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And you're free to GFY. No one suggested it was all about me either. Not so however for many employees and iPhone owners these days. Having to opt out of a "forced arbitration" clause for example is being "forced" to do something to retain your legal rights. Unless one happens to enjoy having to always stay on their toes and then jump through technobabble hoops to stay ahead of whatever nefarious crap Goldman Sachs type lawyers cook up next to screw a bit more out of everyone they possibly can.You're free to list all the things Goldman forced you to sign.
No one suggested it was all about me either
Anyone on this thread forced to sign something by Goldman?
Anyone on this thread in the stock market?No one suggested it was all about me either
Anyone on this thread forced to sign something by Goldman?
And you're free to GFY. No one suggested it was all about me either. Not so however for many employees and iPhone owners these days. Having to opt out of a "forced arbitration" clause for example is being "forced" to do something to retain your legal rights. Unless one happens to enjoy having to always stay on their toes and then jump through technobabble hoops to stay ahead of whatever nefarious crap Goldman Sachs type lawyers cook up next to screw a bit more out of everyone they possibly can.You're free to list all the things Goldman forced you to sign.
No one suggested it was all about me either
Anyone on this thread forced to sign something by Goldman?Anyone on this thread in the stock market?No one suggested it was all about me either
Anyone on this thread forced to sign something by Goldman?
Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
Goldman Sachs controversies - Wikipedia
"Goldman Sachs was charged for repeatedly issuing research reports with extremely inflated financial projections for Exodus Communications and Goldman Sachs was accused of giving Exodus its highest stock rating even though Goldman knew Exodus did not deserve such a rating.[58]
"On July 15, 2003, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and Morgan Stanley were sued for artificially inflating the stock price of RSL Communications by issuing untrue or materially misleading statements in research analyst reports, and paid $3,380,000 for settlement.[59]
"Goldman Sachs is accused of asking for kickback bribes from institutional clients who made large profits flipping stocks which Goldman had intentionally undervalued in initial public offerings it was underwriting.
"Documents under seal in a decade-long lawsuit concerning eToys.com's initial public offering (IPO) in 1999 but released accidentally to the New York Times show that IPOs managed by Goldman were underpriced and that Goldman asked clients able to profit from the prices to increase business with it.
"The clients willingly complied with these demands because they understood it was necessary in order to participate in further such undervalued IPOs.[60] Companies going public and their initial consumer stockholders are both defrauded by this practice.[61]"
And you're free to GFY. No one suggested it was all about me either. Not so however for many employees and iPhone owners these days. Having to opt out of a "forced arbitration" clause for example is being "forced" to do something to retain your legal rights. Unless one happens to enjoy having to always stay on their toes and then jump through technobabble hoops to stay ahead of whatever nefarious crap Goldman Sachs type lawyers cook up next to screw a bit more out of everyone they possibly can.You're free to list all the things Goldman forced you to sign.
No one suggested it was all about me either
Anyone on this thread forced to sign something by Goldman?Anyone on this thread in the stock market?No one suggested it was all about me either
Anyone on this thread forced to sign something by Goldman?
Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
Goldman Sachs controversies - Wikipedia
"Goldman Sachs was charged for repeatedly issuing research reports with extremely inflated financial projections for Exodus Communications and Goldman Sachs was accused of giving Exodus its highest stock rating even though Goldman knew Exodus did not deserve such a rating.[58]
"On July 15, 2003, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and Morgan Stanley were sued for artificially inflating the stock price of RSL Communications by issuing untrue or materially misleading statements in research analyst reports, and paid $3,380,000 for settlement.[59]
"Goldman Sachs is accused of asking for kickback bribes from institutional clients who made large profits flipping stocks which Goldman had intentionally undervalued in initial public offerings it was underwriting.
"Documents under seal in a decade-long lawsuit concerning eToys.com's initial public offering (IPO) in 1999 but released accidentally to the New York Times show that IPOs managed by Goldman were underpriced and that Goldman asked clients able to profit from the prices to increase business with it.
