Values-Who’s Got ‘Em

[alang1216]

'Abortion' is the Litmus Test for having or not having values.

No it's not, any more than slavery was the litmus test for our founding fathers. Many didn't consider Blacks to be human beings, like now many don't consider a fertilized egg to be a human being. Did the founding fathers have values? Yes but values change as society changes.

Can I assume that this is your motto?

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

No, you may not. I firmly believe in the sanctity of human life. What I don't believe is that a fertilized egg is a human life. It may become one in the future but it is not one at that stage. Same for a human sperm and egg, neither constitutes a human being.

"I firmly believe in the sanctity of human life. What I don't believe is that a fertilized egg is a human life."

Well, let me provide the lacunae you missed in high school:

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner

"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote. Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point." - Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland



Are you opposed to science, the most rudimentary biology????




Are you now claiming that you oppose abortion?

Biologically you may be correct, however, my statement, that I don't believe a fertilized egg is a human life, is not based on science. There are some questions that science can't answer, e.g., when is a person old enough to vote.

I consider humans to be unique in the animal world, we can think & reason, sense our environment, feel emotions, etc. A fertilized egg can do none of these things, it is little different from any other single-celled creature. Only once it can do some of these should it be protected as should any human being.

<here's where you ignore my point and reply with a clever but childish insult>

 

[PoliticalChic]

'Abortion' is the Litmus Test for having or not having values.

No it's not, any more than slavery was the litmus test for our founding fathers. Many didn't consider Blacks to be human beings, like now many don't consider a fertilized egg to be a human being. Did the founding fathers have values? Yes but values change as society changes.

Can I assume that this is your motto?

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

No, you may not. I firmly believe in the sanctity of human life. What I don't believe is that a fertilized egg is a human life. It may become one in the future but it is not one at that stage. Same for a human sperm and egg, neither constitutes a human being.

"I firmly believe in the sanctity of human life. What I don't believe is that a fertilized egg is a human life."

Well, let me provide the lacunae you missed in high school:

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner

"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote. Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point." - Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland



Are you opposed to science, the most rudimentary biology????




Are you now claiming that you oppose abortion?

Biologically you may be correct, however, my statement, that I don't believe a fertilized egg is a human life, is not based on science. There are some questions that science can't answer, e.g., when is a person old enough to vote.

I consider humans to be unique in the animal world, we can think & reason, sense our environment, feel emotions, etc. A fertilized egg can do none of these things, it is little different from any other single-celled creature. Only once it can do some of these should it be protected as should any human being.

<here's where you ignore my point and reply with a clever but childish insult>

"Biologically you may be correct, however, my statement, that I don't believe a fertilized egg is a human life, is not based on science."


You can say that again.




This was your statements:

"I firmly believe in the sanctity of human life. What I don't believe is that a fertilized egg is a human life."


This was mine:
Time for normal folks to face it: for Democrat voters, not education, nor experience, have any bearing on their beliefs.
The Left tells 'em what to believe, and they don't dare question or even test the reality of those ideas.

They just vote Democrat.

'Cause they're really, really good at following orders.
Thinking? Not so much.



Seems you proved I hit one out the park again.

 

[alang1216]

Biologically you may be correct, however, my statement, that I don't believe a fertilized egg is a human life, is not based on science. There are some questions that science can't answer, e.g., when is a person old enough to vote.

I consider humans to be unique in the animal world, we can think & reason, sense our environment, feel emotions, etc. A fertilized egg can do none of these things, it is little different from any other single-celled creature. Only once it can do some of these should it be protected as should any human being.

<here's where you ignore my point and reply with a clever but childish insult>

"Biologically you may be correct, however, my statement, that I don't believe a fertilized egg is a human life, is not based on science."


You can say that again.




This was your statements:

"I firmly believe in the sanctity of human life. What I don't believe is that a fertilized egg is a human life."


This was mine:
Time for normal folks to face it: for Democrat voters, not education, nor experience, have any bearing on their beliefs.
The Left tells 'em what to believe, and they don't dare question or even test the reality of those ideas.

They just vote Democrat.

'Cause they're really, really good at following orders.
Thinking? Not so much.



Seems you proved I hit one out the park again.

