US EXPELS 35 Russian diplomats, closes two compounds.

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Obama seriously is trying to throw gasoline on the world before he leaves.

You're pro Russia?

You're pro stupidity??!

 

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Ah the site's reawakened... While she [and the US gov] napped I grabbed the aforementioned links;

October 26, 2010 - WikiLeaks ready to drop a bombshell on Russia. But will Russians get to read about it?

Moscow — The Kremlin had better brace itself for a coming wave of WikiLeaks disclosures about Russia, the website's founder, Julian Assange, told a leading Moscow newspaper Tuesday.

"We have [compromising materials] about Russia, about your government and businessmen," Mr. Assange told the pro-government daily Izvestia. "But not as much as we'd like... We will publish these materials soon."

He then dropped a hint that's likely to be nervously parsed in Russia's corridors of power: "We are helped by the Americans, who pass on a lot of material about Russia," to WikiLeaks, he said.

November 1, 2010 - Breaking News, Analysis, Politics, Blogs, News Photos, Video, Tech Reviews - TIME.com

Say what you will about Julian Assange, founder of the whistle-blowing website WikiLeaks, but his work has shown him to be pretty fearless. After his site published the biggest cache of secret files in U.S. history on Oct. 22, detailing some of the ugly truths about the war in Iraq, he continued to travel around Europe despite U.S. reprimands and warnings. He even told the global media that new leaks would expose more secrets not only about the U.S. military but about other "repressive regimes," such as Russia and China. The signals coming from Moscow, however, suggest that the Russian reaction will not be as reserved as America's. So is WikiLeaks really ready to take on the world's more callous states?

It's certainly talking the talk. In an interview published on Tuesday, Oct. 26, in Russia's leading daily newspaper, Kommersant, WikiLeaks spokesman Kristinn Hrafnsson said that "Russian readers will learn a lot about their country" after one of the site's upcoming document dumps. "We want to tell people the truth about the actions of their governments."

So far Russia has had no official response. But on Wednesday, an official at the Center for Information Security of the FSB, Russia's secret police, gave a warning to WikiLeaks that showed none of the tact of the U.S. reply to the Iraq revelations. "It's essential to remember that given the will and the relevant orders, [WikiLeaks] can be made inaccessible forever," the anonymous official told the independent Russian news website LifeNews.

When reached by TIME, the FSB, which is the main successor to the Soviet KGB, declined to elaborate on the comment or say whether it was the agency's official position. But history has shown that the FSB readily steps in to shut down Internet tattlers. In June, a Russian analog to WikiLeaks called Lubyanskaya Pravda published a series of documents it claimed to be top-secret FSB files detailing the agency's operations in the former Soviet Union and conflicts with other Russian security forces.

The site stayed online for less than three weeks — during which time no Russian newspapers published the files — and then put up a notice saying it was under construction. With the site down and the people who anonymously ran it unreachable, the leak was apparently stopped. "The FSB could have easily found the people behind it and convinced them that this was not a good idea," says Andrei Soldatov, an expert on Russian security services. "It is also possible for the FSB to take down a site like WikiLeaks. They have the capacity for all of this."

[...]

But other observers say WikiLeaks presents a far more serious challenge to Russia's security services than the sources of previous leaks. For one thing, WikiLeaks has established a reputation for publishing authentic documents, which means the Russian press would be more likely to cover the story and republish the files. It is also a diffuse and secretive organization that is technologically prepared to deal with cyberattacks. The kinds of hacker raids that took down Georgia's government websites during its war with Russia in 2008, for example, probably wouldn't keep WikiLeaks offline for long.

Doesn't this next bit sound familiar?

So the most likely Russian reaction, at least at first, would be to undermine the authenticity of the alleged secrets. "That is the main tool — to filter it through the state-controlled mass media, which would discredit WikiLeaks and put into question the reliability of its sources," says Nikolai Zlobin, director of the Russia and Eurasia Project at the World Security Institute in Washington, D.C. "This would limit any public debate of the leak to the Russian Internet forums and news websites, which reach a tiny fraction of the population."

How fucking creepy that this happens in the US now, even with the exact same having been attempted in Russia six years ago. We might be better off to be Russia at this point, at least their dumb ass government controlled media isn't trying to start a potential nuclear war >.<

Zlobin says it would also take something extremely damning to rattle Russia's political elite. "Russians already believe that their leaders steal, that they have offshore bank accounts and funnel money into them," he says. "It would have to give shocking details about the country's two leading figures [Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Dmitri Medvedev], and even then, the complete apathy toward politics in Russian society would absorb a lot of the shock waves at home."

Russia's reputation abroad, however, could be badly hit by the release of foreign-policy secrets. As the Kremlin pushes ahead with a drive to charm the West, its security agencies will be eager to prevent that kind of embarrassment. And there's no knowing how far they'll go to save face.