"The clients willingly complied with these demands because they understood it was necessary in order to participate in further such undervalued IPOs.[60] Companies going public and their initial consumer stockholders are both defrauded by this practice.[61]"
Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
No.
Are you having a senior moment?Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
No.
And you're free to GFY. No one suggested it was all about me either. Not so however for many employees and iPhone owners these days. Having to opt out of a "forced arbitration" clause for example is being "forced" to do something to retain your legal rights. Unless one happens to enjoy having to always stay on their toes and then jump through technobabble hoops to stay ahead of whatever nefarious crap Goldman Sachs type lawyers cook up next to screw a bit more out of everyone they possibly can.You're free to list all the things Goldman forced you to sign.
No one suggested it was all about me either
Anyone on this thread forced to sign something by Goldman?Anyone on this thread in the stock market?No one suggested it was all about me either
Anyone on this thread forced to sign something by Goldman?
Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
Goldman Sachs controversies - Wikipedia
"Goldman Sachs was charged for repeatedly issuing research reports with extremely inflated financial projections for Exodus Communications and Goldman Sachs was accused of giving Exodus its highest stock rating even though Goldman knew Exodus did not deserve such a rating.[58]
"On July 15, 2003, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and Morgan Stanley were sued for artificially inflating the stock price of RSL Communications by issuing untrue or materially misleading statements in research analyst reports, and paid $3,380,000 for settlement.[59]
"Goldman Sachs is accused of asking for kickback bribes from institutional clients who made large profits flipping stocks which Goldman had intentionally undervalued in initial public offerings it was underwriting.
"Documents under seal in a decade-long lawsuit concerning eToys.com's initial public offering (IPO) in 1999 but released accidentally to the New York Times show that IPOs managed by Goldman were underpriced and that Goldman asked clients able to profit from the prices to increase business with it.
"The clients willingly complied with these demands because they understood it was necessary in order to participate in further such undervalued IPOs.[60] Companies going public and their initial consumer stockholders are both defrauded by this practice.[61]"
Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
No.Are you having a senior moment?Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
No.
Goldman Sachs controversies - Wikipedia
"A 2016 report by Citizens for Tax Justice stated that 'Goldman Sachs reports having 987 subsidiaries in offshore tax havens, 537 of which are in the Cayman Islands despite not operating a single legitimate office in that country, according to its own website. The group officially holds $28.6 billion offshore.'
"The report also noted several other major U.S. banks and companies use the same tax-avoidance tactics.[62]
"In 2008, Goldman Sachs had an effective tax rate of only 3.8%, down from 34% the year before, and its tax liability decreased to $14 million in 2008, compared to $6 billion in 2007.[63]
"Critics have argued that the reduction in Goldman Sachs's tax rate was achieved by shifting its earnings to subsidiaries in low or no-tax nations, such as the Cayman Islands.[64]"
And you're free to GFY. No one suggested it was all about me either. Not so however for many employees and iPhone owners these days. Having to opt out of a "forced arbitration" clause for example is being "forced" to do something to retain your legal rights. Unless one happens to enjoy having to always stay on their toes and then jump through technobabble hoops to stay ahead of whatever nefarious crap Goldman Sachs type lawyers cook up next to screw a bit more out of everyone they possibly can.
No one suggested it was all about me either
Anyone on this thread forced to sign something by Goldman?Anyone on this thread in the stock market?No one suggested it was all about me either
Anyone on this thread forced to sign something by Goldman?
Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
Goldman Sachs controversies - Wikipedia
"Goldman Sachs was charged for repeatedly issuing research reports with extremely inflated financial projections for Exodus Communications and Goldman Sachs was accused of giving Exodus its highest stock rating even though Goldman knew Exodus did not deserve such a rating.[58]
"On July 15, 2003, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and Morgan Stanley were sued for artificially inflating the stock price of RSL Communications by issuing untrue or materially misleading statements in research analyst reports, and paid $3,380,000 for settlement.[59]
"Goldman Sachs is accused of asking for kickback bribes from institutional clients who made large profits flipping stocks which Goldman had intentionally undervalued in initial public offerings it was underwriting.
"Documents under seal in a decade-long lawsuit concerning eToys.com's initial public offering (IPO) in 1999 but released accidentally to the New York Times show that IPOs managed by Goldman were underpriced and that Goldman asked clients able to profit from the prices to increase business with it.
"The clients willingly complied with these demands because they understood it was necessary in order to participate in further such undervalued IPOs.[60] Companies going public and their initial consumer stockholders are both defrauded by this practice.[61]"
Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
No.Are you having a senior moment?Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
No.
Goldman Sachs controversies - Wikipedia
"A 2016 report by Citizens for Tax Justice stated that 'Goldman Sachs reports having 987 subsidiaries in offshore tax havens, 537 of which are in the Cayman Islands despite not operating a single legitimate office in that country, according to its own website. The group officially holds $28.6 billion offshore.'
"The report also noted several other major U.S. banks and companies use the same tax-avoidance tactics.[62]
"In 2008, Goldman Sachs had an effective tax rate of only 3.8%, down from 34% the year before, and its tax liability decreased to $14 million in 2008, compared to $6 billion in 2007.[63]
"Critics have argued that the reduction in Goldman Sachs's tax rate was achieved by shifting its earnings to subsidiaries in low or no-tax nations, such as the Cayman Islands.[64]"
None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
Are you having a moron moment?
Are you screwed up?None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
Are you having a moron moment?
No one suggested it was all about me either
Anyone on this thread forced to sign something by Goldman?Anyone on this thread in the stock market?No one suggested it was all about me either
Anyone on this thread forced to sign something by Goldman?
Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
Goldman Sachs controversies - Wikipedia
"Goldman Sachs was charged for repeatedly issuing research reports with extremely inflated financial projections for Exodus Communications and Goldman Sachs was accused of giving Exodus its highest stock rating even though Goldman knew Exodus did not deserve such a rating.[58]
"On July 15, 2003, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and Morgan Stanley were sued for artificially inflating the stock price of RSL Communications by issuing untrue or materially misleading statements in research analyst reports, and paid $3,380,000 for settlement.[59]
"Goldman Sachs is accused of asking for kickback bribes from institutional clients who made large profits flipping stocks which Goldman had intentionally undervalued in initial public offerings it was underwriting.
"Documents under seal in a decade-long lawsuit concerning eToys.com's initial public offering (IPO) in 1999 but released accidentally to the New York Times show that IPOs managed by Goldman were underpriced and that Goldman asked clients able to profit from the prices to increase business with it.
"The clients willingly complied with these demands because they understood it was necessary in order to participate in further such undervalued IPOs.[60] Companies going public and their initial consumer stockholders are both defrauded by this practice.[61]"
Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
No.Are you having a senior moment?Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
No.
Goldman Sachs controversies - Wikipedia
"A 2016 report by Citizens for Tax Justice stated that 'Goldman Sachs reports having 987 subsidiaries in offshore tax havens, 537 of which are in the Cayman Islands despite not operating a single legitimate office in that country, according to its own website. The group officially holds $28.6 billion offshore.'
"The report also noted several other major U.S. banks and companies use the same tax-avoidance tactics.[62]
"In 2008, Goldman Sachs had an effective tax rate of only 3.8%, down from 34% the year before, and its tax liability decreased to $14 million in 2008, compared to $6 billion in 2007.[63]
"Critics have argued that the reduction in Goldman Sachs's tax rate was achieved by shifting its earnings to subsidiaries in low or no-tax nations, such as the Cayman Islands.[64]"
None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
Are you having a moron moment?Are you screwed up?None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
Are you having a moron moment?