It appears Dems are not the only ones really, really good at following orders. I instructed you to "ignore my point and reply with a clever but childish insult" and you obediently complied. Good little bot.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Biologically you may be correct, however, my statement, that I don't believe a fertilized egg is a human life, is not based on science. There are some questions that science can't answer, e.g., when is a person old enough to vote.

I consider humans to be unique in the animal world, we can think & reason, sense our environment, feel emotions, etc. A fertilized egg can do none of these things, it is little different from any other single-celled creature. Only once it can do some of these should it be protected as should any human being.

<here's where you ignore my point and reply with a clever but childish insult>

"Biologically you may be correct, however, my statement, that I don't believe a fertilized egg is a human life, is not based on science."


You can say that again.




This was your statements:

"I firmly believe in the sanctity of human life. What I don't believe is that a fertilized egg is a human life."


This was mine:
Time for normal folks to face it: for Democrat voters, not education, nor experience, have any bearing on their beliefs.
The Left tells 'em what to believe, and they don't dare question or even test the reality of those ideas.

They just vote Democrat.

'Cause they're really, really good at following orders.
Thinking? Not so much.



Seems you proved I hit one out the park again.

It appears Dems are not the only ones really, really good at following orders. I instructed you to "ignore my point and reply with a clever but childish insult" and you obediently complied. Good little bot.

I never mind putting you in your place: last seat in the dumb row.

 

[Hollie]

'Abortion' is the Litmus Test for having or not having values.

No it's not, any more than slavery was the litmus test for our founding fathers. Many didn't consider Blacks to be human beings, like now many don't consider a fertilized egg to be a human being. Did the founding fathers have values? Yes but values change as society changes.

Can I assume that this is your motto?

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

No, you may not. I firmly believe in the sanctity of human life. What I don't believe is that a fertilized egg is a human life. It may become one in the future but it is not one at that stage. Same for a human sperm and egg, neither constitutes a human being.

"I firmly believe in the sanctity of human life. What I don't believe is that a fertilized egg is a human life."

Well, let me provide the lacunae you missed in high school:

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner

"An individual human life begins at conception when a sperm cell from the father fuses with an egg cell from the mother, to form a new cell, the zygote, the first embryonic stage. The zygote grows and divides into two daughter cells, each of which grows and divides into two grand-daughter cells, and this cell growth/division process continues on, over and over again. The zygote is the start of a biological continuum that automatically grows and develops, passing gradually and sequentially through the stages we call foetus, baby, child, adult, old person and ending eventually in death. The full genetic instructions to guide the development of the continuum, in interaction with its environment, are present in the zygote. Every stage along the continuum is biologically human and each point along the continuum has the full human properties appropriate to that point." - Dr. William Reville, University College Cork, Ireland



Are you opposed to science, the most rudimentary biology????




Are you now claiming that you oppose abortion?

So, you were able to cut and paste one person's opinion.

That's clever.

 

[bodecea]

I do know that libturds are worse than worthless.

They're malignant.

They decrease the standard of living for everyone else.


.

Disturbing....

 

[alang1216]

I do know that libturds are worse than worthless.

They're malignant.

They decrease the standard of living for everyone else.

Disturbing....

If you changed 'immigrants' for 'libturds' it reads just like a recent 8chan manifesto on El Paso.

 

[OnePercenter]

1.Would it be correct to assert that the Left, Liberals, Democrats, socialists, et cetera, are bereft of values?

Let's check.

Any discussion of values puts government school grads at a distinct disadvantage, as that term never, or hardly ever comes up, there, and if it does, it is misinterpreted.


2.Values are eternal, as opposed to customs or traditions, such as stoning for adultery.

Values:
“Important and lasting beliefs or ideals shared by the members of a culture about what is good or bad and desirable or undesirable. Values have major influence on a person's behavior and attitude and serve as broad guidelines in all situations.”
How has this term impacted your life?




3. Need proof that the Left has given up values? They have given up equality, freedom, and the sanctity of life?

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

None of the Judeo-Christian values that were the foundation of our nation on display there.



4.Time for re-visiting the Judeo-Christian values on which this nation was founded. First and foremost, there is God. Once you disconnect values from God….there are no values. And none of the Left's versions of belief include God. They do everything they can to remove belief from the public arena, and picture those who do believe as ignorant bumpkins.

