Universal Basic Income: Biden's Best Bet?

[danielpalos]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

328 million Americans * $1,000/month = $328 billion/month.
$328 billion/month * 12 months = $3.9 trillion/year.

Fun times indeed. Where is the almost $4 trillion going to come from, Bill Gates?

That's McConnell's response that kills the whole thing.

Moscow Mitch wouldn't do it if it was $.05 a year.

He's scum who cares nothing for Americans.

Irrelevant. It's a stupid idea.

What's irrelevant about the senate majority leader not caring about the people he's supposed to be working for?

its not his job to take care or provide for the people,,

That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people,
nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing
the greatest degree of happiness and safety, and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration;
and, whenever any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community
hath an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be
judged most conducive to the public weal.--Virginia State Constitution

Talk about a retarded slave, has to have the government give him shit so he can be happy, instead of him developing skills or knowledge that makes him desirable in the workforce where companies can pay him 10s of thousands of dollars, in his own pursuit of happiness, with some overbearing government trying to hold him back...

Socialism is merely about equality and in our case, about equal protection of the laws even under our form of Capitalism.

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

You agreed that means testing is acceptable in equal protection under the law, so stop acting like you're getting a raw deal because you can't get UC. There is a certain set of circumstances that allow you to collect it, and just wanting it is not included.

You miss the point or special plead by ignoring the point, like usual. Equal protection of the law is not means testing.

Exactly, so you don't get UC because you don't qualify for it.

Employment is at the will of either party. Equal protection means just that. Employers do not have to hire me even in Right to Work States.

Which is irrelevant to collecting UC. UC is specific to a certain set of circumstances, that's it. If you want to expand UC to be something it is not and never was intended to be on the grounds of unequal protection under the law, I should be able to collect food stamps and save a lot on groceries.

UC IS NOT WELFARE!!! You have to qualify to get welfare, and you have to qualify to get UC. What you want is to be paid simply for existing, and that's not happening.

Only due to unequal protection of the laws.

It is general welfare not means tested welfare.

 

[Orangecat]

By executive authority as the chief magistrate of the Union.

He's not the chief magistrate of any Union.

 

[danielpalos]

Employment is at the will of either party.

How so?

Employers do not have to hire me even in Right to Work States.

Of course they don't. Employers are not required to hire anyone, much less whiny dickbags like yourself.

Employment is at-will. I automatically qualify for unemployment compensation.

 

[two_iron]

Employment is at the will of either party.

How so?

Employers do not have to hire me even in Right to Work States.

Of course they don't. Employers are not required to hire anyone, much less whiny dickbags like yourself.

Can you imagine trying to babysit an unemployable shitstain like this?

First you find it pissing in the planters in the hall and then it's organizing book-burning rallies in the warehouse and disrupting the entire workplace. THAT's exactly what they have in mind for a $1000/mo. check for staying home.

 

[danielpalos]

I asked very clear questions. I asked what exactly Biden can do to solve poverty, since you said he could be EO. I also asked what law gives him the authority to do it. Your only answer?

That is all he needs; the legal and physical infrastructure already exists in our republic.

 

[Viktor]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

$1000 per month to every child?

Of course this includes every illegal alien and their children too, right?

I like that. I worked my ass off for 43 years to feed illegal aliens and people who are too lazy to work.

 

[danielpalos]

Employment is at the will of either party.

How so?

Employers do not have to hire me even in Right to Work States.

Of course they don't. Employers are not required to hire anyone, much less whiny dickbags like yourself.

Can you imagine trying to babysit an unemployable shitstain like this?

First you find it pissing in the planters in the hall and then it's organizing book-burning rallies in the warehouse and disrupting the entire workplace. THAT's exactly what they have in mind for a $1000/mo. check for staying home.

You need valid arguments like good hardworking persons do; only lazy slackers have nothing but fallacy (of argumentum ad hominem).

 

[Orangecat]

Employment is at-will. I automatically qualify for unemployment compensation.

You obviously don't know what "at-will" employment means.

 

[DBA]

The entire premise of this thread is completely ridiculous. Where do these people come from?

 

[Orangecat]

You need valid arguments like good hardworking persons do; only lazy slackers have nothing but fallay (of argumentum ad hominem).

More word salad from you. Nice toss, but zero sustenance.

 

[danielpalos]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

$1000 per month to every child?

Of course this includes every illegal alien and their children too, right?

I like that. I worked my ass off for 43 years to feed illegal aliens and people who are too lazy to work.

Under our current regime.

Productivity gains have gone up dramatically, for the Rich.

 

[hadit]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

328 million Americans * $1,000/month = $328 billion/month.
$328 billion/month * 12 months = $3.9 trillion/year.

Fun times indeed. Where is the almost $4 trillion going to come from, Bill Gates?

That's McConnell's response that kills the whole thing.

Moscow Mitch wouldn't do it if it was $.05 a year.

He's scum who cares nothing for Americans.

Irrelevant. It's a stupid idea.

What's irrelevant about the senate majority leader not caring about the people he's supposed to be working for?

its not his job to take care or provide for the people,,

That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people,
nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing
the greatest degree of happiness and safety, and is most effectually secured against the danger of maladministration;
and, whenever any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community
hath an indubitable, inalienable, and indefeasible right to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be
judged most conducive to the public weal.--Virginia State Constitution

And a state government is free to set itself up that way. The federal government is supposed to ensure free commerce and travel between states as well as the common defense. It is not supposed to oversee every individual's retirement accounts.

