Voter ID: How about this?

[boedicca]

None of that equates to you having supported your assertion that anyone wants to suppress votes. People proving who they are doesn't stop anyone legitimate from voting. No one. And every State that requires ID offers a free ID to vote, so there is no cost. You haven't established anything, you just make a blind accusation.

Are Voter IDs made by elves? Because that is the only possible way they could be "no cost."

Taxpayers pay for "free" Voter IDs, the same way taxpayers pay for "free" roads.

Voter ID costs the taxpayers money. A lot of money. Therefore, you must demonstrate the need to spend that money.

Since Voter ID does not stop fraud, you are wasting taxpayer money. And a lot of time.

That is a lie.

It's a fact. No one has ever provided evidence it stops fraud.

You tards have posted many, many, many examples of voter fraud over the years, and yet NOT ONE of them is able to be stopped or prevented by Voter ID. But for some unfathomable reason, you keep posting examples of poll worker fraud and absentee ballot fraud thinking you are proving we need Voter ID!

It is amazing.

So it is 100 percent FACT that Voter ID does not stop fraud, and you are wasting time and money.

It's 100% fact that Progs are terrified of the prospect that they would no longer be able to swing elections with fraudulent votes if IDs were checked at polling places.

 

[g5000]

You know Democrats are cheating, there is no other reason for you to want it to continue. If fraud were benefiting Republicans instead of you, you'd be setting yourself on fire in Lafayette Park demanding voter ID.

It is Voter ID proponents who want fraud to continue. They are deliberately wasting taxpayer money on a completely ineffective government program. That money could be put to use toward things which would actually stop fraud.

Therefore, it is blazingly obvious Voter ID proponents want fraud to continue. They have wasted money on a government program which allows it to continue unabated.

How do you sleep at night when you advocate the wasting of taxpayer money?

So Jimmy Carter, the Carter Center, the United Nations are all into fraud.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Kiss my ass. Ridiculous.

Can you show me the electoral system is identical to the US in these countries?

Nope. You have never even bothered to find out. You are just parroting a meme you hear that sounded good.

"Because South Africa."

Hey, "ObamaCare, because France."

See how unbelievably retarded that sounds now?

 

[boedicca]

Fraudulent votes can tip elections when the margin is very tight. The point is to have fair elections, bub.

Voter ID won't help there. It is ineffective.

Tell me how many illegal votes would have to be cast to ensure any of these tight Senate races will tip toward the Democrat.

Go ahead. How many?

Pick any Senate race, and tell me how many illegal votes would need to be cast to ensure a Democratic victory.

So sorry that you can't do math for yourself.

Here's a reading suggestion for you:

Basic Math and Pre-Algebra For Dummies Mark Zegarelli 9781118791981 Amazon.com Books

 

[g5000]

None of that equates to you having supported your assertion that anyone wants to suppress votes. People proving who they are doesn't stop anyone legitimate from voting. No one. And every State that requires ID offers a free ID to vote, so there is no cost. You haven't established anything, you just make a blind accusation.

Are Voter IDs made by elves? Because that is the only possible way they could be "no cost."

Taxpayers pay for "free" Voter IDs, the same way taxpayers pay for "free" roads.

Voter ID costs the taxpayers money. A lot of money. Therefore, you must demonstrate the need to spend that money.

Since Voter ID does not stop fraud, you are wasting taxpayer money. And a lot of time.

That is a lie.

It's a fact. No one has ever provided evidence it stops fraud.

You tards have posted many, many, many examples of voter fraud over the years, and yet NOT ONE of them is able to be stopped or prevented by Voter ID. But for some unfathomable reason, you keep posting examples of poll worker fraud and absentee ballot fraud thinking you are proving we need Voter ID!

It is amazing.

So it is 100 percent FACT that Voter ID does not stop fraud, and you are wasting time and money.

It's 100% fact that Progs are terrified of the prospect that they would no longer be able to swing elections with fraudulent votes if IDs were checked at polling places.

You have no evidence, and so you toss out this tired straw man.

Thanks for conceding your loss.

 

[M14 Shooter]

But again, what is the percentage of illegal votes to the total number of voters. Either nation wide or state(s) wide?
It is trying to find a solution to where there is no real problem.

All of what I said is true regardless of any demonstrable issue with voter fraud.

And so, the numbers you ask for are not relevant to the argument.

 

[g5000]

Fraudulent votes can tip elections when the margin is very tight. The point is to have fair elections, bub.

Voter ID won't help there. It is ineffective.

Tell me how many illegal votes would have to be cast to ensure any of these tight Senate races will tip toward the Democrat.

Go ahead. How many?

Pick any Senate race, and tell me how many illegal votes would need to be cast to ensure a Democratic victory.

So sorry that you can't do math for yourself.