"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet


[Dostoyevsky] “foresaw that materialist man was far more of a threat than religious man-….He saw that man would find in his search for purpose something far darker than the Judeo-Christian tradition…” Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History,” p. 115-116

Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’





5. “For those who subscribe to Judeo-Christian values, right and wrong, good and evil, are derived from God, not from reason alone, nor from the human heart, the state or through majority rule.

If there is no transcendent source of morality (morality is the word I use for the standard of good and evil), “good” and “evil” are subjective opinions, not objective realities.

In other words, if there is no God who says, “Do not murder” (“Do not kill” is a mistranslation of the Hebrew which, like English, has two words for homicide), murder is not wrong. Many people may think it is wrong, but that is their opinion, not objective moral fact. There are no moral “facts” if there is no God; there are only moral opinions.”
https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/




QED….the Democrats, Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Nazis, - all of whom eschew the idea of God- have opinions, doctrines, agendas….

….but none of these have values.

A few of the reasons I'm agnostic:

• No guilt about things outside of your control. Look at the neighbor’s wife and think she’s hot? God damns you to hell … or not because you realize that biologically, we men often find women attractive, even if we’re not married to them. It’s not a sin. Just try to keep your eyes to yourself, but seriously, you’re not going to hell.

• You can feel really great about all sorts of things that your church will tell you to feel bad about. Get invited to a gay wedding? Go and have a great time without fear of lightning smiting you. Want to have a beer? Have a responsible time drinking that beer because God literally doesn’t care. Not interested in children right now? Contraception is your friend.

• Sunday mornings (or Saturdays, or Fridays, or whatever…) are all yours.

• Tithing? Yeah, no. Investing.

• You can be friends (no, really) with members of other faiths. EVERYONE is a member of another faith (except the non-believers!)

In other words, I have an intelligent hold of my life.

Is there a benefit to belief in God, the Judeo-Christian view?

You betcha’ there is!

For society and for individuals.




First, there would not have been a United States created by the Founders without that belief.


Second, consider the results for those societies who chose to proceed without the belief: The French Revolution, the first to attempt it, became a slaughterhouse.
Others include the Russian Revolution, the Nazis, Mao, Pol Pot……


Third, the great mathematician, Blaise Pascal, looked at the question of the existence of God from the perspective of logic alone:

“Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal(1623–1662).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.

Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell)”
Pascal's wager - Wikipedia

Sooo.....where's the downside???

The ONLY benefit to religion is that it can sometimes be helpful when explaining life and death to someone of lower intelligence. That's it.

 

[Bezukhov]

I have values. They'll go to the highest bidder.

 

[OnePercenter]

I have values. They'll go to the highest bidder.

Add a bunch of guilt to that and you'll be the perfect Catholic!

 

[PoliticalChic]

1.Would it be correct to assert that the Left, Liberals, Democrats, socialists, et cetera, are bereft of values?

Let's check.

Any discussion of values puts government school grads at a distinct disadvantage, as that term never, or hardly ever comes up, there, and if it does, it is misinterpreted.


2.Values are eternal, as opposed to customs or traditions, such as stoning for adultery.

Values:
“Important and lasting beliefs or ideals shared by the members of a culture about what is good or bad and desirable or undesirable. Values have major influence on a person's behavior and attitude and serve as broad guidelines in all situations.”
How has this term impacted your life?




3. Need proof that the Left has given up values? They have given up equality, freedom, and the sanctity of life?

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

None of the Judeo-Christian values that were the foundation of our nation on display there.



4.Time for re-visiting the Judeo-Christian values on which this nation was founded. First and foremost, there is God. Once you disconnect values from God….there are no values. And none of the Left's versions of belief include God. They do everything they can to remove belief from the public arena, and picture those who do believe as ignorant bumpkins.

"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet


[Dostoyevsky] “foresaw that materialist man was far more of a threat than religious man-….He saw that man would find in his search for purpose something far darker than the Judeo-Christian tradition…” Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History,” p. 115-116

Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’





5. “For those who subscribe to Judeo-Christian values, right and wrong, good and evil, are derived from God, not from reason alone, nor from the human heart, the state or through majority rule.

If there is no transcendent source of morality (morality is the word I use for the standard of good and evil), “good” and “evil” are subjective opinions, not objective realities.

