. Trump is already talking about reducing the size of the U.S. military presence in South Korea, which is currently around 30,000 soldiers.
This will save the American taxpayer a boatload of money. ....
How do you know? Something brought them to the table. Maybe it's a ruse, and history tells us that's entirely possible, but that doesn't mean it's not worth giving diplomacy a chance.So far South Korea is on board with everything Trump has done. These talks wouldn't have even happened if it hadn't been for Moon Jae-in laying the diplomatic groundwork from the beginning. It's far more his victory than Trump's, though Trump obviously deserves plenty of credit for being willing to go along with it.Our amazing Pres. Trump is already talking about reducing the size of the U.S. military presence in South Korea, which is currently around 30,000 soldiers.
This will save the American taxpayer a boatload of money. ....
Yes it will.
The Chinese will be happy.
The North Koreans will be happy.
They're the enemy.
South Koreans less so. They're the allies.
Yes, Trump diplomacy, annoy the crap out of your allies and get played by your enemies. MAIA, Make America Irrelevant Again.
But then something has to give. North Korea doesn't need to give in to anything.
And yet Kim is at the table to discuss exactly that. Me personally, I don't care if he doesn't give up his nukes. We're friendly with plenty of nuclear powers, and I don't see any reason this should be any different. If Trump can get a deal to make that happen, however, that's excellent.How do you know? Something brought them to the table. Maybe it's a ruse, and history tells us that's entirely possible, but that doesn't mean it's not worth giving diplomacy a chance.So far South Korea is on board with everything Trump has done. These talks wouldn't have even happened if it hadn't been for Moon Jae-in laying the diplomatic groundwork from the beginning. It's far more his victory than Trump's, though Trump obviously deserves plenty of credit for being willing to go along with it.Our amazing Pres. Trump is already talking about reducing the size of the U.S. military presence in South Korea, which is currently around 30,000 soldiers.
This will save the American taxpayer a boatload of money. ....
Yes it will.
The Chinese will be happy.
The North Koreans will be happy.
They're the enemy.
South Koreans less so. They're the allies.
Yes, Trump diplomacy, annoy the crap out of your allies and get played by your enemies. MAIA, Make America Irrelevant Again.
But then something has to give. North Korea doesn't need to give in to anything.
Because Kim Jong Un has said he won't give up his nukes.
Trump has said he won't withdraw troops from South Korea (in order to please the North Koreans, he said he'd do it if South Korea didn't do as he wants though. More contradictions from Trump).
Trump can't be seen to lose.
Kim Jong Un can't be seen to lose.
So, you want a deal where someone has to lose in order for it to happen, and neither side is going to accept that.
It's not going to work.
It's a show. Nothing more. Both of them are in the press, both of them looking good, smiles, doing diplomacy (sort of).
They come away from a meeting with "concessions" which are like kids going "I'll trade you Dan Marino if you give me your Dan Marino card".
And yet Kim is at the table to discuss exactly that. Me personally, I don't care if he doesn't give up his nukes. We're friendly with plenty of nuclear powers, and I don't see any reason this should be any different. If Trump can get a deal to make that happen, however, that's excellent.How do you know? Something brought them to the table. Maybe it's a ruse, and history tells us that's entirely possible, but that doesn't mean it's not worth giving diplomacy a chance.So far South Korea is on board with everything Trump has done. These talks wouldn't have even happened if it hadn't been for Moon Jae-in laying the diplomatic groundwork from the beginning. It's far more his victory than Trump's, though Trump obviously deserves plenty of credit for being willing to go along with it.Yes it will.
The Chinese will be happy.
The North Koreans will be happy.
They're the enemy.
South Koreans less so. They're the allies.
Yes, Trump diplomacy, annoy the crap out of your allies and get played by your enemies. MAIA, Make America Irrelevant Again.
But then something has to give. North Korea doesn't need to give in to anything.
Because Kim Jong Un has said he won't give up his nukes.
Trump has said he won't withdraw troops from South Korea (in order to please the North Koreans, he said he'd do it if South Korea didn't do as he wants though. More contradictions from Trump).
Trump can't be seen to lose.
Kim Jong Un can't be seen to lose.
So, you want a deal where someone has to lose in order for it to happen, and neither side is going to accept that.
It's not going to work.
It's a show. Nothing more. Both of them are in the press, both of them looking good, smiles, doing diplomacy (sort of).
They come away from a meeting with "concessions" which are like kids going "I'll trade you Dan Marino if you give me your Dan Marino card".
It was an implied promise during his campaign. One of the reasons I voted for him.I hope our wonderful Pres. Trump also draws down the number of U.S. soldiers stationed around the numerous military bases in Germany and Japan, which currently is around 40,000 troops in each country.
WWll has been over for 70+ years.
Time to fold the tent and return home. ....
That's true, but should we then preclude the possibility of diplomacy for all time? Times change, and this is a different North Korean leader.And yet Kim is at the table to discuss exactly that. Me personally, I don't care if he doesn't give up his nukes. We're friendly with plenty of nuclear powers, and I don't see any reason this should be any different. If Trump can get a deal to make that happen, however, that's excellent.How do you know? Something brought them to the table. Maybe it's a ruse, and history tells us that's entirely possible, but that doesn't mean it's not worth giving diplomacy a chance.So far South Korea is on board with everything Trump has done. These talks wouldn't have even happened if it hadn't been for Moon Jae-in laying the diplomatic groundwork from the beginning. It's far more his victory than Trump's, though Trump obviously deserves plenty of credit for being willing to go along with it.
But then something has to give. North Korea doesn't need to give in to anything.
Because Kim Jong Un has said he won't give up his nukes.
Trump has said he won't withdraw troops from South Korea (in order to please the North Koreans, he said he'd do it if South Korea didn't do as he wants though. More contradictions from Trump).
Trump can't be seen to lose.
Kim Jong Un can't be seen to lose.
So, you want a deal where someone has to lose in order for it to happen, and neither side is going to accept that.
It's not going to work.
It's a show. Nothing more. Both of them are in the press, both of them looking good, smiles, doing diplomacy (sort of).
They come away from a meeting with "concessions" which are like kids going "I'll trade you Dan Marino if you give me your Dan Marino card".
Not the first time North Korea has been at the table discussing that.
Yes, if Trump were to get a deal, great. But North Korea has done this before, made themselves look important and powerful, and then told the US to "fuck off" a year later.
Your amazing president is averaging 6.5 lies per day. His red hatted goobers can`t get enough.Our amazing Pres. Trump is already talking about reducing the size of the U.S. military presence in South Korea, which is currently around 30,000 soldiers.
This will save the American taxpayer a boatload of money. ....