Here's a reading suggestion for you:

Basic Math and Pre-Algebra For Dummies Mark Zegarelli 9781118791981 Amazon.com Books

No, you said enough fraudulent votes could swing an election.

Obviously, if you are going to cheat, you need to know AHEAD OF TIME how many illegal votes you have to cast to win.

So go ahead, tell us how many the Democrats will have to cast to win by cheating in any Senate race. Put your fucking brain where your idiotic mouth is.

Let's walk this through.

Tell me how many. Give us a number.

 

[Rikurzhen]

And what do you do with mail in votes, early votes and absentee votes?

Simple - they have to be requested in-person and ID must be shown. No automatic mailings, no email or phone requests for a mailing.

Elections are never snap events, their dates are known long in advance. If someone can't be physically present on election day, they can pick up their ballot in person in the weeks preceding the election.

 

[Kosh]

Many of the far left nations in Europe have voter ID laws, why does the far left not want them here in the US?

We have voter ID laws.

Why is the far left against them in the US, when other far left nations have them?

Who is "the far left"?

I'm not against them. I showed my ID today when I voted. No probs. I think we should copy many ideas from other nations. I'm pleased to see that you agree.

You are the far left (just like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, etc.) and yes you are against it.

You voted twice against it voting for Obama.

Kosh you think anyone who disagrees with you is far left....i believe we have had this dance before.....and LL can be far left but he has also been pretty Moderate at times.....

Wrong! But then again it would not be the first time you have been wrong in this case.

You still think Jake is a Right wing moderate?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

I will give you a hint. Every case of impersonation fraud the Voter ID tards have posted on this forum as evidence we need Voter ID has been absentee ballot fraud. Every single one!.

I don't think so. This doesn't look like absentee ballot fraud to me:

• In 1970, the witness voted at least 10 times, at 10 different polling places, using bogus registration cards. He was part of a crew of five persons, each of whom was paid $40 for the day's activities.
• In the 1972 Democratic primary election, he received a promotion to crew chief, running a crew of five members.
• By 1974, his crew had grown to eight members, each of whom voted in excess of 20 times, and there were approximately 20 other crews operating during that election.
• In 1976, the grand jury witness led a crew of five people who cast at least 100 fraudulent votes.
• Moreover, the same witness had been present at a meeting prior to election day that was "attended by twenty crew chiefs."[21] If the other crews averaged as many fraudulent votes, then there would have been at least 2,000 phony votes cast in that election without detection by precinct poll workers or election officials.
• By 1982, the witness "was to have provided twenty-five workers to vote in a Congressional primary election again using bogus voter registration cards."[22]

Here are the ways we can prevent fraud, which I have advocated on this forum many times:

1. Tighten up voter registration. Our entire system hinges on voter registration being done properly.

2. Purge dead and relocated voters from voter registration rolls. This process needs to be done properly. Some attempts in the past have fucked this up and disenrolled eligible citizens.

3. Use the voting monitoring system being used in several states already. This computerized system monitors for someone voting twice in different precincts and even in different states.

All of these would do far more to prevent fraud than Voter ID. The example you gave would have not happened if voter registration was being done properly.

Voter ID is not necessary. Tightening up the existing system will be far more effective.

You of course realize that Voter ID would negate the need to register right? I mean you show up, you show your ID, if the address says you live in that district and you're eligible to vote . Boom, ,you're registered and can vote.

 

[Nosmo King]

None of that equates to you having supported your assertion that anyone wants to suppress votes. People proving who they are doesn't stop anyone legitimate from voting. No one. And every State that requires ID offers a free ID to vote, so there is no cost. You haven't established anything, you just make a blind accusation.

Are Voter IDs made by elves? Because that is the only possible way they could be "no cost."

Taxpayers pay for "free" Voter IDs, the same way taxpayers pay for "free" roads.

Voter ID costs the taxpayers money. A lot of money. Therefore, you must demonstrate the need to spend that money.

Since Voter ID does not stop fraud, you are wasting taxpayer money. And a lot of time.

That is a lie.

It's a fact. No one has ever provided evidence it stops fraud.

You tards have posted many, many, many examples of voter fraud over the years, and yet NOT ONE of them is able to be stopped or prevented by Voter ID. But for some unfathomable reason, you keep posting examples of poll worker fraud and absentee ballot fraud thinking you are proving we need Voter ID!

It is amazing.

So it is 100 percent FACT that Voter ID does not stop fraud, and you are wasting time and money.

It's 100% fact that Progs are terrified of the prospect that they would no longer be able to swing elections with fraudulent votes if IDs were checked at polling places.

What voter fraud? Where is it? Conservatives are dressing voter suppression in the sheep's clothing of voter fraud, but there is no voter fraud to prevent!

