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WTO hands Obama victory in U.S.-China steel case

WTO hands Obama win in US-China steel case

Obama files trade complaint against China’s aluminum dumping at WTO

FACT SHEET: The Obama Administration’s Record on the Trade Enforcement

'Protectionist' Obama Escalates Trade War, Slams China With Subsidized Aluminum Complaint
President Obama noted he U.S. under his tenure has filed more enforcement complaints in the WTO than any other country and has won every one that’s been decided...



I miss having a president who knew how to win. Now we have orange.

Of course he had wins, he's the most socialist president in U.S history. He doubled U.S debt and was an ardent anti-Israeli, the WTO loved him. So did the UN. They even gave him a Noble Peace prize just for the anticipated socialism he was going to bring to America.

Ask how much of U.S debt China now owns. Who funded the Chinese rise so they can in turn BUY the same debt that YOU used to help them with that rise?

Common sense, it's simple

Republicans passed the biggest tax cut for the rich in history. We called it the Bush Tax cuts.

Then they went to war financed through credit cards.

Then they smashed the economy. Remember when they said let the auto companies go bankrupt?

Then, they handed everything over to Obama.
They handed over debt after making sure revenue sources were gone.
They handed over a ruined economy.

Finally, after 8 years, Obama has brought the economy back and he handed a thriving economy to Trump.

But Bush's and the GOP's crash are blamed on Obama and Obama's success is credited to Trump.

It's like when Obama took down Bin Laden, Republicans said it must have been Bush. The guy who let Bin Laden go and stopped looking for him.

Face it. Obama was a better president than any Republican for the last 50 years.

You guys may hate black people second only to gays, but Obama was both a good president and black. No wonder Republicans are apoplectic.

 

[aaronleland]

After Trump's inauguration a company I used to work for reopened a steel mill previously shuttered by U.S. Steel, citing Trump's EO that all pipelines in America would have to use pipes provided by American steelmakers. Of course this EO meant nothing. There was no legal way to make it happen. That same company had to recently lay off half their workers, citing the fact that they thought Trump would do more for steel workers than he has. I was one of those workers.

 

[Moonglow]

After Trump's inauguration a company I used to work for reopened a steel mill previously shuttered by U.S. Steel, citing Trump's EO that all pipelines in America would have to use pipes provided by American steelmakers. Of course this EO meant nothing. There was no legal way to make it happen. That same company had to recently lay off half their workers, citing the fact that they thought Trump would do more for steel workers than he has. I was one of those workers.

Did you do a lot of coke at the steel mill?

 

[Toro]

Economic illiteracy used to be dominated by the Left.

But now it's the Right who show no clue about how economics works.

One of the first things you learn in Econ 101 is that tariffs are a net destroyer of jobs. They create or protect jobs in the favored industry of the politicians but destroy jobs everywhere else while making the economy less efficient. That’s why conservative economists have argued against tariffs for centuries.

This study estimates that Trump’s tariffs would cost 146,000 jobs.

Does Import Protection Save Jobs? The Estimated Impacts of Proposed Tariffs on Imports of U.S. Steel and Aluminum (2018) | TRADE PARTNERSHIP WORLDWIDE, LLC

Ok, you follow the "experts". Ask these experts at what point the U.S dollar loses all value, your budget deficit cannot be paid, your trade deficit collapses the market. Go ahead and ask.

Ask how many future entitlements your citizens are willing to "sacrifice" for the sake of the global socialists. That's what is be used as collateral when the dollar is worth nothing in the face of massive inflation.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, and eventually you have to pay the bill. You can read these "experts", I will use simple logic and historic precedent. Debt isn't infinite.

Trade deficits don't collapse the market. America's massive trade deficits started under Reagan. The doomsayers were saying the same thing then as you are now. And like them, you are just as wrong.

YOU are the global socialist. YOU are picking the winners and losers in the economy. It's just that YOU are hiding behind the intellectual fraud of being a "conservative," doing the same thing the CAW and the NDP have advocated for decades.

And you have been saying the same thing about inflation for a decade, being wrong all the while.

