Video emerges of Georgia jogger attack; case headed to grand jury

[jc456]

again, they are illegally detaining/hindering him.....unless he just committed a crime ....did he?

They are not detaining him........again.......watch the video.........at all times the black guy had freedom of movement.....there was absolutely nothing to prevent him from jogging on down the street as he should have.

There was no excuse for him to attack the white guy with the gun.

They are detaining him. According to the fathers own words the incident in the video is at least the 3rd time they attempted to cut Ahmaud off. They went above and beyond what Georgia law allows for a citizens arrest. Ahmaud is under no obligation to talk to them. The father and son needed to let him got and just dial 911 after the first attempt to stop him. Instead they followed him and cut him off 2 more times. This was harassment and not a citizens arrest. It seems clear Ahmaud is trying to avoid them in the video (which is at last the 3rd time they cut him off) by swerving and running around the right side of the truck. But Travis moves to the front of the truck and cuts him off. I'm wondering what was going through Ahmaud's mind at that point knowing these guys weren't going to let him go. IMO he had a right to assume a defensive posture. A jury will decide.

I'm a Trump supporter and big defender of the 2nd Amendment. But this type of vigilante justice is NOT why we have the right to own weapons. The father and son had a right to open carry. They had a right to request Ahmaud stop to talk to them. But once Ahmaud made it clear he did not want to talk to them, they did not have a right to cut him off 3 times and block his path with a show of intimidating force. The poor decisions made by the father and son led to this incident. Under Georgia law this looks like involuntary manslaughter at least.

..they can request to talk to him, but they don't have a right to.....if fact, that can be seen as harassment

harassment especially if they are holding firearms......I talk to people everyday--but they don't have firearms

Lookie here boyo...in this nation anyone has a right to talk or try to talk to anyone...not complicated at all.
.....do you know the law regarding harassment?

And anyone in this nation has the right to not be harassed by strangers without being shot. Boy.

Well don’t try to steal a gun. Man this black guy was crazy

he actually pulled the gun into his own midsection after it went off twice.

Oooooooh. I see. It was suicide by red neck.

If you’re defending your house somebody breaks in and try to grab a gun in your hand what did you call that?

Who's how was being broken into? Who was in someone's house grabbing a gun in someone's hand?

The video shows a black guy wrestling the gun from the white guy and he got shot in his fucking chest, did he think his race card made him bulletproof lol

Here's the problem with everyone argument and it is the two that are being charged for murder admitted they followed the guy because they claim he fit a description of someone robbing the area.

Then the two had their guns out and had no business of trying to subdue the individual and they should have called the local authorities.

Laws are different from State to State but if someone is trying to stop you while running and you are black and they are white and they are holding a firearm to stop you from leaving then those holding the firearm could be in trouble.

Again, it is what the two men said why they were following the other guy is what will get them into trouble and the video hurt them even of the man lunges at the guy with the drawn firearm because that guy had no business getting out of his truck and trying to stop the other man.

they did call 911.

Then they should have left it to the local authorities and they had no business trying to subdue the person after he had been down the road.

They could have followed at a distance and gave the 911 operator the person home address or if they gotten in a vehicle the plate number and description of the automobile.

Again, this has been told countless of times do not take the law into your own hands unless your life is threaten and the two white guys put their lives at risk when confronting the runner.

they were looking to keep under control until the cops got there. Maybe stupid, but isn't illegal either.

You can not have guns drawn while waiting for someone to run down the road.

Also it is not illegal to run down a road and they had no business chasing after him unless a crime had been committed and they were witness to the crime.

They were a witness to a crime. One of them saw the man trespassing in a house under construction, called 9-1-1. Then the black man wearing a white t-shirt took off running when he realized he was spotted.

They followed him in their truck. Called 9-1-1 again. That’s when the black man wearing a white t-shirt attacked the man with the shotgun.

If you believe this, there is a bridge in Brooklyn that I've put up for sale.

Do you don’t believe the 9-1-1 audio or the video footage?

Video, mostly. I certainly don't believe the gunmen's stories, or the way you are trying so hard to spin your narrative. What's your connection to the gunmen?

No connection. I am not invested in this emotionally. I look at only the actual evidence. That’s what logical people do and that is what the justice system attempts to do. “Social Justice” on the other hand is fueled by emotion, and has an Agenda. Social Justice Terrorists could care less about the facts and evidence, all they care about is using the situation to create racial divide in order to help their Marxist party win elections. This is how they motivate their base.

:Because the burglar ran off to the side. If they were “chasing him down” why did the black “jogger” run right in front of the stopped vehicle and charge at the man with the shotgun?"

cats get it when confronted with their turds. the above real amerikan won't get it.

well no, the question is why didn't the jogger just keep jogging when he passed the truck? no one was in his way at all.

 

[OldLady]

Now, a trial.

QUESTION: Why are they protesting in front of the court house (I heard on the radio) when the two men have been arrested and charged with murder?

 

[Lysistrata]

again, they are illegally detaining/hindering him.....unless he just committed a crime ....did he?

They are not detaining him........again.......watch the video.........at all times the black guy had freedom of movement.....there was absolutely nothing to prevent him from jogging on down the street as he should have.

There was no excuse for him to attack the white guy with the gun.

They are detaining him. According to the fathers own words the incident in the video is at least the 3rd time they attempted to cut Ahmaud off. They went above and beyond what Georgia law allows for a citizens arrest. Ahmaud is under no obligation to talk to them. The father and son needed to let him got and just dial 911 after the first attempt to stop him. Instead they followed him and cut him off 2 more times. This was harassment and not a citizens arrest. It seems clear Ahmaud is trying to avoid them in the video (which is at last the 3rd time they cut him off) by swerving and running around the right side of the truck. But Travis moves to the front of the truck and cuts him off. I'm wondering what was going through Ahmaud's mind at that point knowing these guys weren't going to let him go. IMO he had a right to assume a defensive posture. A jury will decide.

I'm a Trump supporter and big defender of the 2nd Amendment. But this type of vigilante justice is NOT why we have the right to own weapons. The father and son had a right to open carry. They had a right to request Ahmaud stop to talk to them. But once Ahmaud made it clear he did not want to talk to them, they did not have a right to cut him off 3 times and block his path with a show of intimidating force. The poor decisions made by the father and son led to this incident. Under Georgia law this looks like involuntary manslaughter at least.