 

[Rikurzhen]

But again, what is the percentage of illegal votes to the total number of voters. Either nation wide or state(s) wide?
It is trying to find a solution to where there is no real problem.

Voter fraud and voter ID is trying to find a solution to a problem that does not exist.

The meaningful exercise of the right to vote is based on the prospective voter being who he says he is and is voting in the right place.
Thus, the state has a compelling interest to verify that the person at the poll is who he says he is.
The least restrictive means to this end is to require a state issue photo ID.

All of this is true regardless of any demonstrable issue with voter fraud.

Fraudulent votes can tip elections when the margin is very tight. The point is to have fair elections, bub.

Election Fraud by illegal infiltrators voting in person ------> Senator Al Franken ------> ObamaCare

 

[g5000]

Here we go. It looks like the closest Senate race is in North Carolina. Hagen and Tillis are tied in the polls.

So how many fraudulent votes would need to be cast to guarantee a win for Hagen?

Give me a number.

 

[boedicca]

And what do you do with mail in votes, early votes and absentee votes?

Here's the complete list of What We Should Do to ensure Voting Integrity:

Recommendations
Federal Policy

1. Require all voters in federal elections to present photographic identification, issued by the federal, state, local, or tribal government, when they vote at their polling place and to send copies of such identification when submitting an absentee ballot. Such ID should be provided free of charge to those who request it for voting purposes.
2. Make all federal databases at the Social Security Administration and the immigration and customs divisions of the Department of Homeland Security available to state election officials to verify the citizenship of registered voters.
3. Require all federal courts to notify state election officials when individuals whose names are drawn from their voter registration rolls are excused from jury duty because they claim they are not U.S. citizens.
4. Amend the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 to allow states to purge individuals who have not voted in two federal elections as long as they have been sent written notice that they will be removed unless they contact election officials within a certain period of time.
5. Sunset the U.S. Election Assistance Commission, a federal agency created in 2002 to administer a one-time grant of federal funds to the states. Having this unneeded federal agency in place will tempt Congress to give it expanded authority to impose federal mandates through federal regulations, which could lead eventually to the complete takeover of the election process by the federal government.
6. Direct the Department of Defense to create voter registration offices on all military installations to provide voting assistance to military personnel and their families, and allow nonpartisan veterans groups to conduct voter registration drives at base commissaries or other public locations on bases.

State Policy

1. Require all voters to present photographic identification, issued by the federal, state, or local government, when they vote at their polling place and to send copies of such identification or their driver’s license number when submitting an absentee ballot. Any individual who does not have identification should be entitled to receive it free from state authorities. Both academic studies and election results show that identification requirements do not depress the turnout of voters, including eligible minority voters. The vast majority of voters of all parties, races, and ethnic backgrounds support such a requirement, which increases public confidence in the integrity of elections.
2. Require all individuals who register to vote to provide documentation establishing that they are U.S. citizens. States have an interest in preventing dilution of the votes of their citizens at the state level and must maintain citizen-only voting rolls for federal elections. When a state issues a driver’s license to a noncitizen who is in the country legally, the license should indicate on its face that the holder is not a U.S. citizen.
3. Require state and local election officials to verify the accuracy of new voter registration information against other available state and federal databases. Section 303 of the Help America Vote Act of 2001 (HAVA) requires states to coordinate their voter registration lists with “other agency databases” and to “verify the accuracy of the information provided on applications for voter registration.” Some election officials are not complying with this law and not verifying new voter registration information against other available databases such as Department of Motor Vehicles driver’s license records and Social Security Administration records. Only by implementing this requirement as a state law can legislators ensure that their state election officials will follow this common-sense requirement.
4. Require individuals who register by mail to vote in person the first time they vote. Section 6 of the National Voter Registration Act allows states to implement such a requirement, although it cannot apply to any voter entitled to vote by absentee ballot or other than in person under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act or the Voting Accessibility of the Elderly and Handicapped Act.
5. Require all individuals who register to vote by mail-in forms, whether mailed back to election officials or hand-delivered by the individual or third-party organizations, to comply with the applicable HAVA provision. HAVA requires persons who register to vote by mail and who have not previously voted in a federal election to provide a copy of certain identification documents when they register or the first time they vote, but some states have interpreted this to apply only to voter registration forms received through the mail and not to such forms delivered through other means.
6. Require that all third-party organizations that conduct voter registration drives put the name of their organization and the volunteer or employee handling each registration on the voter registration form, and require that all completed forms be returned to election officials within 10 days of the date the forms are executed by the voter. This would allow election officials to identify which organization and individual handled voter registration forms that are found to be incomplete or fraudulent and to ensure that completed registration forms are provided to election officials on a timely basis so that they can be properly processed before the state’s pre-election registration deadline.
7. Require all state courts to notify election officials when individuals whose names are drawn from the registration rolls are excused from jury duty because they claim they are not U.S. citizens or no longer live in the jurisdiction. This would allow local election officials to remove ineligible voters and refer them for possible prosecution. Running data comparisons between voter registration addresses and property tax rolls is also recommended to detect individuals who are registering illegally at commercial addresses or vacant lots.
8. Require that each state enter into agreements with other states, especially neighboring states, to compare voter registration lists to find voters who are registered in more than one state. Because there is no national voter registration list, it is relatively easy for individuals to register in more than one state without detection. Such agreements are critical to detecting and deterring double registration and possible double voting.