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I'm unaware of any examples of corporations that don't require government for their existence, are you?Do you have any examples of corporate tyranny that don't employ government?
They could exist without government, but they wouldn't have government looking out for their interests - and they wouldn't have nearly as much power.
It is impossible to diminish the power of corporations without using government, but I don't believe it's possible to shrink government without corporations filling that vacuum.
Unless you're talking about giving corporations a police force and an army, your claim is delusional. Corporations don't have the power to coerce us.
If corporations are created by government, how can they exist without government?They could exist without government, but they wouldn't have government looking out for their interests - and they wouldn't have nearly as much power.
I'm unaware of any examples of corporations that don't require government for their existence, are you?Do you have any examples of corporate tyranny that don't employ government?
They could exist without government, but they wouldn't have government looking out for their interests - and they wouldn't have nearly as much power.
It is impossible to diminish the power of corporations without using government, but I don't believe it's possible to shrink government without corporations filling that vacuum.
Unless you're talking about giving corporations a police force and an army, your claim is delusional. Corporations don't have the power to coerce us.
Depending on you definition of "coerce"Unless you're talking about giving corporations a police force and an army, your claim is delusional. Corporations don't have the power to coerce us.
Anyone on this thread in the stock market?
Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
Goldman Sachs controversies - Wikipedia
"Goldman Sachs was charged for repeatedly issuing research reports with extremely inflated financial projections for Exodus Communications and Goldman Sachs was accused of giving Exodus its highest stock rating even though Goldman knew Exodus did not deserve such a rating.[58]
"On July 15, 2003, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers and Morgan Stanley were sued for artificially inflating the stock price of RSL Communications by issuing untrue or materially misleading statements in research analyst reports, and paid $3,380,000 for settlement.[59]
"Goldman Sachs is accused of asking for kickback bribes from institutional clients who made large profits flipping stocks which Goldman had intentionally undervalued in initial public offerings it was underwriting.
"Documents under seal in a decade-long lawsuit concerning eToys.com's initial public offering (IPO) in 1999 but released accidentally to the New York Times show that IPOs managed by Goldman were underpriced and that Goldman asked clients able to profit from the prices to increase business with it.
"The clients willingly complied with these demands because they understood it was necessary in order to participate in further such undervalued IPOs.[60] Companies going public and their initial consumer stockholders are both defrauded by this practice.[61]"
Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
No.Are you having a senior moment?Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
No.
Goldman Sachs controversies - Wikipedia
"A 2016 report by Citizens for Tax Justice stated that 'Goldman Sachs reports having 987 subsidiaries in offshore tax havens, 537 of which are in the Cayman Islands despite not operating a single legitimate office in that country, according to its own website. The group officially holds $28.6 billion offshore.'
"The report also noted several other major U.S. banks and companies use the same tax-avoidance tactics.[62]
"In 2008, Goldman Sachs had an effective tax rate of only 3.8%, down from 34% the year before, and its tax liability decreased to $14 million in 2008, compared to $6 billion in 2007.[63]
"Critics have argued that the reduction in Goldman Sachs's tax rate was achieved by shifting its earnings to subsidiaries in low or no-tax nations, such as the Cayman Islands.[64]"
None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
Are you having a moron moment?Are you screwed up?None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
Are you having a moron moment?
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I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I'll bet you don't even know what a derivative means.
I'll bet you know what pump and dump means?I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I'll bet you don't even know what a derivative means.
Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
No.Are you having a senior moment?Anyone victimized by GS inflated financial projections?
No.
Goldman Sachs controversies - Wikipedia
"A 2016 report by Citizens for Tax Justice stated that 'Goldman Sachs reports having 987 subsidiaries in offshore tax havens, 537 of which are in the Cayman Islands despite not operating a single legitimate office in that country, according to its own website. The group officially holds $28.6 billion offshore.'