..they can request to talk to him, but they don't have a right to.....if fact, that can be seen as harassment

harassment especially if they are holding firearms......I talk to people everyday--but they don't have firearms

Lookie here boyo...in this nation anyone has a right to talk or try to talk to anyone...not complicated at all.
.....do you know the law regarding harassment?

And anyone in this nation has the right to not be harassed by strangers without being shot. Boy.

Well don’t try to steal a gun. Man this black guy was crazy

he actually pulled the gun into his own midsection after it went off twice.

Oooooooh. I see. It was suicide by red neck.

If you’re defending your house somebody breaks in and try to grab a gun in your hand what did you call that?

Who's how was being broken into? Who was in someone's house grabbing a gun in someone's hand?

The video shows a black guy wrestling the gun from the white guy and he got shot in his fucking chest, did he think his race card made him bulletproof lol

Here's the problem with everyone argument and it is the two that are being charged for murder admitted they followed the guy because they claim he fit a description of someone robbing the area.

Then the two had their guns out and had no business of trying to subdue the individual and they should have called the local authorities.

Laws are different from State to State but if someone is trying to stop you while running and you are black and they are white and they are holding a firearm to stop you from leaving then those holding the firearm could be in trouble.

Again, it is what the two men said why they were following the other guy is what will get them into trouble and the video hurt them even of the man lunges at the guy with the drawn firearm because that guy had no business getting out of his truck and trying to stop the other man.

they did call 911.

Then they should have left it to the local authorities and they had no business trying to subdue the person after he had been down the road.

They could have followed at a distance and gave the 911 operator the person home address or if they gotten in a vehicle the plate number and description of the automobile.

Again, this has been told countless of times do not take the law into your own hands unless your life is threaten and the two white guys put their lives at risk when confronting the runner.

they were looking to keep under control until the cops got there. Maybe stupid, but isn't illegal either.

You can not have guns drawn while waiting for someone to run down the road.

Also it is not illegal to run down a road and they had no business chasing after him unless a crime had been committed and they were witness to the crime.

They were a witness to a crime. One of them saw the man trespassing in a house under construction, called 9-1-1. Then the black man wearing a white t-shirt took off running when he realized he was spotted.

They followed him in their truck. Called 9-1-1 again. That’s when the black man wearing a white t-shirt attacked the man with the shotgun.

If you believe this, there is a bridge in Brooklyn that I've put up for sale.

Do you don’t believe the 9-1-1 audio or the video footage?

Video, mostly. I certainly don't believe the gunmen's stories, or the way you are trying so hard to spin your narrative. What's your connection to the gunmen?

No connection. I am not invested in this emotionally. I look at only the actual evidence. That’s what logical people do and that is what the justice system attempts to do. “Social Justice” on the other hand is fueled by emotion, and has an Agenda. Social Justice Terrorists could care less about the facts and evidence, all they care about is using the situation to create racial divide in order to help their Marxist party win elections. This is how they motivate their base.

What is wrong with seeking "social justice"? There is nothing wrong with insisting on "liberty and justice for all" as we declare in the salute to our flag. Your fractured political views and obsession with some "Marxist" nonsense spoon-fed to you by some lame talk-show host have nothing to do with deciding this case on the facts and evidence. You cannot keep introducing as "fact" or "evidence" some story that somebody concocted on the internet, particularly with the existence of the video.

 

[jc456]

I am not arguing in defense of the shooters and they put themselves in this mess.

Yeah, I know you're not.

I was just adding that there's really no logical case to be made that the victim lunged at the shooter if one watches the video slowly.

The video clearly shows that the shooter repositioned himself as the camera panned away to cut off the path of the victim as he circled around the front of the truck to resume his course.

He literally had no place to go but front-first into the barrel of a rifle.

You so dumb you cannot even watch a video and see what happened.....clearly the black jogger cut to the left making a bee line for the guy with the gun....if had continued running in the direction he was running before he decided to attack the guy with the gun he would be alive today.

Finally you admit he was a jogger. I guess that gets one killed if black in Georgia.

why didn't the jogger just continue up the road? why did he instead create an encounter. They had every right to be on the street as he did. no one stood in his way. video shows it, shit even natural citizen drew out what he did. not one of the two me directly in front of him. no sirreee

I do think the son came over to stop him, but the black made the mistake of attacking him. That’s where I say self defense.. no law for being a idiot

all the kid did was go around his opened door, he did not attempt to cut the supposed jogger off. the video clearly shows that.

 

[jc456]

again, they are illegally detaining/hindering him.....unless he just committed a crime ....did he?

They are not detaining him........again.......watch the video.........at all times the black guy had freedom of movement.....there was absolutely nothing to prevent him from jogging on down the street as he should have.

There was no excuse for him to attack the white guy with the gun.

They are detaining him. According to the fathers own words the incident in the video is at least the 3rd time they attempted to cut Ahmaud off. They went above and beyond what Georgia law allows for a citizens arrest. Ahmaud is under no obligation to talk to them. The father and son needed to let him got and just dial 911 after the first attempt to stop him. Instead they followed him and cut him off 2 more times. This was harassment and not a citizens arrest. It seems clear Ahmaud is trying to avoid them in the video (which is at last the 3rd time they cut him off) by swerving and running around the right side of the truck. But Travis moves to the front of the truck and cuts him off. I'm wondering what was going through Ahmaud's mind at that point knowing these guys weren't going to let him go. IMO he had a right to assume a defensive posture. A jury will decide.

I'm a Trump supporter and big defender of the 2nd Amendment. But this type of vigilante justice is NOT why we have the right to own weapons. The father and son had a right to open carry. They had a right to request Ahmaud stop to talk to them. But once Ahmaud made it clear he did not want to talk to them, they did not have a right to cut him off 3 times and block his path with a show of intimidating force. The poor decisions made by the father and son led to this incident. Under Georgia law this looks like involuntary manslaughter at least.

..they can request to talk to him, but they don't have a right to.....if fact, that can be seen as harassment

harassment especially if they are holding firearms......I talk to people everyday--but they don't have firearms

Lookie here boyo...in this nation anyone has a right to talk or try to talk to anyone...not complicated at all.
.....do you know the law regarding harassment?

And anyone in this nation has the right to not be harassed by strangers without being shot. Boy.