December 1, 2010 - WikiLeaks cables condemn Russia as 'mafia state'

Russia is a corrupt, autocratic kleptocracy centred on the leadership of Vladimir Putin, in which officials, oligarchs and organised crime are bound together to create a "virtual mafia state", according to leaked secret diplomatic cables that provide a damning American assessment of its erstwhile rival superpower.

Arms trafficking, money laundering, personal enrichment, protection for gangsters, extortion and kickbacks, suitcases full of money and secret offshore bank accounts in Cyprus: the cables paint a bleak picture of a political system in which bribery alone totals an estimated $300bn a year, and in which it is often hard to distinguish between the activities of the government and organised crime.

Among the most striking allegations contained in the cables, which were leaked to the whistleblowers' website WikiLeaks, are:

• Russian spies use senior mafia bosses to carry out criminal operations such as arms trafficking.

• Law enforcement agencies such as the police, spy agencies and the prosecutor's office operate a de facto protection racket for criminal networks.

• Rampant bribery acts like a parallel tax system for the personal enrichment of police, officials and the KGB's successor, the federal security service (FSB).

• Investigators looking into Russian mafia links to Spain have compiled a list of Russian prosecutors, military officers and politicians who have dealings with organised crime networks.

• Putin is accused of amassing "illicit proceeds" from his time in office, which various sources allege are hidden overseas.

The allegations come hours before Putin was due to address Fifa's executive committee in Zurich in support of Russia's bid to host the 2018 World Cup. Putin last night abruptly cancelled his trip, complaining of a smear campaign to "discredit" Fifa members. In an angry interview with CNN's Larry King Live, recorded before the latest disclosures, Putin also denounced the cables and warned the US not to stick its nose in Russia's affairs.

December 2, 2010 - Wikileaks: Russia branded 'mafia state' in cables - BBC News

He said of the Wikileaks affair: "Some experts believe that somebody is deceiving Wikileaks to undermine their reputation, to use them for their own political purposes later on. That is one of the possibilities."

But he added: "I don't see this as being a catastrophe."

Mr Putin did appear riled at US diplomats referring to him as Batman to President Dmitry Medvedev's Robin.

"To be honest with you, we didn't suspect that this would be done with such arrogance, with such a push and, you know, being so unethically done."

Other cables reveal:

The Russian defence ministry "has not changed its modus operandi for information exchange nor routine dialoguing since the end of the Cold War", says one US embassy cable
Associates of suspected Russian arms merchant Viktor Bout tried to prevent his extradition to the US from Thailand by using "money and influence", US ambassador to Thailand says
UK Foreign Office Russia director Michael Davenport says Russia is a "corrupt autocracy"
Ukrainian businessman with links to the Russia state-run conglomerate Gazprom told the US ambassador he had ties to Russian organised crime, needing approval of a gangster called Semyon Mogilevich to run his business

BBC diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall says that neither Moscow nor Washington will be happy at being exposed by the latest Wikileaks revelations, with the releases placing new strains on their relationship.

December 2, 2010 - Breaking News, Analysis, Politics, Blogs, News Photos, Video, Tech Reviews - TIME.com

First two paragraphs included for the irony - Pot meet kettle. Do note that Putin had the maturity to ignore these snubs unlike our childish government...

On Wednesday, during an interview on CNN's Larry King Live, Putin was asked to respond to U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who was quoted in one of the leaked cables dated February 2010 as saying that "Russian democracy has disappeared and the government [is] an oligarchy run by the security service." After some pleasantries about Gates being "a very nice person and not a bad specialist," Putin reverted to an old defensive tactic: he brought up the U.S. Electoral College. "Where is the democracy in that?" he demanded. "And when we tell our American colleagues about their systemic problems in this area, we hear, 'Don't meddle in our affairs.' We don't meddle, but I want to advise our colleagues: You don't meddle in our affairs either."

At least in public, the Obama Administration has taken this advice. On his first visit to Moscow, in July 2009, U.S. President Barack Obama created 16 working groups to conduct regular talks with Moscow, focusing on such touchy issues as human rights and democracy. This allowed Obama to move ahead with practical initiatives, like finally getting Russia to support sanctions against Iran. It also allowed him to gain the trust of Russian President Dmitri Medvedev, whose lunch with Obama at Ray's Hell Burger in Arlington, Va., in June was cozy enough to put on a Hallmark card. But the WikiLeaks revelations may have cracked this veneer. As one Western embassy official in Moscow put it to TIME on Thursday, the release of the cables is "kicking our asses."

[...]

That's partly because a fresh batch of cables, which were revealed on WikiLeaks on Thursday, is again embarrassing the Russian government, the day after Putin had his say on CNN. One of the communiqués from February quotes a Spanish investigator claiming that Russia is a "mafia state" where political parties, police agencies and possibly even Putin himself work in concert with the mob. In its comment, the U.S. embassy in Moscow calls the claims "insightful and valuable," an attitude that seemed to outrage Putin's office anew on Thursday evening. "If there are real diplomats behind this text, then it becomes hurtful and sad that there are unprofessional people working in our country," a Putin spokesman told reporters, adding that the claims were "pure insinuation, utter rubbish."