In other words, if there is no God who says, “Do not murder” (“Do not kill” is a mistranslation of the Hebrew which, like English, has two words for homicide), murder is not wrong. Many people may think it is wrong, but that is their opinion, not objective moral fact. There are no moral “facts” if there is no God; there are only moral opinions.”
https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/




QED….the Democrats, Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Nazis, - all of whom eschew the idea of God- have opinions, doctrines, agendas….

….but none of these have values.

A few of the reasons I'm agnostic:

• No guilt about things outside of your control. Look at the neighbor’s wife and think she’s hot? God damns you to hell … or not because you realize that biologically, we men often find women attractive, even if we’re not married to them. It’s not a sin. Just try to keep your eyes to yourself, but seriously, you’re not going to hell.

• You can feel really great about all sorts of things that your church will tell you to feel bad about. Get invited to a gay wedding? Go and have a great time without fear of lightning smiting you. Want to have a beer? Have a responsible time drinking that beer because God literally doesn’t care. Not interested in children right now? Contraception is your friend.

• Sunday mornings (or Saturdays, or Fridays, or whatever…) are all yours.

• Tithing? Yeah, no. Investing.

• You can be friends (no, really) with members of other faiths. EVERYONE is a member of another faith (except the non-believers!)

In other words, I have an intelligent hold of my life.

Is there a benefit to belief in God, the Judeo-Christian view?

You betcha’ there is!

For society and for individuals.




First, there would not have been a United States created by the Founders without that belief.


Second, consider the results for those societies who chose to proceed without the belief: The French Revolution, the first to attempt it, became a slaughterhouse.
Others include the Russian Revolution, the Nazis, Mao, Pol Pot……


Third, the great mathematician, Blaise Pascal, looked at the question of the existence of God from the perspective of logic alone:

“Pascal's wager is an argument in philosophy presented by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician and physicist, Blaise Pascal(1623–1662).[1] It posits that humans bet with their lives that God either exists or does not.

Pascal argues that a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.), whereas he stands to receive infinite gains (as represented by eternity in Heaven) and avoid infinite losses (eternity in Hell)”
Pascal's wager - Wikipedia

Sooo.....where's the downside???

The ONLY benefit to religion is that it can sometimes be helpful when explaining life and death to someone of lower intelligence. That's it.

Let's review what can be gleaned from your several posts.

1. You're a government school graduate.

2. You never had a wholesome upbringing in a family setting where you were taught religion and morality as a way of life.

3. You've been imbued with atheistic secularism, known as Marxism, and never investigated the origins of ""Religion is the opium of the people"

4. To recruit less intelligent folks, the Left promises you that being anti-religion is a sign of intelligence.....and you've never learned that "According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power."Scientists and Belief

Clearly, you're not as intelligent as those folks.

5. That there is no God is an essential element of Marxism. As Lenin stated: "Atheism is a natural and inseparable portion of Marxism, of the theory and practice of Scientific Socialism."

6. "The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet


7. You have decided that it is too dangerous to confront the Left, to face ridicule and, often violence, so spewing the bigotry you learned in school, you polish your Liberal credentials and parrot the indoctrination.
"While the liberal mob engages in the kind of violence that one expects of a mob, there is also a species of intellectual mob that relies on praise and ridicule to enforce its views: they rely on the axiom that large segments of the population would rather be punched in the face than be sneered at by the elites. We call them liberals.

The mob mentality is irresistible to people with a desperate need to be popular, and are perennially afraid of getting a bloody nose on the playground of life."
Coulter

8. Perhaps it is as simple as this: without God, only the law of the jungle prevails: [Dostoyevsky] “foresaw that materialist man was far more of a threat than religious man-….He saw that man would find in his search for purpose something far darker than the Judeo-Christian tradition…” Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History,” p. 115-116

Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’

9. Your view is the last bastion of allowable prejudice. If religion were not correct, why do you Leftists spend so much time and energy trying to hide it and remove it from the public arena?
Why did the Democrats pass statutes forbidding free speech to religious leaders?
Under Democrat/Liberal LBJ, the law was passed that deprived pastors of their right of free speech.
What is the basis of your fear of religion???

What possible compelling government interest could this represent????