Well don’t try to steal a gun. Man this black guy was crazy

he actually pulled the gun into his own midsection after it went off twice.

Oooooooh. I see. It was suicide by red neck.

If you’re defending your house somebody breaks in and try to grab a gun in your hand what did you call that?

Who's how was being broken into? Who was in someone's house grabbing a gun in someone's hand?

The video shows a black guy wrestling the gun from the white guy and he got shot in his fucking chest, did he think his race card made him bulletproof lol

Here's the problem with everyone argument and it is the two that are being charged for murder admitted they followed the guy because they claim he fit a description of someone robbing the area.

Then the two had their guns out and had no business of trying to subdue the individual and they should have called the local authorities.

Laws are different from State to State but if someone is trying to stop you while running and you are black and they are white and they are holding a firearm to stop you from leaving then those holding the firearm could be in trouble.

Again, it is what the two men said why they were following the other guy is what will get them into trouble and the video hurt them even of the man lunges at the guy with the drawn firearm because that guy had no business getting out of his truck and trying to stop the other man.

they did call 911.

Then they should have left it to the local authorities and they had no business trying to subdue the person after he had been down the road.

They could have followed at a distance and gave the 911 operator the person home address or if they gotten in a vehicle the plate number and description of the automobile.

Again, this has been told countless of times do not take the law into your own hands unless your life is threaten and the two white guys put their lives at risk when confronting the runner.

they were looking to keep under control until the cops got there. Maybe stupid, but isn't illegal either.

You can not have guns drawn while waiting for someone to run down the road.

Also it is not illegal to run down a road and they had no business chasing after him unless a crime had been committed and they were witness to the crime.

They were a witness to a crime. One of them saw the man trespassing in a house under construction, called 9-1-1. Then the black man wearing a white t-shirt took off running when he realized he was spotted.

They followed him in their truck. Called 9-1-1 again. That’s when the black man wearing a white t-shirt attacked the man with the shotgun.

If you believe this, there is a bridge in Brooklyn that I've put up for sale.

Do you don’t believe the 9-1-1 audio or the video footage?

Video, mostly. I certainly don't believe the gunmen's stories, or the way you are trying so hard to spin your narrative. What's your connection to the gunmen?

No connection. I am not invested in this emotionally. I look at only the actual evidence. That’s what logical people do and that is what the justice system attempts to do. “Social Justice” on the other hand is fueled by emotion, and has an Agenda. Social Justice Terrorists could care less about the facts and evidence, all they care about is using the situation to create racial divide in order to help their Marxist party win elections. This is how they motivate their base.

What is wrong with seeking "social justice"? There is nothing wrong with insisting on "liberty and justice for all" as we declare in the salute to our flag. Your fractured political views and obsession with some "Marxist" nonsense spoon-fed to you by some lame talk-show host have nothing to do with deciding this case on the facts and evidence. You cannot keep introducing as "fact" or "evidence" some story that somebody concocted on the internet, particularly with the existence of the video.

nothing, as long as one stays with the facts and stop introducing dream weavers.

 

[L.K.Eder]

Now, a trial.

QUESTION: Why are they protesting in front of the court house (I heard on the radio) when the two men have been arrested and charged with murder?

to keep the pressure up. without outside pressure those guys would not have been arrested.

 

[L.K.Eder]

I am not arguing in defense of the shooters and they put themselves in this mess.

Yeah, I know you're not.

I was just adding that there's really no logical case to be made that the victim lunged at the shooter if one watches the video slowly.

The video clearly shows that the shooter repositioned himself as the camera panned away to cut off the path of the victim as he circled around the front of the truck to resume his course.

He literally had no place to go but front-first into the barrel of a rifle.

You so dumb you cannot even watch a video and see what happened.....clearly the black jogger cut to the left making a bee line for the guy with the gun....if had continued running in the direction he was running before he decided to attack the guy with the gun he would be alive today.

Finally you admit he was a jogger. I guess that gets one killed if black in Georgia.

why didn't the jogger just continue up the road? why did he instead create an encounter. They had every right to be on the street as he did. no one stood in his way. video shows it, shit even natural citizen drew out what he did. not one of the two me directly in front of him. no sirreee

I do think the son came over to stop him, but the black made the mistake of attacking him. That’s where I say self defense.. no law for being a idiot

all the kid did was go around his opened door, he did not attempt to cut the supposed jogger off. the video clearly shows that.

the kid. lol.

 

[Lysistrata]

again, they are illegally detaining/hindering him.....unless he just committed a crime ....did he?

They are not detaining him........again.......watch the video.........at all times the black guy had freedom of movement.....there was absolutely nothing to prevent him from jogging on down the street as he should have.

There was no excuse for him to attack the white guy with the gun.

They are detaining him. According to the fathers own words the incident in the video is at least the 3rd time they attempted to cut Ahmaud off. They went above and beyond what Georgia law allows for a citizens arrest. Ahmaud is under no obligation to talk to them. The father and son needed to let him got and just dial 911 after the first attempt to stop him. Instead they followed him and cut him off 2 more times. This was harassment and not a citizens arrest. It seems clear Ahmaud is trying to avoid them in the video (which is at last the 3rd time they cut him off) by swerving and running around the right side of the truck. But Travis moves to the front of the truck and cuts him off. I'm wondering what was going through Ahmaud's mind at that point knowing these guys weren't going to let him go. IMO he had a right to assume a defensive posture. A jury will decide.

I'm a Trump supporter and big defender of the 2nd Amendment. But this type of vigilante justice is NOT why we have the right to own weapons. The father and son had a right to open carry. They had a right to request Ahmaud stop to talk to them. But once Ahmaud made it clear he did not want to talk to them, they did not have a right to cut him off 3 times and block his path with a show of intimidating force. The poor decisions made by the father and son led to this incident. Under Georgia law this looks like involuntary manslaughter at least.

..they can request to talk to him, but they don't have a right to.....if fact, that can be seen as harassment

harassment especially if they are holding firearms......I talk to people everyday--but they don't have firearms

Lookie here boyo...in this nation anyone has a right to talk or try to talk to anyone...not complicated at all.
.....do you know the law regarding harassment?

And anyone in this nation has the right to not be harassed by strangers without being shot. Boy.

Well don’t try to steal a gun. Man this black guy was crazy

he actually pulled the gun into his own midsection after it went off twice.

