Vegas shooter

[Manonthestreet]

20 guns? Lots of ammo? That would be quite a few suitcases. Rifles were scoped, too.

I can bring every weapon I own in a gym bag! The long guns disassemble easily.

and yet you can only fire one at a time

Exactly. But if I don't want to reload, I can just change weapons instead.

Let's face it, the guy was not a brain surgeon.

YEah but supposedly he didnt......so again why the dead weight hardware

He didn't what? Reload? Of course he did. You can't fire that many rounds without reloading from only two weapons.

As I said, he was not a brain surgeon.

He didnt use more than 2 weapons....according to reports ...so again why the unnecessary hardware

 

[Marion Morrison]

Find out how many and what type of weapons were used, collate with video feeds try to determine direction fired from......all kinds of things to be learned

Why do YOU need to know that?

I think we have all of the information already.

Video feed? From what?

You are talking about a great deal of work to prove something that is pretty much a given.

Unless of course, you are a rabid conspiracy nut, which puts this thread in the wrong place.

right ...why find out any facts.....you'd make a great Clouseau

What facts are you looking for that we don't know already?

Without an investigation how can you find out what you dont know,,,,,,,LLMMAOOOOO.....

As far as we know, the investigation has been done.

If you could ask any question, what would it be?

Why did it take LEOs 72 minutes to locate a man who was shooting in an urban, densely populated environment?

How was an old, out of shape guy like that able to keep up that type of sustained fire? Running back and forth between windows? Pah!

Where did the hard drive from his computer go?

Why was the fire exit to the venue blocked when the shooting started, when it was open before?

Have recovered bullets been matched to the gun that Paddock allegedly used?

 

[Manonthestreet]

Find out how many and what type of weapons were used, collate with video feeds try to determine direction fired from......all kinds of things to be learned

Why do YOU need to know that?

I think we have all of the information already.

Video feed? From what?

You are talking about a great deal of work to prove something that is pretty much a given.

Unless of course, you are a rabid conspiracy nut, which puts this thread in the wrong place.

right ...why find out any facts.....you'd make a great Clouseau

What facts are you looking for that we don't know already?

Without an investigation how can you find out what you dont know,,,,,,,LLMMAOOOOO.....

As far as we know, the investigation has been done.

If you could ask any question, what would it be?

um ballistics for starters...try to keep up

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I can bring every weapon I own in a gym bag! The long guns disassemble easily.

and yet you can only fire one at a time

Exactly. But if I don't want to reload, I can just change weapons instead.

Let's face it, the guy was not a brain surgeon.

YEah but supposedly he didnt......so again why the dead weight hardware

He didn't what? Reload? Of course he did. You can't fire that many rounds without reloading from only two weapons.

As I said, he was not a brain surgeon.

He didnt use more than 2 weapons....according to reports ...so again why the unnecessary hardware

Maybe he had a change of heart? How do you propose to find out the answer to that question? Got a medium for a seance in your back pocket?

How about something that could be determined without sifting through the shooter's dead brain?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why do YOU need to know that?

I think we have all of the information already.

Video feed? From what?

You are talking about a great deal of work to prove something that is pretty much a given.

Unless of course, you are a rabid conspiracy nut, which puts this thread in the wrong place.

right ...why find out any facts.....you'd make a great Clouseau

What facts are you looking for that we don't know already?

Without an investigation how can you find out what you dont know,,,,,,,LLMMAOOOOO.....

As far as we know, the investigation has been done.

If you could ask any question, what would it be?

um ballistics for starters...try to keep up

Ask the police for the reports and they will give a very polite, "Up yours!"

What do you want to know? They told us all about the two weapons he used, how many rounds he fired, how many he wounded, how many were killed, the extra guns, extra ammo, fertilizer in his car, etc. They even told us he was calculating the drop distance on his bullets over the distance to his targets.

What is the great mystery you are seeking?

 

[Manonthestreet]

right ...why find out any facts.....you'd make a great Clouseau

What facts are you looking for that we don't know already?

Without an investigation how can you find out what you dont know,,,,,,,LLMMAOOOOO.....

As far as we know, the investigation has been done.

If you could ask any question, what would it be?

um ballistics for starters...try to keep up

Ask the police for the reports and they will give a very polite, "Up yours!"

What do you want to know? They told us all about the two weapons he used, how many rounds he fired, how many he wounded, how many were killed, the extra guns, extra ammo, fertilizer in his car, etc. They even told us he was calculating the drop distance on his bullets over the distance to his targets.

What is the great mystery you are seeking?

and yet you can only fire one at a time

Exactly. But if I don't want to reload, I can just change weapons instead.

Let's face it, the guy was not a brain surgeon.

