VA School PullTo Kill A Mockingbird’, ‘Huck Finn’ From Shelves

Let's not forget here,

we're talking with conservatives here who demand that Creationism be considered science, and taught in schools accordingly.
 
You lie, you get called out, easyt. The meathead far right in the school district are banning books, and it is a joke to you.

Got it.

At the same time -- the LEFTY school boards have ALREADY REPLACED Mark Twain and other classics with tales of Gang-Banging, drugs and crime..

Difference is -- in the more conservative districts --- TWAIN is STILL on the reading list.
Bunch of fucking Hypocrites. I fought this same fight in Cali 15 or 20 years ago.. You partisans are so screwed up....
This really doesn't have much to do with politics, Flacaltenn. It's an approach to accessing literature for young people. Delve into works involving issues and settings they can relate to. I was among those kids who read The Outsiders and a lot of other young adult lit, AS WELL as Tom Sawyer and Shakespeare's plays. As a huge admirer of Mark Twain, I hate to see him off the shelf, but he is a hard slog for some readers, and the kids would be far more interested in stories about their own time and place. There are counter arguments to all of this, I realize, but I really don't think it's about left and right so much.

It really IS politics when you've confronted it in a place like California. It's a belief that the American past and heritage is SOO ugly and tainted, that it OFFENDS too many groups and identities. And HAS to be removed.
Things like Mark Twain -- who happens to be one of the ONLY fictional authors that I've read the MAJORITY of his work..

That's the LEFT perspective that I've observed. THEN FlaCalTenn moves from lefty Cali to righty Tenn. Largely to prevent my daughter from fully transforming into a fluff-head Valley Girl. And I'm right in the middle of a fight started by the RIGHTY censors -- trying to pull "To Kill a Mockingbird" and others OUT of the libraries and reading lists here. THEIR MOTIVES were simply morality issues. NOT a better excuse, except maybe for grade appropriate use.

In the Cali case -- these zealots had a WHOLE LIST of replacement reading. Which was worse than a night watching HBO series. And there was NO WAY that was an intellectual or academic replacement for all the lit they did BAN.. In the Tenn case -- it was ISOLATED classics that conflicted with way folks exposed their children to adult topics.

It doesn't end there. Parents in both places were "protecting" their children. In Cali it was madness with helicopter parents STILL arranging playdates for Middle School kids and getting into adult fights about texts their children sent. While in Tenn, those kids are driving ATVs across yards/fields/woods without helmets, playing paintball, soft pellet gun games in the woods, and shooting Roman Candles on 4th of July at each other while the parents giggle about it. Seems like they TRUST their kids more and teach responsibility and respect in different ways.

That's why -- we're NOT "Stronger Together" or one big happy village. Because those choices have very DIFFERENT principles and goals attached to them. And having fought with BOTH sides about keeping the public schools NEUTRAL in those choices --- they both need Tolerance, Consistency, and Respect for that "neutrality".

Because THIS thread is nothing but a whole can of hypocritical whining to me.. .
Twain would be tickled, of course, that people are still screaming about his works. It's exactly what he meant to do.
I know it's occurred to you that you can share these great works with your daughter by going to the public library, even if the school believes it's damned.
You should read Merry Men by Carolyn Chute. All about class war between poor and rich/rural and not. I think you might actually enjoy it. It was an awesome novel, even if it is set in Maine.

My grandparents, who lived like survivalists, but weren't, had the entire Twain library. I later bought one for myself. Visited his newspaper room in Nevada City. Just crazed about his writings. Especially the preachy ones !!!

I'd never PUSH a son/daughter towards any fictional work. Not even the Bible or Harry Potter. Being pushed to read "Passage to India" completely BROKE ME in College. Went to the prof and told her -- I JUST COULD NOT DO IT.. I've touched very little fiction since if it wasn't Clancy or Creighton. And that is what was insidious about REPLACING classics with current literal shit in California. The replacement stuff was mind-blowingly bad.

