US EXPELS 35 Russian diplomats, closes two compounds.

[Tom Horn]

There is actually no evidence whatsoever that implies Seth Rich was "involved" in any way with the DNC email leak.

There's a hell of a lot more evidence it was Seth Rich than Putin.

No, there isn't.

There's no positive number less than zero. It's not possible for nothing to be "more" than anything else.

Of course there is and your word games are a waste of your time and mine. Seth Rich was supposedly "mugged" yet he was shot multiple times in the back and his wallet and wristwatch weren't taken. That's not how muggers work...in D.C. in Detroit, Philly, Boston,or in your steaming elitist pile of shit of a city, San Francisco. There was no "hack"...that much we can believe Assange about...he has nothing to gain by lying other than Hillary wanting to get him droned at one point. So who "leaked"? It came from inside the DNC...Podesta was tricked into giving his password to a counterfeit government tech. Who would be more likely to create that than an insider? Was Rich a Bernie fan who was disgusted with what the DNC was doing to him behind the scenes? If so, there's your motive. Now we need method and opportunity...basic crime-solving. Seth certainly had the opportunity being inside the organization and tricking Podesta out of his password was the method. Who murdered Rich? The same thug the Clintons have used for years most likely...he started shadowing Rich and caught him on a dark street late at night...bang bang, out go the lights.

 

[MindWars]

What are these Russian sanctions going to accomplish? Specifically?

It will hurt their economy. They will have a harder time than they do now. Putin has been trying to bring his Country back from their economic collapse. Doing this slaps them down a bit more. This is why tech. PUTIN does not want a war, it will harm them even more. Partly why that is.

 

[aris2chat]

Putin announces cease fire in Syria. Nobel Peace Prize-winner announces 9am tee time in Hawaii.

And Putin bombs Syrian hospitals....yep, he's a man we can all admire all right.

Thank you Putin also, for destabilizing Europe by increasing the flood of refugees due to your bombing campaign targeting civilians...I had forgotten about that. I wonder if that is a deliberate ploy in revenge for Europe's part in the sanctions?

U.S. NPR & OSCE: Russia Bombs Syria to Force Refugees into Europe

You don't blame syria, iran, hezbullah, turkey, italy or ISIS? You don't even blame germany?

Russia used overkill, criminal violations, to bring an end to fighting. How many more would have been killed in long drawn out regional war? How many more would be flowing into turkey and even russia, beside europe and the US if this went on for another four years, or more?

Russia has financial gains if this ends sooner rather than later.

Russia does not fear the ICC or the UN.

US did not take the lead so russia can pretty much do what they want in syria.

Now you want to blame them for doing what is in their interest that the US did not prevent?

How about US involvement with ISIS in this horrific tragedy? Or the involvement with Iran, the backer of terrorism?

Now you're aghast at killing civilians?

US is far from hospital white in this?

I blame them all. All these outside countries stirring the Syria pot for their own agendas.

But Russia's actions led to a huge increase in refugees because they were targeting civilians. Why does everyone excuse Russia?

No excuse, just realism

Unlike syria or ISIS, their goal is not death, that is just a method to weaken the other side enough to bring a cease fire and in time a resolution for the next few years.

I don't expect russia to wear the white hat.

 

[oreo]

Assange...Russian Front Man?

Julian Assange Is A Russian Front-Man, Not A Freedom Fighter

Why WikiLeaks Is a Russian Front

Assange’s defenders will complain there is no smoking gun linking WikiLeaks and its cult leader to Moscow. There isn’t, but that’s because in the real world things don’t happen the way they do in the movies. There is no receipt in a desk waiting to be found by an eager journalist. No child prodigy is going to hack a phone in five minutes and find a voicemail from a man with a thick Russian accent explaining the exact location of a dead drop.

For more sensible people, however, the evidence is damning. First and foremost, WikiLeaks—citizens of the world that they are—never seem able to leak anything damaging to the interests of the Russians. They likewise avoid antagonizing the Chinese or any other autocratic regime that might take umbrage or engage in retaliation. Almost every leak of any consequence is aimed squarely at the United States and its allies, and never as assistance to noble activists anywhere else.

Likewise, the involvement of WikiLeaks in the Edward Snowden affair, catalogued ably by authors like John Schindler, Edward Lucas, and others, was so obviously facilitated by the Russians that it should be used as a case study in Espionage School 101. Recall that when Snowden showed up in Russia—a destination Assange recommended—WikiLeaks dispatched a fixer from their staff named Sarah Harrison to meet Snowden in Hong Kong and stand by his side in Moscow. From the time Snowden arrived in Russia, Harrison stuck to him like glue.