YEah but supposedly he didnt......so again why the dead weight hardware

He didn't what? Reload? Of course he did. You can't fire that many rounds without reloading from only two weapons.

As I said, he was not a brain surgeon.

He didnt use more than 2 weapons....according to reports ...so again why the unnecessary hardware

Maybe he had a change of heart? How do you propose to find out the answer to that question? Got a medium for a seance in your back pocket?

How about something that could be determined without sifting through the shooter's dead brain?

Didnt they say it was well planned ......bringing unneeded hardware doesnt sound well planned......did they fingerprint the weapons,,,,,,you dont know what you dont know...until you start asking questions,,,,,,something you are loath to do......

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why do YOU need to know that?

I think we have all of the information already.

Video feed? From what?

You are talking about a great deal of work to prove something that is pretty much a given.

Unless of course, you are a rabid conspiracy nut, which puts this thread in the wrong place.

right ...why find out any facts.....you'd make a great Clouseau

What facts are you looking for that we don't know already?

Without an investigation how can you find out what you dont know,,,,,,,LLMMAOOOOO.....

As far as we know, the investigation has been done.

If you could ask any question, what would it be?

Why did it take LEOs 72 minutes to locate a man who was shooting in an urban, densely populated environment?

How was an old, out of shape guy like that able to keep up that type of sustained fire? Running back and forth between windows? Pah!

Where did the hard drive from his computer go?

Why was the fire exit to the venue blocked when the shooting started, when it was open before?

Have recovered bullets been matched to the gun that Paddock allegedly used?

I don't think it took 72 minutes to find him. It might have taken that long to go in the room. Even if it did, how would you have found him sooner?

What is so difficult about shooting a rifle and who said he was running?

He could have dropped that hard drive anywhere to make it more difficult to determine anything about him or his plan should he escape.

Venue? Fire exit? What are you talking about?

If they did not match, don't you think someone would know?

Ever try to keep a secret?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What facts are you looking for that we don't know already?

Without an investigation how can you find out what you dont know,,,,,,,LLMMAOOOOO.....

As far as we know, the investigation has been done.

If you could ask any question, what would it be?

um ballistics for starters...try to keep up

Ask the police for the reports and they will give a very polite, "Up yours!"

What do you want to know? They told us all about the two weapons he used, how many rounds he fired, how many he wounded, how many were killed, the extra guns, extra ammo, fertilizer in his car, etc. They even told us he was calculating the drop distance on his bullets over the distance to his targets.

What is the great mystery you are seeking?

Exactly. But if I don't want to reload, I can just change weapons instead.

Let's face it, the guy was not a brain surgeon.

YEah but supposedly he didnt......so again why the dead weight hardware

He didn't what? Reload? Of course he did. You can't fire that many rounds without reloading from only two weapons.

As I said, he was not a brain surgeon.

He didnt use more than 2 weapons....according to reports ...so again why the unnecessary hardware

Maybe he had a change of heart? How do you propose to find out the answer to that question? Got a medium for a seance in your back pocket?

How about something that could be determined without sifting through the shooter's dead brain?

Didnt they say it was well planned ......bringing unneeded hardware doesnt sound well planned......did they fingerprint the weapons,,,,,,you dont know what you dont know...until you start asking questions,,,,,,something you are loath to do......

The first casualty in a war is the plan. Having the security guard show up might have changed the plan.

Oh, come on man! You don't think they would have checked the weapons for fingerprints?

How stupid do you think the Las Vegas Police Department is?

 

[jon_berzerk]

We already know he didn't teleport the guns up there, so its irrelevent.

No it is not irrelevent. Pictures would show how he gotthe guns and ammo to his room and if he had any help.

Suitcases! How many times do you need to be told! Suitcases.

No one would blink an eye with people bring suitcases into a ... Wait for it!...hotel!

20 guns? Lots of ammo? That would be quite a few suitcases. Rifles were scoped, too.

I can bring every weapon I own in a gym bag! The long guns disassemble easily.

plus it is not that odd for a rich guy in a casino hotel

who hangs out for periods of time to have a "few" suitcases

--LOL

 

[Marion Morrison]

right ...why find out any facts.....you'd make a great Clouseau

What facts are you looking for that we don't know already?

Without an investigation how can you find out what you dont know,,,,,,,LLMMAOOOOO.....

As far as we know, the investigation has been done.

If you could ask any question, what would it be?

Why did it take LEOs 72 minutes to locate a man who was shooting in an urban, densely populated environment?

How was an old, out of shape guy like that able to keep up that type of sustained fire? Running back and forth between windows? Pah!

Where did the hard drive from his computer go?

Why was the fire exit to the venue blocked when the shooting started, when it was open before?

Have recovered bullets been matched to the gun that Paddock allegedly used?