All that said -- I made a note -- to take a look at Merry Men. :biggrin:
 

You killed the thread Dude. Get your news update the hell out of the fighting here. :eusa_clap:
Doesn't sound like a "partisan" rout. More of some clandestine "busy bodies" who get on the School Board.

How hard is it to teach that Samuel Clemens was an ARDENT abolitionist? That he was outspoken about ending slavery BEFORE he wrote Huck Finn? Instead of counting the number of times the "n word" appears?

Twain wrote
The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
in 1884 In 1885 it was removed from the Concord Massachusetts Public Library because of "low grade morality and irreverence”
In the book Finn lies, is friends with a black, swears, and doesn't return the stolen property (Jim)
What Finn did was unheard of even in 1885, and it wasn't removed from the library for racism but rather for the 'inappropriate' behavior of Finn
Mark Twain never bothered with the claims and he was known to have told his publisher “That will sell 25,000 copies for us, sure.”
 
Puddinhead Wilson is one of his greatest books.

The ending is funny, bittersweet, and apt.
 
You lie, you get called out, easyt. The meathead far right in the school district are banning books, and it is a joke to you.

Got it.

At the same time -- the LEFTY school boards have ALREADY REPLACED Mark Twain and other classics with tales of Gang-Banging, drugs and crime..

Difference is -- in the more conservative districts --- TWAIN is STILL on the reading list.
Bunch of fucking Hypocrites. I fought this same fight in Cali 15 or 20 years ago.. You partisans are so screwed up....

Trump won Accomack County, in Virginia, where this school district is located.
Link to school board members voting Trump?
And while he is at it ...the link showing voter status of the parents who complained.

Which party do you have to belong to in order to file a complaint at a school district, Adolph?
You are the one asssigning political status to them. Where is your link Nazi boy?
 
You lie, you get called out, easyt. The meathead far right in the school district are banning books, and it is a joke to you.

Got it.

At the same time -- the LEFTY school boards have ALREADY REPLACED Mark Twain and other classics with tales of Gang-Banging, drugs and crime..

Difference is -- in the more conservative districts --- TWAIN is STILL on the reading list.
Bunch of fucking Hypocrites. I fought this same fight in Cali 15 or 20 years ago.. You partisans are so screwed up....
This really doesn't have much to do with politics, Flacaltenn. It's an approach to accessing literature for young people. Delve into works involving issues and settings they can relate to. I was among those kids who read The Outsiders and a lot of other young adult lit, AS WELL as Tom Sawyer and Shakespeare's plays. As a huge admirer of Mark Twain, I hate to see him off the shelf, but he is a hard slog for some readers, and the kids would be far more interested in stories about their own time and place. There are counter arguments to all of this, I realize, but I really don't think it's about left and right so much.

It really IS politics when you've confronted it in a place like California. It's a belief that the American past and heritage is SOO ugly and tainted, that it OFFENDS too many groups and identities. And HAS to be removed.
Things like Mark Twain -- who happens to be one of the ONLY fictional authors that I've read the MAJORITY of his work..

That's the LEFT perspective that I've observed. THEN FlaCalTenn moves from lefty Cali to righty Tenn. Largely to prevent my daughter from fully transforming into a fluff-head Valley Girl. And I'm right in the middle of a fight started by the RIGHTY censors -- trying to pull "To Kill a Mockingbird" and others OUT of the libraries and reading lists here. THEIR MOTIVES were simply morality issues. NOT a better excuse, except maybe for grade appropriate use.

In the Cali case -- these zealots had a WHOLE LIST of replacement reading. Which was worse than a night watching HBO series. And there was NO WAY that was an intellectual or academic replacement for all the lit they did BAN.. In the Tenn case -- it was ISOLATED classics that conflicted with way folks exposed their children to adult topics.

It doesn't end there. Parents in both places were "protecting" their children. In Cali it was madness with helicopter parents STILL arranging playdates for Middle School kids and getting into adult fights about texts their children sent. While in Tenn, those kids are driving ATVs across yards/fields/woods without helmets, playing paintball, soft pellet gun games in the woods, and shooting Roman Candles on 4th of July at each other while the parents giggle about it. Seems like they TRUST their kids more and teach responsibility and respect in different ways.

