Walter Cronkite's Ridiculous Spin on the 1968 Tet Offensive in South Vietnam

[mikegriffith1]

I'm seeing several liberal myths about Tet and about the war being repeated in this thread.

Even many liberal scholars now admit that the NVA and the VC suffered a crushing military defeat in Tet. NVA and VC sources confirm this fact. The first documentary that I linked in my previous reply includes an interview with a former VC leader who admitted this.

Saying that Tet was a "strategic victory" for the Communists because they proved they could attack dozens of cities at the same time is like saying that the Battle of the Bulge was a "strategic victory" for Germany because the Germans proved they could still mount a major offensive across a wide front and drive the Allies backward many miles when no one thought this was possible at that point.

And, no, U.S. forces in South Vietnam did not vastly exaggerate the body count. Actually, NVA statistics on their dead and wounded show that our body count was fairly close to the mark. We should also keep in mind that we know that NVA and VC units often under-reported their losses to their higher HQ.

Interested readers can find more info on Tet and the war on my website The Truth About the Vietnam War.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Hanoi Jane Lol! you mean the Woman who had the guts to see first hand what a War crime looks like.

Say that to a Vietnam vet's face. She was a traitor, as are you. Fucking Communist.

 

[Flash]

We were the invaders. Our presence in Vietnam violated the Geneva Agreement of 1954.

You can argue that JFK should have never committed troops to Vietnam and that LBJ should have never escalated the war. Those are valid criticism of US Cold War policy.

However, the US was never an "invader". We were in partnership with the South Vietnam government and other allies in the area and more importantly we never had any objective of conquest. Vietnam was a Cold War proxy war just like Korea and other conflicts of the time.

To put in the most simplistic terms our Cold War objective was the sovereignty of South Vietnam free from Soviet/China Communism influence. We achieved that objective (at great unnecessary cost due to the stupidity of LBJ to fight the war on the enemy's terms) when the Paris Peace Accords were signed. Then the Democrats, aided by a few weak Republicans, gave away the victory.

Democrats always fuck up everything.

 

[Flash]

Vietnam was harmless to us. Germany was not.

Tell that to the Cold War Democrat leadership. JFK felt it was important enough to us to commit troops and military aid. That dufus LBJ thought it was important enough to escalated the war and commit 500,000 troops and a significant amount of resources.

The Democrats got us into one hellva war, didn't they? LBJ was so stupid he thought he could fight the war on the enemy's terms and that caused tens of thousands of unnecessary American deaths.

I was sen to Vietnam in the fall of 1967 due to LBJ's escalation. I was returned home in the spring of 1970 under Nixon's withdrawal of American troops.

Nixon withdrew the American combat troops and took the war to the North and soon they North gave up and signed the Paris Peace Accords that recognized the sovereignty of South Vietnam. That was a victory until the our Democrat idiot once again fucked up and passed the Case Church amendment.

 

[Hector12]

Tell that to the Cold War Democrat leadership. JFK felt it was important enough to us to commit troops and military aid. That dufus LBJ thought it was important enough to escalated the war and commit 500,000 troops and a significant amount of resources.

The Democrats got us into one hellva war, didn't they? LBJ was so stupid he thought he could fight the war on the enemy's terms and that caused tens of thousands of unnecessary American deaths.

I was sen to Vietnam in the fall of 1967 due to LBJ's escalation. I was returned home in the spring of 1970 under Nixon's withdrawal of American troops.

Nixon withdrew the American combat troops and took the war to the North and soon they North gave up and signed the Paris Peace Accords that recognized the sovereignty of South Vietnam. That was a victory until the our Democrat idiot once again fucked up and passed the Case Church amendment.

President's Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon share responsibility for the War in Vietnam. Eisenhower decided not to sign and not to honor the Geneva Agreement of 1954, and to support Ngo Dinh Diem 's dictatorship in South Vietnam. Kennedy moved military advisors to Vietnam. Johnson escalated the War until 500,000 Americans were in South Vietnam. He also began bombing North Vietnam. Nixon prolonged a war we had already lost and did not deserve to win.

 

[Hector12]

You can argue that JFK should have never committed troops to Vietnam and that LBJ should have never escalated the war. Those are valid criticism of US Cold War policy.

However, the US was never an "invader". We were in partnership with the South Vietnam government and other allies in the area and more importantly we never had any objective of conquest. Vietnam was a Cold War proxy war just like Korea and other conflicts of the time.

