War on Men continues - Thousands of men in Michigan alone forced to pay for kids they didn't father

[Michelle420]

Until he can decide in the abortion process, I disagree.

Yup - the father is partially responsible for the pregnancy but the birth is entirely up to the mother. And if she chooses birth over abortion the man is stuck with child support for 18 years.

As long as men have to pay child support they should have a say in the abortion decision.

It's up to the women because men want it that way, if they didn't men would work on changing the law.

There are more men in Politics then women.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Men and Women are both responsible for sex.

Men and Women and both responsible for anything that results from sex.

Men can choose not to have sex.

Women can choose not to have sex.

Both Men and Women know that sex can lead to pregnancy, both know women get to decide what to do, both enter sex knowing.

That is why making responsible partner choices before sex is wise for men and women.

Hey einstein. Men have zero say in the abortion decision. But if the slut UNILATERALLY chooses birth, the father is stuck with child support for 18 years. And to make matters worse the tramp spends the money on herself not the kid!!!

 

[Michelle420]

Men and Women are both responsible for sex.

Men and Women and both responsible for anything that results from sex.

Men can choose not to have sex.

Women can choose not to have sex.

Both Men and Women know that sex can lead to pregnancy, both know women get to decide what to do, both enter sex knowing.

That is why making responsible partner choices before sex is wise for men and women.

Hey einstein. Men have zero say in the abortion decision. But if the slut UNILATERALLY chooses birth, the father is stuck with child support for 18 years. And to make matters worse the tramp spends the money on herself not the kid!!!

Hey Shootspeeders, Men KNOW they have no say in it and still CHOOSE to RISK getting a woman pregnant by having sex with her.

See how that works?

 

[ShootSpeeders]

It's up to the women because men want it that way, if they didn't men would work on changing the law.

There are more men in Politics then women.

There are more females eligible to vote than male. THINK

 

[Michelle420]

It's up to the women because men want it that way, if they didn't men would work on changing the law.

There are more men in Politics then women.

There are more females eligible to vote than male. THINK

Males are in the power house and if they wanted to change laws to make things fair and equal in accountability they would.

 

[Michelle420]

At the end of the day if a man is worried about the consequences he should know and agree with the way the women he chooses to have sex with wants to a handle a pregnancy should one occur.

If he is not wiling to do that knowing she has the power to decide later, then it's his own fault.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

People put themselves in these situations through shear irresponsibility. I don't feel bad for them.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The answer is simple, guys.

Make sure the children cannot leave the judicial district without the judge's written consent. If she does, file a protest in the new district and ask for a large fine and temporary custody of the children until the mother convinces the judge she will do as ordered.

 

[danielpalos]

Women love to falsely accuse a man of fathering their kids figuring he has more money than the real father. Happens every day and feminists encourage it.

Refreshing News State tells Detroit man Pay for child that isn t yours or go to jail

jan 24 2015
Carnell Alexander is a wanted man. The reason? He refuses to pay child support for a child that is proven to not be his. As a result, a warrant has been issued for his arrest.

Alexander says he learned about the paternity case against him during a traffic stop in Detroit in the early 90s. The officer told him he is a deadbeat dad, there was a warrant out for his arrest.
“I knew I didn’t have a child, so I was kind of blown back,” said Alexander during an interview in October.
He would later learn this happened because his ex needed help caring for her kids.
“I put him down as father to get assistance,” she told 7 Action News.
She didn’t realize that would start a paternity case. The state would want to get reimbursement for welfare benefits from the child’s dad.

By the time Carnell learned about the paternity case, judges told him it was too late. Legally he owes the state more than $30 thousand for assistance paid to care for a child.

Carnell refuses to pay. As a result, the warrant was issued for his arrest. He plans to turn himself in on Friday.
“I will go to jail if I have to because I am tired of the mishandling of the case,” said Carnell.
“It’s not right,” said Murray Davis of the National Family Justice Association.

Davis says there are thousands of men in Carnell Alexander’s shoes because Michigan doesn’t have paternity fraud laws that protect men.

When there is evidence a woman mistakenly or purposefully declares the wrong man as husband, it doesn’t necessarily impact paternity obligations.
Davis did a study a few years back that looked at how many of the men who are declared fathers by default in Wayne County are indeed the father. He says DNA tests found 79% of the time they are not.

Why did that person not "lose standing" when:

"She didn’t realize that would start a paternity case. The state would want to get reimbursement for welfare benefits from the child’s dad."

 

[Michelle420]

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Well I agree with you that a father should always be involved.

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I'm not so sure about that. The father has no say in whether the kid is born or aborted so i think the mother should be responsible for the kid unless the father asks to help out.

If you create it, you should pay for it...