Oooooooh. I see. It was suicide by red neck.

If you’re defending your house somebody breaks in and try to grab a gun in your hand what did you call that?

Who's how was being broken into? Who was in someone's house grabbing a gun in someone's hand?

The video shows a black guy wrestling the gun from the white guy and he got shot in his fucking chest, did he think his race card made him bulletproof lol

Here's the problem with everyone argument and it is the two that are being charged for murder admitted they followed the guy because they claim he fit a description of someone robbing the area.

Then the two had their guns out and had no business of trying to subdue the individual and they should have called the local authorities.

Laws are different from State to State but if someone is trying to stop you while running and you are black and they are white and they are holding a firearm to stop you from leaving then those holding the firearm could be in trouble.

Again, it is what the two men said why they were following the other guy is what will get them into trouble and the video hurt them even of the man lunges at the guy with the drawn firearm because that guy had no business getting out of his truck and trying to stop the other man.

they did call 911.

Then they should have left it to the local authorities and they had no business trying to subdue the person after he had been down the road.

They could have followed at a distance and gave the 911 operator the person home address or if they gotten in a vehicle the plate number and description of the automobile.

Again, this has been told countless of times do not take the law into your own hands unless your life is threaten and the two white guys put their lives at risk when confronting the runner.

they were looking to keep under control until the cops got there. Maybe stupid, but isn't illegal either.

You can not have guns drawn while waiting for someone to run down the road.

Also it is not illegal to run down a road and they had no business chasing after him unless a crime had been committed and they were witness to the crime.

They were a witness to a crime. One of them saw the man trespassing in a house under construction, called 9-1-1. Then the black man wearing a white t-shirt took off running when he realized he was spotted.

They followed him in their truck. Called 9-1-1 again. That’s when the black man wearing a white t-shirt attacked the man with the shotgun.

If you believe this, there is a bridge in Brooklyn that I've put up for sale.

Do you don’t believe the 9-1-1 audio or the video footage?

Video, mostly. I certainly don't believe the gunmen's stories, or the way you are trying so hard to spin your narrative. What's your connection to the gunmen?

No connection. I am not invested in this emotionally. I look at only the actual evidence. That’s what logical people do and that is what the justice system attempts to do. “Social Justice” on the other hand is fueled by emotion, and has an Agenda. Social Justice Terrorists could care less about the facts and evidence, all they care about is using the situation to create racial divide in order to help their Marxist party win elections. This is how they motivate their base.

:Because the burglar ran off to the side. If they were “chasing him down” why did the black “jogger” run right in front of the stopped vehicle and charge at the man with the shotgun?"

cats get it when confronted with their turds. the above real amerikan won't get it.

well no, the question is why didn't the jogger just keep jogging when he passed the truck? no one was in his way at all.

Including the guy hiding behind the open truck door with a shotgun? Oh, puleeze. You strain credulity to the point of breaking it. There is no "question" here.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

LOL

You dumbshits never say anything that isn't dumb shit, huh?

The video shows the truck stopped ahead of the guy jogging down the street -- and then the jogger fighting for his life with a guy holding a shotgun at him.

Fry them.

I have given this entire matter as fair of an assessment as I can. At best, everyone involved acted stupid.

Confronting somebody you suspect of a crime is not your job and very dangerous, especially if you do so while armed. It's a stupid risk to take.

At the same time, when being confronted by several people with guns, while you are jogging, why not just keep jogging? If that is not an option, why attempt to take the shotgun away from one, when others are also armed? Maybe they kill you anyway if you try to run or if you try comply with their "arrest" but they sure as hell will kill you if you try to go for ONE of their guns. Jesus.

.

Oh? what did the jogger do that was stupid?

Fought with someone that had a loaded firearm while knowing the other guy also had a gun.

Yes, in the movies you can win that fight but in real life you lose 99% of the time.

What the other poster is suggesting he should have kept running if possible or just put his hands up and seeing someone was recording it ( the jogger most likely did not know ) and had they shot him still or beat him then the case is clear and no damn way they would walk.

That said the two idiots were in the wrong for chasing and confronting and shooting the guy was a result of their actions!

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Now, a trial.

QUESTION: Why are they protesting in front of the court house (I heard on the radio) when the two men have been arrested and charged with murder?

Excuse to get out and not be bored

 

[Marion Morrison]

again, they are illegally detaining/hindering him.....unless he just committed a crime ....did he?

They are not detaining him........again.......watch the video.........at all times the black guy had freedom of movement.....there was absolutely nothing to prevent him from jogging on down the street as he should have.

There was no excuse for him to attack the white guy with the gun.

They are detaining him. According to the fathers own words the incident in the video is at least the 3rd time they attempted to cut Ahmaud off. They went above and beyond what Georgia law allows for a citizens arrest. Ahmaud is under no obligation to talk to them. The father and son needed to let him got and just dial 911 after the first attempt to stop him. Instead they followed him and cut him off 2 more times. This was harassment and not a citizens arrest. It seems clear Ahmaud is trying to avoid them in the video (which is at last the 3rd time they cut him off) by swerving and running around the right side of the truck. But Travis moves to the front of the truck and cuts him off. I'm wondering what was going through Ahmaud's mind at that point knowing these guys weren't going to let him go. IMO he had a right to assume a defensive posture. A jury will decide.

I'm a Trump supporter and big defender of the 2nd Amendment. But this type of vigilante justice is NOT why we have the right to own weapons. The father and son had a right to open carry. They had a right to request Ahmaud stop to talk to them. But once Ahmaud made it clear he did not want to talk to them, they did not have a right to cut him off 3 times and block his path with a show of intimidating force. The poor decisions made by the father and son led to this incident. Under Georgia law this looks like involuntary manslaughter at least.

..they can request to talk to him, but they don't have a right to.....if fact, that can be seen as harassment

harassment especially if they are holding firearms......I talk to people everyday--but they don't have firearms

Lookie here boyo...in this nation anyone has a right to talk or try to talk to anyone...not complicated at all.
.....do you know the law regarding harassment?

And anyone in this nation has the right to not be harassed by strangers without being shot. Boy.

Well don’t try to steal a gun. Man this black guy was crazy

he actually pulled the gun into his own midsection after it went off twice.

Oooooooh. I see. It was suicide by red neck.