But even more hurtful for the efforts of U.S. diplomats in Moscow is the fact that other cables show them insulting Medvedev, the man who has taken personal charge of improving ties with Washington at no small risk to his popularity at home. One of the dispatches says that Medvedev "plays Robin to Putin's Batman," while others describe him as "pale and hesitant," his presidential performance "lackluster." Responding to the Batman-Robin joke on CNN, Putin was not amused and suggested it was aimed at splitting up his dynamic duo with Medvedev. "Statements of this kind are, of course, aimed at insulting one of us, at snagging our self-confidence, pushing us toward certain steps that would destroy our productive cooperation in running the country," he said. "We are long used to that."

But even if he is accustomed to such slights, Putin could use Cablegate as an excuse to call off Obama's reset. "Two years ago, Putin basically told Medvedev, 'Go ahead, give it a try. See if you can improve relations with the U.S., see if you can fix Russia's image,' " says Nikolai Zlobin, director of the Russia and Eurasia Project at the World Security Institute in Washington. "Putin never believed it would work, and now he has a convincing argument to say, 'Look, they still don't respect us.' And of course it doesn't help that Medvedev is personally offended by all of this. Hell, I would be offended too."

In his state-of-the-nation address on Tuesday, Medvedev already seemed to be showing a much tougher face to the West, warning for the first time of a possible new "arms race" over the next decade. If the U.S. and Russia cannot agree on building a joint missile shield over Europe, he said, then Russia will need to "deploy new strike forces" closer to Europe's borders. Talking to Larry King on Thursday, Putin took it a step further. "If our offers [on missile defense] get only negative answers, and what's more, if near our borders new threats appear ... then Russia will simply be forced to ensure its security by various means, [like] creating new nuclear complexes against new threats."

Evgeny Volk, deputy director of the Yeltsin Foundation, a think tank in Moscow, says the reset has brought both sides enough benefit to help them get over the WikiLeaks scandal and maybe even avoid a new arms race in Europe. "Of course Gates hit a very painful spot for Putin, and of course it's not pleasant for Medvedev to hear such things from the U.S. embassy, which is, after all, a base for policymaking toward Russia and not just a gossip den. But in the end, I think we can rely on our leaders' pragmatism."

Yet with Russia's 2012 presidential elections looming, it may seem pragmatic for Putin to reignite a rivalry with the U.S. "Domestically, conflict with the West is a very good source of political capital, and Putin is a master at using that," Zlobin says. By forcing Putin back into attack mode on Thursday, WikiLeaks may therefore have helped reverse two years of Obama's diplomacy. In any case, the leak is going to make small talk a lot more awkward between U.S. diplomats and their Russian hosts. Just imagine: "So you remember that thing you said about our President ..."

Januuary 19, 2011 - Russian WikiLeaks site blocked

MOSCOW, Jan. 19 (UPI) -- Russia's WikiLeaks Web site was blocked after photos of Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's purported $1 billion palace were published, officials said Wednesday.

Russian Piracy Party leader Pavel Rassudov said visitors experienced technical problems when they tried to access the site Tuesday after it posted photos of an Italian-style manse on the Black Sea that reportedly belongs to Putin, RIA Novosti reported.

"We are looking into the causes of these problems. We believe this could be due to a DDoS (distributed denial-of-service) attack," Rassudov said.

The Piracy Party announced last week the creation of "Russian WikiLeaks," RuLeaks.net, inviting users to submit documents related to corruption, criminal coverups and other information. The site's founders said they took precautions about the RuLeaks.net security, such as locating its servers outside of Russia and registering its domain name to a foreign entity, among other things, RIA Novosti said.

A story published in The Washington Post Dec. 23 quoted a Russian whistle-blower as saying the palace was paid for mainly with money donated by Russian businessmen for Putin's use. The whistle-blower said the funds came "mainly through a combination of corruption, bribery and theft."

A spokesman for Putin dismissed the report, saying Putin had nothing to do with the building in question.

March 9, 2012 - HACKED STRATFOR EMAILS: Russia Was Deliberately Trying To Disrupt Plane Landing That Killed Polish President

An email released by WikiLeaks as part of their Global Intelligence Files suggests that Russia may have deliberately refused landing to the plane of Poland's President Lech Kaczynski in 2010 — a plane that later crashed and killed Kacsynski and 100 others.

Kaczynski had been flying into Smolensk in Western Russia in order to attend a memorial service for those killed in the Katyn massacre, where thousands of Polish prisoners of war were killed by their Soviet guards in 1940.