Free marketeers are embarrassed by the anti-intellectual frauds who are masquerading as free market conservatives when they are closer to the likes of Mussolini on economic policy.

 

[aaronleland]

After Trump's inauguration a company I used to work for reopened a steel mill previously shuttered by U.S. Steel, citing Trump's EO that all pipelines in America would have to use pipes provided by American steelmakers. Of course this EO meant nothing. There was no legal way to make it happen. That same company had to recently lay off half their workers, citing the fact that they thought Trump would do more for steel workers than he has. I was one of those workers.

Did you do a lot of coke at the steel mill?

Um... no comment.

 

[Moonglow]

Economic illiteracy used to be dominated by the Left.

But now it's the Right who show no clue about how economics works.

One of the first things you learn in Econ 101 is that tariffs are a net destroyer of jobs. They create or protect jobs in the favored industry of the politicians but destroy jobs everywhere else while making the economy less efficient. That’s why conservative economists have argued against tariffs for centuries.

This study estimates that Trump’s tariffs would cost 146,000 jobs.

Does Import Protection Save Jobs? The Estimated Impacts of Proposed Tariffs on Imports of U.S. Steel and Aluminum (2018) | TRADE PARTNERSHIP WORLDWIDE, LLC

Ok, you follow the "experts". Ask these experts at what point the U.S dollar loses all value, your budget deficit cannot be paid, your trade deficit collapses the market. Go ahead and ask.

Ask how many future entitlements your citizens are willing to "sacrifice" for the sake of the global socialists. That's what is be used as collateral when the dollar is worth nothing in the face of massive inflation.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, and eventually you have to pay the bill. You can read these "experts", I will use simple logic and historic precedent. Debt isn't infinite.

Trade deficits don't collapse the market. America's massive trade deficits started under Reagan. The doomsayers were saying the same thing then as you are now. And like them, you are just as wrong.

YOU are the global socialist. YOU are picking the winners and losers in the economy. It's just that YOU are hiding behind the intellectual fraud of being a "conservative," doing the same thing the CAW and the NDP have advocated for decades.

And you have been saying the same thing about inflation for a decade, being wrong all the while.

Free marketeers are embarrassed by the anti-intellectual frauds who are masquerading as free market conservatives when they are closer to the likes of Mussolini on economic policy.

The liberal economic ideology died fast with these fellows..

 

[80zephyr]

Sorta scary to think we would have to rely on other nations to supply us raw materials, if there was some sort of global conflict. Especially considering that some who we get these metals from aren't exactly our friends.

Mark

Its like you are just parroting the Trump talking points.

You do realize we produce steel and aluminum in the United States? Right?

But we don't produce much in the way of rare metals- that mostly come from China?

I have read articles that show our steel/aluminum capabilities are way down, and why wouldn't they be if we can get the stuff cheaper from other countries. If that doesn't concern you, it should.

Mark

 

[aaronleland]

Sorta scary to think we would have to rely on other nations to supply us raw materials, if there was some sort of global conflict. Especially considering that some who we get these metals from aren't exactly our friends.

Mark

Its like you are just parroting the Trump talking points.

You do realize we produce steel and aluminum in the United States? Right?

But we don't produce much in the way of rare metals- that mostly come from China?

I have read articles that show our steel/aluminum capabilities are way down, and why wouldn't they be if we can get the stuff cheaper from other countries. If that doesn't concern you, it should.

Mark

I've worked for two big steel companies over the past few years that had high hopes after Trump was elected. Both have laid off hundreds of employees since then. I don't see any hope in America's steel industry. More broken promises by this administration.

 

[80zephyr]

Economic illiteracy used to be dominated by the Left.

But now it's the Right who show no clue about how economics works.

One of the first things you learn in Econ 101 is that tariffs are a net destroyer of jobs. They create or protect jobs in the favored industry of the politicians but destroy jobs everywhere else while making the economy less efficient. That’s why conservative economists have argued against tariffs for centuries.

This study estimates that Trump’s tariffs would cost 146,000 jobs.