If you’re defending your house somebody breaks in and try to grab a gun in your hand what did you call that?

Who's how was being broken into? Who was in someone's house grabbing a gun in someone's hand?

The video shows a black guy wrestling the gun from the white guy and he got shot in his fucking chest, did he think his race card made him bulletproof lol

Here's the problem with everyone argument and it is the two that are being charged for murder admitted they followed the guy because they claim he fit a description of someone robbing the area.

Then the two had their guns out and had no business of trying to subdue the individual and they should have called the local authorities.

Laws are different from State to State but if someone is trying to stop you while running and you are black and they are white and they are holding a firearm to stop you from leaving then those holding the firearm could be in trouble.

Again, it is what the two men said why they were following the other guy is what will get them into trouble and the video hurt them even of the man lunges at the guy with the drawn firearm because that guy had no business getting out of his truck and trying to stop the other man.

they did call 911.

Then they should have left it to the local authorities and they had no business trying to subdue the person after he had been down the road.

They could have followed at a distance and gave the 911 operator the person home address or if they gotten in a vehicle the plate number and description of the automobile.

Again, this has been told countless of times do not take the law into your own hands unless your life is threaten and the two white guys put their lives at risk when confronting the runner.

they were looking to keep under control until the cops got there. Maybe stupid, but isn't illegal either.

You can not have guns drawn while waiting for someone to run down the road.

Also it is not illegal to run down a road and they had no business chasing after him unless a crime had been committed and they were witness to the crime.

They were a witness to a crime. One of them saw the man trespassing in a house under construction, called 9-1-1. Then the black man wearing a white t-shirt took off running when he realized he was spotted.

They followed him in their truck. Called 9-1-1 again. That’s when the black man wearing a white t-shirt attacked the man with the shotgun.

If you believe this, there is a bridge in Brooklyn that I've put up for sale.

Do you don’t believe the 9-1-1 audio or the video footage?

Video, mostly. I certainly don't believe the gunmen's stories, or the way you are trying so hard to spin your narrative. What's your connection to the gunmen?

No connection. I am not invested in this emotionally. I look at only the actual evidence. That’s what logical people do and that is what the justice system attempts to do. “Social Justice” on the other hand is fueled by emotion, and has an Agenda. Social Justice Terrorists could care less about the facts and evidence, all they care about is using the situation to create racial divide in order to help their Marxist party win elections. This is how they motivate their base.

What is wrong with seeking "social justice"? There is nothing wrong with insisting on "liberty and justice for all" as we declare in the salute to our flag. Your fractured political views and obsession with some "Marxist" nonsense spoon-fed to you by some lame talk-show host have nothing to do with deciding this case on the facts and evidence. You cannot keep introducing as "fact" or "evidence" some story that somebody concocted on the internet, particularly with the existence of the video.

Because only useful idiot lemmings of the leftist variety seek Social Justice.
Non-thinking hive mind drones that are programmed daily.

 

[jc456]

I am not arguing in defense of the shooters and they put themselves in this mess.

Yeah, I know you're not.

I was just adding that there's really no logical case to be made that the victim lunged at the shooter if one watches the video slowly.

The video clearly shows that the shooter repositioned himself as the camera panned away to cut off the path of the victim as he circled around the front of the truck to resume his course.

He literally had no place to go but front-first into the barrel of a rifle.

You so dumb you cannot even watch a video and see what happened.....clearly the black jogger cut to the left making a bee line for the guy with the gun....if had continued running in the direction he was running before he decided to attack the guy with the gun he would be alive today.

Finally you admit he was a jogger. I guess that gets one killed if black in Georgia.

why didn't the jogger just continue up the road? why did he instead create an encounter. They had every right to be on the street as he did. no one stood in his way. video shows it, shit even natural citizen drew out what he did. not one of the two me directly in front of him. no sirreee

I do think the son came over to stop him, but the black made the mistake of attacking him. That’s where I say self defense.. no law for being a idiot

all the kid did was go around his opened door, he did not attempt to cut the supposed jogger off. the video clearly shows that.

the kid. lol.

well one is the father, so to separate the two family members, it's a kid. I know that's tough for fks like you.

 

[Lysistrata]

So, it turns out somebody caught it on video. It is clear from the video that the jogger was ambushed. The truck stopped in the road ahead of him, waiting on him to run by, and when he went around the truck, the driver jumped him while the other man, standing in the back of the truck, either shot the jogger, or was aiming and ready to shoot.

These men were not in fear of their lives. They ambushed the jogger plain and simple. Try them, and if convicted, give them the maximum sentence possible.

Video posted online as DA says case of Georgia man who was chased and killed will go to grand jury | CNN

A Georgia district attorney is recommending that the case of a man who was chased, shot and killed while running more than two months ago go to a grand jury, according to a news release obtained by CNN.

www.cnn.com

Why did these dudes feel it necessary to approach a guy on the street without contacting the police first? How stupid.

They can say that they feared for their lives all day long, but they are the people brandishing firearms. Who was or should have been in fear?

At the same time, this guy was stupid to try and take the shotgun away from the driver. I understand wanting to disarm somebody if you honestly believe they will use it on you, but he was outnumbered and unarmed. He may have been better off just continuing to run. They may have eventually killed him if he ran away, but now he is dead AND there is video showing that him attacking and punching the guy with the shotgun. He provided them with a possible defense.

.

The thing is we do not know what was being said between the two, so there stuff we may never no why he went for the firearm...

There was a 911 call but it does not exonerate the two guys at all and in fact when asked if a crime was committed the caller said no.

The story seem they said he look like someone robbing the area, and if so it still was not their job to chase him down and wait for him.

again, their intentions were to hold him until the police arrived. he didn't want that. That's very obvious. damn, they called the police, seems intentions were for the police to question him, not shoot him. Why else would they have contacted the police? let's hear your explanation.

So what about their "intentions" when they had no right to hold him or physically restrain him in any manner.

 

[L.K.Eder]

again, they are illegally detaining/hindering him.....unless he just committed a crime ....did he?

They are not detaining him........again.......watch the video.........at all times the black guy had freedom of movement.....there was absolutely nothing to prevent him from jogging on down the street as he should have.

There was no excuse for him to attack the white guy with the gun.

