WA School Mistaken: Satan Group Is A Hate Group & Can't Use Campus Therefore

[Silhouette]

I grew up in a hardcore Christian home and community. I can tell you from long sad experience that most Christians do not make the distinction between sin and sinner. All I am is an atheist and 3/4 of my family has not spoken to me for over 20 years. The rest are hateful as hell all because I decided I no longer wanted to attend church three time s a week. Don't try to tell how Christians are, I know how they are when they drop all pretense of public piety.

Your unfortunate and wayward example does not a religion make. I feel sorry for you. I grew up similarly but learned not to hate an entire group just because of the sins of two or three of them against me personally.

Well that's awesome, try calling some of your fellow Christians out for hypocrisy and see how fast they turn on you. My case is far from unique, the number of gay people I have met that can never go home again is far too common. What kind of indoctrination could make anyone turn their backs on their own child?

Don't know. But "gayness" is a behavior, not a state of being. Perhaps those Christians just couldn't bear the stress of seeing their child's behavior destroying their lives.

Death from HIV/AIDS is virtually a given in a sexually-compulsive homosexual's life. Up to 30% of gay males have had sex with over 1,000 men by the time they're in their 30s or so. Up to half of those sexual encounters were anonymous: putting them at the highest risk of any human being to die early from AIDS. Most gay men have been molested as kids and bear wounds that force them to act out sexually and compulsively in many other self destructive ways. Daily watching and even "supporting" your child killing themselves is a serious mind-fuck. Counseling is the answer but few addicts, including sex addicts, ever stay with it long enough for a cure:

ATLANTA [2005 Clinical Psychiatry News] -- Substance abuse is pervasive among gay men and is so intricately intertwined with epidemics of depression, partner abuse, and childhood sexual abuse that adequately addressing one issue requires attention to the others as well, said Ronald Stall, Ph.D., chief of prevention research for the division of HIV/AIDS prevention at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta...

Counselors will often tell family members of other types of addicts to distance themselves too. It's not always about the addict. Families are destroyed by addiction and so they must in the end see to their own sanity and needs. In fact, the addict is often an attention-glutton to the complete exclusion of other family members and their needs. Al-Anon teaches families of addicts to distance themselves more than Christianity does.

 

[JustAnotherNut]

Aren't true 'Satanist' or Satan Worship an actual religion and/or the religious worship of a deity? THAT would fall under the right of access for religious purposes....but this group isn't that by their own admission and so they shouldn't be allowed on campus period. They aren't apart of a religious sect so they can't demand access under religious grounds or freedoms.

I grew up in a hardcore Christian home and community. I can tell you from long sad experience that most Christians do not make the distinction between sin and sinner. All I am is an atheist and 3/4 of my family has not spoken to me for over 20 years. The rest are hateful as hell all because I decided I no longer wanted to attend church three time s a week. Don't try to tell how Christians are, I know how they are when they drop all pretense of public piety.

Your unfortunate and wayward example does not a religion make. I feel sorry for you. I grew up similarly but learned not to hate an entire group just because of the sins of two or three of them against me personally.

Well that's awesome, try calling some of your fellow Christians out for hypocrisy and see how fast they turn on you. My case is far from unique, the gay people I have met that can never go home again is far too common. What kind of indoctrination could make anyone turn their backs on their own child?

and what does that have to do with anything???

 

[OKTexas]

It's great that this group is showing the christian exclusivity behind our so-called religious freedom in America. Everywhere they go they show that Christians only treasure their own religious freedom.

Right, except they guy admitted they are NOT a religion. They just want to give religious people shit.

Religion is not the litmus test though. They have the same right to a group as any other and that includes the christian group and the chess club.

The real test is how successful they are at bringing anyone in their group. It is not a measure of the schools or the laws that this group even exists - it is the measure of how some parents have failed in general. Let them come to my neighborhood and school - my children need someone to show them what idiots look like...

So how many of the students have signed the request?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Just as stupid as a christian club.....

No, Christian clubs don't teach hate of individuals. They teach hatred of sin (an action/verb) but not the sinners (people/noun).

Bullshit X 1000.

Except that it's true x 1000. Christians teach love and extending a hand to the troubled. To hate the sin but not the sinner. It's established fact for thousands of years.