What is Voter Integrity Policy Facts Recommendations Solutions 2014

 

[g5000]

What voter fraud? Where is it? Conservatives are dressing voter suppression in the sheep's clothing of voter fraud, but there is no voter fraud to prevent!

There definitely is voter fraud. What are you, some kind of idiot?

 

[boedicca]

Here we go. It looks like the closest Senate race is in North Carolina. Hagen and Tillis are tied in the polls.

So how many fraudulent votes would need to be cast to guarantee a win for Hagen?

Give me a number.

Do the math, for yourself, bub. I'm not your internet personal assistant.

 

[Nosmo King]

What voter fraud? Where is it? Conservatives are dressing voter suppression in the sheep's clothing of voter fraud, but there is no voter fraud to prevent!

There definitely is voter fraud. What are you, some kind of idiot?

There may be voter fraud, but not enough to justify voter suppression. If there is fraud in the system, then fix the system. Don't prevent folks from exercising their most fundamental right.

 

[Siete]

I will give you a hint. Every case of impersonation fraud the Voter ID tards have posted on this forum as evidence we need Voter ID has been absentee ballot fraud. Every single one!.

I don't think so. This doesn't look like absentee ballot fraud to me:

• In 1970, the witness voted at least 10 times, at 10 different polling places, using bogus registration cards. He was part of a crew of five persons, each of whom was paid $40 for the day's activities.
• In the 1972 Democratic primary election, he received a promotion to crew chief, running a crew of five members.
• By 1974, his crew had grown to eight members, each of whom voted in excess of 20 times, and there were approximately 20 other crews operating during that election.
• In 1976, the grand jury witness led a crew of five people who cast at least 100 fraudulent votes.
• Moreover, the same witness had been present at a meeting prior to election day that was "attended by twenty crew chiefs."[21] If the other crews averaged as many fraudulent votes, then there would have been at least 2,000 phony votes cast in that election without detection by precinct poll workers or election officials.
• By 1982, the witness "was to have provided twenty-five workers to vote in a Congressional primary election again using bogus voter registration cards."[22]

Here are the ways we can prevent fraud, which I have advocated on this forum many times:

1. Tighten up voter registration. Our entire system hinges on voter registration being done properly.

2. Purge dead and relocated voters from voter registration rolls. This process needs to be done properly. Some attempts in the past have fucked this up and disenrolled eligible citizens.

3. Use the voting monitoring system being used in several states already. This computerized system monitors for someone voting twice in different precincts and even in different states.

All of these would do far more to prevent fraud than Voter ID. The example you gave would have not happened if voter registration was being done properly.

Voter ID is not necessary. Tightening up the existing system will be far more effective.

You of course realize that Voter ID would negate the need to register right? I mean you show up, you show your ID, if the address says you live in that district and you're eligible to vote . Boom, ,you're registered and can vote.

assuming your ID isn't counterfeit ? or do you trust everyone carrying a card?

 

[Kosh]

What voter fraud? Where is it? Conservatives are dressing voter suppression in the sheep's clothing of voter fraud, but there is no voter fraud to prevent!

There definitely is voter fraud. What are you, some kind of idiot?

There may be voter fraud, but not enough to justify voter suppression. If there is fraud in the system, then fix the system. Don't prevent folks from exercising their most fundamental right.

Tell that to anyone who is under 18..

However do not let those far left talking points stand in your way of posting your far left religious scriptures..

 

[M14 Shooter]

You of course realize that Voter ID would negate the need to register right?

Nope. Voter registration exists to make sure people are eligible to vote, that they are give the correct place to vote, and that there's a verifiable list of eligible voters at the poll. All of that needs to be in place before the election.

 

[Rikurzhen]

What voter fraud? Where is it? Conservatives are dressing voter suppression in the sheep's clothing of voter fraud, but there is no voter fraud to prevent!

There definitely is voter fraud. What are you, some kind of idiot?

There may be voter fraud, but not enough to justify voter suppression. If there is fraud in the system, then fix the system. Don't prevent folks from exercising their most fundamental right.

Needing to present ID is not voter suppression. How stupid do you think black people are?