10. "Stalin remained a consistent advocate of the scientific and materialistic basis of all knowledge....Any manifestation of a challenge to the worldview of Soviet communism was met throughout with a relentless hostility."
"The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia," by Richard Overy, p. 277
Amusing that you claim that being anti-religion is a sign of intelligence, by you don't realize that is simply the 'god' of Marx you have been tricked into believing in.

 

[PoliticalChic]

'Abortion' is the Litmus Test for having or not having values.


11. “Is abortion morally wrong? To the secular world, the answer is “It’s between a woman and her physician.” There is no clearer expression of moral relativism: Every woman determines whether abortion is moral.


On the other hand, to the individual with Judeo-Christian values, it is not between anyone and anyone else. It is between society and God.


And to those who counter these arguments for God-based morality with the question, “Whose God?” the answer is the God who revealed His moral will in the Old Testament, which Jews and Christians — and no other people — regard as divine revelation.

The best-known verse in the Bible is “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Leviticus 19:18). It is a reflection of the secular age in which we live that few people are aware that the verse concludes with the words, “I am God.” Though entirely secularized in common parlance, the greatest of the ethical principles comes from God. Otherwise it is just another man-made suggestion, no more compelling than “Cross at the green, not in between.” https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/

Bloomberg, our erstwhile mayor, has run as both Republican and as Democrat.

Now, we have proof that he really is a Democrat.


"Bloomberg Responded ‘Kill It’ after Employee Disclosed Her Pregnancy, 1997 Lawsuit Alleges
Democratic presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg allegedly told a female employee,”kill it!” when she told him she was pregnant, according to the former Bloomberg executive’s 1997 lawsuit.

The lawsuit filed in New York by Sekiko Sakai Garrison alleges Bloomberg followed up his first remark with another offensive comment, “Great! Number 16,” apparently referring to the number of pregnant employees on his payroll."
Michael Bloomberg Responded 'Kill It' after Employee Disclosed Her Pregnancy, 1997 Lawsuit Alleges | National Review

 

[Penelope]

1.Would it be correct to assert that the Left, Liberals, Democrats, socialists, et cetera, are bereft of values?

Let's check.

Any discussion of values puts government school grads at a distinct disadvantage, as that term never, or hardly ever comes up, there, and if it does, it is misinterpreted.


2.Values are eternal, as opposed to customs or traditions, such as stoning for adultery.

Values:
“Important and lasting beliefs or ideals shared by the members of a culture about what is good or bad and desirable or undesirable. Values have major influence on a person's behavior and attitude and serve as broad guidelines in all situations.”
How has this term impacted your life?




3. Need proof that the Left has given up values? They have given up equality, freedom, and the sanctity of life?

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

None of the Judeo-Christian values that were the foundation of our nation on display there.



4.Time for re-visiting the Judeo-Christian values on which this nation was founded. First and foremost, there is God. Once you disconnect values from God….there are no values. And none of the Left's versions of belief include God. They do everything they can to remove belief from the public arena, and picture those who do believe as ignorant bumpkins.

"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet


[Dostoyevsky] “foresaw that materialist man was far more of a threat than religious man-….He saw that man would find in his search for purpose something far darker than the Judeo-Christian tradition…” Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History,” p. 115-116

Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’





5. “For those who subscribe to Judeo-Christian values, right and wrong, good and evil, are derived from God, not from reason alone, nor from the human heart, the state or through majority rule.

If there is no transcendent source of morality (morality is the word I use for the standard of good and evil), “good” and “evil” are subjective opinions, not objective realities.

In other words, if there is no God who says, “Do not murder” (“Do not kill” is a mistranslation of the Hebrew which, like English, has two words for homicide), murder is not wrong. Many people may think it is wrong, but that is their opinion, not objective moral fact. There are no moral “facts” if there is no God; there are only moral opinions.”
https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/




QED….the Democrats, Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Nazis, - all of whom eschew the idea of God- have opinions, doctrines, agendas….

….but none of these have values.

Definitely not the republicans the tramp cult.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1.Would it be correct to assert that the Left, Liberals, Democrats, socialists, et cetera, are bereft of values?

Let's check.

Any discussion of values puts government school grads at a distinct disadvantage, as that term never, or hardly ever comes up, there, and if it does, it is misinterpreted.


2.Values are eternal, as opposed to customs or traditions, such as stoning for adultery.