Great comeback by the way. Did you win a lot in your debate club?

You're admitting that religions are merely human inventions.

 

[mdk]

I grew up in a hardcore Christian home and community. I can tell you from long sad experience that most Christians do not make the distinction between sin and sinner. All I am is an atheist and 3/4 of my family has not spoken to me for over 20 years. The rest are hateful as hell all because I decided I no longer wanted to attend church three time s a week. Don't try to tell how Christians are, I know how they are when they drop all pretense of public piety.

Your unfortunate and wayward example does not a religion make. I feel sorry for you. I grew up similarly but learned not to hate an entire group just because of the sins of two or three of them against me personally.

What a laughable load of self-righteous bullshit. You literally invent stories out of thin air just so you can smear gay people. Wild stories. Please don't pretend your obsession is not based off hate b/c you are only fooling yourself.

 

[occupied]

I grew up in a hardcore Christian home and community. I can tell you from long sad experience that most Christians do not make the distinction between sin and sinner. All I am is an atheist and 3/4 of my family has not spoken to me for over 20 years. The rest are hateful as hell all because I decided I no longer wanted to attend church three time s a week. Don't try to tell how Christians are, I know how they are when they drop all pretense of public piety.

Your unfortunate and wayward example does not a religion make. I feel sorry for you. I grew up similarly but learned not to hate an entire group just because of the sins of two or three of them against me personally.

Well that's awesome, try calling some of your fellow Christians out for hypocrisy and see how fast they turn on you. My case is far from unique, the number of gay people I have met that can never go home again is far too common. What kind of indoctrination could make anyone turn their backs on their own child?

Don't know. But "gayness" is a behavior, not a state of being. Perhaps those Christians just couldn't bear the stress of seeing their child's behavior destroying their lives. Counselors will often tell family members of other types of addicts to distance themselves too. It's not always about the addict. Families are destroyed by addiction and so they must in the end see to their own sanity and needs. In fact, the addict is often an attention-glutton to the complete exclusion of other family members and their needs. Al-Anon teaches families of addicts to distance themselves more than Christianity does.

Not going to get into the "homosexuality is choice" thing, but it's never alright to turn your back on your child for how they think, it just isn't.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Once humans get to decide what is or isn't a religion, then religious freedom is gone.

IOW, there is no such thing as religious freedom now.

 

[Silhouette]

You're admitting that religions are merely human inventions.

Hatred of others as a group is for sure a human invention. This group from the OP has admitted their goal is to teach children disdain (hate) for others based on a religious group they belong to. They want to instruct and foment hate for religions in children at school. Like I said, the equivalent would be letting a nazi group on campus to teach children to hate and disdain Judaism (and therefore Jews).

Legally and plainly this is disallowed on any school campus.

 

[Dana7360]

Dontcha just love the newly indoctrinated generation of Millennials? Great work Church of Satan. Wonder what influenced these kids now grown as they were growing up? Twenty guesses and the first 19 don't count.

(numbers mine)
Satanic Temple seeks after-school Satan club in Mount Vernon

The Satanic Temple of Seattle would like to have the program running this school year but needs approval from the school district....A 1991 Supreme Court ruling, Good News Club vs. Milford Central School District, 1. stated that if schools allow any organization to use school property, they must allow all organizations — religious and secular — access, Bruner said....
Claypool said a Centennial parent recently brought the Good News Bible Club’s use of school property to the attention of the Satanic Temple, which has operating in Seattle for about a year and a half, Claypool said.


The parent was concerned about publicly funded spaces being used by the Good News Bible Club, he said.


2. “These children (in the Good News Bible Club), they’re also taught to evangelize to other children,” Claypool said. “(The parent) thought this indoctrination on school grounds was inappropriate.”...
The temple has aspirations to open an After School Satan Club at every school that has a Good News Bible Club, Claypool said.


3. He said the goal aligns with a movement on behalf of Satanic Temples nationwide.


“We’re leveraging equal access,” he said....“We don’t worship a deity,” he said. “We only see Satan as a metaphor for fighting religious tyranny and oppression.”...
“It’s kind of an all-or-nothing deal,” Bruner said. “Do we want to exclude everyone from use of our public facilities just because of this group that’s trying to make a point?”