Current Wikileaks files on Russia - Category:Russia - WikiLeaks


Just a reminder of the first scapegoat October 16, 2016 - Wikileaks, Russia, and Me - LewRockwell LewRockwell.com

As someone involved in politics for more than 40 years, I can attest to the fact that you ruffle some feathers and, dare I say, make some enemies along the way. So what? If the bed-wetters and pearl-clutchers aren’t upset with you, you aren’t making a difference.

Politics ain’t beanbag, as the saying goes, and I’m no stranger to controversy or a fight. I’ve been called just about every name in the book, and new books could be written using just the words that have been created to attack me.

But there is one word that no one has ever attempted to attach to me before this week: traitor.

Think of me what you will, I love my country. I’ve spent my life defending it from those who seek to harm it, both foreign and domestic. So imagine my surprise when a third-rate bureaucrat cum fourth-rate partisan former CIA Deputy CIA Director Mike Morell accused me of “actually working on behalf of the Russians.”

Congressman Jerry Nadler started this witch hunt when he called on FBI Director Comey (director of the Sandy Berger, Mark Rich, and Hillary e-mail cover-ups) to investigate me for my non-existent ties to Russia. I am accused of treason. That’s what Nadler, CIA hack Michael Morell, and the Clinton thugs have accused me of. It is, to put it mildly, bullshit. And they know it.

But Morell, now a flying monkey in Hillary Clinton’s thug army, is happily spreading the lie that I knew in advance that Wikileaks would hack the very revealing e-mail of Hillary campaign chief John Podesta. This because of a tweet I posted in August at the time my boyhood friend and colleague Paul Manafort was under attack for his perfectly legal work in Ukraine for a democratic political party. I predicted that Podesta’s business dealings would be exposed. I didn’t hear it from Wikileaks, although Julian Assange and I share a common friend. I reported the story on my website.

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Thoughts

History is no friend to the current regime in America, I'm rather surprised Time and the rest of the MSM hasn't cleared this shit from their archives yet - though I suppose since we are to believe that our entire political process can be brought to its knees by kiddyhackers I should not be so surprised by the incompetence of their attempts at coverup no matter how thin the veil...

How pathetic that the people know nothing of Mendax but will portray him as in bed with Putin - a man he conspired to prevent from gaining power in Russia... The flaw of course, is that the DNC does not realize how big the underground is in America, only the stupid will believe these claims because only the stupid are unaware of the foundations.

First I will admit my bias - as I do with Trump - you see Mendax is a legend to us hacker types, he has our allegiance and likely always will. I was sucked into the hacktivist scene when I was just a kid, but I am far too... obedient to break laws as they do. I do not have their passion for rebellion... I'll just stop mincing words, if I didn't have synesthesia I would most certainly be a gray in the underground. How could I deny such a worthy cause? Truth has ever been the calling of my spirit and my shield - for what is truth in the end but the raw acquirement of filtered knowledge. My goals in life, acquiring knowledge, has been the essence of my existence since I was in my 20s. How can I become the most intelligent person in the world if I do not remain vigilant seeking truth A joke for my foolish dreams FYI - I'm far too late to catch up to the others, but it is a related joke...

It was Mendax's hacker cult ideology that stole my first love and half my friends, so yea, I've researched this bastard up and down wanting to discredit him (and many others,) anything to get my group back together. But I couldn't find anything, he's a god damned perfectionist... Like most skilled hackers, he's impeccable, flawless - no evidence, not a scrap remains to burn them but to make shit up - which I cannot do because I revere the truth too much. It irks me to have no scapegoat for losing "control" over my peeps but what can I do when there is nothing? I have to accept the truth, that there is truth in Wikileaks, and Assange, and further that I have no choice but to read it. Like knowing there's a trap on the road in front of you but having no other option except traversing it heh


Anyway, you have to understand the mentality of these people. Mendax has no love for /any/ country. He doesn't much like governments and most of his closest friends/allies are anarchists. He is obsessed, truly obsessed, with hacking and truth.

He's been on the run from the beginning you know, from the very beginning, and not because of hacking, but because of a religious cult ( Julian Assange: 'We just kept moving' His childhood was pretty fucked up if you actually read about it. )

In any event I think it is because of his close relation to, and long flight from, this tripped out cult that he has been paranoid from the very beginning of pretty much anyone in power. He has /no/ allegiances at all but to his belief in transparency and truth, ( an ideology I cannot help but understand and respect,) because that at least had served him honestly when nothing else did. And this too, I believe, is the connection that binds Assange and Anonymous ( the anti illuminate ) and indeed to many other pseudo religious groups [aka cults] the world over. - They, collectively, are his hacktivists, his sources, his tools. They confide in him because he was, perhaps even still is, the only one willing to even accept their submissions due to their affiliations. Most governments and media write them off as fringe, but he knows quite intimately that they exist and that they have a certain power, the ability to control people, the ability to get information, the ability to convince others to do what they want them to do.