Does Import Protection Save Jobs? The Estimated Impacts of Proposed Tariffs on Imports of U.S. Steel and Aluminum (2018) | TRADE PARTNERSHIP WORLDWIDE, LLC

Ok, you follow the "experts". Ask these experts at what point the U.S dollar loses all value, your budget deficit cannot be paid, your trade deficit collapses the market. Go ahead and ask.

Ask how many future entitlements your citizens are willing to "sacrifice" for the sake of the global socialists. That's what is be used as collateral when the dollar is worth nothing in the face of massive inflation.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, and eventually you have to pay the bill. You can read these "experts", I will use simple logic and historic precedent. Debt isn't infinite.

Trade deficits don't collapse the market. America's massive trade deficits started under Reagan. The doomsayers were saying the same thing then as you are now. And like them, you are just as wrong.

YOU are the global socialist. YOU are picking the winners and losers in the economy. It's just that YOU are hiding behind the intellectual fraud of being a "conservative," doing the same thing the CAW and the NDP have advocated for decades.

And you have been saying the same thing about inflation for a decade, being wrong all the while.

Free marketeers are embarrassed by the anti-intellectual frauds who are masquerading as free market conservatives when they are closer to the likes of Mussolini on economic policy.

Hmm. Define "market"? Our market is the one who foots the bill for world peace. Our market is the one who foots the bill for research development of drugs.

How can our market survive without a level playing field? If our competitors economic policies would make Friedman mad, just how can we compete without a level playing field?

Mark

 

[80zephyr]

Sorta scary to think we would have to rely on other nations to supply us raw materials, if there was some sort of global conflict. Especially considering that some who we get these metals from aren't exactly our friends.

Mark

Its like you are just parroting the Trump talking points.

You do realize we produce steel and aluminum in the United States? Right?

But we don't produce much in the way of rare metals- that mostly come from China?

I have read articles that show our steel/aluminum capabilities are way down, and why wouldn't they be if we can get the stuff cheaper from other countries. If that doesn't concern you, it should.

Mark

I've worked for two big steel companies over the past few years that had high hopes after Trump was elected. Both have laid off hundreds of employees since then. I don't see any hope in America's steel industry. More broken promises by this administration.

I am from Wisconsin, and paper mills are/were a way of life here. From my understanding, the Chinese stole our paper making technology and is using it to undercut American paper companies.

China, India, etc, have a shit ton of people, unless we protect our industry, we will become a nation of burger flippers and baby sitters.

Mark

 

[Syriusly]

Sorta scary to think we would have to rely on other nations to supply us raw materials, if there was some sort of global conflict. Especially considering that some who we get these metals from aren't exactly our friends.

Mark

Its like you are just parroting the Trump talking points.

You do realize we produce steel and aluminum in the United States? Right?

But we don't produce much in the way of rare metals- that mostly come from China?

I have read articles that show our steel/aluminum capabilities are way down, and why wouldn't they be if we can get the stuff cheaper from other countries. If that doesn't concern you, it should.

Mark

I've worked for two big steel companies over the past few years that had high hopes after Trump was elected. Both have laid off hundreds of employees since then. I don't see any hope in America's steel industry. More broken promises by this administration.

I am from Wisconsin, and paper mills are/were a way of life here. From my understanding, the Chinese stole our paper making technology and is using it to undercut American paper companies.

China, India, etc, have a shit ton of people, unless we protect our industry, we will become a nation of burger flippers and baby sitters.

Mark

Now you have finally identified something real- China does steal technology.

And we should certainly retaliate against that- but Trump has not done anything to address that issue.

Meanwhile- protecting our industry? That is not capitalism- not sure what it is- but its not capitalism.

 

[Syriusly]

Economic illiteracy used to be dominated by the Left.

But now it's the Right who show no clue about how economics works.

One of the first things you learn in Econ 101 is that tariffs are a net destroyer of jobs. They create or protect jobs in the favored industry of the politicians but destroy jobs everywhere else while making the economy less efficient. That’s why conservative economists have argued against tariffs for centuries.