4. The district will work with its attorney and its School Board to explore how to respond to the application.

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1. This is the premise upon which they launch to gain access to children's minds. (evangelize)

2. Their object is to teach the ways and benefits of the Satanist Church, which is evangelizing. While at the same time they state that evangelizing on school grounds they do not support. Therefore their reason for wanting access to the school is either A. Duplicitous or B. For another reason... (grounds not to allow them there).

3. So they are phony, not representing what they say they are. They even admit that the word "Satan" is an attention-getter; you know, to susceptible and curious children they're trying to rope in (see "evangelize"). The group is a hate group because their stated intent and the intent of the same nationwide where this is going on is to be "fighting religious tyranny and oppression". Straight out of the chute they're declaring they're a group whose sole goal is to impart to children to hate or hold potent disdain in a generalized way for other organized religions. They are a hate group because hating other groups in a generalized way is what KKK does. It's what any bigot does without examining the merits of individuals within that group. And hate groups are not allowed to use schools or other public facilities.

4. Dear district: See #3. There's only one way this group can gain legal access to school campuses, and that is if nazis can hold clubs on school grounds while stating the purpose of those meetings is to teach or otherwise impart disdain or hatred for Judaism.

You're welcome.

So much for religious freedom and our constitution.

You are the people who want religion in schools. Conservatives are the ones who went to court to be able to have religious clubs and prayers said on school grounds and at school functions. Well our constitution says that what one group can do, all groups can do. You brought this on yourselves by your constant forcing your religion on our nation.

You seem to believe everyone is free to follow the religion you agree with and no other.

I'm not a satan worshiper but I'm not christian and don't believe in the idea of a god or a satan.

Just because I don't believe it doesn't mean no one else can either.

That's called FREEDOM.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You're admitting that religions are merely human inventions.

Hatred of others as a group is for sure a human invention. This group from the OP has admitted their goal is to teach children disdain (hate) for others based on a religious group they belong to. They want to instruct and foment hate for religions in children at school. Like I said, the equivalent would be letting a nazi group on campus to teach children to hate and disdain Judaism (and therefore Jews).

Legally and plainly this is disallowed on any school campus.

Who's to say a religion can't teach hate? If your God teaches you to hate, that's part of your religion.

 

[Silhouette]

So much for religious freedom and our constitution.

You are the people who want religion in schools. Conservatives are the ones who went to court to be able to have religious clubs and prayers said on school grounds and at school functions. Well our constitution says that what one group can do, all groups can do. You brought this on yourselves by your constant forcing your religion on our nation.

Yep. Except teaching kids to hate other religions is disallowed on public property. That technicality screwed you and you were the ones pushing for those anti-hate laws. Time to see the chickens coming home to roost...speaking of that...

 

[Silhouette]

Who's to say a religion can't teach hate? If your God teaches you to hate, that's part of your religion.

Nope. Christians teach to hate behaviors, not people doing them. The main edict of Christianity is to hate the behavior the sinner is doing, but not the sinner himself. The group from the OP openly states that their goal is to teach children to hate "the tyranny of religion" while calling themselves a religion "Satanists" who don't actually have anything to do with Satan. They are a fake group who generally want to teach hatred of others as a group "the religious".

Because of those two things, they are not allowed on school grounds.

 

[occupied]

You're admitting that religions are merely human inventions.

Hatred of others as a group is for sure a human invention. This group from the OP has admitted their goal is to teach children disdain (hate) for others based on a religious group they belong to. They want to instruct and foment hate for religions in children at school. Like I said, the equivalent would be letting a nazi group on campus to teach children to hate and disdain Judaism (and therefore Jews).

This group is all about pointing out institutionalized religious intolerance, a form of hatred, since the militant Christians who fought hardest to get their religion in schools and public spaces are the ones who fight hardest against them.

 

[FA_Q2]

Aren't true 'Satanist' or Satan Worship an actual religion and/or the religious worship of a deity? THAT would fall under the right of access for religious purposes....but this group isn't that by their own admission and so they shouldn't be allowed on campus period. They aren't apart of a religious sect so they can't demand access under religious grounds or freedoms.