That's why -- we're NOT "Stronger Together" or one big happy village. Because those choices have very DIFFERENT principles and goals attached to them. And having fought with BOTH sides about keeping the public schools NEUTRAL in those choices --- they both need Tolerance, Consistency, and Respect for that "neutrality".

Because THIS thread is nothing but a whole can of hypocritical whining to me.. .
Twain would be tickled, of course, that people are still screaming about his works. It's exactly what he meant to do.
I know it's occurred to you that you can share these great works with your daughter by going to the public library, even if the school believes it's damned.
You should read Merry Men by Carolyn Chute. All about class war between poor and rich/rural and not. I think you might actually enjoy it. It was an awesome novel, even if it is set in Maine.

My grandparents, who lived like survivalists, but weren't, had the entire Twain library. I later bought one for myself. Visited his newspaper room in Nevada City. Just crazed about his writings. Especially the preachy ones !!!

I'd never PUSH a son/daughter towards any fictional work. Not even the Bible or Harry Potter. Being pushed to read "Passage to India" completely BROKE ME in College. Went to the prof and told her -- I JUST COULD NOT DO IT.. I've touched very little fiction since if it wasn't Clancy or Creighton. And that is what was insidious about REPLACING classics with current literal shit in California. The replacement stuff was mind-blowingly bad.

All that said -- I made a note -- to take a look at Merry Men. :biggrin:
Absolutely you must NEVER push a book on a kid. If you bring it home and leave it on your bed stand and tell them they're too young to read it, it might work though. LOL I can see where Passage to India would be like bamboo under the fingernails for you. I felt the same way about DH Lawrence.
I'll have to check out Clancy--loved Crichton.
 
At the same time -- the LEFTY school boards have ALREADY REPLACED Mark Twain and other classics with tales of Gang-Banging, drugs and crime..

Difference is -- in the more conservative districts --- TWAIN is STILL on the reading list.
Bunch of fucking Hypocrites. I fought this same fight in Cali 15 or 20 years ago.. You partisans are so screwed up....
This really doesn't have much to do with politics, Flacaltenn. It's an approach to accessing literature for young people. Delve into works involving issues and settings they can relate to. I was among those kids who read The Outsiders and a lot of other young adult lit, AS WELL as Tom Sawyer and Shakespeare's plays. As a huge admirer of Mark Twain, I hate to see him off the shelf, but he is a hard slog for some readers, and the kids would be far more interested in stories about their own time and place. There are counter arguments to all of this, I realize, but I really don't think it's about left and right so much.

It really IS politics when you've confronted it in a place like California. It's a belief that the American past and heritage is SOO ugly and tainted, that it OFFENDS too many groups and identities. And HAS to be removed.
Things like Mark Twain -- who happens to be one of the ONLY fictional authors that I've read the MAJORITY of his work..

That's the LEFT perspective that I've observed. THEN FlaCalTenn moves from lefty Cali to righty Tenn. Largely to prevent my daughter from fully transforming into a fluff-head Valley Girl. And I'm right in the middle of a fight started by the RIGHTY censors -- trying to pull "To Kill a Mockingbird" and others OUT of the libraries and reading lists here. THEIR MOTIVES were simply morality issues. NOT a better excuse, except maybe for grade appropriate use.

In the Cali case -- these zealots had a WHOLE LIST of replacement reading. Which was worse than a night watching HBO series. And there was NO WAY that was an intellectual or academic replacement for all the lit they did BAN.. In the Tenn case -- it was ISOLATED classics that conflicted with way folks exposed their children to adult topics.

It doesn't end there. Parents in both places were "protecting" their children. In Cali it was madness with helicopter parents STILL arranging playdates for Middle School kids and getting into adult fights about texts their children sent. While in Tenn, those kids are driving ATVs across yards/fields/woods without helmets, playing paintball, soft pellet gun games in the woods, and shooting Roman Candles on 4th of July at each other while the parents giggle about it. Seems like they TRUST their kids more and teach responsibility and respect in different ways.