If one were to put this into religious context (and I'll just tell you that many hacktivists do so) there is the light and the dark on this planet, and evil is what religious nuts the world over fight - it's a fight nearly as old as civilization so really it should not surprise too many. Mendax knows, as do most thinking people, that kernels of truth are easy to ply from devout believers that someone is "evil" - such a belief drives them to extremes - One must simply listen to their crazy ramblings and filter it all down to the essence of truth that begs investigation. Soro's too does this, though near universally the hacktivists consider him the evil they fight these days.

When taken in this context, it is very easy to understand then why the hacktivists, Wikileaks sources, would seek to take Soro's and his lapdog Hillary down. This is not rocket science, nor is it the Russian government, this is merely a culty following attacking someone they perceive as a devil. Putin, I've no doubt is quite pleased with their efforts, after all he's got no love for Clinton and Obama, but to think that he'd be so foolish as to give Wikileaks insiders an in so deep in his fortress is quite simply ludicrous, especially when one puts into context the reality of hacktivists goals of anarchy. They despise Putin just as much as they despise every other government official, and /anyone/ who might seek to control them.

THAT is the essence of Wikileaks, and Assange's sources, their "goals" that the morons in power won't share with the public because they know the power it would give the hacktivists - transparency and truth, who could argue against such a thing? It is the only reality that matters on this planet. It is why governments in general haven't gone after him, until now... The DNC and Soro's are so completely fucked by this election that they are willing to risk finding out just how powerful the hacktivists truly are. That's astounding.

I do hope that the cultist's live up to my expectations, though either way its sure to be entertaining to watch. The final spin of global Jnan chauper \o/

If we presume that the opening moves began in the 70s with the unaffiliated hacktivist uprising on the heels of Nixon's corruption, invasion of Cambodia, Kent state, and federal justice corruption (aka in February of 1970, all of the defendants are acquitted of conspiracy and five of them are convicted of inciting a riot. They were sentenced to five years in prison each and given $5,000 in fines each - overturned due to judicial bias in 1972.) Then we are on spin 46; meaning that 2017 is likely the last spin of the game.

Jnan Chauper (game of wisdom), aka Vaikunthapali, aka Paramapada Sopana Patam (the ladder to salvation,) aka Saanp aur Seedhi, aka Saanp Seedhi, aka Mokshapat, aka Snakes and Ladders, aka Chutes and Ladders.

The morality lesson of the game was that a person can attain salvation (Moksha) through doing good, whereas by doing evil one will inherit rebirth to lower forms of life. The number of ladders was less than the number of snakes as a reminder that a path of good is much more difficult to tread than a path of sins. Presumably, reaching the last square (number 100) represented the attainment of Moksha (spiritual liberation).

When the game was brought to England, the Indian virtues and vices were replaced by English ones in hopes of better reflecting Victorian doctrines of morality. Squares of Fulfillment, Grace and Success were accessible by ladders of Thrift, Penitence and Industry and snakes of Indulgence, Disobedience and Indolence caused one to end up in Illness, Disgrace and Poverty. While the Indian version of the game had snakes outnumbering ladders, the English counterpart was more forgiving as it contained each in the same amount.[8] This concept of equality signifies the cultural ideal that for every sin one commits, there exists another chance at redemption.

In the original game the squares of virtue are: Faith (12), Reliability (51), Generosity (57), Knowledge (76), and Asceticism (78). The squares of vice or evil are: Disobedience (41), Vanity (44), Vulgarity (49), Theft (52), Lying (58), Drunkenness (62), Debt (69), Murder (73), Rage (84), Greed (92), Pride (95), and Lust (99).

A player will need an average of 39.6 spins to move from the starting point, which is off the board, to square 100. A two-player game is expected to end in 47.76 moves with a 50.9% chance of winning for the first player.

All games have morals; and the game of Snakes and Ladders captures, as no other activity can hope to do, the eternal truth that for every ladder you hope to climb, a snake is waiting just around the corner, and for every snake a ladder will compensate. But it's more than that; no mere carrot-and-stick affair; because implicit in the game is unchanging twoness of things, the duality of up against down, good against evil; the solid rationality of ladders balances the occult sinuosities of the serpent; in the opposition of staircase and cobra we can see, metaphorically, all conceivable oppositions, Alpha against Omega, father against mother.

The term "hactivist" was coined by... "Omega"

Hacker culture, an idea derived from a community of enthusiast computer programmers and systems designers, in the 1960s around the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's (MIT's) Tech Model Railroad Club (TMRC)[2] and MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory.[3] The hobbyist home computing community, focusing on hardware in the late 1970s (e.g. the Homebrew Computer Club)[4] and on software (video games,[5] software cracking, the demoscene) in the 1980s/1990s. Later, this would go on to encompass many new definitions such as art, and Life hacking.