I grew up in a hardcore Christian home and community. I can tell you from long sad experience that most Christians do not make the distinction between sin and sinner. All I am is an atheist and 3/4 of my family has not spoken to me for over 20 years. The rest are hateful as hell all because I decided I no longer wanted to attend church three time s a week. Don't try to tell how Christians are, I know how they are when they drop all pretense of public piety.

Your unfortunate and wayward example does not a religion make. I feel sorry for you. I grew up similarly but learned not to hate an entire group just because of the sins of two or three of them against me personally.

Well that's awesome, try calling some of your fellow Christians out for hypocrisy and see how fast they turn on you. My case is far from unique, the gay people I have met that can never go home again is far too common. What kind of indoctrination could make anyone turn their backs on their own child?

and what does that have to do with anything???

As was pointed out, access is required for any group regardless of religion. Weather or not they are religious is rather irrelevant - they have the same right of access as the chess club.

 

[FA_Q2]

It's great that this group is showing the christian exclusivity behind our so-called religious freedom in America. Everywhere they go they show that Christians only treasure their own religious freedom.

Right, except they guy admitted they are NOT a religion. They just want to give religious people shit.

Religion is not the litmus test though. They have the same right to a group as any other and that includes the christian group and the chess club.

The real test is how successful they are at bringing anyone in their group. It is not a measure of the schools or the laws that this group even exists - it is the measure of how some parents have failed in general. Let them come to my neighborhood and school - my children need someone to show them what idiots look like...

So how many of the students have signed the request?

Don't know. If the school has a number required (and that makes sense to have) and they are unable to get that many students then they do not have grounds to ask for access IMHO. I cant imagine that they have to many though some are most likely there for the shock factor. It will likely wear thin if, as people should, everyone ignores them and their silly 'message.'

 

[LaDexter]

Satan can never be classified as a "hate" anything since Satan supports the Democrats.

 

[Montrovant]

They certainly have the right to form a club and the right to use school property as any other club is allowed to do. However, since they are stating up front that they really aren't a 'Satan Worshipping group' but are instead forming as a kind of 'fake' Satan Worshipping group to force school districts to either stop giving preferential treatment to religious groups or afford all groups the same treatment, they may have a tough time if it goes to court. I think even a 'fake' SW group should have equal access as it is just a club like any religious group on campus would be, but this MAY be a gray area the court could rule against them.

And you have to admit, it is really almost like a year-round Halloweener group, and the horns look awesome!

That's the milder of the two reasons not to allow them on campus. The more potent is THAT THEY STATED THEY ARE A GROUP THAT TEACHES THE HATRED OR DISDAIN GENERALLY AGAINST ALL OTHER ORGANIZED RELIGION.

Hate groups are not allowed to use school campuses. If this group flies, then nazi groups that teach children the hatred of Judaism must be allowed as well.

To be clear, are you saying that "fighting religious tyranny and oppression" is teaching hatred?

 

[whitehall]

The current reversal of American tradition and respect for religion is enough to make your head spin. A kid can get expelled for carrying a Bible or wearing a Crucifix in public school but satanic garb is debated and considered.

 

[Silhouette]

Satan can never be classified as a "hate" anything since Satan supports the Democrats.

 

[FA_Q2]

They certainly have the right to form a club and the right to use school property as any other club is allowed to do. However, since they are stating up front that they really aren't a 'Satan Worshipping group' but are instead forming as a kind of 'fake' Satan Worshipping group to force school districts to either stop giving preferential treatment to religious groups or afford all groups the same treatment, they may have a tough time if it goes to court. I think even a 'fake' SW group should have equal access as it is just a club like any religious group on campus would be, but this MAY be a gray area the court could rule against them.

And you have to admit, it is really almost like a year-round Halloweener group, and the horns look awesome!

That's the milder of the two reasons not to allow them on campus. The more potent is THAT THEY STATED THEY ARE A GROUP THAT TEACHES THE HATRED OR DISDAIN GENERALLY AGAINST ALL OTHER ORGANIZED RELIGION.

Hate groups are not allowed to use school campuses. If this group flies, then nazi groups that teach children the hatred of Judaism must be allowed as well.

To be clear, are you saying that "fighting religious tyranny and oppression" is teaching hatred?

Why bother? Sil is an open racist here. For an open racist to disparage teaching 'hate' is laughable anyway. There is little reason to feed that particular troll. :/