If you think Assange’s recommendation, Snowden’s arrival, and Harrison’s presence are at all possible without a cozy relationship with the Russian secret services, then you don’t understand how any of this works.

Indeed, the later feuding between the Snowden camp and WikiLeaks (insofar as it was more than mere theater) speaks well of Snowden, in that it suggests what many of us long suspected: that Snowden was a stupid little boy who got involved way over his head in matters way beyond his competence. Assange and Harrison know what they’re doing, and for whom. Snowden, by now, also knows, but there’s not much he can do about it but to repay his masters for his new life in Russia.​

There were Reich wingers all over this board cheering wiki-leaks, (now confirmed coming from Russia.) They couldn't get their fill of them. But they forget that Wikileaks, probably from Russia again, attacked G.W. Bush in his final term by leaking sensitive information regarding intelligence gathering over the invasion of Iraq. It was about Hillary Clinton's emails now, and they lapped it all up.

It is a FELONY to hack into private or public computers in this country, that comes with prison time. Anyone who is willing to take the risk of getting caught, there will certainly be a reward for doing it. It was never some 400 lb. fat guy sitting on his bed.

Clearly, this has damaged Comrade Trump's credibility, because he has denied this intelligence all along. I imagine those supposedly 200 admirals that endorsed him are wearing bags over their heads, along with millions of people who voted for him.

Right now there are investigative reporters working 24 hours a day, 7 days a week trying to prove collusion within the Trump campaign or any associate of Trump's. If they find it, this will be considered TREASON. They may already have something.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/world/europe/trump-campaign-russia.html?_r=1

Trump has conflicts of interest pouring out of every door, including Russia. This is not going to go away because FOX News or Rush Limbaugh don't want to talk about it.
Donald Trump's Many, Many, Many, Many Ties to Russia

 

[Tilly]

What The Russian Hacking Report DOESN’T Say
By Washington's Blog
Global Research, December 29, 2016
Washington's Blog
Region: Russia and FSU, USA
Theme: Intelligence

Today, the Department of Homeland Security and FBI released a report alleging Russian hacking.

It’s important to note what the report does NOT say …

It does NOT allege any of the following:

• It doesn’t claim that it’s accurate. Instead, the report starts with a disclaimer, and uses the same type of weasel words – “as is”, “does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding any information” – that someone selling a lemon uses when he doesn’t want to talk about the fact that the blasted thing won’t run and doesn’t want to get sued for false misrepresentation:

• It doesn’t mention Wikileaks … not even once. In other words, the report does not allege that the Russians gave any Democratic Party or Podesta emails to Wikileaks

• It doesn’t address the fact that the NSA possesses records showing exactly how the emails went from the Democratic Party to Wikileaks, as it tracks all electronic communications in the U.S.

• It doesn’t address the fact that Russia would not have used widely known hacking methods (and wouldn’t have paid tribute within the code to a famous Russian intelligence officer), and that anyone could have copied these methods and names

• It doesn’t address the fact that top former NSA and CIA officials (and Wikileaks) says that these were not hacks at all … but rather leaks by American insiders

• It doesn’t address American intelligence services’ less-than-stellar history of truthfulness, and routinely skew intelligence to justify preordained policy outcomes

• It doesn’t address the fact that – according to the Los Angeles Times – the U.S. interfered in foreign elections 81 times between 1946 and 2000 … compared to only 36 times by the Ruskies

• It doesn’t address the fact that most Americans aren’t buying the whole claim that the Russians hacked our election

In other words, the report really doesn’t say much of anything …

http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-the-russian-hacking-report-doesnt-say/5565479

 

[aris2chat]

“The future of Syria must be determined by its people, but President Bashar al-Assad is standing in their way,” Obama said in a written statement. “For the sake of the Syrian people, the time has come for President Assad to step aside.”
Result: Thousands dead, Assad is still in power and millions of Syrian refugees - including terrorists- are besieging western Europe.

Oh, and:

Just 3 in 10 Americans believe Russia was behind election-year political hacking – and the vast majority are Democrats

Read more: Just 3 in 10 Americans believe Russia was behind election-year political hacking | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

View attachment 104415

From the 20th of Dec, so may have changed. Don't know these pollster so won't vouch for them, but who trusts the pollsters now anyway? Lol

Just 3 in 10 Americans believe Russia was behind election-year political hacking | Daily Mail Online

Would that have been nice four years ago?

Now it seems Syria will be divided and "overseen" by Russia, Turkey, Iran and Syria. Syrians won't get much voice at all.............. for along time

And the Kurds will probably be fucked over. Again.

of course, expect as much as they can bring balance in iraq if used right.