That's why -- we're NOT "Stronger Together" or one big happy village. Because those choices have very DIFFERENT principles and goals attached to them. And having fought with BOTH sides about keeping the public schools NEUTRAL in those choices --- they both need Tolerance, Consistency, and Respect for that "neutrality".

Because THIS thread is nothing but a whole can of hypocritical whining to me.. .
Twain would be tickled, of course, that people are still screaming about his works. It's exactly what he meant to do.
I know it's occurred to you that you can share these great works with your daughter by going to the public library, even if the school believes it's damned.
You should read Merry Men by Carolyn Chute. All about class war between poor and rich/rural and not. I think you might actually enjoy it. It was an awesome novel, even if it is set in Maine.

My grandparents, who lived like survivalists, but weren't, had the entire Twain library. I later bought one for myself. Visited his newspaper room in Nevada City. Just crazed about his writings. Especially the preachy ones !!!

I'd never PUSH a son/daughter towards any fictional work. Not even the Bible or Harry Potter. Being pushed to read "Passage to India" completely BROKE ME in College. Went to the prof and told her -- I JUST COULD NOT DO IT.. I've touched very little fiction since if it wasn't Clancy or Creighton. And that is what was insidious about REPLACING classics with current literal shit in California. The replacement stuff was mind-blowingly bad.

All that said -- I made a note -- to take a look at Merry Men. :biggrin:
Absolutely you must NEVER push a book on a kid. If you bring it home and leave it on your bed stand and tell them they're too young to read it, it might work though. LOL I can see where Passage to India would be like bamboo under the fingernails for you. I felt the same way about DH Lawrence.
I'll have to check out Clancy--loved Crichton.

My parents never had to do that with me....I read voraciously...I hid books inside textbooks and pretended to read the textbook :p
 
This really doesn't have much to do with politics, Flacaltenn. It's an approach to accessing literature for young people. Delve into works involving issues and settings they can relate to. I was among those kids who read The Outsiders and a lot of other young adult lit, AS WELL as Tom Sawyer and Shakespeare's plays. As a huge admirer of Mark Twain, I hate to see him off the shelf, but he is a hard slog for some readers, and the kids would be far more interested in stories about their own time and place. There are counter arguments to all of this, I realize, but I really don't think it's about left and right so much.

It really IS politics when you've confronted it in a place like California. It's a belief that the American past and heritage is SOO ugly and tainted, that it OFFENDS too many groups and identities. And HAS to be removed.
Things like Mark Twain -- who happens to be one of the ONLY fictional authors that I've read the MAJORITY of his work..

That's the LEFT perspective that I've observed. THEN FlaCalTenn moves from lefty Cali to righty Tenn. Largely to prevent my daughter from fully transforming into a fluff-head Valley Girl. And I'm right in the middle of a fight started by the RIGHTY censors -- trying to pull "To Kill a Mockingbird" and others OUT of the libraries and reading lists here. THEIR MOTIVES were simply morality issues. NOT a better excuse, except maybe for grade appropriate use.

In the Cali case -- these zealots had a WHOLE LIST of replacement reading. Which was worse than a night watching HBO series. And there was NO WAY that was an intellectual or academic replacement for all the lit they did BAN.. In the Tenn case -- it was ISOLATED classics that conflicted with way folks exposed their children to adult topics.

It doesn't end there. Parents in both places were "protecting" their children. In Cali it was madness with helicopter parents STILL arranging playdates for Middle School kids and getting into adult fights about texts their children sent. While in Tenn, those kids are driving ATVs across yards/fields/woods without helmets, playing paintball, soft pellet gun games in the woods, and shooting Roman Candles on 4th of July at each other while the parents giggle about it. Seems like they TRUST their kids more and teach responsibility and respect in different ways.

That's why -- we're NOT "Stronger Together" or one big happy village. Because those choices have very DIFFERENT principles and goals attached to them. And having fought with BOTH sides about keeping the public schools NEUTRAL in those choices --- they both need Tolerance, Consistency, and Respect for that "neutrality".