To put in the most simplistic terms our Cold War objective was the sovereignty of South Vietnam free from Soviet/China Communism influence. We achieved that objective (at great unnecessary cost due to the stupidity of LBJ to fight the war on the enemy's terms) when the Paris Peace Accords were signed. Then the Democrats, aided by a few weak Republicans, gave away the victory.

Democrats always fuck up everything.

Whichever term you use for Americans in South Vietnam, their presence was a violation of the Geneva Agreement of 1954. Moreover, they were fighting against a Vietnamese leader the vast majority of the Vietnamese wanted.

 

[Flash]

President's Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon share responsibility for the War in Vietnam. Eisenhower decided not to sign and not to honor the Geneva Agreement of 1954, and to support Ngo Dinh Diem 's dictatorship in South Vietnam. Kennedy moved military advisors to Vietnam. Johnson escalated the War until 500,000 Americans were in South Vietnam. He also began bombing North Vietnam. Nixon prolonged a war we had already lost and did not deserve to win.

I hear the Leftest assholes try to pull Eisenhower into the war like it is suppose to vindicate those turds JFK and LBJ.

Ike sent a few CIA advisors. However, JFK sent the first uniform American troops over there. In fact the first American soldier killed was James Davis and he was sent there by JFK. Then LBJ did the big escalation based upon the Gulf of Tonkin lie. That was one lying sonofabitch. Upon winning the Presidential election Nixon began to withdraw American troops.

Like I said I was sent over there in late 1967. After serving my year I extended my time for six months. I did other six months extensions. However, after Nixon began the withdrawal they were not accepting any more extensions. I was ready to do home in April of of 1970 but if I had wanted to stay longer I could not have extended again.

 

[Hector12]

No it did not violagte that agreement and one cannot be an invader when invited.

I grow weary trying to push facts into your closed and narrow mind. These are excerpts from the Geneva Agreement of 1954. Read it this time. Read it several times if you need to, until you are aware of what is meant by every syllable.

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The Final Declaration of The Geneva Conference: On Restoring Peace in Indochina, July 21, 1954

Final declaration, dated July 21, 1954, of the Geneva Conference on the problem of restoring peace in Indochina, in which the representatives of Cambodia, the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam, France, Laos, the People's Republic of China, the State of Viet-Nam, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America took part...

4. The Conference takes note of the clauses in the agreement on the cessation of hostilities in Viet-Nam prohibiting the introduction into Viet Nam of foreign troops and military personnel as well as of all kinds of arms and munitions...

5. The Conference takes note of the clauses in the agreement on the cessation of hostilities in Viet-Nam to the effect that no military base at the disposition of a foreign state may be established in the regrouping zones of the two parties..

6. The Conference recognizes that the essential purpose of the agreement relating to Viet-Nam is to settle military questions with a view to ending hostilities and that the military demarcation line should not in any way be interpreted as constituting a political or territorial boundary.

Internet History Sourcebooks: Modern History

 

[Soupnazi630]

That is just a blatant lie, Diem himself said he wouldn't take part in the election as agreed at the Geneva accords, you people use the same technique with the war in Ukraine just lie your heads off its your default position.

1956 in the Vietnam War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

No it is fact in your face and your link does not even dispute it moron.

Minh refused to hold elections and then attacked another nationb

HE was the aggressor

 

[Soupnazi630]

I grow weary trying to push facts into your closed and narrow mind. These are excerpts from the Geneva Agreement of 1954. Read it this time. Read it several times if you need to, until you are aware of what is meant by every syllable.

---------------

The Final Declaration of The Geneva Conference: On Restoring Peace in Indochina, July 21, 1954

Final declaration, dated July 21, 1954, of the Geneva Conference on the problem of restoring peace in Indochina, in which the representatives of Cambodia, the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam, France, Laos, the People's Republic of China, the State of Viet-Nam, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America took part...

4. The Conference takes note of the clauses in the agreement on the cessation of hostilities in Viet-Nam prohibiting the introduction into Viet Nam of foreign troops and military personnel as well as of all kinds of arms and munitions...

5. The Conference takes note of the clauses in the agreement on the cessation of hostilities in Viet-Nam to the effect that no military base at the disposition of a foreign state may be established in the regrouping zones of the two parties..