 

[Tilly]

“The future of Syria must be determined by its people, but President Bashar al-Assad is standing in their way,” Obama said in a written statement. “For the sake of the Syrian people, the time has come for President Assad to step aside.”
Result: Thousands dead, Assad is still in power and millions of Syrian refugees - including terrorists- are besieging western Europe.

Oh, and:

Just 3 in 10 Americans believe Russia was behind election-year political hacking – and the vast majority are Democrats

Read more: Just 3 in 10 Americans believe Russia was behind election-year political hacking | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

View attachment 104415

From the 20th of Dec, so may have changed. Don't know these pollster so won't vouch for them, but who trusts the pollsters now anyway? Lol

Just 3 in 10 Americans believe Russia was behind election-year political hacking | Daily Mail Online

Would that have been nice four years ago?

Now it seems Syria will be divided and "overseen" by Russia, Turkey, Iran and Syria. Syrians won't get much voice at all.............. for along time

Yet another tragedy.

 

[Avatar4321]

If you anti-Americans love Putin/Russia so much. Move your un- patriotic ass over to Russia and don't let the door hit your fat ass on your way outa here!

You don't have to love Russia to realize provoking them is stupid

Did Russia not provoke us?

Let's for the sake of argument, say the Russians are behind wikileaks.

All wikileaks did was release accurate information about Democrats.

You guys are seriously trying to argue that having an informed electorate is bad for the republic and as a consequence we need to provoke Russia for revealing democrat corruption.

Really?

Get real.

 

[Coyote]

“The future of Syria must be determined by its people, but President Bashar al-Assad is standing in their way,” Obama said in a written statement. “For the sake of the Syrian people, the time has come for President Assad to step aside.”
Result: Thousands dead, Assad is still in power and millions of Syrian refugees - including terrorists- are besieging western Europe.

Oh, and:

Just 3 in 10 Americans believe Russia was behind election-year political hacking – and the vast majority are Democrats

Read more: Just 3 in 10 Americans believe Russia was behind election-year political hacking | Daily Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

View attachment 104415

From the 20th of Dec, so may have changed. Don't know these pollster so won't vouch for them, but who trusts the pollsters now anyway? Lol

Just 3 in 10 Americans believe Russia was behind election-year political hacking | Daily Mail Online

Would that have been nice four years ago?

Now it seems Syria will be divided and "overseen" by Russia, Turkey, Iran and Syria. Syrians won't get much voice at all.............. for along time

And the Kurds will probably be fucked over. Again.

of course, expect as much as they can bring balance in iraq if used right.

Yes...

 

[aris2chat]

Assange...Russian Front Man?

Julian Assange Is A Russian Front-Man, Not A Freedom Fighter

Why WikiLeaks Is a Russian Front

Assange’s defenders will complain there is no smoking gun linking WikiLeaks and its cult leader to Moscow. There isn’t, but that’s because in the real world things don’t happen the way they do in the movies. There is no receipt in a desk waiting to be found by an eager journalist. No child prodigy is going to hack a phone in five minutes and find a voicemail from a man with a thick Russian accent explaining the exact location of a dead drop.

For more sensible people, however, the evidence is damning. First and foremost, WikiLeaks—citizens of the world that they are—never seem able to leak anything damaging to the interests of the Russians. They likewise avoid antagonizing the Chinese or any other autocratic regime that might take umbrage or engage in retaliation. Almost every leak of any consequence is aimed squarely at the United States and its allies, and never as assistance to noble activists anywhere else.

Likewise, the involvement of WikiLeaks in the Edward Snowden affair, catalogued ably by authors like John Schindler, Edward Lucas, and others, was so obviously facilitated by the Russians that it should be used as a case study in Espionage School 101. Recall that when Snowden showed up in Russia—a destination Assange recommended—WikiLeaks dispatched a fixer from their staff named Sarah Harrison to meet Snowden in Hong Kong and stand by his side in Moscow. From the time Snowden arrived in Russia, Harrison stuck to him like glue.

If you think Assange’s recommendation, Snowden’s arrival, and Harrison’s presence are at all possible without a cozy relationship with the Russian secret services, then you don’t understand how any of this works.

Indeed, the later feuding between the Snowden camp and WikiLeaks (insofar as it was more than mere theater) speaks well of Snowden, in that it suggests what many of us long suspected: that Snowden was a stupid little boy who got involved way over his head in matters way beyond his competence. Assange and Harrison know what they’re doing, and for whom. Snowden, by now, also knows, but there’s not much he can do about it but to repay his masters for his new life in Russia.​

Wiki has exposed a number of russia's dirty laundry. No doubt there will be more to come in the future. Right now the election has been front and center in the news.