Values:
“Important and lasting beliefs or ideals shared by the members of a culture about what is good or bad and desirable or undesirable. Values have major influence on a person's behavior and attitude and serve as broad guidelines in all situations.”
How has this term impacted your life?




3. Need proof that the Left has given up values? They have given up equality, freedom, and the sanctity of life?

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

None of the Judeo-Christian values that were the foundation of our nation on display there.



4.Time for re-visiting the Judeo-Christian values on which this nation was founded. First and foremost, there is God. Once you disconnect values from God….there are no values. And none of the Left's versions of belief include God. They do everything they can to remove belief from the public arena, and picture those who do believe as ignorant bumpkins.

"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet


[Dostoyevsky] “foresaw that materialist man was far more of a threat than religious man-….He saw that man would find in his search for purpose something far darker than the Judeo-Christian tradition…” Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History,” p. 115-116

Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’





5. “For those who subscribe to Judeo-Christian values, right and wrong, good and evil, are derived from God, not from reason alone, nor from the human heart, the state or through majority rule.

If there is no transcendent source of morality (morality is the word I use for the standard of good and evil), “good” and “evil” are subjective opinions, not objective realities.

In other words, if there is no God who says, “Do not murder” (“Do not kill” is a mistranslation of the Hebrew which, like English, has two words for homicide), murder is not wrong. Many people may think it is wrong, but that is their opinion, not objective moral fact. There are no moral “facts” if there is no God; there are only moral opinions.”
https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/




QED….the Democrats, Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Nazis, - all of whom eschew the idea of God- have opinions, doctrines, agendas….

….but none of these have values.

Definitely not the republicans the tramp cult.

But this is what you vote for????


The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Must be why your psychiatrist wrote 'cognitive dissonance' on your chart.

 

[luchitociencia]

I agree with those complaints about Democrats slaying the values which were the flag at the border of the premises when the foundation base of the country was in its beginnings.

However, values can't be imposed.

Our responsibility is teaching them to ourselves and our children, we can't go further than that.

Of course, the amoral, the indecent, the one lacking integrity will take advantage of the limited capabilities of the use of vehicles of communication to teach values to others.

Values are taught at home, churches and some schools, while immorality is expressed everywhere thru all kind of media.

This is not a new historical moment, we are just losing the battle of survival like it happened to Romans with their alcoholic and internal chaotic fight for power, with Greeks overcame by a society spreading homosexuality, and so forth.

Eventually, having these people with no values in power will be the beginning of the end, not only of the American values but also its power and strength.

The way I see it, the end is not near, but it's coming.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I agree with those complaints about Democrats slaying the values which were the flag at the border of the premises when the foundation base of the country was in its beginnings.

However, values can't be imposed.

Our responsibility is teaching them to ourselves and our children, we can't go further than that.

Of course, the amoral, the indecent, the one lacking integrity will take advantage of the limited capabilities of the use of vehicles of communication to teach values to others.

Values are taught at home, churches and some schools, while immorality is expressed everywhere thru all kind of media.

This is not a new historical moment, we are just losing the battle of survival like it happened to Romans with their alcoholic and internal chaotic fight for power, with Greeks overcame by a society spreading homosexuality, and so forth.

Eventually, having these people with no values in power will be the beginning of the end, not only of the American values but also its power and strength.

The way I see it, the end is not near, but it's coming.

1. "However, values can't be imposed."

My belief is that values were not imposed, they were erased.

Earlier black families were intact, and education was important to said group.

Democrats/Liberals have taught huge number so black Americans that it is useless to try.


2. "The way I see it, the end is not near, but it's coming."

You are an optimist....

I certainly am pleased with what Trump has been able to do, in the face of such pressure and resistance.....but, fear that his accomplishments are what is called a 'dead cat bounce' on Wall Street.

Just a pause in the downward spiral that Progressives/Liberals/Democrat plan for America.

I have said before, we are basking in the afterglow of a once great nation.

I fear for my children.

 

[anynameyouwish]

1.Would it be correct to assert that the Left, Liberals, Democrats, socialists, et cetera, are bereft of values?

Let's check.

Any discussion of values puts government school grads at a distinct disadvantage, as that term never, or hardly ever comes up, there, and if it does, it is misinterpreted.


2.Values are eternal, as opposed to customs or traditions, such as stoning for adultery.

