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"And to add insult to injury, this is what Vick had to say about receiving the award:
"I've had to overcome a lot, probably more than one single individual can handle or can bear. You take a look at what I've been through, you ask certain people to walk in my shoes, they probably couldn't do it. Probably 95 percent of the people in this worldbecause nobody had to endure what I've been through, situations I've been put in, situations I've placed myself in."....
When asked for a comment about Vick's award and statement 7-year-old leukemia patient Sarah Davis summed it up best, "F*ck you." "
Little girls named Sarah are fiesty huh?
Yeah, there's some real class. Maybe you want to kick her parents' asses for letting her talk that way?
Nah ... it's okay if you agree with the ignorant message.
I totally believe in forgiveness and redemption...when the offender is repentant. I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe that Vick is repentant. Perhaps he would still be torturing dogs today if had not been caught.
Using the logic that if someone hadn't been caught, they'd still be committing their crimes, is ridiculous.
It takes GETTING CAUGHT, most of the time, to realize your errors. It's that part that sometimes is required for one to finally open their eyes.
How anyone thinks the guy hasn't repented yet is beyond me. He's made public apologies, and has spent his time so far on the right side of the law.
Now unless there's someone here that follows him around 24/7, none of you know whether or not he's been spending time at church for instance, repenting to his higher power.
So far the guy hasn't committed another crime. That is called PROGRESS.
Give the fucking guy some TIME for crying out loud. You don't reform in a matter of MONTHS. It's a long process of regaining the collective trust. Either you will never trust him again, or eventually you will come to see that he's earned it back. There's really nothing in between.
I can see who in this thread has abandoned the idea of ever trusting him again. Some have already mapped out his future. That's pretty neat
You make some good points.
But I still think he should never be allowed to own a dog again. Even if there is a chance he could be rehabilitated to the point of never being a danger to animals again, I think it's best to err on the side of safety of animals.
You say:
"none of you know whether or not he's been spending time at church for instance, repenting to his higher power."
That would hold no sway with me. In fact, it would make me somewhat suspicious. Too many people think they can make a plea for forgiveness to some imaginary higher power and that that wipes their slate clean.
I totally believe in forgiveness and redemption...when the offender is repentant. I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe that Vick is repentant. Perhaps he would still be torturing dogs today if had not been caught.
Using the logic that if someone hadn't been caught, they'd still be committing their crimes, is ridiculous.
It takes GETTING CAUGHT, most of the time, to realize your errors. It's that part that sometimes is required for one to finally open their eyes.
How anyone thinks the guy hasn't repented yet is beyond me. He's made public apologies, and has spent his time so far on the right side of the law.
Now unless there's someone here that follows him around 24/7, none of you know whether or not he's been spending time at church for instance, repenting to his higher power.
So far the guy hasn't committed another crime. That is called PROGRESS.
Give the fucking guy some TIME for crying out loud. You don't reform in a matter of MONTHS. It's a long process of regaining the collective trust. Either you will never trust him again, or eventually you will come to see that he's earned it back. There's really nothing in between.
I can see who in this thread has abandoned the idea of ever trusting him again. Some have already mapped out his future. That's pretty neat
How many times do you have to be told that once you break a trust it is almost impossible to gain it back? You might get lip service but the people never ever trust you again.
Using the logic that if someone hadn't been caught, they'd still be committing their crimes, is ridiculous.
It takes GETTING CAUGHT, most of the time, to realize your errors. It's that part that sometimes is required for one to finally open their eyes.
How anyone thinks the guy hasn't repented yet is beyond me. He's made public apologies, and has spent his time so far on the right side of the law.
Now unless there's someone here that follows him around 24/7, none of you know whether or not he's been spending time at church for instance, repenting to his higher power.
So far the guy hasn't committed another crime. That is called PROGRESS.
Give the fucking guy some TIME for crying out loud. You don't reform in a matter of MONTHS. It's a long process of regaining the collective trust. Either you will never trust him again, or eventually you will come to see that he's earned it back. There's really nothing in between.
I can see who in this thread has abandoned the idea of ever trusting him again. Some have already mapped out his future. That's pretty neat
How many times do you have to be told that once you break a trust it is almost impossible to gain it back? You might get lip service but the people never ever trust you again.
What the fuck is it with you and speaking for EVERYONE?
Who the hell do you think YOU are?
Paulie and Willow
So hot for each other they can't keep their hands off each other's posts.
Paulie and Willow
So hot for each other they can't keep their hands off each other's posts.
tell him about trust! see if he can get it. He ain't listening to me
Paulie and Willow
So hot for each other they can't keep their hands off each other's posts.
tell him about trust! see if he can get it. He ain't listening to me
I don't listen to idiots who presume to speak for all of human kind.
You're more of an elitist than any liberal I've ever met.
Suck on THAT, bitch.