Because THIS thread is nothing but a whole can of hypocritical whining to me.. .
Twain would be tickled, of course, that people are still screaming about his works. It's exactly what he meant to do.
I know it's occurred to you that you can share these great works with your daughter by going to the public library, even if the school believes it's damned.
You should read Merry Men by Carolyn Chute. All about class war between poor and rich/rural and not. I think you might actually enjoy it. It was an awesome novel, even if it is set in Maine.

My grandparents, who lived like survivalists, but weren't, had the entire Twain library. I later bought one for myself. Visited his newspaper room in Nevada City. Just crazed about his writings. Especially the preachy ones !!!

I'd never PUSH a son/daughter towards any fictional work. Not even the Bible or Harry Potter. Being pushed to read "Passage to India" completely BROKE ME in College. Went to the prof and told her -- I JUST COULD NOT DO IT.. I've touched very little fiction since if it wasn't Clancy or Creighton. And that is what was insidious about REPLACING classics with current literal shit in California. The replacement stuff was mind-blowingly bad.

All that said -- I made a note -- to take a look at Merry Men. :biggrin:
Absolutely you must NEVER push a book on a kid. If you bring it home and leave it on your bed stand and tell them they're too young to read it, it might work though. LOL I can see where Passage to India would be like bamboo under the fingernails for you. I felt the same way about DH Lawrence.
I'll have to check out Clancy--loved Crichton.

My parents never had to do that with me....I read voraciously...I hid books inside textbooks and pretended to read the textbook :p

You never met a book of fiction that you just couldn't get thru? I still have scars from forcing myself to TRY to read Passage to India. And tried TWICE to read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and failed.

I guess I'm just not "moved" by some things.
 
It really IS politics when you've confronted it in a place like California. It's a belief that the American past and heritage is SOO ugly and tainted, that it OFFENDS too many groups and identities. And HAS to be removed.
Things like Mark Twain -- who happens to be one of the ONLY fictional authors that I've read the MAJORITY of his work..

That's the LEFT perspective that I've observed. THEN FlaCalTenn moves from lefty Cali to righty Tenn. Largely to prevent my daughter from fully transforming into a fluff-head Valley Girl. And I'm right in the middle of a fight started by the RIGHTY censors -- trying to pull "To Kill a Mockingbird" and others OUT of the libraries and reading lists here. THEIR MOTIVES were simply morality issues. NOT a better excuse, except maybe for grade appropriate use.

In the Cali case -- these zealots had a WHOLE LIST of replacement reading. Which was worse than a night watching HBO series. And there was NO WAY that was an intellectual or academic replacement for all the lit they did BAN.. In the Tenn case -- it was ISOLATED classics that conflicted with way folks exposed their children to adult topics.

It doesn't end there. Parents in both places were "protecting" their children. In Cali it was madness with helicopter parents STILL arranging playdates for Middle School kids and getting into adult fights about texts their children sent. While in Tenn, those kids are driving ATVs across yards/fields/woods without helmets, playing paintball, soft pellet gun games in the woods, and shooting Roman Candles on 4th of July at each other while the parents giggle about it. Seems like they TRUST their kids more and teach responsibility and respect in different ways.

That's why -- we're NOT "Stronger Together" or one big happy village. Because those choices have very DIFFERENT principles and goals attached to them. And having fought with BOTH sides about keeping the public schools NEUTRAL in those choices --- they both need Tolerance, Consistency, and Respect for that "neutrality".

Because THIS thread is nothing but a whole can of hypocritical whining to me.. .
Twain would be tickled, of course, that people are still screaming about his works. It's exactly what he meant to do.
I know it's occurred to you that you can share these great works with your daughter by going to the public library, even if the school believes it's damned.
You should read Merry Men by Carolyn Chute. All about class war between poor and rich/rural and not. I think you might actually enjoy it. It was an awesome novel, even if it is set in Maine.