Values:
“Important and lasting beliefs or ideals shared by the members of a culture about what is good or bad and desirable or undesirable. Values have major influence on a person's behavior and attitude and serve as broad guidelines in all situations.”
How has this term impacted your life?




3. Need proof that the Left has given up values? They have given up equality, freedom, and the sanctity of life?

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

None of the Judeo-Christian values that were the foundation of our nation on display there.



4.Time for re-visiting the Judeo-Christian values on which this nation was founded. First and foremost, there is God. Once you disconnect values from God….there are no values. And none of the Left's versions of belief include God. They do everything they can to remove belief from the public arena, and picture those who do believe as ignorant bumpkins.

"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet


[Dostoyevsky] “foresaw that materialist man was far more of a threat than religious man-….He saw that man would find in his search for purpose something far darker than the Judeo-Christian tradition…” Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History,” p. 115-116

Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’





5. “For those who subscribe to Judeo-Christian values, right and wrong, good and evil, are derived from God, not from reason alone, nor from the human heart, the state or through majority rule.

If there is no transcendent source of morality (morality is the word I use for the standard of good and evil), “good” and “evil” are subjective opinions, not objective realities.

In other words, if there is no God who says, “Do not murder” (“Do not kill” is a mistranslation of the Hebrew which, like English, has two words for homicide), murder is not wrong. Many people may think it is wrong, but that is their opinion, not objective moral fact. There are no moral “facts” if there is no God; there are only moral opinions.”
https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/




QED….the Democrats, Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Nazis, - all of whom eschew the idea of God- have opinions, doctrines, agendas….

….but none of these have values.

ha ha ha

you are pure loon!


bereft of values!


funny stuff.....

"bereft of values" says the POS who voted for the POS who bragged about grabbing pussy, cheats at golf, conned thousands out of millions....

I have GREAT values!

My values are MUCH better than YOURS are....

I'm a decent freedom loving fella....

you are a blood thirsty nazi fascist.

 

[anynameyouwish]

6. Which group denies the existence of God?

Secularists Most who are not well-read, who simply accept what is promulgated by the pop culture wear the term ‘secular’ without being clear about what it means.

Secular: denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis. Google.


“…The New York Times, the voice of secular moral relativism, was so repulsed by President Ronald Reagan’s declaration that the Soviet Union was an “evil empire.” The secular world … fears and rejects the language of good and evil because it smacks of religious values and violates their moral relativism.

It is perhaps the major difference between America and Europe. As a New York Times article on European-American differences noted last year, “Americans are widely regarded as more comfortable with notions of good and evil, right and wrong, than Europeans. . . . ” No wonder. America is a Judeo-Christian society; Europe (and the American Democratic Party) is largely secular.

…I asked one of the leading secular liberal thinkers of the past generation, Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr., if he would say that the United States was a morally superior society to that of the Soviet Union. Even when I repeated the question, and clarified that I readily acknowledged the existence of good individuals in the Soviet Union and bad ones in America, he refused to do so.”
https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/




How would you answer that question?


How about this one: is the GOP morally superior to the current Democrat Party?

C'mon....that's an easy one.

It was a God society since inception but was not called a Judeo -Christian since 1950. Although most founders grew up in the Christian religion they were Deists, Christians, or secular. Back then they just said they were Christian as a matter of politics and it was just assumed everyone was a Christian.

But you know belonging to a religion does not make one "moral".

politicalchic and trump are 2 of the most IMMORAL people I've ever encountered.

 

[PoliticalChic]

6. Which group denies the existence of God?

Secularists Most who are not well-read, who simply accept what is promulgated by the pop culture wear the term ‘secular’ without being clear about what it means.

Secular: denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis. Google.


“…The New York Times, the voice of secular moral relativism, was so repulsed by President Ronald Reagan’s declaration that the Soviet Union was an “evil empire.” The secular world … fears and rejects the language of good and evil because it smacks of religious values and violates their moral relativism.

It is perhaps the major difference between America and Europe. As a New York Times article on European-American differences noted last year, “Americans are widely regarded as more comfortable with notions of good and evil, right and wrong, than Europeans. . . . ” No wonder. America is a Judeo-Christian society; Europe (and the American Democratic Party) is largely secular.