If we presume that the opening moves began in the 70s with the unaffiliated hacktivist uprising on the heels of Nixon's corruption, invasion of Cambodia, Kent state, and federal justice corruption (aka in February of 1970, all of the defendants are acquitted of conspiracy and five of them are convicted of inciting a riot. They were sentenced to five years in prison each and given $5,000 in fines each - overturned due to judicial bias in 1972.) Then we are on spin 46; meaning that 2017 is likely the last spin of the game.

 

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From what we're hearing on the news, Russia has been employing criminals to do these wiki-leak attacks. Obama has taken unprecedented actions by removing 35 Russian diplomats, closing down 2 separate locations where they were allowed to operate in country, and removing all of them and their families. John McCain stated that it was not only the recent U.S. election that they interfered with, but other countries elections also.

"Among them are two men who were already on the FBI’s Most Wanted list. Evgeniy Bogachev is wanted for a number of charges, including conspiracy, bank fraud, wire fraud, computer fraud, money laundering, and identity theft. He was indicted under an online nickname in 2012, and again under his real name in 2014. There is a reward of up to $3 million for information leading to his arrest.

Alexsey Belan is wanted for computer intrusion, aggravated identity theft, and fraud in connection with a computer. Federal warrants were issued for him in June 2012 and September 2013, and the FBI is offering up to $100,000 for information leading to his arrest."
Two Expelled Russian Diplomats Were On FBI Most Wanted List

Comrade Trump's tweety response. It's time to move on, but he has finally agreed to meet with intelligence agencies next week to review their information. You know the information that he has been denying since October 2016.

Impeachment next--Russian diplomats admit contact with Trump campaign.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/11/world/europe/trump-campaign-russia.html?_r=1

. Ok, so they are hackers, but what do you call Obama and company when they tried to influence the Egyptian election or the result in the aftermath ? How about their meddling in the Israeli elections ? Should we give our own a name as well ??

Russia, who is trying to wipe out western civilizations is hacking and you say 'so?'

Russia is trying to wipe out western civilization? By hacking Democrat emails?

You better secure those servers cause Isis will go all matrix on you when they hear this plan

 

[Iceweasel]

so...was leaking Trump's tax returns (illegally) ok by you then?

Not to me. I don't think I've heard anyone say hacking is OK either. First off, we don't even know if it was a hack, a inside leak seems much more likely. The murdered DNC guy that was going to spill the beans seems awfully suspicious and Assange went on a war path directly after.

However, I don't any of the above played a role, those against Trump or Hillary weren't swinging over based on emails or tax returns. If an undecided was swayed by a bad year for Trump or DNC corruption revelations they were already leaning towards a camp anyway.

 

[EverCurious]

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White hacking, even a good deal of gray hacking, are fine. It's not "hacking" you should fight universally, but the crackers (black hackers) who use their gains for selfish intentions.

 

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In diplomatic maneuvering - you also don't take a kick in the nuts when it's strategically better not to. A small country, like the Philippines - you can ignore a kick in the nuts and do something minor, like cancel a meeting. With a country like Russia, committing a much larger transgression, I think a point needs to be made or Russia, being Russia, will just keep on doing it.

"With a country like Russia, committing a much larger transgression,"

What much larger transgression did Russia commit?

Hacking the DNC and attempting to influence our election. All Dutarte was utter vulgar insults.

How come the corruption the DNC hack exposed doesn't offend you but the fact that it was exposed does?

First, no corruption was exposed.

Second, why are you not demanding that Reince Priebus' or Steve Bannon's personal emails get published. You deserve to know, right? You want to be informed, don't you?

Intellectually dishonest.

If no corruption was exposed, then nothing of value was in the emails and Russian influence on the election is negligible meaning this escalation is even more stupid and reckless.

You can't argue nothing of value was exposed and then whine about the Russians exposing it. Either wikileaks exposed Democrat corruption which may have had an impact on the election or they didn't, in which case we can 100% sure no impact happened. See revealing nothing has no impact.

And the difference between Republicans and Democrats is that If priebus had his emails leaked and they showed the level of corruption the Democrat emails did, we would be calling for priebus's head instead of starting crap with the Russians.

It must be groundhog day.

You are saying the same thing over and over.

There was no corruption.

There was a cyber attack led by the Russian government on our democracy.

You are upset at the wrong thing.

 

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Obama seriously is trying to throw gasoline on the world before he leaves.

We just had foreign interference in our presidential election and you dumbfucks act like it was a good thing. WTF is wrong with you people?

No we didn't. Creating conflict over a lie is reckless. You lost in a fair election. Deal with it.

 

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"With a country like Russia, committing a much larger transgression,"

What much larger transgression did Russia commit?

Hacking the DNC and attempting to influence our election. All Dutarte was utter vulgar insults.