My grandparents, who lived like survivalists, but weren't, had the entire Twain library. I later bought one for myself. Visited his newspaper room in Nevada City. Just crazed about his writings. Especially the preachy ones !!!

I'd never PUSH a son/daughter towards any fictional work. Not even the Bible or Harry Potter. Being pushed to read "Passage to India" completely BROKE ME in College. Went to the prof and told her -- I JUST COULD NOT DO IT.. I've touched very little fiction since if it wasn't Clancy or Creighton. And that is what was insidious about REPLACING classics with current literal shit in California. The replacement stuff was mind-blowingly bad.

All that said -- I made a note -- to take a look at Merry Men. :biggrin:
Absolutely you must NEVER push a book on a kid. If you bring it home and leave it on your bed stand and tell them they're too young to read it, it might work though. LOL I can see where Passage to India would be like bamboo under the fingernails for you. I felt the same way about DH Lawrence.
I'll have to check out Clancy--loved Crichton.

My parents never had to do that with me....I read voraciously...I hid books inside textbooks and pretended to read the textbook :p

You never met a book of fiction that you just couldn't get thru? I still have scars from forcing myself to TRY to read Passage to India. And tried TWICE to read Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and failed.

I guess I'm just not "moved" by some things.

I was more the Andre Norton and Marion Zimmer Bradley school of fiction...never got through those.

:p
 
This really doesn't have much to do with politics, Flacaltenn. It's an approach to accessing literature for young people. Delve into works involving issues and settings they can relate to. I was among those kids who read The Outsiders and a lot of other young adult lit, AS WELL as Tom Sawyer and Shakespeare's plays. As a huge admirer of Mark Twain, I hate to see him off the shelf, but he is a hard slog for some readers, and the kids would be far more interested in stories about their own time and place. There are counter arguments to all of this, I realize, but I really don't think it's about left and right so much.

It really IS politics when you've confronted it in a place like California. It's a belief that the American past and heritage is SOO ugly and tainted, that it OFFENDS too many groups and identities. And HAS to be removed.
Things like Mark Twain -- who happens to be one of the ONLY fictional authors that I've read the MAJORITY of his work..

That's the LEFT perspective that I've observed. THEN FlaCalTenn moves from lefty Cali to righty Tenn. Largely to prevent my daughter from fully transforming into a fluff-head Valley Girl. And I'm right in the middle of a fight started by the RIGHTY censors -- trying to pull "To Kill a Mockingbird" and others OUT of the libraries and reading lists here. THEIR MOTIVES were simply morality issues. NOT a better excuse, except maybe for grade appropriate use.

In the Cali case -- these zealots had a WHOLE LIST of replacement reading. Which was worse than a night watching HBO series. And there was NO WAY that was an intellectual or academic replacement for all the lit they did BAN.. In the Tenn case -- it was ISOLATED classics that conflicted with way folks exposed their children to adult topics.

It doesn't end there. Parents in both places were "protecting" their children. In Cali it was madness with helicopter parents STILL arranging playdates for Middle School kids and getting into adult fights about texts their children sent. While in Tenn, those kids are driving ATVs across yards/fields/woods without helmets, playing paintball, soft pellet gun games in the woods, and shooting Roman Candles on 4th of July at each other while the parents giggle about it. Seems like they TRUST their kids more and teach responsibility and respect in different ways.

That's why -- we're NOT "Stronger Together" or one big happy village. Because those choices have very DIFFERENT principles and goals attached to them. And having fought with BOTH sides about keeping the public schools NEUTRAL in those choices --- they both need Tolerance, Consistency, and Respect for that "neutrality".

Because THIS thread is nothing but a whole can of hypocritical whining to me.. .
Twain would be tickled, of course, that people are still screaming about his works. It's exactly what he meant to do.
I know it's occurred to you that you can share these great works with your daughter by going to the public library, even if the school believes it's damned.
You should read Merry Men by Carolyn Chute. All about class war between poor and rich/rural and not. I think you might actually enjoy it. It was an awesome novel, even if it is set in Maine.