Equal protection of the laws is also in our federal Constitution.

Who is not getting equal protection under that law? Be specific.

Anyone being required to have a work ethic. We have a First Amendment and equal protection of the laws is expressly declared in our federal and State Constitutions.

UC is not a Constitutional right, it is a benefit set up specifically to help those who are laid off from their jobs until they can find new employment. That's it, it's not a welfare program for anyone who refuses to work available jobs, or quits because they don't want to work a job, or gets fired for cause. And you're not required to have a work ethic. Nowhere does the law force you to work. The law does NOT, however, support you if you decide not to work. You can beg, you can live off savings, you can live with relatives who are willing to support you, but you do NOT have access under the law to taxpayer funds to support you. That's equal protection under the law because it applies equally to everyone.

 

[Orangecat]

The entire premise of this thread is completely ridiculous. Where do those people come from?

Public schools and two mommy families.

 

[danielpalos]

Employment is at-will. I automatically qualify for unemployment compensation.

You obviously don't know what "at-will" employment means.

What do you think it means?

 

[22lcidw]

Equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States could be accomplished by executive order.

Automatic stabilization of our economy now!

How can we have unused productive capacity and mass unemployment at the same time?

What Is the Output Gap? - Back to Basics - Finance & Development, September 2013

"The output gap is an economic measure of the difference between the actual output of an economy and its potential output.

"Potential output is the maximum amount of goods and services an economy can turn out when it is most efficient—that is, at full capacity.

"Often, potential output is referred to as the production capacity of the economy."

We don't or should not have have a supply problem with supply side economics; we only have a demand problem, which solving for simple poverty can solve.

So that would be 1000 dollars times 12 time 350 million a year. That equals 4 trillion and 200 billion dollars a year. So all those tax increases that is proposed. What would the lower classes be on the hook for? That may destabilize the economy. The increases in prices of everything may be very high inflation to hyper inflation. I am not an economist though.

Inflation should not be a problem with supply side economics. That is why we need to increase the minimum wage so capitalists can automate for their bottom line.

Taxation is just not the Federal Wage Income Tax and the social Security/Medicare Tax. There are many taxes and many hidden ones. they add up. That is part of what make people who earn the minimum salaries tough. Those taxes and fees are embedded in everything we do. Its like a cycle that has to keep pushing the wage up as the taxes increase and the inflation rises. We do not even get the official amount of money in circulation anymore from the government as they are printing it up to keep the system solvent.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Almost everyone's aware of Alaska's Permanent Fund:

"...The program began in 1976 after the discovery of oil on Alaska’s North Slope.

"The then-governor, a renegade Republican named Jay Hammond, concluded that this windfall was too good to just give to the oil companies.

"So he devised the program to share the revenue with Alaska residents...."

"OK, here’s the idea for President-elect Biden:

"Bring 20 of the Trumpiest-looking Alaskans to a press conference.

"Unveil a plan whereby every man, woman, and child gets a $1,000 check every month from the government.

"Finance it with taxes on large wealth, fossil fuels, financial transactions, and intellectual property resulting from taxpayer-funded public research.

"Invite the Alaskans to describe the joy of getting their checks: no middleman, no means tests, no government forms to fill out—just free money as everyone’s share of the American commons.

"Dare Mitch McConnell to oppose it."

A Big, Simple, Winning Issue for Biden

The "American commons" are the cultural and natural resources accessible to all members of society. In a time when the privileged few expand their vast fortunes despite a global pandemic and recession, it seems fitting to socialize the profits and privatize the losses.

Does anyone believe "Delaware Joe" will turn on his corporate benefactors?

328 million Americans * $1,000/month = $328 billion/month.
$328 billion/month * 12 months = $3.9 trillion/year.

Fun times indeed. Where is the almost $4 trillion going to come from, Bill Gates?

That's McConnell's response that kills the whole thing.

Moscow Mitch wouldn't do it if it was $.05 a year.

He's scum who cares nothing for Americans.

Irrelevant. It's a stupid idea.

What's irrelevant about the senate majority leader not caring about the people he's supposed to be working for?

its not his job to take care or provide for the people,,

Actually, as a senator, that precisely what his job is.

where can I find that in the constitution??

So, you are claiming that it's not a senators job to look after the best interests of his/her constituents?

What do you think their job is?

State rights.... All bills start in the house

 

[danielpalos]

UC is not a Constitutional right, it is a benefit set up specifically to help those who are laid off from their jobs until they can find new employment.

Equal protection of the laws is a Constitutional right.

 

[Orangecat]

What do you think it means?

I'm not the one throwing the phrase around ignorantly.
You have no clue what it means.

 

[hadit]

Employment is at the will of either party.

How so?

Employers do not have to hire me even in Right to Work States.

Of course they don't. Employers are not required to hire anyone, much less whiny dickbags like yourself.

Employment is at-will. I automatically qualify for unemployment compensation.

Actually read the law on UC, then come back and quote the portion that says you automatically qualify. If you can't, you need to stop saying you do.

 

[hadit]

UC is not a Constitutional right, it is a benefit set up specifically to help those who are laid off from their jobs until they can find new employment.

Equal protection of the laws is a Constitutional right.

Quote the portion of UC law that says you qualify.