"The report also noted several other major U.S. banks and companies use the same tax-avoidance tactics.[62]
"In 2008, Goldman Sachs had an effective tax rate of only 3.8%, down from 34% the year before, and its tax liability decreased to $14 million in 2008, compared to $6 billion in 2007.[63]
"Critics have argued that the reduction in Goldman Sachs's tax rate was achieved by shifting its earnings to subsidiaries in low or no-tax nations, such as the Cayman Islands.[64]"
None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
Are you having a moron moment?Are you screwed up?None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
Are you having a moron moment?
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I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I'll bet you don't even know what a derivative means.I'll bet you know what pump and dump means?I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I'll bet you don't even know what a derivative means.
The Great American Bubble Machine
"The bank’s unprecedented reach and power have enabled it to turn all of America into a giant pump-and-dump scam, manipulating whole economic sectors for years at a time, moving the dice game as this or that market collapses, and all the time gorging itself on the unseen costs that are breaking families everywhere — high gas prices, rising consumer credit rates, half-eaten pension funds, mass layoffs, future taxes to pay off bailouts.
"All that money that you’re losing, it’s going somewhere, and in both a literal and a figurative sense, Goldman Sachs is where it’s going:
"The bank is a huge, highly sophisticated engine for converting the useful, deployed wealth of society into the least useful, most wasteful and insoluble substance on Earth — pure profit for rich individuals."
Are you having a senior moment?
Goldman Sachs controversies - Wikipedia
"A 2016 report by Citizens for Tax Justice stated that 'Goldman Sachs reports having 987 subsidiaries in offshore tax havens, 537 of which are in the Cayman Islands despite not operating a single legitimate office in that country, according to its own website. The group officially holds $28.6 billion offshore.'
"The report also noted several other major U.S. banks and companies use the same tax-avoidance tactics.[62]
"In 2008, Goldman Sachs had an effective tax rate of only 3.8%, down from 34% the year before, and its tax liability decreased to $14 million in 2008, compared to $6 billion in 2007.[63]
"Critics have argued that the reduction in Goldman Sachs's tax rate was achieved by shifting its earnings to subsidiaries in low or no-tax nations, such as the Cayman Islands.[64]"
None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
Are you having a moron moment?Are you screwed up?None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
Are you having a moron moment?
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I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I'll bet you don't even know what a derivative means.I'll bet you know what pump and dump means?I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I'll bet you don't even know what a derivative means.
The Great American Bubble Machine
"The bank’s unprecedented reach and power have enabled it to turn all of America into a giant pump-and-dump scam, manipulating whole economic sectors for years at a time, moving the dice game as this or that market collapses, and all the time gorging itself on the unseen costs that are breaking families everywhere — high gas prices, rising consumer credit rates, half-eaten pension funds, mass layoffs, future taxes to pay off bailouts.
"All that money that you’re losing, it’s going somewhere, and in both a literal and a figurative sense, Goldman Sachs is where it’s going:
"The bank is a huge, highly sophisticated engine for converting the useful, deployed wealth of society into the least useful, most wasteful and insoluble substance on Earth — pure profit for rich individuals."
"All that money that you’re losing, it’s going somewhere, and in both a literal and a figurative sense, Goldman Sachs is where it’s going:
Hilarious!!
I've never been forced to sign something by Goldman.None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
Are you having a moron moment?Are you screwed up?None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
Are you having a moron moment?
![]()
I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I'll bet you don't even know what a derivative means.I'll bet you know what pump and dump means?I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I'll bet you don't even know what a derivative means.
The Great American Bubble Machine
"The bank’s unprecedented reach and power have enabled it to turn all of America into a giant pump-and-dump scam, manipulating whole economic sectors for years at a time, moving the dice game as this or that market collapses, and all the time gorging itself on the unseen costs that are breaking families everywhere — high gas prices, rising consumer credit rates, half-eaten pension funds, mass layoffs, future taxes to pay off bailouts.