My grandparents, who lived like survivalists, but weren't, had the entire Twain library. I later bought one for myself. Visited his newspaper room in Nevada City. Just crazed about his writings. Especially the preachy ones !!!

I'd never PUSH a son/daughter towards any fictional work. Not even the Bible or Harry Potter. Being pushed to read "Passage to India" completely BROKE ME in College. Went to the prof and told her -- I JUST COULD NOT DO IT.. I've touched very little fiction since if it wasn't Clancy or Creighton. And that is what was insidious about REPLACING classics with current literal shit in California. The replacement stuff was mind-blowingly bad.

All that said -- I made a note -- to take a look at Merry Men. :biggrin:
Absolutely you must NEVER push a book on a kid. If you bring it home and leave it on your bed stand and tell them they're too young to read it, it might work though. LOL I can see where Passage to India would be like bamboo under the fingernails for you. I felt the same way about DH Lawrence.
I'll have to check out Clancy--loved Crichton.

My parents never had to do that with me....I read voraciously...I hid books inside textbooks and pretended to read the textbook :p
I used to get my stepson books about boogers and other stuff that he thought was hilarious. It was definitely not in good taste, but it got him to read.
 
It really IS politics when you've confronted it in a place like California. It's a belief that the American past and heritage is SOO ugly and tainted, that it OFFENDS too many groups and identities. And HAS to be removed.
Things like Mark Twain -- who happens to be one of the ONLY fictional authors that I've read the MAJORITY of his work..

That's the LEFT perspective that I've observed. THEN FlaCalTenn moves from lefty Cali to righty Tenn. Largely to prevent my daughter from fully transforming into a fluff-head Valley Girl. And I'm right in the middle of a fight started by the RIGHTY censors -- trying to pull "To Kill a Mockingbird" and others OUT of the libraries and reading lists here. THEIR MOTIVES were simply morality issues. NOT a better excuse, except maybe for grade appropriate use.

In the Cali case -- these zealots had a WHOLE LIST of replacement reading. Which was worse than a night watching HBO series. And there was NO WAY that was an intellectual or academic replacement for all the lit they did BAN.. In the Tenn case -- it was ISOLATED classics that conflicted with way folks exposed their children to adult topics.

It doesn't end there. Parents in both places were "protecting" their children. In Cali it was madness with helicopter parents STILL arranging playdates for Middle School kids and getting into adult fights about texts their children sent. While in Tenn, those kids are driving ATVs across yards/fields/woods without helmets, playing paintball, soft pellet gun games in the woods, and shooting Roman Candles on 4th of July at each other while the parents giggle about it. Seems like they TRUST their kids more and teach responsibility and respect in different ways.

That's why -- we're NOT "Stronger Together" or one big happy village. Because those choices have very DIFFERENT principles and goals attached to them. And having fought with BOTH sides about keeping the public schools NEUTRAL in those choices --- they both need Tolerance, Consistency, and Respect for that "neutrality".

Because THIS thread is nothing but a whole can of hypocritical whining to me.. .
Twain would be tickled, of course, that people are still screaming about his works. It's exactly what he meant to do.
I know it's occurred to you that you can share these great works with your daughter by going to the public library, even if the school believes it's damned.
You should read Merry Men by Carolyn Chute. All about class war between poor and rich/rural and not. I think you might actually enjoy it. It was an awesome novel, even if it is set in Maine.

My grandparents, who lived like survivalists, but weren't, had the entire Twain library. I later bought one for myself. Visited his newspaper room in Nevada City. Just crazed about his writings. Especially the preachy ones !!!

I'd never PUSH a son/daughter towards any fictional work. Not even the Bible or Harry Potter. Being pushed to read "Passage to India" completely BROKE ME in College. Went to the prof and told her -- I JUST COULD NOT DO IT.. I've touched very little fiction since if it wasn't Clancy or Creighton. And that is what was insidious about REPLACING classics with current literal shit in California. The replacement stuff was mind-blowingly bad.