…I asked one of the leading secular liberal thinkers of the past generation, Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr., if he would say that the United States was a morally superior society to that of the Soviet Union. Even when I repeated the question, and clarified that I readily acknowledged the existence of good individuals in the Soviet Union and bad ones in America, he refused to do so.”
https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/




How would you answer that question?


How about this one: is the GOP morally superior to the current Democrat Party?

C'mon....that's an easy one.

It was a God society since inception but was not called a Judeo -Christian since 1950. Although most founders grew up in the Christian religion they were Deists, Christians, or secular. Back then they just said they were Christian as a matter of politics and it was just assumed everyone was a Christian.

But you know belonging to a religion does not make one "moral".

politicalchic and trump are 2 of the most IMMORAL people I've ever encountered.

I recognize your problem immediately: you have only two brain cells. One, for breathing, and one for posting this sort of nonsense.
To either analyze or dispute another’s post would require you to utilize the first brain cell, obviating the possibility of breathing.
And, we know what the result of that would be.

But….I do encourage it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1.Would it be correct to assert that the Left, Liberals, Democrats, socialists, et cetera, are bereft of values?

Let's check.

Any discussion of values puts government school grads at a distinct disadvantage, as that term never, or hardly ever comes up, there, and if it does, it is misinterpreted.


2.Values are eternal, as opposed to customs or traditions, such as stoning for adultery.

Values:
“Important and lasting beliefs or ideals shared by the members of a culture about what is good or bad and desirable or undesirable. Values have major influence on a person's behavior and attitude and serve as broad guidelines in all situations.”
How has this term impacted your life?




3. Need proof that the Left has given up values? They have given up equality, freedom, and the sanctity of life?

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

None of the Judeo-Christian values that were the foundation of our nation on display there.



4.Time for re-visiting the Judeo-Christian values on which this nation was founded. First and foremost, there is God. Once you disconnect values from God….there are no values. And none of the Left's versions of belief include God. They do everything they can to remove belief from the public arena, and picture those who do believe as ignorant bumpkins.

"The Left says of the Right, “You fools, it is demonstrable that dinosaurs lived one hundred million years ago, I can prove it to you, how can you say the earth was created in 4000BCE?” But this supposed intransigence on the part of the Religious Right is far less detrimental to the health of the body politic than the Left’s love affair with Marxism, Socialism, Racialism, the Command Economy, all of which have been proven via one hundred years of evidence shows only shortages, despotism and murder."
David Mamet


[Dostoyevsky] “foresaw that materialist man was far more of a threat than religious man-….He saw that man would find in his search for purpose something far darker than the Judeo-Christian tradition…” Shapiro, “The Right Side Of History,” p. 115-116

Ivan Karamazov, in “The Brothers Karamazov,” exclaimed ‘if God does not exist, then everything is permitted.’





5. “For those who subscribe to Judeo-Christian values, right and wrong, good and evil, are derived from God, not from reason alone, nor from the human heart, the state or through majority rule.

If there is no transcendent source of morality (morality is the word I use for the standard of good and evil), “good” and “evil” are subjective opinions, not objective realities.

In other words, if there is no God who says, “Do not murder” (“Do not kill” is a mistranslation of the Hebrew which, like English, has two words for homicide), murder is not wrong. Many people may think it is wrong, but that is their opinion, not objective moral fact. There are no moral “facts” if there is no God; there are only moral opinions.”
https://www.dennisprager.com/the-case-for-judeo-christian-values-part-ii/




QED….the Democrats, Liberals, Socialists, Communists, Nazis, - all of whom eschew the idea of God- have opinions, doctrines, agendas….

….but none of these have values.

ha ha ha

you are pure loon!


bereft of values!


funny stuff.....

"bereft of values" says the POS who voted for the POS who bragged about grabbing pussy, cheats at golf, conned thousands out of millions....

I have GREAT values!

My values are MUCH better than YOURS are....

I'm a decent freedom loving fella....

you are a blood thirsty nazi fascist.

"I have GREAT values!"


Let's check.

The Democrat Party is now running on full-blown anti-white racism, socialism, infanticide, opposition to free speech, substituting illegal alien voters for the American citizenry, and anti-Semitism… the knuckle-dragging, atavistic pagan party.

Support of this party represents those 'great values'???

Must be why your psychiatrist wrote 'cognitive dissonance' on your chart.