Unemployment benefits aren't causing a labor shortage. Low wages are. What if, and this may sound wild, businesses paid low wage workers more

[danielpalos]

Inflation happens anyway. Labor must be able to afford our first world economy, regardless therefore wages should outpace inflation.

Inflation doesn't happen anyways---we are entering hyper inflation and it thanks to Biden and his croonies spend spend print print tax payer money....are throughly fucked and those on the bottom will be hurt the worst.

Yes, it does. Nobody takes right-wingers seriously about economics. Their bigotry provides all answers for them.

Oh for shit sake, STFU with your canned asinine leftard bull shit.

Just when this conversation appears to be going along rather well, one of you toilet tongued leftist shit stains has to come along and puke up your crap.

You shut up first. You have no argument only fallacy and should be ashamed, but You have no moral shame right-winger. How typical for the Right-Wing.

And there ya go, leave it to a leftard to ruin another thread. It's virtually always you people that do it.

You ruined it first with nothing but fallacy instead of the hard work it takes to come up with intelllectual discussions.

 

[danielpalos]

Really no difference between pre-covid wages and post covid. It's just that the unskilled made more money on unemployment with those Federal bumps of $600 and then $300 and got used to laying around and making more. They should have developed some skills in the interim to warrant a better wage when the economy did open up.

How do you "develop" skills? Most of that takes actual schooling. Schooling was a distinct problem during a pandemic. Schooling also coincidentally costs money in the US. 600 doesn't exactly put you on the gravy train anywhere.

I'm Belgian. My wife's American. She lost her job a bit over a year ago. She doesn't just get an actual living wage in unemployment compensation here but she was encouraged to follow a nursing course for free. Result: within another year she'll be an RN. At that time she'll be able to contribute more to society in a profession that has a chronic labor shortage and she'll be able to contribute more taxes than she was able to in her previous job.

That's what happens when you built a society that has an actual interest in helping its citizens instead of being a country that feels that someone only has value if they claw for everything and anything in life and condemn anyone who isn't capable of doing so to destitution.

You failed to mention the effects on a nations economy and wages that flooding it with millions of illegal aliens that have little to no education at all, and can't speak the native language has.

Only illegals don't care about minimum wage laws.

Then why is the democrat party flooding the nation with millions of them?

Only if you appeal to ignorance of what the right wing is doing. How typical of worthless right-wingers.

 

[007]

Really no difference between pre-covid wages and post covid. It's just that the unskilled made more money on unemployment with those Federal bumps of $600 and then $300 and got used to laying around and making more. They should have developed some skills in the interim to warrant a better wage when the economy did open up.

How do you "develop" skills? Most of that takes actual schooling. Schooling was a distinct problem during a pandemic. Schooling also coincidentally costs money in the US. 600 doesn't exactly put you on the gravy train anywhere.

I'm Belgian. My wife's American. She lost her job a bit over a year ago. She doesn't just get an actual living wage in unemployment compensation here but she was encouraged to follow a nursing course for free. Result: within another year she'll be an RN. At that time she'll be able to contribute more to society in a profession that has a chronic labor shortage and she'll be able to contribute more taxes than she was able to in her previous job.

That's what happens when you built a society that has an actual interest in helping its citizens instead of being a country that feels that someone only has value if they claw for everything and anything in life and condemn anyone who isn't capable of doing so to destitution.

You failed to mention the effects on a nations economy and wages that flooding it with millions of illegal aliens that have little to no education at all, and can't speak the native language has.

Only illegals don't care about minimum wage laws.

Then why is the democrat party flooding the nation with millions of them?

Only if you appeal to ignorance of what the right wing is doing. How typical of worthless right-wingers.

Can't even answer a simple question. You are a stupid democrat twit.

 

[danielpalos]

Really no difference between pre-covid wages and post covid. It's just that the unskilled made more money on unemployment with those Federal bumps of $600 and then $300 and got used to laying around and making more. They should have developed some skills in the interim to warrant a better wage when the economy did open up.

How do you "develop" skills? Most of that takes actual schooling. Schooling was a distinct problem during a pandemic. Schooling also coincidentally costs money in the US. 600 doesn't exactly put you on the gravy train anywhere.

I'm Belgian. My wife's American. She lost her job a bit over a year ago. She doesn't just get an actual living wage in unemployment compensation here but she was encouraged to follow a nursing course for free. Result: within another year she'll be an RN. At that time she'll be able to contribute more to society in a profession that has a chronic labor shortage and she'll be able to contribute more taxes than she was able to in her previous job.

That's what happens when you built a society that has an actual interest in helping its citizens instead of being a country that feels that someone only has value if they claw for everything and anything in life and condemn anyone who isn't capable of doing so to destitution.

You failed to mention the effects on a nations economy and wages that flooding it with millions of illegal aliens that have little to no education at all, and can't speak the native language has.

Only illegals don't care about minimum wage laws.

Then why is the democrat party flooding the nation with millions of them?

Only if you appeal to ignorance of what the right wing is doing. How typical of worthless right-wingers.