They are detaining him. According to the fathers own words the incident in the video is at least the 3rd time they attempted to cut Ahmaud off. They went above and beyond what Georgia law allows for a citizens arrest. Ahmaud is under no obligation to talk to them. The father and son needed to let him got and just dial 911 after the first attempt to stop him. Instead they followed him and cut him off 2 more times. This was harassment and not a citizens arrest. It seems clear Ahmaud is trying to avoid them in the video (which is at last the 3rd time they cut him off) by swerving and running around the right side of the truck. But Travis moves to the front of the truck and cuts him off. I'm wondering what was going through Ahmaud's mind at that point knowing these guys weren't going to let him go. IMO he had a right to assume a defensive posture. A jury will decide.

I'm a Trump supporter and big defender of the 2nd Amendment. But this type of vigilante justice is NOT why we have the right to own weapons. The father and son had a right to open carry. They had a right to request Ahmaud stop to talk to them. But once Ahmaud made it clear he did not want to talk to them, they did not have a right to cut him off 3 times and block his path with a show of intimidating force. The poor decisions made by the father and son led to this incident. Under Georgia law this looks like involuntary manslaughter at least.

..they can request to talk to him, but they don't have a right to.....if fact, that can be seen as harassment

harassment especially if they are holding firearms......I talk to people everyday--but they don't have firearms

Lookie here boyo...in this nation anyone has a right to talk or try to talk to anyone...not complicated at all.
.....do you know the law regarding harassment?

And anyone in this nation has the right to not be harassed by strangers without being shot. Boy.

Well don’t try to steal a gun. Man this black guy was crazy

he actually pulled the gun into his own midsection after it went off twice.

Oooooooh. I see. It was suicide by red neck.

If you’re defending your house somebody breaks in and try to grab a gun in your hand what did you call that?

Who's how was being broken into? Who was in someone's house grabbing a gun in someone's hand?

The video shows a black guy wrestling the gun from the white guy and he got shot in his fucking chest, did he think his race card made him bulletproof lol

Here's the problem with everyone argument and it is the two that are being charged for murder admitted they followed the guy because they claim he fit a description of someone robbing the area.

Then the two had their guns out and had no business of trying to subdue the individual and they should have called the local authorities.

Laws are different from State to State but if someone is trying to stop you while running and you are black and they are white and they are holding a firearm to stop you from leaving then those holding the firearm could be in trouble.

Again, it is what the two men said why they were following the other guy is what will get them into trouble and the video hurt them even of the man lunges at the guy with the drawn firearm because that guy had no business getting out of his truck and trying to stop the other man.

they did call 911.

Then they should have left it to the local authorities and they had no business trying to subdue the person after he had been down the road.

They could have followed at a distance and gave the 911 operator the person home address or if they gotten in a vehicle the plate number and description of the automobile.

Again, this has been told countless of times do not take the law into your own hands unless your life is threaten and the two white guys put their lives at risk when confronting the runner.

they were looking to keep under control until the cops got there. Maybe stupid, but isn't illegal either.

You can not have guns drawn while waiting for someone to run down the road.

Also it is not illegal to run down a road and they had no business chasing after him unless a crime had been committed and they were witness to the crime.

They were a witness to a crime. One of them saw the man trespassing in a house under construction, called 9-1-1. Then the black man wearing a white t-shirt took off running when he realized he was spotted.

They followed him in their truck. Called 9-1-1 again. That’s when the black man wearing a white t-shirt attacked the man with the shotgun.

If you believe this, there is a bridge in Brooklyn that I've put up for sale.

Do you don’t believe the 9-1-1 audio or the video footage?

Video, mostly. I certainly don't believe the gunmen's stories, or the way you are trying so hard to spin your narrative. What's your connection to the gunmen?

No connection. I am not invested in this emotionally. I look at only the actual evidence. That’s what logical people do and that is what the justice system attempts to do. “Social Justice” on the other hand is fueled by emotion, and has an Agenda. Social Justice Terrorists could care less about the facts and evidence, all they care about is using the situation to create racial divide in order to help their Marxist party win elections. This is how they motivate their base.

:Because the burglar ran off to the side. If they were “chasing him down” why did the black “jogger” run right in front of the stopped vehicle and charge at the man with the shotgun?"

cats get it when confronted with their turds. the above real amerikan won't get it.

well no, the question is why didn't the jogger just keep jogging when he passed the truck? no one was in his way at all.

not even your otherwise trumpstruck cohorts agree with you on this. you are one of the dumbest ***** on this board with zero value.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

..plain and simple:
..he was doing no wrong
..the suspects admit to chasing/blocking/intercepting him--and they admit he even peacefully tried to get away
...they shot him
..he finally was FORCED to stand his ground

I have a slightly different opinion, after seeing the video.

He was doing no wrong by jogging.
They did chase/block/intercept him
I have not read where he "peacefully" tried to get away
He tried to take the shotgun away from one of them, even punched him multiple times
The struggle went on long enough for the person with the handgun to shot many times over, without hitting the shotgun guy, but he did not shoot. The shotgun guy could have shot him several times, but did not. The gun was going off because of the struggle.
At no time did it appear to me that this guy could not have just ran away, given the multiple opportunities for both gunmen to shoot him.
I never once saw him attempt to flee.

Despite the jogger not having a duty to flee, the fact that he didn't when many opportunities presented themselves, indicate that he was not acting out of fear, but out of anger.

Either way, everybody was stupid in this situation.

.

Again, we do not know what was said when he was confronted and if we had a way to know what was said then we would have a very clear reason why the jogger did what he did...

 

[jc456]

again, they are illegally detaining/hindering him.....unless he just committed a crime ....did he?

They are not detaining him........again.......watch the video.........at all times the black guy had freedom of movement.....there was absolutely nothing to prevent him from jogging on down the street as he should have.

There was no excuse for him to attack the white guy with the gun.

They are detaining him. According to the fathers own words the incident in the video is at least the 3rd time they attempted to cut Ahmaud off. They went above and beyond what Georgia law allows for a citizens arrest. Ahmaud is under no obligation to talk to them. The father and son needed to let him got and just dial 911 after the first attempt to stop him. Instead they followed him and cut him off 2 more times. This was harassment and not a citizens arrest. It seems clear Ahmaud is trying to avoid them in the video (which is at last the 3rd time they cut him off) by swerving and running around the right side of the truck. But Travis moves to the front of the truck and cuts him off. I'm wondering what was going through Ahmaud's mind at that point knowing these guys weren't going to let him go. IMO he had a right to assume a defensive posture. A jury will decide.