I don't think it took 72 minutes to find him. It might have taken that long to go in the room. Even if it did, how would you have found him sooner?

What is so difficult about shooting a rifle and who said he was running?

He could have dropped that hard drive anywhere to make it more difficult to determine anything about him or his plan should he escape.

Venue? Fire exit? What are you talking about?

If they did not match, don't you think someone would know?

Ever try to keep a secret?

How many 330 yard shots have you taken with a rifle?

That's about 3 1/2 football fields, the only people that take shots that long are hardcore enthusiasts and military snipers.

Most hunters wouldn't attempt to take an animal at that range.

 

[Marion Morrison]

right ...why find out any facts.....you'd make a great Clouseau

What facts are you looking for that we don't know already?

Without an investigation how can you find out what you dont know,,,,,,,LLMMAOOOOO.....

As far as we know, the investigation has been done.

If you could ask any question, what would it be?

Why did it take LEOs 72 minutes to locate a man who was shooting in an urban, densely populated environment?

How was an old, out of shape guy like that able to keep up that type of sustained fire? Running back and forth between windows? Pah!

Where did the hard drive from his computer go?

Why was the fire exit to the venue blocked when the shooting started, when it was open before?

Have recovered bullets been matched to the gun that Paddock allegedly used?

I don't think it took 72 minutes to find him. It might have taken that long to go in the room. Even if it did, how would you have found him sooner?

What is so difficult about shooting a rifle and who said he was running?

He could have dropped that hard drive anywhere to make it more difficult to determine anything about him or his plan should he escape.

Venue? Fire exit? What are you talking about?

If they did not match, don't you think someone would know?

Ever try to keep a secret?

Witnesses: Exits at Las Vegas Concert Were Blocked Prior to Shooting, Creating Kill Zone

 

[Manonthestreet]

Without an investigation how can you find out what you dont know,,,,,,,LLMMAOOOOO.....

As far as we know, the investigation has been done.

If you could ask any question, what would it be?

um ballistics for starters...try to keep up

Ask the police for the reports and they will give a very polite, "Up yours!"

What do you want to know? They told us all about the two weapons he used, how many rounds he fired, how many he wounded, how many were killed, the extra guns, extra ammo, fertilizer in his car, etc. They even told us he was calculating the drop distance on his bullets over the distance to his targets.

What is the great mystery you are seeking?

YEah but supposedly he didnt......so again why the dead weight hardware

He didn't what? Reload? Of course he did. You can't fire that many rounds without reloading from only two weapons.

As I said, he was not a brain surgeon.

He didnt use more than 2 weapons....according to reports ...so again why the unnecessary hardware

Maybe he had a change of heart? How do you propose to find out the answer to that question? Got a medium for a seance in your back pocket?

How about something that could be determined without sifting through the shooter's dead brain?

Didnt they say it was well planned ......bringing unneeded hardware doesnt sound well planned......did they fingerprint the weapons,,,,,,you dont know what you dont know...until you start asking questions,,,,,,something you are loath to do......

The first casualty in a war is the plan. Having the security guard show up might have changed the plan.

Oh, come on man! You don't think they would have checked the weapons for fingerprints?

How stupid do you think the Las Vegas Police Department is?

Judging by their chief,,,,,,not real smart

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What facts are you looking for that we don't know already?

Without an investigation how can you find out what you dont know,,,,,,,LLMMAOOOOO.....

As far as we know, the investigation has been done.

If you could ask any question, what would it be?

Why did it take LEOs 72 minutes to locate a man who was shooting in an urban, densely populated environment?

How was an old, out of shape guy like that able to keep up that type of sustained fire? Running back and forth between windows? Pah!

Where did the hard drive from his computer go?

Why was the fire exit to the venue blocked when the shooting started, when it was open before?

Have recovered bullets been matched to the gun that Paddock allegedly used?

I don't think it took 72 minutes to find him. It might have taken that long to go in the room. Even if it did, how would you have found him sooner?

What is so difficult about shooting a rifle and who said he was running?

He could have dropped that hard drive anywhere to make it more difficult to determine anything about him or his plan should he escape.

Venue? Fire exit? What are you talking about?

If they did not match, don't you think someone would know?

Ever try to keep a secret?

How many 330 yard shots have you taken with a rifle?

That's about 3 1/2 football fields, the only people that take shots that long are hardcore enthusiasts and military snipers.

Most hunters wouldn't attempt to take an animal at that range.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

He wasn't targeting individuals. Ever hear of "spray and pray?"

 

[Godboy]

What facts are you looking for that we don't know already?

Without an investigation how can you find out what you dont know,,,,,,,LLMMAOOOOO.....

As far as we know, the investigation has been done.