That only depends on whether or not you think criminals deserve the chance to earn back trust. Or if you're like Willow and you think trust can NEVER be earned back, then this discussion is already over because we will get nowhere.
Why are you assuming I'm more willing to forgive him because he throws a football?
And to compare him to a cop especially, is disingenuous. A cop is in a position of authority and implied trust by his or her society. A cop's main job is to STOP the breaking of laws, not BREAK them. So I probably WOULD be less forgiving if it was a cop.
We had a state trooper down here in Cape May County that killed 2 teenage girls because he was speeding through an intersection in his cruiser, apparently responding to a call. Dispatch records showed no call took place at that time. The guy t-boned the girls' car and the collision was so hard that the girls' spinal cords were severed at their heads. They were out picking up milk for their mom.
When I look at the facts, it seems obvious that the cop lied about the situation. Interestingly enough, he was recently acquitted in the trial, and most intelligent people have no fucking idea how that happened. The justice system certainly isn't perfect.
you'll have to forgive me if I think that's a little more unforgivable than a guy who killed dogs and spent almost 2 years in prison for it.
And yes, I value a human life over an animal's life, with all things being equal.
tell him about trust! see if he can get it. He ain't listening to me
I don't listen to idiots who presume to speak for all of human kind.
You're more of an elitist than any liberal I've ever met.
Suck on THAT, bitch.
oh just shut the fuck up, you can't admit it now but you are wrong. just go screw around on yer girl and she'll show you about trust. you won't never have it again. I guarandamntee it.
I don't listen to idiots who presume to speak for all of human kind.
You're more of an elitist than any liberal I've ever met.
Suck on THAT, bitch.
oh just shut the fuck up, you can't admit it now but you are wrong. just go screw around on yer girl and she'll show you about trust. you won't never have it again. I guarandamntee it.
Willow, do two things for me please...Just two....
ONE: Don't flatter yourself so much as to think you have any fucking CLUE how my girl would respond in ANY situation, since you don't know her..
TWO: Go the fuck back to school and get a proper education. Your grammar is absolutely APPALLING.
And here's an added third one:
Shut the fuck up about relationship infidelity for crying out loud. That thread is over and done with and this has ZERO to do with it.
Oh, and a fourth:
See if you can find some way to NOT be such an ugly fucking bitch with no life beyond your keyboard.
That only depends on whether or not you think criminals deserve the chance to earn back trust. Or if you're like Willow and you think trust can NEVER be earned back, then this discussion is already over because we will get nowhere.
Why are you assuming I'm more willing to forgive him because he throws a football?
And to compare him to a cop especially, is disingenuous. A cop is in a position of authority and implied trust by his or her society. A cop's main job is to STOP the breaking of laws, not BREAK them. So I probably WOULD be less forgiving if it was a cop.
We had a state trooper down here in Cape May County that killed 2 teenage girls because he was speeding through an intersection in his cruiser, apparently responding to a call. Dispatch records showed no call took place at that time. The guy t-boned the girls' car and the collision was so hard that the girls' spinal cords were severed at their heads. They were out picking up milk for their mom.
When I look at the facts, it seems obvious that the cop lied about the situation. Interestingly enough, he was recently acquitted in the trial, and most intelligent people have no fucking idea how that happened. The justice system certainly isn't perfect.
you'll have to forgive me if I think that's a little more unforgivable than a guy who killed dogs and spent almost 2 years in prison for it.
And yes, I value a human life over an animal's life, with all things being equal.
Oh but you must forgive him and trust him to be a good little cop again or end up a hypocrite. But then we knew that didn't we? Why yes we did. Suck on that tater!
Using the logic that if someone hadn't been caught, they'd still be committing their crimes, is ridiculous.
Not that I'm defending his criminal actions, but you'd probably feel the same way if you'd committed a crime, realized the errors in your ways, did your time, and came to find out that half the fucking civilized WORLD apparently thinks you're garbage from here on out no matter what you do.
Hey Paulie - I knew those girls who were killed Fuck you
When I look at the facts, it seems obvious that the cop lied about the situation. Interestingly enough, he was recently acquitted in the trial, and most intelligent people have no fucking idea how that happened. The justice system certainly isn't perfect.
you'll have to forgive me if I think that's a little more unforgivable than a guy who killed dogs and spent almost 2 years in prison for it.
And yes, I value a human life over an animal's life, with all things being equal.
Paulie and Willow
So hot for each other they can't keep their hands off each other's posts.
tell him about trust! see if he can get it. He ain't listening to me
I don't listen to idiots who presume to speak for all of human kind.
You're more of an elitist than any liberal I've ever met.
Suck on THAT, bitch.
Okay Paulie. I will try to forgive you ... for being artarded!!you'll have to forgive me if I think that's a little more unforgivable than a guy who killed dogs and spent almost 2 years in prison for it.
And yes, I value a human life over an animal's life, with all things being equal.