6. The Conference recognizes that the essential purpose of the agreement relating to Viet-Nam is to settle military questions with a view to ending hostilities and that the military demarcation line should not in any way be interpreted as constituting a political or territorial boundary.

Internet History Sourcebooks: Modern History

You grow weary of failure because that is what you consistently post


Ming invaded another country which we had a treaty with

He violated the geneva aoorcds we did not

Deal witrh it and stop being a bitch

 

[Soupnazi630]

Whichever term you use for Americans in South Vietnam, their presence was a violation of the Geneva Agreement of 1954. Moreover, they were fighting against a Vietnamese leader the vast majority of the Vietnamese wanted.

No it was not liar

That is a peroven bald faced lie

Minh violated that agreement we were in the right defending our treaty ally

 

[Soupnazi630]

It's what they have always done to start wars, problem i have is why so many of the herd believe the bullshit they are fed, i don't believe anything until i have done my own research then i form an opinion.

Yoou do not do research you get programmed you ignore facts and spout ideology

 

[Soupnazi630]

Hanoi Jane Lol! you mean the Woman who had the guts to see first hand what a War crime looks like.

She did not go to south vietnam whicvh is where the communists were commiting those war crimes

 

[Hector12]

No it was not liar

That is a peroven bald faced lie

Minh violated that agreement we were in the right defending our treaty ally

I have already proved how wrong you are. Can't you read?

 

[Soupnazi630]

My view is i don't believe Oswald was involved at all, he was just some fantasist, the same with the Luther King killing and Malcolm X, the Deep State had a Patsy in place to take the wrap, these were and are very dangerous people, Hoover was a Fascist.

That is not a view it is a delusion.

We know for a fact he was involved and killed kennedy. He acted alone.

The same with the man who killed king

X was killed by the nation of Islam.



Hoover was no fascist. Hoover was a complicated guy and corrupt in some ways. But alsoa a great man in other ways. His staunch anti communist position and actions against them was outstanding

 

[Hector12]

My view is i don't believe Oswald was involved at all, he was just some fantasist, the same with the Luther King killing and Malcolm X, the Deep State had a Patsy in place to take the wrap, these were and are very dangerous people, Hoover was a Fascist.

Lee Harvey Oswald's finger prints were on the rifle and bullet shells that killed Kennedy. His hand tested positive on a paraffin test, that proved that he had recently fired a gun. .

 

[GMCGeneral]

You can argue that JFK should have never committed troops to Vietnam and that LBJ should have never escalated the war. Those are valid criticism of US Cold War policy.

However, the US was never an "invader". We were in partnership with the South Vietnam government and other allies in the area and more importantly we never had any objective of conquest. Vietnam was a Cold War proxy war just like Korea and other conflicts of the time.

To put in the most simplistic terms our Cold War objective was the sovereignty of South Vietnam free from Soviet/China Communism influence. We achieved that objective (at great unnecessary cost due to the stupidity of LBJ to fight the war on the enemy's terms) when the Paris Peace Accords were signed. Then the Democrats, aided by a few weak Republicans, gave away the victory.

Democrats always fuck up everyth

You grow weary of failure because that is what you consistently post


Ming invaded another country which we had a treaty with

He violated the geneva aoorcds we did not

Deal witrh it and stop being a bitch

These Leftist piles of dogshit are the same vermin who spat on our troops returning home, calling them baby killers.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Nixon withdrew the American combat troops and took the war to the North and soon they North gave up and signed the Paris Peace Accords that recognized the sovereignty of South Vietnam. That was a victory until the our Democrat idiot once again fucked up and passed the Case Church amendment.

Flash continues to make up history. He is a typical ultra-rightwing partisan liar … who lies about virtually everything.

The Case-Church Amendment was bipartisan (Chase was Republican, Church a Dem.) The Nixon/Kissinger Administration, in power and prosecuting the war since 1969, managed to defeat Case-Church in 1972 but by 1973 it was hopelessly outvoted in Congress by members of BOTH parties:

“[The] amendment passed the United States Congress in June 1973 by a margin of 325–86 in the House, 73–16 in the Senate.[5][6] Both of these margins for the amendment's passage were greater than the two-thirds majority required to override a presidential veto,[5] and Nixon signed it on July 1, 1973.”

—https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case–Church_Amendment

 

[Hector12]

Yoou do not do research you get programmed you ignore facts and spout ideology

You are talking about yourself.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You are talking about yourself.

No buy you do come close rinsing and repeating the same unsupported false claim