"All that money that you’re losing, it’s going somewhere, and in both a literal and a figurative sense, Goldman Sachs is where it’s going:
"The bank is a huge, highly sophisticated engine for converting the useful, deployed wealth of society into the least useful, most wasteful and insoluble substance on Earth — pure profit for rich individuals."
"All that money that you’re losing, it’s going somewhere, and in both a literal and a figurative sense, Goldman Sachs is where it’s going:
Hilarious!!
I've never been forced to sign something by Goldman.Are you screwed up?
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I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I'll bet you don't even know what a derivative means.I'll bet you know what pump and dump means?I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I'll bet you don't even know what a derivative means.
The Great American Bubble Machine
"The bank’s unprecedented reach and power have enabled it to turn all of America into a giant pump-and-dump scam, manipulating whole economic sectors for years at a time, moving the dice game as this or that market collapses, and all the time gorging itself on the unseen costs that are breaking families everywhere — high gas prices, rising consumer credit rates, half-eaten pension funds, mass layoffs, future taxes to pay off bailouts.
"All that money that you’re losing, it’s going somewhere, and in both a literal and a figurative sense, Goldman Sachs is where it’s going:
"The bank is a huge, highly sophisticated engine for converting the useful, deployed wealth of society into the least useful, most wasteful and insoluble substance on Earth — pure profit for rich individuals."
"All that money that you’re losing, it’s going somewhere, and in both a literal and a figurative sense, Goldman Sachs is where it’s going:
Hilarious!!
None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I've never lost money that's gone to Goldman.
This is not about you, TrumpI've never been forced to sign something by Goldman.
None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I've never lost money that's gone to Goldman
I've never been forced to sign something by Goldman.I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I'll bet you don't even know what a derivative means.I'll bet you know what pump and dump means?I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I'll bet you don't even know what a derivative means.
The Great American Bubble Machine
"The bank’s unprecedented reach and power have enabled it to turn all of America into a giant pump-and-dump scam, manipulating whole economic sectors for years at a time, moving the dice game as this or that market collapses, and all the time gorging itself on the unseen costs that are breaking families everywhere — high gas prices, rising consumer credit rates, half-eaten pension funds, mass layoffs, future taxes to pay off bailouts.
"All that money that you’re losing, it’s going somewhere, and in both a literal and a figurative sense, Goldman Sachs is where it’s going:
"The bank is a huge, highly sophisticated engine for converting the useful, deployed wealth of society into the least useful, most wasteful and insoluble substance on Earth — pure profit for rich individuals."
"All that money that you’re losing, it’s going somewhere, and in both a literal and a figurative sense, Goldman Sachs is where it’s going:
Hilarious!!
None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I've never lost money that's gone to Goldman.This is not about you, TrumpI've never been forced to sign something by Goldman.
None of Goldman's subsidiaries victimized me with financial projections.
I've never been victimized by a Goldman derivative.
I've never lost money that's gone to Goldman
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The Great American Bubble Machine
"Beginning a pattern that would repeat itself over and over again, Goldman got into the investmenttrust game late, then jumped in with both feet and went hogwild.
"The first effort was the Goldman Sachs Trading Corporation; the bank issued a million shares at $100 apiece, bought all those shares with its own money and then sold 90 percent of them to the hungry public at $104.
"The trading corporation then relentlessly bought shares in itself, bidding the price up further and further.
"Eventually it dumped part of its holdings and sponsored a new trust, the Shenandoah Corporation, issuing millions more in shares in that fund — which in turn sponsored yet another trust called the Blue Ridge Corporation.
"In this way, each investment trust served as a front for an endless investment pyramid: Goldman hiding behind Goldman hiding behind Goldman.
"Of the 7,250,000 initial shares of Blue Ridge, 6,250,000 were actually owned by Shenandoah — which, of course, was in large part owned by Goldman Trading."
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