Where? I can't find any references.

go to wikileaks

 

[Avatar4321]

Hillary nearly started a war with Russia, not Obama is intentionally trying.

Russia is not angel, far from it, but you need a dialog with them as the "other world power" to bring balance.

If you can talk, you can negotiate.

The more contentious the situation the more the US will be the one compromising instead of coming from a position strengthening it forces and standing.

Obama is sawing through all the chair legs, 3/4 of the way, so they break when you sit down. A toddler having a tantrum at the world's expense

UK was chastising Obama and Kerry today

I'm not sure I'm understanding your logical gymnastics here.

Are you saying that we should be nice to Russia and do whatever they want, because that will put us in a "position of strength"?

You don't kick them in the nuts if you want them to sit and work out any problems without violence

In diplomatic maneuvering - you also don't take a kick in the nuts when it's strategically better not to. A small country, like the Philippines - you can ignore a kick in the nuts and do something minor, like cancel a meeting. With a country like Russia, committing a much larger transgression, I think a point needs to be made or Russia, being Russia, will just keep on doing it.

"With a country like Russia, committing a much larger transgression,"

What much larger transgression did Russia commit?

Hacking the DNC and attempting to influence our election. All Dutarte was utter vulgar insults.

How come the corruption the DNC hack exposed doesn't offend you but the fact that it was exposed does?

 

[Flopper]

Putin will wait for Trump to be POTUS.

If he wants he can expel a like number of US diplomats from Russia.

Douchebag has accomplished nothing but show Putin what an idiot he is.

I think Obama is trying to create a wedge between Trump and conservatives who have traditionally taken a hardline in regard to Russia. If Trump lifts sanctions on Russia and does his play nice routine with Putin, he's going to piss off a lot of Republicans in congress. If he leaves the sanctions and condemns Putin, then he's going to look like he's flip flopped again.

 

[Avatar4321]

Na...Russia had nothing to do with hacking....

Wow you posted a stupid picture. You convinced me. Said no one ever

 

[Coyote]

Na...Russia had nothing to do with hacking....

Wow you posted a stupid picture. You convinced me. Said no one ever

Ya I know, but I couldn't resist following the examples of others (though....you didn't seem to care).

 

[Coyote]

I'm not sure I'm understanding your logical gymnastics here.

Are you saying that we should be nice to Russia and do whatever they want, because that will put us in a "position of strength"?

You don't kick them in the nuts if you want them to sit and work out any problems without violence

In diplomatic maneuvering - you also don't take a kick in the nuts when it's strategically better not to. A small country, like the Philippines - you can ignore a kick in the nuts and do something minor, like cancel a meeting. With a country like Russia, committing a much larger transgression, I think a point needs to be made or Russia, being Russia, will just keep on doing it.

"With a country like Russia, committing a much larger transgression,"

What much larger transgression did Russia commit?

Hacking the DNC and attempting to influence our election. All Dutarte was utter vulgar insults.

How come the corruption the DNC hack exposed doesn't offend you but the fact that it was exposed does?

What actual corruption was exposed?

I'm much more bothered by foreign intervention. Why aren't you bothered by it?

 

[Tom Horn]

What are these Russian sanctions going to accomplish? Specifically?

It will hurt their economy. They will have a harder time than they do now. Putin has been trying to bring his Country back from their economic collapse. Doing this slaps them down a bit more. This is why tech. PUTIN does not want a war, it will harm them even more. Partly why that is.

Yep and he was FREAKED by the "missile-shield" Bush tried to install in Poland and the Baltics. Putin felt betrayed by Bush who he'd known for years from his visits to Kennebunkport. That was dropped to appease him but then restarted after he invaded Crimea, the port facilities he desperately needs. If he had any other interest in Ukraine he'd have taken them in 2 weeks. Now there's another missile-shield near him with Spain, Turkey, and Romania involved. Russia's national psyche is paranoia personified ever since Hitler broke the treaty with Stalin and invaded them. Putin is in Syria for port facilities...he also tried to get back into our old port at Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnam. Putin should be seen as a leader trying to bring his nation back into it's former power position...he's not a communist. He has his own problems with the Russian underworld and the Chechen warlord Kadyrov who he actually hid from for 2 weeks a couple years ago. Trump has to understand Putin's objectives and see him for what he is...either a friend you keep a very close eye on, or an enemy we are not equipped to handle at the moment if he decides to start overrunning the old Warsaw Pact countries.

 

[Tilly]

What are these Russian sanctions going to accomplish? Specifically?