If you could ask any question, what would it be?

Why did it take LEOs 72 minutes to locate a man who was shooting in an urban, densely populated environment?

How was an old, out of shape guy like that able to keep up that type of sustained fire? Running back and forth between windows? Pah!

Where did the hard drive from his computer go?

Why was the fire exit to the venue blocked when the shooting started, when it was open before?

Have recovered bullets been matched to the gun that Paddock allegedly used?

I don't think it took 72 minutes to find him. It might have taken that long to go in the room. Even if it did, how would you have found him sooner?

What is so difficult about shooting a rifle and who said he was running?

He could have dropped that hard drive anywhere to make it more difficult to determine anything about him or his plan should he escape.

Venue? Fire exit? What are you talking about?

If they did not match, don't you think someone would know?

Ever try to keep a secret?

How many 330 yard shots have you taken with a rifle?

That's about 3 1/2 football fields, the only people that take shots that long are hardcore enthusiasts and military snipers.

Most hunters wouldn't attempt to take an animal at that range.

You think he was aiming at a specific target?

 

[waltky]

Bump stock maker absent from SHOT Show...

In Wake of Vegas Shooting, Bump Stock Maker Missing From SHOT Show
26 Jan 2018 -- The world's largest gun show went on as scheduled this week just miles from the Las Vegas strip location where a heavily armed gunman killed 58 concertgoers in October 2017. But SlideFire, the company that makes a controversial accessory used by the killer to mimic the rate of automatic fire, was conspicuously absent from SHOT Show.

For many, though, this development was met with shrugs. SlideFire, a Texas-based company, bills itself as the official maker of the bump stock, a device that uses the recoil of a semi-automatic weapon to speed up the rate of fire. Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas shooter, had SlideFire bump stocks on 12 of his arsenal of 23 firearms. In the wake of the shooting, the National Rifle Association took the unusual step of endorsing additional regulations specific to bump stocks. "The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations," the organization wrote in an October statement. "In an increasingly dangerous world, the NRA remains focused on our mission: strengthening Americans' Second Amendment freedom to defend themselves, their families and their communities."

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is now considering whether to ban bump stocks under machine gun prohibitions. And several states, including Massachusetts and Washington, have passed their own regulations banning the accessories. Amid the call for regulation, demand has reportedly surged for what were previously considered novelty accessories, with SlideFire announcing at one point that it had to suspend taking new orders in order to fill existing ones. It continued to promote its bump stocks this month ahead of SHOT Show. "In celebration of SHOT Show, we're offering an extra 10 percent off any one of our Slide Fire stocks or accessories," the company wrote in a promotional release sent Jan. 24. "Pick up any one of our bump fire stocks, just in time for SHOT Show." SlideFire did not respond to a Military.com inquiry about why it didn't attend the show itself, however.

NRA booth display at SHOT Show 2018.​

A spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, which organizes the show, indicated the absence was voluntary. "Companies make their own decisions about attending SHOT Show," Bill Brassard told Military.com. Staff with the National Rifle Association at the show said they could not immediately comment on the absence of the bump stock maker. But the general sentiment from attendees who spoke with Military.com was that the missing company was no loss to the show. "The truth is, I don't think gun owners care a lot about bump stocks; very few shooters use them," said Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation.

Gottlieb said he had spoken publicly on the issue of bump stocks in light of the proposed legislation, and was primarily concerned with clarifying language to ensure new regulations were not overly broad, extending to other modifications and accessories. Regarding the Las Vegas tragedy, he theorized that the shooter's use of the bump stock modification may have actually saved lives, saying officials had found that some of his guns equipped with the devices had jammed and become inoperable. Christopher Peel, a first-time SHOT Show attendee who asked that his affiliation not be identified, said he had never used a bump stock. "They're a novelty type of thing," he said. "It's one of those things where you've got one, you've tried it once and it sits in the back of the safe because it's not anything you want on there for daily use or hunting or anything like that."

For Chuck and Damon Bolding, a father and son from Henderson, Nevada, the Vegas shooting brought attention to a trend that serious shooters had passed by. "We weren't a fan of them. And they were dying off until ..." Chuck Bolding, a firearms instructor who owns a gun shop, said, letting his sentence trail off. "Most people that shoot rifles weren't going to carry them anyway. It wasn't something we endorsed; our shop never had them." Following the shooting, the Boldings said they had noticed local security get tighter, with some casinos employing armed guards, as well as a bump in demand for guns. But the attention paid to bump stocks, they said, was troubling. "Unfortunately it made them a novelty that was sought after," Bolding said. "It was just kind of an unfortunate incident that puts a lot of negative light on things."

In Wake of Vegas Shooting, Bump Stock Maker Missing From SHOT Show