This study estimates that Trump’s tariffs would cost 146,000 jobs.

Does Import Protection Save Jobs? The Estimated Impacts of Proposed Tariffs on Imports of U.S. Steel and Aluminum (2018) | TRADE PARTNERSHIP WORLDWIDE, LLC

Ok, you follow the "experts". Ask these experts at what point the U.S dollar loses all value, your budget deficit cannot be paid, your trade deficit collapses the market. Go ahead and ask.

Ask how many future entitlements your citizens are willing to "sacrifice" for the sake of the global socialists. That's what is be used as collateral when the dollar is worth nothing in the face of massive inflation.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, and eventually you have to pay the bill. You can read these "experts", I will use simple logic and historic precedent. Debt isn't infinite.

Trade deficits don't collapse the market. America's massive trade deficits started under Reagan. The doomsayers were saying the same thing then as you are now. And like them, you are just as wrong.

YOU are the global socialist. YOU are picking the winners and losers in the economy. It's just that YOU are hiding behind the intellectual fraud of being a "conservative," doing the same thing the CAW and the NDP have advocated for decades.

And you have been saying the same thing about inflation for a decade, being wrong all the while.

Free marketeers are embarrassed by the anti-intellectual frauds who are masquerading as free market conservatives when they are closer to the likes of Mussolini on economic policy.

Hmm. Define "market"? Our market is the one who foots the bill for world peace. Our market is the one who foots the bill for research development of drugs.

How can our market survive without a level playing field? If our competitors economic policies would make Friedman mad, just how can we compete without a level playing field?

Mark

Certainly we should have a level playing field. And there are mechanisms for that- anti-dumping/countervailing duty- those get initiated all the time.

Putting a 25% tariff on all steel imports isn't that- it is protecting American industry from competition- all competition.

 

[80zephyr]

Sorta scary to think we would have to rely on other nations to supply us raw materials, if there was some sort of global conflict. Especially considering that some who we get these metals from aren't exactly our friends.

Mark

Its like you are just parroting the Trump talking points.

You do realize we produce steel and aluminum in the United States? Right?

But we don't produce much in the way of rare metals- that mostly come from China?

I have read articles that show our steel/aluminum capabilities are way down, and why wouldn't they be if we can get the stuff cheaper from other countries. If that doesn't concern you, it should.

Mark

I've worked for two big steel companies over the past few years that had high hopes after Trump was elected. Both have laid off hundreds of employees since then. I don't see any hope in America's steel industry. More broken promises by this administration.

I am from Wisconsin, and paper mills are/were a way of life here. From my understanding, the Chinese stole our paper making technology and is using it to undercut American paper companies.

China, India, etc, have a shit ton of people, unless we protect our industry, we will become a nation of burger flippers and baby sitters.

Mark

Now you have finally identified something real- China does steal technology.

And we should certainly retaliate against that- but Trump has not done anything to address that issue.

Meanwhile- protecting our industry? That is not capitalism- not sure what it is- but its not capitalism.

Gutting our industry should be a matter of national security. And like I stated earlier, we should tariff everyone on earth that uses our military might for protection. There is no level playing field without it.

Mark

 

[Syriusly]

Sorta scary to think we would have to rely on other nations to supply us raw materials, if there was some sort of global conflict. Especially considering that some who we get these metals from aren't exactly our friends.

Mark

Its like you are just parroting the Trump talking points.

You do realize we produce steel and aluminum in the United States? Right?

But we don't produce much in the way of rare metals- that mostly come from China?

I have read articles that show our steel/aluminum capabilities are way down, and why wouldn't they be if we can get the stuff cheaper from other countries. If that doesn't concern you, it should.

Mark

???? So if we can get 'stuff' from other countries cheaper- that should concern me?

That is the global economy.

We sell corn to the world cheaper than anyone else. Does that mean Mexico should slap big tariff's on corn to protect their agriculture?

Again I will ask- why exactly is it that American steel cannot compete with Canadian steel?

Why does American steel need to have Canadian steel priced 25% higher to compete with Canadian steel?