How come the corruption the DNC hack exposed doesn't offend you but the fact that it was exposed does?

First, no corruption was exposed.

Second, why are you not demanding that Reince Priebus' or Steve Bannon's personal emails get published. You deserve to know, right? You want to be informed, don't you?

Intellectually dishonest.

If no corruption was exposed, then nothing of value was in the emails and Russian influence on the election is negligible meaning this escalation is even more stupid and reckless.

You can't argue nothing of value was exposed and then whine about the Russians exposing it. Either wikileaks exposed Democrat corruption which may have had an impact on the election or they didn't, in which case we can 100% sure no impact happened. See revealing nothing has no impact.

And the difference between Republicans and Democrats is that If priebus had his emails leaked and they showed the level of corruption the Democrat emails did, we would be calling for priebus's head instead of starting crap with the Russians.

It must be groundhog day.

You are saying the same thing over and over.

There was no corruption.

There was a cyber attack led by the Russian government on our democracy.

You are upset at the wrong thing.

We don't have a democracy.

And Democrat emails being exposed to the public showing their corruption did not hurt our republic. Or even influence the election much.


You guys lost. I get it. It hurts your ego to lose to Donald trump. Not exactly my top choice either. But the election was fair. Starting international conflict to deny the reality of what happened will not change it. And will potentially cost a lot of lives.

But hey your pride is more important than the lives of the peons.

You guys are truly unbelievable.

Bush stands up to Russia over Georgia. He is a warmonger.

Obama does nothing over Ukraine. No problem
Kerry accuses Russia of war crimes. No problem.

Wikileaks releases emails from the DNC that allegedly came from a Russian hack: kick them out of the country!

I'd say you were intellectually dishonest. But that would require intelligence. This is just stupid and dishonest.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Hacking the DNC and attempting to influence our election. All Dutarte was utter vulgar insults.

How come the corruption the DNC hack exposed doesn't offend you but the fact that it was exposed does?

First, no corruption was exposed.

Second, why are you not demanding that Reince Priebus' or Steve Bannon's personal emails get published. You deserve to know, right? You want to be informed, don't you?

Intellectually dishonest.

If no corruption was exposed, then nothing of value was in the emails and Russian influence on the election is negligible meaning this escalation is even more stupid and reckless.

You can't argue nothing of value was exposed and then whine about the Russians exposing it. Either wikileaks exposed Democrat corruption which may have had an impact on the election or they didn't, in which case we can 100% sure no impact happened. See revealing nothing has no impact.

And the difference between Republicans and Democrats is that If priebus had his emails leaked and they showed the level of corruption the Democrat emails did, we would be calling for priebus's head instead of starting crap with the Russians.

It must be groundhog day.

You are saying the same thing over and over.

There was no corruption.

There was a cyber attack led by the Russian government on our democracy.

You are upset at the wrong thing.

We don't have a democracy.

And Democrat emails being exposed to the public showing their corruption did not hurt our republic. Or even influence the election much.


You guys lost. I get it. It hurts your ego to lose to Donald trump. Not exactly my top choice either. But the election was fair. Starting international conflict to deny the reality of what happened will not change it. And will potentially cost a lot of lives.

But hey your pride is more important than the lives of the peons.

You guys are truly unbelievable.

Bush stands up to Russia over Georgia. He is a warmonger.

Obama does nothing over Ukraine. No problem
Kerry accuses Russia of war crimes. No problem.

Wikileaks releases emails from the DNC that allegedly came from a Russian hack: kick them out of the country!

I'd say you were intellectually dishonest. But that would require intelligence. This is just stupid and dishonest.

Why did you say that Obama did nothing over Ukraine?

 

[Avatar4321]

You don't kick them in the nuts if you want them to sit and work out any problems without violence

In diplomatic maneuvering - you also don't take a kick in the nuts when it's strategically better not to. A small country, like the Philippines - you can ignore a kick in the nuts and do something minor, like cancel a meeting. With a country like Russia, committing a much larger transgression, I think a point needs to be made or Russia, being Russia, will just keep on doing it.

"With a country like Russia, committing a much larger transgression,"

What much larger transgression did Russia commit?

Hacking the DNC and attempting to influence our election. All Dutarte was utter vulgar insults.

How come the corruption the DNC hack exposed doesn't offend you but the fact that it was exposed does?

Because if Hillary had won or Wikileaks had released RNC info, you wouldn't care.

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Why would I care is RNC corruption is exposed?

And no. If Hillary won it would still be stupid to create unnecessary tension with the Russians .

 

[Avatar4321]

If you anti-Americans love Putin/Russia so much. Move your un- patriotic ass over to Russia and don't let the door hit your fat ass on your way outa here!

You don't have to love Russia to realize provoking them is stupid

Did Russia not provoke us?

Let's for the sake of argument, say the Russians are behind wikileaks.