Can't even answer a simple question. You are a stupid democrat twit.

You can answer even less. Show us the express Immigration clause right-wingers don't just make stuff and claim you are not "illegals".

 

[expat_panama]

More drivel. Companies are jacking wages....offering bonus' and anything else they can think of to draw them

You're absolutely right. Wages & benifits have been soaring at over 3% while the cpi --while bouncing around a bit-- has averaged below 2%.:

 

[forkup]

Really no difference between pre-covid wages and post covid. It's just that the unskilled made more money on unemployment with those Federal bumps of $600 and then $300 and got used to laying around and making more. They should have developed some skills in the interim to warrant a better wage when the economy did open up.

How do you "develop" skills? Most of that takes actual schooling. Schooling was a distinct problem during a pandemic. Schooling also coincidentally costs money in the US. 600 doesn't exactly put you on the gravy train anywhere.

I'm Belgian. My wife's American. She lost her job a bit over a year ago. She doesn't just get an actual living wage in unemployment compensation here but she was encouraged to follow a nursing course for free. Result: within another year she'll be an RN. At that time she'll be able to contribute more to society in a profession that has a chronic labor shortage and she'll be able to contribute more taxes than she was able to in her previous job.

That's what happens when you built a society that has an actual interest in helping its citizens instead of being a country that feels that someone only has value if they claw for everything and anything in life and condemn anyone who isn't capable of doing so to destitution.

You failed to mention the effects on a nations economy and wages that flooding it with millions of illegal aliens that have little to no education at all, and can't speak the native language has.

Firstly what "flood"? It seems to me that Europe has just as big a refugee problem as the US. Syrian, Iraquee, Congolese, Afghan. All are more likely to end up in Europe. Few speak any of the 3 languages spoken here.

Secondly, these programs have been available for decades here. My brother for instance became an electrician in a similar program over 2 decades ago.

Thirdly, just to be clear. You would support a program that offers free education and decent wages for the unemployed in order for them to learn a trade?

 

[ProfessorHawthorne]

Inflation happens anyway. Labor must be able to afford our first world economy, regardless therefore wages should outpace inflation.

Where did you come up with that?
"Real wages" have not not increased since 1976. If wages constantly outpaced inflation, you would simply have hyper-inflation - people would be making $800/hr and a Big Mac would be $600. Minimum wage jobs add some value to the economy through unskilled labor, but do not move the needle on real productivity. That comes usually when someone designs and produces the automation necessary to replace those unskilled workers.
Perhaps explore the history of Stagflation from the early 70s when union wages were out of control.

Cheers

 

[danielpalos]

Inflation happens anyway. Labor must be able to afford our first world economy, regardless therefore wages should outpace inflation.

Where did you come up with that?
"Real wages" have not not increased since 1976. If wages constantly outpaced inflation, you would simply have hyper-inflation - people would be making $800/hr and a Big Mac would be $600. Minimum wage jobs add some value to the economy through unskilled labor, but do not move the needle on real productivity. That comes usually when someone designs and produces the automation necessary to replace those unskilled workers.
Perhaps explore the history of Stagflation from the early 70s when union wages were out of control.

Cheers

Economics. And, what you allege is not true with supply-side economics. Business simply needs to become more efficient to keep costs low; supply, supply, supply.

 

[Who_Me?]

Inflation happens anyway. Labor must be able to afford our first world economy, regardless therefore wages should outpace inflation.

Where did you come up with that?
"Real wages" have not not increased since 1976. If wages constantly outpaced inflation, you would simply have hyper-inflation - people would be making $800/hr and a Big Mac would be $600. Minimum wage jobs add some value to the economy through unskilled labor, but do not move the needle on real productivity. That comes usually when someone designs and produces the automation necessary to replace those unskilled workers.
Perhaps explore the history of Stagflation from the early 70s when union wages were out of control.

Cheers

Economics. And, what you allege is not true with supply-side economics. Business simply needs to become more efficient to keep costs low; supply, supply, supply.

And efficiency typically means automation which displaces the unskilled $15 - $17/hour worker

 

[danielpalos]

Inflation happens anyway. Labor must be able to afford our first world economy, regardless therefore wages should outpace inflation.

Where did you come up with that?
"Real wages" have not not increased since 1976. If wages constantly outpaced inflation, you would simply have hyper-inflation - people would be making $800/hr and a Big Mac would be $600. Minimum wage jobs add some value to the economy through unskilled labor, but do not move the needle on real productivity. That comes usually when someone designs and produces the automation necessary to replace those unskilled workers.
Perhaps explore the history of Stagflation from the early 70s when union wages were out of control.

Cheers

Economics. And, what you allege is not true with supply-side economics. Business simply needs to become more efficient to keep costs low; supply, supply, supply.

And efficiency typically means automation which displaces the unskilled $15 - $17/hour worker

They can't get minimum wage help now, so they say.

 

[initforme]

Perhaps those jobs don't need to be filled.

 

[danielpalos]

Go ahead and automate; supply, supply, supply, to keep inflation at bay.