All that said -- I made a note -- to take a look at Merry Men. :biggrin:
Absolutely you must NEVER push a book on a kid. If you bring it home and leave it on your bed stand and tell them they're too young to read it, it might work though. LOL I can see where Passage to India would be like bamboo under the fingernails for you. I felt the same way about DH Lawrence.
I'll have to check out Clancy--loved Crichton.

My parents never had to do that with me....I read voraciously...I hid books inside textbooks and pretended to read the textbook :p
I used to get my stepson books about boogers and other stuff that he thought was hilarious. It was definitely not on good taste, but it got him to read.

And that is the point...I HATED the "required" reading...I mean seriously how many times can you read about the adventures of Dick and Jane? My parents suggested they give me books on dinosaurs and I would read them :p
 
Twain would be tickled, of course, that people are still screaming about his works. It's exactly what he meant to do.
I know it's occurred to you that you can share these great works with your daughter by going to the public library, even if the school believes it's damned.
You should read Merry Men by Carolyn Chute. All about class war between poor and rich/rural and not. I think you might actually enjoy it. It was an awesome novel, even if it is set in Maine.

My grandparents, who lived like survivalists, but weren't, had the entire Twain library. I later bought one for myself. Visited his newspaper room in Nevada City. Just crazed about his writings. Especially the preachy ones !!!

I'd never PUSH a son/daughter towards any fictional work. Not even the Bible or Harry Potter. Being pushed to read "Passage to India" completely BROKE ME in College. Went to the prof and told her -- I JUST COULD NOT DO IT.. I've touched very little fiction since if it wasn't Clancy or Creighton. And that is what was insidious about REPLACING classics with current literal shit in California. The replacement stuff was mind-blowingly bad.

All that said -- I made a note -- to take a look at Merry Men. :biggrin:
Absolutely you must NEVER push a book on a kid. If you bring it home and leave it on your bed stand and tell them they're too young to read it, it might work though. LOL I can see where Passage to India would be like bamboo under the fingernails for you. I felt the same way about DH Lawrence.
I'll have to check out Clancy--loved Crichton.

My parents never had to do that with me....I read voraciously...I hid books inside textbooks and pretended to read the textbook :p
I used to get my stepson books about boogers and other stuff that he thought was hilarious. It was definitely not on good taste, but it got him to read.

And that is the point...I HATED the "required" reading...I mean seriously how many times can you read about the adventures of Dick and Jane? My parents suggested they give me books on dinosaurs and I would read them :p

Dinosaurs
Astronomy
WW II
Airplanes.
 
I feel sad for any children that don't learn the joy of reading and the worlds contained within books...they sustained me through difficult times.
 
My grandparents, who lived like survivalists, but weren't, had the entire Twain library. I later bought one for myself. Visited his newspaper room in Nevada City. Just crazed about his writings. Especially the preachy ones !!!

I'd never PUSH a son/daughter towards any fictional work. Not even the Bible or Harry Potter. Being pushed to read "Passage to India" completely BROKE ME in College. Went to the prof and told her -- I JUST COULD NOT DO IT.. I've touched very little fiction since if it wasn't Clancy or Creighton. And that is what was insidious about REPLACING classics with current literal shit in California. The replacement stuff was mind-blowingly bad.

All that said -- I made a note -- to take a look at Merry Men. :biggrin:
Absolutely you must NEVER push a book on a kid. If you bring it home and leave it on your bed stand and tell them they're too young to read it, it might work though. LOL I can see where Passage to India would be like bamboo under the fingernails for you. I felt the same way about DH Lawrence.
I'll have to check out Clancy--loved Crichton.

My parents never had to do that with me....I read voraciously...I hid books inside textbooks and pretended to read the textbook :p
I used to get my stepson books about boogers and other stuff that he thought was hilarious. It was definitely not on good taste, but it got him to read.

And that is the point...I HATED the "required" reading...I mean seriously how many times can you read about the adventures of Dick and Jane? My parents suggested they give me books on dinosaurs and I would read them :p

Dinosaurs
Astronomy
WW II
Airplanes.


Dinosaurs
Civil War
Horses
Fantasy
 

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