I'm a Trump supporter and big defender of the 2nd Amendment. But this type of vigilante justice is NOT why we have the right to own weapons. The father and son had a right to open carry. They had a right to request Ahmaud stop to talk to them. But once Ahmaud made it clear he did not want to talk to them, they did not have a right to cut him off 3 times and block his path with a show of intimidating force. The poor decisions made by the father and son led to this incident. Under Georgia law this looks like involuntary manslaughter at least.

..they can request to talk to him, but they don't have a right to.....if fact, that can be seen as harassment

harassment especially if they are holding firearms......I talk to people everyday--but they don't have firearms

Lookie here boyo...in this nation anyone has a right to talk or try to talk to anyone...not complicated at all.
.....do you know the law regarding harassment?

And anyone in this nation has the right to not be harassed by strangers without being shot. Boy.

Well don’t try to steal a gun. Man this black guy was crazy

he actually pulled the gun into his own midsection after it went off twice.

Oooooooh. I see. It was suicide by red neck.

If you’re defending your house somebody breaks in and try to grab a gun in your hand what did you call that?

Who's how was being broken into? Who was in someone's house grabbing a gun in someone's hand?

The video shows a black guy wrestling the gun from the white guy and he got shot in his fucking chest, did he think his race card made him bulletproof lol

Here's the problem with everyone argument and it is the two that are being charged for murder admitted they followed the guy because they claim he fit a description of someone robbing the area.

Then the two had their guns out and had no business of trying to subdue the individual and they should have called the local authorities.

Laws are different from State to State but if someone is trying to stop you while running and you are black and they are white and they are holding a firearm to stop you from leaving then those holding the firearm could be in trouble.

Again, it is what the two men said why they were following the other guy is what will get them into trouble and the video hurt them even of the man lunges at the guy with the drawn firearm because that guy had no business getting out of his truck and trying to stop the other man.

they did call 911.

Then they should have left it to the local authorities and they had no business trying to subdue the person after he had been down the road.

They could have followed at a distance and gave the 911 operator the person home address or if they gotten in a vehicle the plate number and description of the automobile.

Again, this has been told countless of times do not take the law into your own hands unless your life is threaten and the two white guys put their lives at risk when confronting the runner.

they were looking to keep under control until the cops got there. Maybe stupid, but isn't illegal either.

You can not have guns drawn while waiting for someone to run down the road.

Also it is not illegal to run down a road and they had no business chasing after him unless a crime had been committed and they were witness to the crime.

They were a witness to a crime. One of them saw the man trespassing in a house under construction, called 9-1-1. Then the black man wearing a white t-shirt took off running when he realized he was spotted.

They followed him in their truck. Called 9-1-1 again. That’s when the black man wearing a white t-shirt attacked the man with the shotgun.

If you believe this, there is a bridge in Brooklyn that I've put up for sale.

Do you don’t believe the 9-1-1 audio or the video footage?

Video, mostly. I certainly don't believe the gunmen's stories, or the way you are trying so hard to spin your narrative. What's your connection to the gunmen?

No connection. I am not invested in this emotionally. I look at only the actual evidence. That’s what logical people do and that is what the justice system attempts to do. “Social Justice” on the other hand is fueled by emotion, and has an Agenda. Social Justice Terrorists could care less about the facts and evidence, all they care about is using the situation to create racial divide in order to help their Marxist party win elections. This is how they motivate their base.

What is wrong with seeking "social justice"? There is nothing wrong with insisting on "liberty and justice for all" as we declare in the salute to our flag. Your fractured political views and obsession with some "Marxist" nonsense spoon-fed to you by some lame talk-show host have nothing to do with deciding this case on the facts and evidence. You cannot keep introducing as "fact" or "evidence" some story that somebody concocted on the internet, particularly with the existence of the video.

Because only useful idiot lemmings of the leftist variety seek Social Justice.
Non-thinking hive mind drones.

in other words, the truth doesn't matter to them. never has, never will. they enjoy dream weavers.

 

[Jitss617]

..plain and simple:
..he was doing no wrong
..the suspects admit to chasing/blocking/intercepting him--and they admit he even peacefully tried to get away
...they shot him
..he finally was FORCED to stand his ground

I have a slightly different opinion, after seeing the video.

He was doing no wrong by jogging.
They did chase/block/intercept him
I have not read where he "peacefully" tried to get away
He tried to take the shotgun away from one of them, even punched him multiple times
The struggle went on long enough for the person with the handgun to shot many times over, without hitting the shotgun guy, but he did not shoot. The shotgun guy could have shot him several times, but did not. The gun was going off because of the struggle.
At no time did it appear to me that this guy could not have just ran away, given the multiple opportunities for both gunmen to shoot him.
I never once saw him attempt to flee.

Despite the jogger not having a duty to flee, the fact that he didn't when many opportunities presented themselves, indicate that he was not acting out of fear, but out of anger.

Either way, everybody was stupid in this situation.

.

Again, we do not know what was said when he was confronted and if we had a way to know what was said then we would have a very clear reason why the jogger did what he did...

all he said was stop and he was attacked By a out-of-control African-American

 

[OldLady]

again, they are illegally detaining/hindering him.....unless he just committed a crime ....did he?

They are not detaining him........again.......watch the video.........at all times the black guy had freedom of movement.....there was absolutely nothing to prevent him from jogging on down the street as he should have.

There was no excuse for him to attack the white guy with the gun.

They are detaining him. According to the fathers own words the incident in the video is at least the 3rd time they attempted to cut Ahmaud off. They went above and beyond what Georgia law allows for a citizens arrest. Ahmaud is under no obligation to talk to them. The father and son needed to let him got and just dial 911 after the first attempt to stop him. Instead they followed him and cut him off 2 more times. This was harassment and not a citizens arrest. It seems clear Ahmaud is trying to avoid them in the video (which is at last the 3rd time they cut him off) by swerving and running around the right side of the truck. But Travis moves to the front of the truck and cuts him off. I'm wondering what was going through Ahmaud's mind at that point knowing these guys weren't going to let him go. IMO he had a right to assume a defensive posture. A jury will decide.