 

[initforme]

Automation was coming no matter what. Learn how to fix the automation and charge high rates to fix the automation. Then you may be making $60 per hour or more.

 

[ProfessorHawthorne]

Inflation happens anyway. Labor must be able to afford our first world economy, regardless therefore wages should outpace inflation.

Where did you come up with that?
"Real wages" have not not increased since 1976. If wages constantly outpaced inflation, you would simply have hyper-inflation - people would be making $800/hr and a Big Mac would be $600. Minimum wage jobs add some value to the economy through unskilled labor, but do not move the needle on real productivity. That comes usually when someone designs and produces the automation necessary to replace those unskilled workers.
Perhaps explore the history of Stagflation from the early 70s when union wages were out of control.

Cheers

Economics. And, what you allege is not true with supply-side economics. Business simply needs to become more efficient to keep costs low; supply, supply, supply.

What branch of economics? What I "allege" is an absolute fact of supply-side economics,

Go ahead and automate; supply, supply, supply, to keep inflation at bay.

See, that wasn't so hard. Paying high wages to low-value contributors IS a recipe for inflation. Displacing those contributors with automation does keep inflation at bay. From a humanist view, it's both cruel and demeaning - no argument there. It is, however, an economic fact - even higher skilled jobs will displaced as automation advances. In the year 2525.....

Cheers

 

[danielpalos]

What branch of economics? What I "allege" is an absolute fact of supply-side economics,

So is what I "allege". What branch of economics did you study? Wages outpaced inflation during the Clinton administration and what you allege did not happen.

Why do you believe business would not become more efficient to reduce costs?

 

[danielpalos]

See, that wasn't so hard. Paying high wages to low-value contributors IS a recipe for inflation. Displacing those contributors with automation does keep inflation at bay. From a humanist view, it's both cruel and demeaning - no argument there. It is, however, an economic fact - even higher skilled jobs will displaced as automation advances. In the year 2525.....

That is your special pleading. And, you are mistaken; The cruel and demeaning part is a lack of equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

 

[WinterBorn]

Little Johnny's first job out of HS without any advanced education in jack squat, isn't meant to be a job he can "make a living" at. It's a beginners job, unskilled, he's a peon. What is that so hard to understand? These SJWs want every single job in America to pay like you've at least got an Associates Degree, and that includes flipping a damn burger and asking do you want fries with that. That is not skilled labor. You could train a monkey to do that, or a machine. These people are easily replaced because there's a multitude of them willing to take the job you don't want, and yes, many of those are illegal aliens. You want to make big bucks, further your education. The more you learn, the more you earn.

Only if you appeal to ignorance of the cost of living. There is no true zero minimum wage simply because Taxes are a delegated social Power to our elected representatives.

Wrong. If you're an unskilled peon, and you're easily replaced because there's millions of you, all willing to do the job you're doing, then you're not getting paid squat. Supply and demand.

What you're talking about is socialism/communism.

Except what we have now is proof that they cannot be easily replaced and there are not millions of them willing to do the job.

 

[WinterBorn]

See, that wasn't so hard. Paying high wages to low-value contributors IS a recipe for inflation. Displacing those contributors with automation does keep inflation at bay. From a humanist view, it's both cruel and demeaning - no argument there. It is, however, an economic fact - even higher skilled jobs will displaced as automation advances. In the year 2525.....

That is your special pleading. And, you are mistaken; The cruel and demeaning part is a lack of equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

Jeez, not this crap again.

For the last time, Daniel, they will never change the Unemployment Compensation laws to allow you to draw UC if you voluntarily quit your job and refuse to look for another.

 

[danielpalos]

See, that wasn't so hard. Paying high wages to low-value contributors IS a recipe for inflation. Displacing those contributors with automation does keep inflation at bay. From a humanist view, it's both cruel and demeaning - no argument there. It is, however, an economic fact - even higher skilled jobs will displaced as automation advances. In the year 2525.....

That is your special pleading. And, you are mistaken; The cruel and demeaning part is a lack of equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

Jeez, not this crap again.

For the last time, Daniel, they will never change the Unemployment Compensation laws to allow you to draw UC if you voluntarily quit your job and refuse to look for another.

Why should I believe the Ignorant?

 

[WinterBorn]

See, that wasn't so hard. Paying high wages to low-value contributors IS a recipe for inflation. Displacing those contributors with automation does keep inflation at bay. From a humanist view, it's both cruel and demeaning - no argument there. It is, however, an economic fact - even higher skilled jobs will displaced as automation advances. In the year 2525.....

That is your special pleading. And, you are mistaken; The cruel and demeaning part is a lack of equal protection of the laws for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

Jeez, not this crap again.

For the last time, Daniel, they will never change the Unemployment Compensation laws to allow you to draw UC if you voluntarily quit your job and refuse to look for another.

Why should I believe the Ignorant?

I don't care if you believe the ignorant. But I am not ignorant.

The entire point of UC is to help someone who is between jobs, through no fault of their own. You want to make it into welfare. It won't happen. If you voluntarily quit your job, you have to live with the consequences.