UK to suspend all weapons to Israel

[Shusha]

You're changing the subject now, knowing fully well that Jews do have certain rights and privileges called out. You've now stopped denying this and started to argue that it's not a big deal because there are other states that do this.

You said there were no privileges and now you admit there are, case closed.

Oh, give me a break. I'm changing the subject?

The Jewish people have the same rights to self-determination as the Arab Palestinians do. Yes. Or. No.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The Jewish people have the same rights to self-determination as the Arab Palestinians do. Yes. Or. No.

No

Do you understand the English phrase "...is exclusive to the..."?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Please do not call someone a liar simply because you disagree with them, here read this for yourself:

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Again, all Israeli citizens have equal rights under the law. Nothing you have posted addresses that fact.

 

[Shusha]

No

Great. I appreciate the confirmation. I am going to continue to call out that you believe that the Jewish people should have lesser or fewer rights than other peoples.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Again, all Israeli citizens have equal rights under the law. Nothing you have posted addresses that fact.

Again you are wrong, look at the text of the law:

The realization of the right to national self determination in the State of Israel is exclusive to the Jewish People.

Do you know the meaning of the word "exclusive"?

 

[Shusha]

No

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1. Straight up fact. Not even a controversial fact.
2. Exerts right to self-determination for the Jewish people. The right to self-determination is either an inherent right of all peoples, or for none. If you believe in the right to self-determination for all peoples, except Jews. Well. There it is.
3. Yes, only the Jewish people would have self-determination in Israel. Just as only the Arab Palestinian people would have the right to self-determination in Palestine. This says nothing about the rights of citizens as individuals. Just that the collective right to self-determination belongs to a collective which can be defined as such.

 

[Lisa558]

Nobody cares if the person is a Jew, it’s Zionists that are the problem be they Jew or gentile.

Then why did the leftists block JEWS from attending class, and assault JEWS on campus, and scream Death to JEWS at Harvard?

Nobody is buying your crap that it’s about Zionists and not Jews. The antisemites make no distinction. The Democrats are the pro-Muslim, anti-Jew Party.

 

[Lisa558]

Oh, give me a break. I'm changing the subject?

The Jewish people have the same rights to self-determination as the Arab Palestinians do. Yes. Or. No.

There are at least a dozen Arab countries (that have effectively driven out all Jews, btw), and one little sliver of land for a Jewish country. I just can’t figure out why all these Democrats give a pass to all the antisemitic Arab countries that have ethnically cleansed their land of Jews, and target all their ire solely on the Jewish country that has 20% of its citizens Muslim.

I suppose I will never figure it out.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Again you are wrong, look at the text of the law:



Do you know the meaning of the word "exclusive"?

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Individual Jews and Arab citizens have equal rights under the law. The fact that you object to Israel being the homeland of the Jews is not relevant to the issue of individual rights under the law. Equal rights under the law makes Israel a liberal democracy and an egalitarian society.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You guys are too much, utterly oblivious to the harsh reality of life

1. Straight up fact. Not even a controversial fact.
2. Exerts right to self-determination for the Jewish people. The right to self-determination is either an inherent right of all peoples, or for none. If you believe in the right to self-determination for all peoples, except Jews. Well. There it is.
3. Yes, only the Jewish people would have self-determination in Israel. Just as only the Arab Palestinian people would have the right to self-determination in Palestine. This says nothing about the rights of citizens as individuals. Just that the collective right to self-determination belongs to a collective which can be defined as such.

So you agree? a Jew citizen in Israel is granted the "right to national self determination" and that right is not granted to non-Jews?

How is that equitable? how is that egalitarian?

In the United States any citizen can participate in the pursuit of self determination, not just White citizens.

You said "Just as only the Arab Palestinian people would have the right to self-determination in Palestine" but that's not true, there is no legal foundation for Palestine (yet) and I doubt it would be concerned with "Arab" people, for the very good reason it is not testable/provable it is silly, you remark is speculative.

Jews in Britain have the same right to self determination as Palestinians or Eskimos or Japanese, every citizen has the same rights NO MATTER their ethnicity or ancestry.

Israel is a JEW SUPREMACIST STATE when will you wake up !!!

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Individual Jews and Arab citizens have equal rights under the law. The fact that you object to Israel being the homeland of the Jews is not relevant to the issue of individual rights under the law. Equal rights under the law makes Israel a liberal democracy and an egalitarian society.