It will hurt their economy. They will have a harder time than they do now. Putin has been trying to bring his Country back from their economic collapse. Doing this slaps them down a bit more. This is why tech. PUTIN does not want a war, it will harm them even more. Partly why that is.

Yep and he was FREAKED by the "missile-shield" Bush tried to install in Poland and the Baltics. Putin felt betrayed by Bush who he'd known for years from his visits to Kennebunkport. That was dropped to appease him but then restarted after he invaded Crimea, the port facilities he desperately needs. If he had any other interest in Ukraine he'd have taken them in 2 weeks. Now there's another missile-shield near him with Spain, Turkey, and Romania involved. Russia's national psyche is paranoia personified ever since Hitler broke the treaty with Stalin and invaded them. Putin is in Syria for port facilities...he also tried to get back into our old port at Cam Ranh Bay, Vietnam. Putin should be seen as a leader trying to bring his nation back into it's former power position...he's not a communist. He has his own problems with the Russian underworld and the Chechen warlord Kadyrov who he actually hid from for 2 weeks a couple years ago. Trump has to understand Putin's objectives and see him for what he is...either a friend you keep a very close eye on, or an enemy we are not equipped to handle at the moment if he decides to start overrunning the old Warsaw Pact countries.

Very interesting. Thank you, Tom.

 

[rdean]

This is so awesome. We have REAL patriots cheering on Putin. So great.

You mean like those 'real patriots' y'all have been calling "trailer trash" for the last eight years?

Those Americans that cheer Putin ARE trailer trash.

. Trash that the whole world fears right now ?? Kinda cool.

Not really. I trust and fear a police officer. I firmly believe the vast majority of police are good men. Brave. I know a few that I'm friends with and I consider myself better to have them as friends. But I act calm around them. I don't make tasteless jokes and am on my best behavior.

I was in a Citibank when the guy in front of me robbed it. True story. He had a gun. I was scared. It wasn't cool. See the difference?

Only an idiot moron would think making people scared was "cool". What did Trayvon Martin do when he was cornered. He fought back. Then he was murdered. But sometimes, when they fight back, they win. Fear does that. You don't want people scared of you. You want them on your side.

 

[MindWars]

Obama seriously is trying to throw gasoline on the world before he leaves.

You're pro Russia?

Even if he were so what. Russia is stripping our Freedom, Russia isnt opening our borders, Russia isn't taking away our rights, Russia isn't putting their soldiers in dresses and high heels.
Russia is the New America ... just in case yah missed that. =)

 

[Flopper]

What The Russian Hacking Report DOESN’T Say
By Washington's Blog
Global Research, December 29, 2016
Washington's Blog
Region: Russia and FSU, USA
Theme: Intelligence

Today, the Department of Homeland Security and FBI released a report alleging Russian hacking.

It’s important to note what the report does NOT say …

It does NOT allege any of the following:

• It doesn’t claim that it’s accurate. Instead, the report starts with a disclaimer, and uses the same type of weasel words – “as is”, “does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding any information” – that someone selling a lemon uses when he doesn’t want to talk about the fact that the blasted thing won’t run and doesn’t want to get sued for false misrepresentation:

• It doesn’t mention Wikileaks … not even once. In other words, the report does not allege that the Russians gave any Democratic Party or Podesta emails to Wikileaks

• It doesn’t address the fact that the NSA possesses records showing exactly how the emails went from the Democratic Party to Wikileaks, as it tracks all electronic communications in the U.S.

• It doesn’t address the fact that Russia would not have used widely known hacking methods (and wouldn’t have paid tribute within the code to a famous Russian intelligence officer), and that anyone could have copied these methods and names

• It doesn’t address the fact that top former NSA and CIA officials (and Wikileaks) says that these were not hacks at all … but rather leaks by American insiders

• It doesn’t address American intelligence services’ less-than-stellar history of truthfulness, and routinely skew intelligence to justify preordained policy outcomes

• It doesn’t address the fact that – according to the Los Angeles Times – the U.S. interfered in foreign elections 81 times between 1946 and 2000 … compared to only 36 times by the Ruskies

• It doesn’t address the fact that most Americans aren’t buying the whole claim that the Russians hacked our election

In other words, the report really doesn’t say much of anything …

http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-the-russian-hacking-report-doesnt-say/5565479

I think it says what people are interested in, "This document provides technical details regarding the tools and infrastructure used by the Russian civilian and military intelligence Services (RIS) to compromise and exploit networks and endpoints associated with the U.S. election, as well as a range of U.S. Government, political, and private sector entities". It does not give details of exactly how it was traced to the Russians however, documents like this never give all the information. If Congress investigates, hopefully they will come up with more details. Trump will probably try to bury what he can but the cat is out of the bag.