All wikileaks did was release accurate information about Democrats.

You guys are seriously trying to argue that having an informed electorate is bad for the republic and as a consequence we need to provoke Russia for revealing democrat corruption.

Really?

Get real.

Spin. You are buying into the spin.

The ends do not justify the means when the means involves a foreign actor's cyber attack on our democracy.

Informed my ass.

No spin needed. You are escalating because of party pride period. Party is more important than our nation to you.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Russia, Trump, and Treason (with tweets) · TheRickWilson

 

[OldLady]

IMO, you're being partisan. Did you truly expect the US to do nothing? Then you'd be complaining that he was bending over and taking it from Putin.

And how much hacking has the US done in foreign countries? Don't be naive.

How much of it did we sell to Wikileaks? I'm sure some of our European posters would have told us if we had.

do you think Putin would rather sell the hacked emails than use them as political ammunition?

Does that really sound logical to you?

How much can Wikileaks have that the amount they paid Putin made it worth Putins while to give up good stuff he can use for blackmail?

Apply yourself. I dare you.

Putin DID use it for political ammunition. And it was fairly effective. (No, I don't want to argue if the Russian hack lost Hillary the election.)

what do you think Putin...or any adversary would prefer....
Trump as our president...

or...

Hillary as our president along with her hacked emails that he could use as political ammunition/blackmail

Think about it.

Stop listening to what our politicians say (on both sides of the aisle) and simply.....think about it.

Really.

Those hacked emails didn't include anything damning enough to Hillary to use effectively as blackmail. They did their job by dripping out day after day for the last months of her campaign, undermining the credibility of her party. And although I don't always believe what politicians say, when their explanations make perfect sense, I see no need to question them.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

And Putin bombs Syrian hospitals....yep, he's a man we can all admire all r

Is that where ISIS is hiding their armaments and troops?

 

[EverCurious]

Yes, it makes perfect sense that anonymous hackers the world over, who have historically tried to destroy Putin, are suddenly his lapdogs because they love Trump...

You realize the ramifications of what you are saying do you not? Trump will take over the world if this is true... Hmmm is that the problem then? Soros is jelly of the threat? I could believe that for sure.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And the far right and alt right above defend the Russians and Putin at the expense of America.

Disgusting and criminal.

 

[Avatar4321]

And the far right and alt right above defend the Russians and Putin at the expense of America.

Disgusting and criminal.

How exactly is America hurt by arguing that we shouldn't increase tension with Russia during a lame duck presidency over hacking allegations that we still don't have a report on and haven't verified?

How does increasing tension with Russia benefit us? At all.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It benefits obama by leaving Trump with a foreign policy crisis.

http://nypost.com/2016/12/29/obamas-ugly-bid-to-snub-voters-and-tie-trumps-hands/

 

[PoliticalChic]

What The Russian Hacking Report DOESN’T Say
By Washington's Blog
Global Research, December 29, 2016
Washington's Blog
Region: Russia and FSU, USA
Theme: Intelligence

Today, the Department of Homeland Security and FBI released a report alleging Russian hacking.

It’s important to note what the report does NOT say …

It does NOT allege any of the following:

• It doesn’t claim that it’s accurate. Instead, the report starts with a disclaimer, and uses the same type of weasel words – “as is”, “does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding any information” – that someone selling a lemon uses when he doesn’t want to talk about the fact that the blasted thing won’t run and doesn’t want to get sued for false misrepresentation:

• It doesn’t mention Wikileaks … not even once. In other words, the report does not allege that the Russians gave any Democratic Party or Podesta emails to Wikileaks

• It doesn’t address the fact that the NSA possesses records showing exactly how the emails went from the Democratic Party to Wikileaks, as it tracks all electronic communications in the U.S.

• It doesn’t address the fact that Russia would not have used widely known hacking methods (and wouldn’t have paid tribute within the code to a famous Russian intelligence officer), and that anyone could have copied these methods and names

• It doesn’t address the fact that top former NSA and CIA officials (and Wikileaks) says that these were not hacks at all … but rather leaks by American insiders

• It doesn’t address American intelligence services’ less-than-stellar history of truthfulness, and routinely skew intelligence to justify preordained policy outcomes

• It doesn’t address the fact that – according to the Los Angeles Times – the U.S. interfered in foreign elections 81 times between 1946 and 2000 … compared to only 36 times by the Ruskies

• It doesn’t address the fact that most Americans aren’t buying the whole claim that the Russians hacked our election

In other words, the report really doesn’t say much of anything …

http://www.globalresearch.ca/what-the-russian-hacking-report-doesnt-say/5565479

What a truly excellent post.
Definitive and dispositive.

 

[Avatar4321]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/30/europe/russia-us-diplomats-expulsion/index.

Looks like Putin isn't going to respond and waste his time with Obama anymore.

Sad day when the Russians are wiser than the president.