 

[Syriusly]

Its like you are just parroting the Trump talking points.

You do realize we produce steel and aluminum in the United States? Right?

But we don't produce much in the way of rare metals- that mostly come from China?

I have read articles that show our steel/aluminum capabilities are way down, and why wouldn't they be if we can get the stuff cheaper from other countries. If that doesn't concern you, it should.

Mark

I've worked for two big steel companies over the past few years that had high hopes after Trump was elected. Both have laid off hundreds of employees since then. I don't see any hope in America's steel industry. More broken promises by this administration.

I am from Wisconsin, and paper mills are/were a way of life here. From my understanding, the Chinese stole our paper making technology and is using it to undercut American paper companies.

China, India, etc, have a shit ton of people, unless we protect our industry, we will become a nation of burger flippers and baby sitters.

Mark

Now you have finally identified something real- China does steal technology.

And we should certainly retaliate against that- but Trump has not done anything to address that issue.

Meanwhile- protecting our industry? That is not capitalism- not sure what it is- but its not capitalism.

Gutting our industry should be a matter of national security. And like I stated earlier, we should tariff everyone on earth that uses our military might for protection. There is no level playing field without it.

Mark

You do realize that the cost of our national defense is unrelated to our industry.

Certainly if you believe that we should stop pretending to be a capitalist country and instead focus on putting up trade barriers to support uncompetitive American manufacturers- that is a valid- non-Capitilist position.

 

[Syriusly]

Here's the deal, The fact that U.S. Steel is hiring is bad news to the anti-American crazy radical left but a bimbo named Stormy Daniels is the crazy left's new hero. Go figure.

Glad U.S. Steel is hiring.

I just think that levying a 25% tax on steel from Canada to protect American steel will hurt American manufacturing that relies on steel.

But hey- it will play well to the steel voters- to hell with the rest of manufacturing- right?

 

[Syriusly]

Well fascinating isn't it? Except that there is no anti-dumping on Chinese Steel in the United States.

Why would China tranship to Canada when there is no reason too- and why would the United States allow that fraud?

"fascinating" isn't a word I'd use....ever heard of the WTO? It's the kind of outfit you leftist nitwits adore so I'm curious why you wouldn't admit they are the ones who enforce dumping ie selling below cost to harm domestic industries. Remember how Japan killed our electronics industry? Our musical instrument companies? Damn near our car companies? Wiped out the entire European motorcycle industry? When was the last time you bought a lawnmower of leaf blower made in the US? Did we forget how to make these products after inventing all of them?

All you have to do is seek out responses to know. Wake up America, and please contact Trump and show your support. Contact those who agree with them and show your support. When someone fights him on an issue, contact them and ask them wtf they are doing.

Consider what these sob's have in store for America, and you would have already had been there already if Clinton won:

The EU were going to challenge the LEGALITY of Trump making those tax cuts. Let that sink in ffs and shake your head. Another trade block is questioning U.S sovereignty to make a tax cut in your nation

Roberto Azevêdo of the WTO spoke out against the tariffs Trump announced. Why in the hell would this follow a decision by Trump when no official complaint was made, first of all, secondly, China has 3x the value of tariffs against America, EU at least 2x. Where in the hell is his screaming that ALL WTO members should rid of barriers and tariffs? Easy, he wants CHINA to grow, at Americas expense.

India just announced a 60% tariff on chick peas here. Do you her the WTO? How about the massive subsidies Canada applies to their market, they even have a term for our economic system "supply-management", it's from the 60's ffs, designed to protect our market from America and we aren't giving you a bloody inch in NAFTA talks, The token globalist Obama told Trudeau how to handle Trump, don't worry about that. He will make sure the institutions in the U.S and global will fight Trump and your Executive Powers. Not a peep from the WTO.

But America DARE defend it's economy, workers, industry and confront trade imbalances the world has never seen? Like hell you will, you have no liberty on the world stage.

You sound like an NDPer.

No, I drank from the globalization kool-aid and I support global trade, but you cannot sell your country out to a communist state, or socialist abusers who place massive barriers, and protect their economies, while your workers suffer and American debt, pays for the success of foreign governments..