Until he can decide in the abortion process, I disagree.

Doesn't matter whether you disagree, if you sleep with a woman already knowing you won't have rights then you go in (excuse the pun) knowing the potential consequences.

If you don't like the laws or consequences then organize to change them, there are more males in congress so why is the law set up to be that way?

Politicians protect gun rights, go to war, etc etc, those men in office could work on changing laws in regards to men rights.

If men cared as much about pregnancy and abortion then they would be active about it.

 

[danielpalos]

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Well I agree with you that a father should always be involved.

I.

I'm not so sure about that. The father has no say in whether the kid is born or aborted so i think the mother should be responsible for the kid unless the father asks to help out.

If you create it, you should pay for it...

Until he can decide in the abortion process, I disagree.

Doesn't matter whether you disagree, if you sleep with a woman already knowing you won't have rights then you go in (excuse the pun) knowing the potential consequences.

If you don't like the laws or consequences then organize to change them, there are more males in congress so why is the law set up to be that way?

Politicians protect gun rights, go to war, etc etc, those men in office could work on changing laws in regards to men rights.

If men cared as much about pregnancy and abortion then they would be active about it.

It is about Due Process in a Paternity Case.

 

[Michelle420]

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Well I agree with you that a father should always be involved.

I.

I'm not so sure about that. The father has no say in whether the kid is born or aborted so i think the mother should be responsible for the kid unless the father asks to help out.

If you create it, you should pay for it...

Until he can decide in the abortion process, I disagree.

Doesn't matter whether you disagree, if you sleep with a woman already knowing you won't have rights then you go in (excuse the pun) knowing the potential consequences.

If you don't like the laws or consequences then organize to change them, there are more males in congress so why is the law set up to be that way?

Politicians protect gun rights, go to war, etc etc, those men in office could work on changing laws in regards to men rights.

If men cared as much about pregnancy and abortion then they would be active about it.

It is about Due Process in a Paternity Case.

As far as the original topic and article goes, I think it's messed up. This guy isn't the father, should not be in jail and shouldn't have to pay.

But the discussion moved past the original topic.

 

[Moonglow]

You can thank Texas for implementing the gotcha law....

 

[danielpalos]

You can thank Texas for implementing the gotcha law....

There is no appeal to ignorance of our own laws. Due Process applies.

 

[Michelle420]

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Well I agree with you that a father should always be involved.

I.

I'm not so sure about that. The father has no say in whether the kid is born or aborted so i think the mother should be responsible for the kid unless the father asks to help out.

Women should be responsible for what goes into their vaginas, and for what comes out.

Then they will be equal.

In this day of highly efficient birth control, there is no excuse for a woman having a baby she cannot support.

Women's movement wanted men obsolete and ball-less, obsolete and ball-less men should have no obligation for the children women have by them.

Women can't have their cake and eat it too.

Likewise there is No Excuse for a man to impregnate a woman knowing full well the consequences he might face.

 

[Michelle420]

I'm not so sure about that. The father has no say in whether the kid is born or aborted so i think the mother should be responsible for the kid unless the father asks to help out.

If you create it, you should pay for it...

It's not that simple. When a woman becomes prego, she should tell the father and if he says he wants the kid aborted and the mother refuses, then the man should have no responsibility for the kid. THINK

This is somewhat misogynistic, but more importantly, it's nonsensical in terms of public policy.

As much as some fathers hate paying the ex every month, the $ belongs to the child and should be paid. If the child's not well cared for, then the solution is to step up and fight for custody, or report to child services.

Failing to pay child support is not acceptable; whatever discussions did or did not take place between the sex partners prior to pregnancy, the one thing we know for sure is that the child didn't ask to be born and doesn't deserve to grow up unsupported.

Not taking care of the children you father should not be acceptable, but it is.

We have run the father's out of the homes, on the way to a dependent welfare state.

That is the way it is now, the sperm donor has little if any responsibility.

Pathetic, but, planned.

Correction in some instances some males refuse to take responsibility.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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Likewise there is No Excuse for a man to impregnate a woman knowing full well the consequences he might face.

Hey einstein. Ever hear of abortion?. That's entirely the woman's choice but if she declines and chooses birth, the man has to pay for the kid!

 

[danielpalos]

Is it "wrong" to get a vasectomy and ask women to have my children?

 

[bodecea]

Just think how much of this would not even be an issue if men kept their pants zipped until they were lawfully married.

 

[bodecea]

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Likewise there is No Excuse for a man to impregnate a woman knowing full well the consequences he might face.

Hey einstein. Ever hear of abortion?. That's entirely the woman's choice but if she declines and chooses birth, the man has to pay for the kid!

Then, he should have kept his pants zipped, right?