I'm a Trump supporter and big defender of the 2nd Amendment. But this type of vigilante justice is NOT why we have the right to own weapons. The father and son had a right to open carry. They had a right to request Ahmaud stop to talk to them. But once Ahmaud made it clear he did not want to talk to them, they did not have a right to cut him off 3 times and block his path with a show of intimidating force. The poor decisions made by the father and son led to this incident. Under Georgia law this looks like involuntary manslaughter at least.

..they can request to talk to him, but they don't have a right to.....if fact, that can be seen as harassment

harassment especially if they are holding firearms......I talk to people everyday--but they don't have firearms

Lookie here boyo...in this nation anyone has a right to talk or try to talk to anyone...not complicated at all.
.....do you know the law regarding harassment?

And anyone in this nation has the right to not be harassed by strangers without being shot. Boy.

Well don’t try to steal a gun. Man this black guy was crazy

he actually pulled the gun into his own midsection after it went off twice.

Oooooooh. I see. It was suicide by red neck.

If you’re defending your house somebody breaks in and try to grab a gun in your hand what did you call that?

Who's how was being broken into? Who was in someone's house grabbing a gun in someone's hand?

The video shows a black guy wrestling the gun from the white guy and he got shot in his fucking chest, did he think his race card made him bulletproof lol

Here's the problem with everyone argument and it is the two that are being charged for murder admitted they followed the guy because they claim he fit a description of someone robbing the area.

Then the two had their guns out and had no business of trying to subdue the individual and they should have called the local authorities.

Laws are different from State to State but if someone is trying to stop you while running and you are black and they are white and they are holding a firearm to stop you from leaving then those holding the firearm could be in trouble.

Again, it is what the two men said why they were following the other guy is what will get them into trouble and the video hurt them even of the man lunges at the guy with the drawn firearm because that guy had no business getting out of his truck and trying to stop the other man.

they did call 911.

Then they should have left it to the local authorities and they had no business trying to subdue the person after he had been down the road.

They could have followed at a distance and gave the 911 operator the person home address or if they gotten in a vehicle the plate number and description of the automobile.

Again, this has been told countless of times do not take the law into your own hands unless your life is threaten and the two white guys put their lives at risk when confronting the runner.

they were looking to keep under control until the cops got there. Maybe stupid, but isn't illegal either.

You can not have guns drawn while waiting for someone to run down the road.

Also it is not illegal to run down a road and they had no business chasing after him unless a crime had been committed and they were witness to the crime.

They were a witness to a crime. One of them saw the man trespassing in a house under construction, called 9-1-1. Then the black man wearing a white t-shirt took off running when he realized he was spotted.

They followed him in their truck. Called 9-1-1 again. That’s when the black man wearing a white t-shirt attacked the man with the shotgun.

If you believe this, there is a bridge in Brooklyn that I've put up for sale.

Do you don’t believe the 9-1-1 audio or the video footage?

Video, mostly. I certainly don't believe the gunmen's stories, or the way you are trying so hard to spin your narrative. What's your connection to the gunmen?

No connection. I am not invested in this emotionally. I look at only the actual evidence. That’s what logical people do and that is what the justice system attempts to do. “Social Justice” on the other hand is fueled by emotion, and has an Agenda. Social Justice Terrorists could care less about the facts and evidence, all they care about is using the situation to create racial divide in order to help their Marxist party win elections. This is how they motivate their base.

:Because the burglar ran off to the side. If they were “chasing him down” why did the black “jogger” run right in front of the stopped vehicle and charge at the man with the shotgun?"

cats get it when confronted with their turds. the above real amerikan won't get it.

well no, the question is why didn't the jogger just keep jogging when he passed the truck? no one was in his way at all.

So they could shoot him in the back? Get back in the truck and run him over? I think it had gone beyond "ignoring" at that point.

 

[L.K.Eder]

I am not arguing in defense of the shooters and they put themselves in this mess.

Yeah, I know you're not.

I was just adding that there's really no logical case to be made that the victim lunged at the shooter if one watches the video slowly.

The video clearly shows that the shooter repositioned himself as the camera panned away to cut off the path of the victim as he circled around the front of the truck to resume his course.

He literally had no place to go but front-first into the barrel of a rifle.

You so dumb you cannot even watch a video and see what happened.....clearly the black jogger cut to the left making a bee line for the guy with the gun....if had continued running in the direction he was running before he decided to attack the guy with the gun he would be alive today.

Finally you admit he was a jogger. I guess that gets one killed if black in Georgia.

why didn't the jogger just continue up the road? why did he instead create an encounter. They had every right to be on the street as he did. no one stood in his way. video shows it, shit even natural citizen drew out what he did. not one of the two me directly in front of him. no sirreee

I do think the son came over to stop him, but the black made the mistake of attacking him. That’s where I say self defense.. no law for being a idiot

all the kid did was go around his opened door, he did not attempt to cut the supposed jogger off. the video clearly shows that.

the kid. lol.

well one is the father, so to separate the two family members, it's a kid. I know that's tough for fks like you.

or you could call him son, son. a grown man, older than the human being the "kid" killed. you are despicable

 

[jc456]

..plain and simple:
..he was doing no wrong
..the suspects admit to chasing/blocking/intercepting him--and they admit he even peacefully tried to get away
...they shot him
..he finally was FORCED to stand his ground

I have a slightly different opinion, after seeing the video.

He was doing no wrong by jogging.
They did chase/block/intercept him
I have not read where he "peacefully" tried to get away
He tried to take the shotgun away from one of them, even punched him multiple times
The struggle went on long enough for the person with the handgun to shot many times over, without hitting the shotgun guy, but he did not shoot. The shotgun guy could have shot him several times, but did not. The gun was going off because of the struggle.
At no time did it appear to me that this guy could not have just ran away, given the multiple opportunities for both gunmen to shoot him.
I never once saw him attempt to flee.

Despite the jogger not having a duty to flee, the fact that he didn't when many opportunities presented themselves, indicate that he was not acting out of fear, but out of anger.

Either way, everybody was stupid in this situation.

.

Again, we do not know what was said when he was confronted and if we had a way to know what was said then we would have a very clear reason why the jogger did what he did...

well, we know two guys in a truck with guns, jogger running down the road, and instead of continuing with his jog, ran at the dude out of the truck.