We sell massive amounts of steel to Canada.

Why exactly do we need to slap 25% tariff's on steel from Canada to protect American steel from Canadian steel?

 

[Syriusly]

Its like you are just parroting the Trump talking points.

You do realize we produce steel and aluminum in the United States? Right?

But we don't produce much in the way of rare metals- that mostly come from China?

I have read articles that show our steel/aluminum capabilities are way down, and why wouldn't they be if we can get the stuff cheaper from other countries. If that doesn't concern you, it should.

Mark

I've worked for two big steel companies over the past few years that had high hopes after Trump was elected. Both have laid off hundreds of employees since then. I don't see any hope in America's steel industry. More broken promises by this administration.

I am from Wisconsin, and paper mills are/were a way of life here. From my understanding, the Chinese stole our paper making technology and is using it to undercut American paper companies.

China, India, etc, have a shit ton of people, unless we protect our industry, we will become a nation of burger flippers and baby sitters.

Mark

Now you have finally identified something real- China does steal technology.

And we should certainly retaliate against that- but Trump has not done anything to address that issue.

Meanwhile- protecting our industry? That is not capitalism- not sure what it is- but its not capitalism.

Gutting our industry should be a matter of national security. And like I stated earlier, we should tariff everyone on earth that uses our military might for protection. There is no level playing field without it.

Mark

So who uses our military might for protection- exactly?

Certainly South Korea and Japan and Israel.

But China doesn't- China would happily see us out of the China sea.

How are we going to 'tariff' everyone on earth exactly?

 

[80zephyr]

Sorta scary to think we would have to rely on other nations to supply us raw materials, if there was some sort of global conflict. Especially considering that some who we get these metals from aren't exactly our friends.

Mark

Its like you are just parroting the Trump talking points.

You do realize we produce steel and aluminum in the United States? Right?

But we don't produce much in the way of rare metals- that mostly come from China?

I have read articles that show our steel/aluminum capabilities are way down, and why wouldn't they be if we can get the stuff cheaper from other countries. If that doesn't concern you, it should.

Mark

???? So if we can get 'stuff' from other countries cheaper- that should concern me?

That is the global economy.

We sell corn to the world cheaper than anyone else. Does that mean Mexico should slap big tariff's on corn to protect their agriculture?

Again I will ask- why exactly is it that American steel cannot compete with Canadian steel?

Why does American steel need to have Canadian steel priced 25% higher to compete with Canadian steel?

If things deteriorate on this planet for any reason, we NEED the ability to manufacture our own goods. I would hate to think that our enemies could control access to vital resources during a time of need.

As to your question, I have no idea why. But, my main concern is security, not trade.

Mark

 

[80zephyr]

I have read articles that show our steel/aluminum capabilities are way down, and why wouldn't they be if we can get the stuff cheaper from other countries. If that doesn't concern you, it should.

Mark

I've worked for two big steel companies over the past few years that had high hopes after Trump was elected. Both have laid off hundreds of employees since then. I don't see any hope in America's steel industry. More broken promises by this administration.

I am from Wisconsin, and paper mills are/were a way of life here. From my understanding, the Chinese stole our paper making technology and is using it to undercut American paper companies.

China, India, etc, have a shit ton of people, unless we protect our industry, we will become a nation of burger flippers and baby sitters.

Mark

Now you have finally identified something real- China does steal technology.

And we should certainly retaliate against that- but Trump has not done anything to address that issue.

Meanwhile- protecting our industry? That is not capitalism- not sure what it is- but its not capitalism.

Gutting our industry should be a matter of national security. And like I stated earlier, we should tariff everyone on earth that uses our military might for protection. There is no level playing field without it.

Mark

So who uses our military might for protection- exactly?

Certainly South Korea and Japan and Israel.

But China doesn't- China would happily see us out of the China sea.

How are we going to 'tariff' everyone on earth exactly?

I said everyone on Earth that uses our military might. Which includes most of the countries on Earth.

Mark