Very well, you do not know the meaning of the word "exclusive" and therefore that explains why you do not understand Israel's racist basic laws.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Then why did the leftists block JEWS from attending class, and assault JEWS on campus, and scream Death to JEWS at Harvard?

What on earth is a "leftist"?

Nobody is buying your crap that it’s about Zionists and not Jews. The antisemites make no distinction. The Democrats are the pro-Muslim, anti-Jew Party.

You are an antisemite yourself, just like this dumbass blond who's screaming at Jews even cursing, pushing and trying to slap them:



Listen to her too "our people come from Israel" when most Jews in the Levant today are from Europe I mean get an edu-fuckin-cation girl, open a fuckin book or something, obnoxious entitled little so and so.

 

[Shusha]

So you agree? a Jew citizen in Israel is granted the "right to national self determination" and that right is not granted to non-Jews?

How is that equitable? how is that egalitarian?

Sigh. So obtuse. I apply the SAME rights to BOTH peoples.

The Jewish people have a right to self-determination. The Arab Palestinian people have the exact same right to self-determination. See? Same.

The Jewish people have a right to national self-determination. The Arab Palestinian people have the exact same right to national self-determination. See? Same.

The Jewish people have a right to national self-determination in the territory of their historic homeland. The Arab Palestinian people have the exact same right to national self-determination in their historic homeland. See? Same.

A Jewish citizen of Palestine must have the same individual rights as an Arab citizen of Palestine. But the Jewish people in Palestine have no collective rights to self-determination in Palestine. An Arab Palestinian citizen of Israel must have the same individual rights as a Jewish citizen of Israel. But the Arab Palestinian people in Israel have no collective rights to self-determination in Israel. See? Same.


What part of this very simple equality do you disagree with?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Very well, you do not know the meaning of the word "exclusive" and therefore that explains why you do not understand Israel's racist basic laws.

Nothing you have posted contradicts the fact that individual Arab and Jewish citizens of Israel have equal rights under the law and that makes Israel a liberal democracy and an egalitarian society.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Nothing you have posted contradicts the fact that individual Arab and Jewish citizens of Israel have equal rights under the law and that makes Israel a liberal democracy and an egalitarian society.

Nothing you have posted contradicts the fact that the realization of the right to national self determination in the State of Israel is exclusive to the Jewish People.

See the Knesset website for more information, here it is again just for convenicnce:

 

[Shusha]

Jews in Britain have the same right to self determination as Palestinians or Eskimos or Japanese, every citizen has the same rights NO MATTER their ethnicity or ancestry.

You are conflating individual rights with collective rights. Citizens of Japanese descent have equal individual rights in the UK. But citizens of Japanese descent have no collective right to self-determination, self-government, political independence, territorial acquisition in the UK.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The Jewish people have a right to national self-determination. The Arab Palestinian people have the exact same right to national self-determination. See? Same.

This is ridiculous now, the law itself says

The realization of the right to national self determination in the State of Israel is exclusive to the Jewish People

There it is the "right" is EXCLUSIVE to the Jewish people, it is not granted to NON-Jews, they are EXCLUDED.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You are conflating individual rights with collective rights. Citizens of Japanese descent must have equal individual rights in the UK. But citizens of Japanese descent have no collective right to self-determination, self-government, political independence, territorial acquisition in the UK.

Would you object then, if the Knesset one day in the future met and reworded that law as follows:

The realization of the right to national self determination in the State of Israel is exclusive to the Arab People ?

 

[Lisa558]

This is ridiculous now, the law itself says

The realization of the right to national self determination in the State of Israel is exclusive to the Jewish People

There it is the "right" is EXCLUSIVE to the Jewish people, it is not granted to NON-Jews, they are EXCLUDED.

What’s the problem? Jews have being dealing with rabid antisemites like you for 2,000 and they NEED the right to self-determination in at least one country. Otherwise, Jews would have no refuge if Jew-haters like you start another Holocaust, or even move Jews into 2nd class citizenship.

The history of Jewish persecution, expulsions, murders, massacres, and now anti-Jew propaganda being spread by people like you to ramp up support for anti-Jew actions shows why we need a place where we are safe from Gippers and you.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Nothing you have posted contradicts the fact that the realization of the right to national self determination in the State of Israel is exclusive to the Jewish People.

See the Knesset website for more information, here it is again just for convenicnce:

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Apparently, the concept of individual rights under the law is unfamiliar to you since nothing you post addresses it.